Enigma Digest September 1995 Volume 2 : Issue 9 "REAL SADNESS????" (3 msgs) ? ????????????????????????? (7 msgs) Another Single (2 msgs) a Reintroduction (2 msgs) b'tribe b-tribe (3 msgs) Bass Dance Mixes (4 msgs) Deep forest again (2 msgs) Deep Forest Remix Delirium Enigma-digest V1 #123 Enigma-digest V1 #141 (2 msgs) Enigma-digest V1 #143 (7 msgs) Enigma-digest V1 #144 (8 msgs) Enigma and me Enigma Cds, Regular and Singles Enigma FAQ Enigma in MDR night-program (5 msgs) Enigma singles Enigma sited! (2 msgs) Eyes of Truth, Age of Innocence Fading Shades release info Finding Enigma Singles (was Re: Here I am...) (3 msgs) From PSB List FW: Sadeness Lyrics Gavin Stok (2 msgs) Hello (10 msgs) Hello! Hello, everybody (3 msgs) Hello... Hello there old man... Here I am... (7 msgs) Hi...I'm new :) (3 msgs) Hiya! Homework Homework. How to Put This Delicately... I'm not sure how to word this... (2 msgs) IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT lyrics (3 msgs) Intro Introduction (4 msgs) Introduction, HI THERE!!! Introduction and _MCMXC A.D._ questions (2 msgs) It's... Boney M.! JUST ANOTHER MEMBER-Severino Ramos Karen's request Karen, I do know what you mean Kind of off the subject (2 msgs) Kitaro Concert (3 msgs) Kitaro Concert Date Love you kill you (2 msgs) Magic Best Mark Abdul MCM vs. Cross MDR Me and Enigma Moodswings (4 msgs) My introduction... My presentation (6 msgs) Myself New Album (5 msgs) Newcomer with questions (2 msgs) New Member Introduction New reader (2 msgs) OTFD US Promo question (2 msgs) Personal Ifo Principle of Lust Recent News REVIEW: Belle Epoque by Cretu and Thiers [1988] REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest (7 msgs) S3M's Sandra's children Sarah Brightman saying hello!! Sounds like... (6 msgs) Special Editions!!! (4 msgs) Stone Age (3 msgs) Stone Edge (3 msgs) STOP FOR A MINUTE (7 msgs) Telneting The Eyes of Truth remix - Dub Version (4th track on single) The Real Sadness (3 msgs) The recorded Enigma videos The Scarlet Letter : The Eyes of Truth (4 msgs) UNSUBCRIBE ME Video (2 msgs) Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" (7 msgs) Video by mail overseas - remember the FORMAT difference! Visions of Sadeness LD (4 msgs) Welcome Jon Welcome to enigma Welcome to Vlad What instrument (8 msgs) Where to get .... WWW: Enigma [Now in the U.S.!] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:36:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Resurrected artist Subject: "REAL SADNESS????" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, guys. This is Vlad. I have question to you all. Has anybody ever heard about group called "Real Sadness". This is a list of songs: 1.Nostradamus 2.Magna Charta 3.Gregoria 4.Prayers 5.Physical Motion 6.Ars. Mundi 7.Equinox 8.Trance Dance 9.After one I taped this group about 2 years ago from my friend in Chicago. Since then I've been desperately looking for that CD, but I couldn't find it anywhere (even through on-line cd orders). The whole album is excellent, everything in Enigma style, even first song in list is short version of Enigma's "Sadness". So if anyone can help me.. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:06:36 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: "REAL SADNESS????" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hi, guys. This is Vlad. > I have question to you all. Has anybody ever heard about > group called "Real Sadness". This is a list of songs: > 1.Nostradamus "Sadeness part 1" > 2.Magna Charta "Hymn" > 3.Gregoria "The rhythm" > 4.Prayers "Alleluia" > 5.Physical Motion "Ave Maria" > 6.Ars Mundi "Inquisitio" > 7.Equinox "Amen part II" > 8.Trance Dance "Tales of mystery" (Darkness Version) > 9.After one "Real sadness II" (The Happiness Rap) > You are a lucky guy - accidently I've got the same CD. Where did you get it from??? On the cover I read: "Distributed by bernhard mikulski Schallplatten Vertriebs GmbH". That's a very small german record label! But maybe I'll disappoint you when I say: Real Sadness is not the name of a band but the title of the CD because that album is a sampler containing music that's very similar to Enigma. The songs you've listed are band names. I've added the titles at the top of this mail. Gregoria or Magna Charta may be known to other mailing list members. That's the reason why you've never found the band Real Sadness. And it might become very hard for you to get this CD nowadays; as I told before it was distributed by a small label that was overtaken by a large record company last year - even in Germany it's a problem to get this CD... INGE ******************************************* e-mail: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 18:13:34 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: "REAL SADNESS????" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy. It was written: > Hi, guys. This is Vlad. > I have question to you all. Has anybody ever heard about > group called "Real Sadness". This is a list of songs: [deleted] > > I taped this group about 2 years ago from my friend in Chicago. Since > then I've been desperately looking for that CD, but I couldn't find it > anywhere (even through on-line cd orders). The whole album is excellent, > everything in Enigma style, even first song in list is short version of > Enigma's "Sadness". I too have a tape copy of this album and was offered a CD copy of it (from the US) around a year ago. To answer the queries, "Real Sadness" is not the name of an artist, it is the name of the compilation. The first track by Nostradamus is a cover of Enigma's (not done too badly either) and all the other tracks follow the flavour of mixing Gregorian chant with electronic sounds and beats. Overall, a very nice compilation but I believe it's very hard to find due to the record label it came out on. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) ****************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** Enigma WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:57:32 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jon Kaare Bertheussen Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi there !!! This is my first letter to this mailing-list. Here's some info. name: Jon Kaare Bertheussen age: 24 I first heard Enigma, when the first single came out, but then I didn't like it at all !!! I actually hated it for a few weeks. But I shouldn't thrust my first impressions, because some months later I was sold. I became a die-hard fan and swallowed everything Enigma gave out. It should be mentioned that I have liked Sandra's music from the first record she gave out. The long play-album was actually the first LP I ever bought, after trying to find out for weeks who the person who sang "Maria Magdalena" and "In the heat of the night" was. In my collection of Sandra and Enigma-stuff I have every Sandra-album on CD, incl. the US edition of "Ten on one" called "Everlasting love". I also have 4 cd-singles. In my Enigma-collection I have the first album in "Ltd. edition" and the second in normal. No singles tough. I had one single but I sold it, something I regret today. Other artists that I like is: Jean Michel Jarre, Gandalf, Bad Company, Stevie Ray Vaughan and R.E.M. Normally these days I'm a student, with 2 years left to go. Question: Did Sandra sing or contribute in any other way on the first Enigma-album ??? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 00:37:44 -0700 (PDT) From: kclouser@brutus.bright.net Subject: ? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have in my libirary of enigma music , "The Cross of Changes" , and that is all , I am about to go to a local store and order their other album "MCMXC A.D." (Just the CD) are their any other albums by enigma other than the upcoming Enigma III album? Could I get some comments on the MCXMXC album compared to the cross of changes? Thanx, Ben C. P.S. You can direct mail me if you don't want to use the Echo my e-mail is here. kclouser@brutus.bright.net ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- E-mail: kclouser@brutus.bright.net Date: 08/05/95 Time: 23:33:55 This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 16:38:52 PDT From: kclouser@brutus.bright.net Subject: ????????????????????????? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Which do you think is better , the cross of changes or mcx(I forget the name) I'm about to buy my 2nd album mxc... and I want to know if it is worth the investment. Ben C. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 17:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaysam Thanki Subject: ????????????????????????? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Isnt MCMX..... whatever... a number? what is the number? it might be easier to say 1943 or whatever than mcmxdamc... I'm not being sarcastic.. it oculd be that the authors wanted it to be said that way, or maybe not :) Bye ************************************************ * Jaysam Thanki : JThanki@Ecs.Fullerton.Edu * * CA, USA Jaysam.Thanki@207.sasbbs.com * *****************INTEL INSIDE******************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:29:11 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: ????????????????????????? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 15 Sep 1995 kclouser@brutus.bright.net wrote: > Which do you think is better , the cross of changes or mcx(I > forget the name) I'm about to buy my 2nd album mxc... and I want > to know if it is worth the investment. > Ben C. > > YES!!!!!!!!! It is a definate investment!!!! I was in the same boat as you before i bought mxmc??? I wasn't really sure I would I was going to like it just as much...but as it turns out (other than acouple of songs) i like it even more...I'm big time into Mode music as I call it and this just fit the bill :) I would say, I'm sure you'll find at least one song on it you will like and that song will make it worth the money!!!! Karen... r7nm@unb.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:14:11 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) Subject: ????????????????????????? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Isnt MCMX..... whatever... a number? what is the number? it might be >easier to say 1943 or whatever than mcmxdamc... I'm not being sarcastic.. >it oculd be that the authors wanted it to be said that way, or maybe not :) >Bye MCMXC is roman numerals for 1990. I find that it doesn't make any difference when I'm typing to call it MCMXC or 1990... but when I'm talking to friends about the album, it is definately easier to say 1990 than M-C-M-X-C-A-D. I think the author used MCMXC because it wouldn't be readily understood (how many people today recognize roman numerals as numbers rather than as letter sequences, at least at first glance?). Charles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:43:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: ????????????????????????? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > MCMXC is roman numerals for 1990. I find that it doesn't make any > difference when I'm typing to call it MCMXC or 1990... but when I'm talking > to friends about the album, it is definately easier to say 1990 than > M-C-M-X-C-A-D. I think the author used MCMXC because it wouldn't be readily > understood (how many people today recognize roman numerals as numbers rather > than as letter sequences, at least at first glance?). MCMXCAD are roman numerals, and since gergorian chants (the whole point of the album) are in latin, wouldn't it be appropiate to stick the numbers in latin also??? hmmm.... later. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:32:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Timelord Subject: ????????????????????????? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Jaysam Thanki wrote: > Isnt MCMX..... whatever... a number? what is the number? it might be > easier to say 1943 or whatever than mcmxdamc... I'm not being sarcastic.. > it oculd be that the authors wanted it to be said that way, or maybe not :) > Bye > MCMXC is 1990... and think about it. there's a reason he didn't put "1990" instead of the roman numeral form of it.. which ties in more with the gothic theme of the album?! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 18:55:04 -0700 From: jbroers@ns.net (Jason Broers) Subject: ????????????????????????? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Which do you think is better , the cross of changes or mcx(I >forget the name) I'm about to buy my 2nd album mxc... and I want >to know if it is worth the investment. >Ben C. MXC... is definitely worth the investment. I would have to say that that is my favorite CD of all time. The Cross of Changes just doesn't have the same mood or sound to it, but it's still very good too. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 14:18:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Daniel D. Huckaby" Subject: Another Single To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Wasn't "Carly's Song" a single? That's the only one I have. Daniel Huckaby ddh9281@tam2000.tamu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:25:29 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Another Single To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Wasn't "Carly's Song" a single? That's the only one I have. > Daniel Huckaby > ddh9281@tam2000.tamu.edu > Carly's Song was a single. It's just not one of the better known singles. At the store that I bought it in, they only had the cassette and one import CD. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:33:13 -0700 (MST) From: CWERTZ@cc.weber.edu Subject: a Reintroduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey, fellow fans, My name is Charlie. I've actually been a longtime lurker to this list (since abourt November of '94, anyway). I'm a huge fan of Enigma, Deep Forest, Dao Dezi, Delerium, and similar groups. I also like groups like Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM, and God Lives Underwater. I now attend Weber State University, in Ogden, Utah, where I'm majoring In computer science... I'm 20 years old and in my junior year. I'm also a former radio DJ from southern Utah at Krdc in Dixie College, I'm proud to say my show was the most listened to, and I played a lot of Enigma: ) Well, I'm going to sign off for now... It's good to be back on the list! If anyone want's to tell me about any new Enigma/Deep Forest type of groups, feel free to email me at cwertz@cc.weber.edu (sorry about the typos, my backspace key ain't cooperating...) dixie.edu PS: has anyone heard about a group called Oracle? they're supposed to be a "chant"-based group with electronic music... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:05:43 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: a Reintroduction To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hey, fellow fans, >My name is Charlie. I've actually been a longtime lurker to this list >(since abourt November of '94, anyway). I'm a huge fan of Enigma, Deep >Forest, Dao Dezi, Delerium, and similar groups. I also like groups like >Nine Inch Nails, KMFDM, and God Lives Underwater. I now attend Weber State > University, in Ogden, Utah, where I'm majoring >In computer science... I'm 20 years old and in my junior year. I'm also >a former radio DJ from southern Utah at Krdc in Dixie College, I'm proud >to say my show was the most listened to, and I played a lot of >Enigma: ) Well, I'm going to sign off for now... It's good to be back on the >list! If anyone want's to tell me about any new Enigma/Deep Forest type >of groups, feel free to email me at cwertz@cc.weber.edu >(sorry about the typos, my backspace key ain't cooperating...) > >dixie.edu >PS: has anyone heard about a group called Oracle? > they're supposed to be a "chant"-based group with electronic music... > Hey Charlie, Yes, I have heard of Oracle. They sound cool. Nine Inch Nails is one of the best bands I have ever heard. Trent Reznor rocks! As for Enigma-type music, try B-Tribe and Kitaro. James Roman jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:57:54 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: b'tribe To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Jerry and thanks for the b-tribe info. Just wondering how the album stacks up in comparison to "fiesta fatal". One of my greatest gripes with that album was the amount of repetition and bad mixing. Do the same 'problems' exist on "Suave Suave"??? Cheers, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 00:48:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Valeng Cha Subject: b-tribe To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au b-Tribe rocks! Howdy, enigma and such fans. Just got back from summer vacation. Found out out that my mailbox was FULL of talks about deep forest. Howabout carrying it on to b-tribe. I think there's more talent in b-tribe than in deep forest. Care to debate, anyone? -Valeng Cha ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 21:48:29 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: b-tribe To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Valeng. > Howdy, enigma and such fans. Just got back from summer vacation. > Found out out that my mailbox was FULL of talks about deep forest. > Howabout carrying it on to b-tribe. I think there's more talent in > b-tribe than in deep forest. Care to debate, anyone? If you're comparing "Fiesta Fatal" to "Deep Forest" (or "World Mix") then Deep Forest is heaps better - it is more original in style, less repetitive (although repetitive in parts none the less), and mixed beautifully. Oh, and the art work and logos Deep Forest use are beautiful. Cheers! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 10:20:15 GMT From: harry@pilot4.sc.ti.com (Harry Ahluwalia) Subject: B-Tribe To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi netters, I just got a chance to listen to B-tribe CD "Suave". It is excellent, the music is VERY similar to Enigma and Sandra. What's remarkable is the extent to which B-tribe folks have copied the music from Enigma; same flute, similar chants, and much more. There are a couple of numbers where a lady sings and I know she tries very hard to mimic Sandra. But Sandra fans, she is NOWHERE close to it. Sandra's voice (I am sure you'll agree with me) touches you inside and one can feel every mood she relates to. Nevertheless, B-tribe is good music - I like it because it sounds like Enigma. Does anyone know where they are from ? Are they from Spain ? And do you think they must have consulted Michael Cretu for their music, especially if they are a start up band. I haven't heard their name before, so I ask. Regards, Heminder Ahluwalia. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 19:56:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaysam Thanki Subject: Bass To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all! I had a comment about The Eyes of Truth.. near the end when the parade starts (in the video) the guy who's using those huge drums dont make that much of an impact do they? It's a pity... I would have liked to feel the bass from that drum.. you can only hear it... justa comment.. its a grat piece especially that parade bit.. thump thump.. aaaaaaa thump thump aaaaaaa thump thump aaaaaaaa aaa aa thump thump aaaaa thump thump aaaaaa etc... great amazing! wow.. ************************************************ * Jaysam Thanki : JThanki@Ecs.Fullerton.Edu * * CA, USA Jaysam.Thanki@207.sasbbs.com * *****************INTEL INSIDE******************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 13:41:46 MST From: "Josh Johnson" Subject: Dance Mixes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, Just the other day , I introduced myself. I am now wondering if anyone knows if there is any dance mixes of Return To Innocence available anywhere. my friend told me he heard a very uptemo version of it at a club. Also, just how many mixes are out of Sadeness(part 1) If anyone knows of these things, please feel free to write to me. My address is jjohnson@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us Thanks!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 18:24:46 -0500 From: sb7421@starfish.acs.brockport.edu (Steve Buck) Subject: Dance Mixes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Josh, There is a ep with four remixes of Return To Innocence, that is probably where you friend heard the remix from. Its really a nice ep. --- Steve Buck "We're mild and green And squeaky clean" -Bono ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:36:41 MST From: "Josh Johnson" Subject: Dance Mixes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Thanks for the info on the remixes. I was wondering if you know the track listing or the names of the remixes. I have a CD Single for Return To Innocence which contains the Radio Edit, Long and Alive Version, 380 Midnight Mix, Short Radio Edit, and the Radio Mix of Sadeness(Part 1) Could this be the ep you're referring to? Do you know how many versions there are and where I can find such products? Thanks again!!Josh Johnson San Juan High School 311 N 100 E. Blanding, Utah 84511 "Somewhere, deep in the jungle, are living little men and women.They are, our past, and maybe, maybe they are your future!" Deep Forest" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:10:33 -0500 From: sb7421@starfish.acs.brockport.edu (Steve Buck) Subject: Dance Mixes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Thanks for the info on the remixes. I was wondering if you know the >track listing or the names of the remixes. > I have a CD Single for Return To Innocence which contains the >Radio Edit, Long and Alive Version, 380 Midnight Mix, Short Radio >Edit, and the Radio Mix of Sadeness(Part 1) Could this be the ep >you're referring to? Yes...that is exactly the single I was referring to. I don't know if there are more remixes than that or not though...those are the only ones that I've personally seen. --- Steve Buck "We're mild and green And squeaky clean" -Bono ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:03:24 CET From: "Grebenar Robert" Subject: Deep forest again To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Marta - What a voice Just wanted to tell you some information about her. She's a hungarian singer- woman. I don't know how deep forest found her, but it was a good choice. Her real name is Marta Sebestyen and on the CD she is singing transsilvanian and hungarian folk songs. There's a rock musical (very very famous in Hungary) called 'Istvan a kiraly' (Andrew the king), in which Marta has got serious parts. It's interesting that it's very difficult to me to understand the lyrics of the songs she sings on the CD. They are singed with a very folk (hm folcloristic ? maybe) pronanciation, so I have to listen to the songs more than once. And there are still lines that I'm not able to understand. That was it. I hope you are not angry speaking about Deep Forest, but there are no news about Enigma... McRobert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:44:08 -0300 (ADT) From: Daniel Olivera Subject: Deep forest again To: Grebenar Robert On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Grebenar Robert wrote: > Marta - What a voice > > Just wanted to tell you some information about her. She's a hungarian singer- > woman. I don't know how deep forest found her, but it was a good choice. Her > real name is Marta Sebestyen and on the CD she is singing transsilvanian and > hungarian folk songs. There's a rock musical (very very famous in Hungary) > called 'Istvan a kiraly' (Andrew the king), in which Marta has got serious > parts. > It's interesting that it's very difficult to me to understand the lyrics of > the songs she sings on the CD. They are singed with a very folk > (hm folcloristic ? maybe) pronanciation, so I have to listen to the songs > more than once. And there are still lines that I'm not able to understand. > > That was it. I hope you are not angry speaking about Deep Forest, but there > are no news about Enigma... > > McRobert > > Really interesting your information. I enjoy Boheme very much, especially those songs from Marta. I'd love to have Marta's Song lyrics in hungarian and an english translation. If it is possible, would you mail them to me? It doesn't matter it's not complete. Thank a lot. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:05:48 MST From: "Josh Johnson" Subject: Deep Forest Remix To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello To Everyone, About one and a half years ago, I was listening to the UK Chart Attacks radio program, and I heard Deep Forest's Sweet Lullaby on the radio. This was the first time I had ever heard Deep Forest, and I fell in love with the music. I loved that version of Sweet lullaby, and so I bought the CD, but was dissapointed to find a very slow version of Sweet Lullaby on the album. I am now trying to find out just what version of Sweet Lulaby this is and where I can get it. As far as I know this the info I can provide. It has 99 BPM( Beats Per Minute). I don't know the length. It was number 5 that week on the countdown. Enigma's Return To Innocence was number 2. It's a dance version of Sweet Lullaby, and includes the sample from Sadeness( the Sample being the Drum thing after the initial monk singing). I desperately would like to know what version this is and where I can get it. If anyone knows what version this is , please let me know. Thanks very much!!! Josh Johnson San Juan High School 311 N 100 E. Blanding, Utah 84511 "Somewhere, deep in the jungle, are living little men and women.They are, our past, and maybe, maybe they are your future!" Deep Forest" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 11:53:03 -0700 From: prr@sirius.com (thrifty orbit) Subject: Delirium To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I noticed that Gavin reviewed one of Delirium's Cd's. (And on his rec. I'm going to go out and buy it.) I have another Delirium disc that I might suggest. It's an EP called "Euphoric". Tracks: 1-Euphoric 6:53 2-Decade 5:50 3-Grave Mentor 14:15 4-Sorrow 8:35 As I understand it, Delirium is an offshoot of FrontLine Assembly (Bill Leeb & Rhys Fulber). The first two cuts on this disc are akin to FLA, ie., they sound like something on the Wax Trax label. I don't like them. Tracks 3&4 are deep dark gregorian type dirges that will depress you into a state of beautiful gooey ennui. Grave Mentor begins by dropping you into a ... uh ... one of those underground vaults with dead people in them. The chanting fills the room and raises your blood pressure; there are metal banging samples as you attempt to determine a way out, checking the solidity of the walls. After a few minutes you begin to get worried and the eternal return sequencing begins. Oxygen is low so you try not to expend too much energy, nonetheless you determinedly swirl around trying to get out. After a few more minutes you collapse only to find that you are doomed to live this chain of events over and over. Pretty cool Stuff! Sorrow is a competent sequel. Tho I generally detest the EP format for its unfair depth of dip into the pocketbook, I recommend this disc for those who can afford it and have on occasion rejoiced in the b-side beauty of not to be found elsewhere cool shit. For ten bucks or so you can get 23 minutes of breathtaking depression. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:30:11 -0400 From: jap20@cornell.edu (John Alexandru Purnichescu) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #123 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey what's up yo! >I am crazy about Enigma, otherwise I wouldn't be here. Can anyone who has the "MCMXC a.D. Limited Edition" give a brief review of the extra four tracks. I want to know if it's worth getting my hands on that CD. Any of you guys out there Romanians? If any, then send some email personaly to me or post a message. As you may well know Michael Cretu is romanian and I love listening to his creations. Peace! >Enigma-digest Thursday, 7 September 1995 Volume 01 : Number 123 > >Visions of Sadeness LD >Enigma and me >Re: Visions of Sadeness LD >b-tribe >Re: My introduction... >Enigma in MDR night-program >Re: Visions of Sadeness LD > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >From: Lazlo Nibble >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:51:30 -0600 (MDT) >Subject: Visions of Sadeness LD > >> I got a little more info on the release of the upcoming Enigma laser >> disc. Its called "Visions of Sadeness" and is a rerelease of the >> limited, and extremely hard to find, MCMXC laser disc that came out a >> few years back. U.S. release date is September 31. [...] I preordered it >> for $59.99. > >$60 is mighty steep for a US release. Are you sure this is a US issue, or >is it imported from Japan? > >- -- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) > >------------------------------ > >From: aroy@Euclid.DnE.WVNET.EDU (Abhik Roy) >Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 18:13:44 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Enigma and me > > Hey mangs, >As a new subscriber, I didn't know I'd have a sort of questionarre, but >here it is. My name is Abhik Roy. I just turned 17 but I have skipped my >twelvth grade year and have gone to college. I have the european version >of MCMXCa.D., it is called MCMXCa.D. "The Limited Edition:. It has 4 more >songs than the current American version. I also have Enigma 2, but i don't >like it very much. I think that they have conformed to today's standard of >music. Its weird, but I really don't like the sound as much as the first >one. I usually like to groove to Enigma when I'm in a kind of a mellow >mood, which is most of my life to a point. I also listen to other groovy >artists such as Pink Floyd, Ween, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Babes In Toyland, >Jimi Hemdrix, Sonic Youth, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Dizzy Gillespie, and a couple >others. I first heard Enigma when i was searching through a couple of Sonic >Youth CDs in Camelot. I overheard that crappy store-only music that they >play, and they said that Enigma was coming up. i didn't think much of them >at the time because, frankly, I had never heard of them. So about halfway >through the song, (or what I thought was halfway), my friend tapped me on >the shoulder and told me to listen to this "new age" music. Hesitatingly, I >did, and I found myself liking the song Mea Culpa and a couple months >later, I ended up purchasing the CD. I like to listen to a lot of punk >too, so this was totally different, and it ended up being the only "new >age" group I digged. > > Check You Later, > Abhik Roy > aroy@Euclid.DnE.wvnet.edu > (finger my account and see some > cool stuff listed) > >------------------------------ > >From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) >Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:09:36 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: Re: Visions of Sadeness LD > >> > disc. Its called "Visions of Sadeness" and is a rerelease of the >> > limited, and extremely hard to find, MCMXC laser disc that came out a >> > few years back. U.S. release date is September 31. [...] I preordered it >> > for $59.99. >> >> $60 is mighty steep for a US release. Are you sure this is a US issue, or >> is it imported from Japan? > >I don't know to be honest. I know that its price before markup was like $37.99. >It was listed in a catalog full of domeestic releases, but I guess that doesn't >mean much. Price is steep if, in fact, it is a U.S. release. I suppose I'll >know for sure around the 1st of October. > >MC > >------------------------------ > >From: Valeng Cha >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 00:48:15 -0500 (CDT) >Subject: b-tribe > >b-Tribe rocks! > >Howdy, enigma and such fans. Just got back from summer vacation. >Found out out that my mailbox was FULL of talks about deep forest. >Howabout carrying it on to b-tribe. I think there's more talent in >b-tribe than in deep forest. Care to debate, anyone? > >- -Valeng Cha > > >------------------------------ > >From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 00:27:20 -0700 >Subject: Re: My introduction... > >Hello again!! > >Most of you will remember my introduction to the mailing list a couple of >weeks back. For those of you who didn't see it, it is quoted at the end >of this document. Anyway, I just wanted to update you all as to what is >in my Enigma collection now. > >MCMXC a.D. >The CROSS of Changes >Return to Innocence (import single from Holland with 4 tracks) > >I have a copy of MCMXC a.D. The Limited Edition on order, and it's >probably in the mail to me even as I write this. > >Catch all of you l8r! >Charles > >(buncha text del'ed) >> >>>YOUR HOMEWORK! >>> >>> As a new member of the list I'd love for you to introduce yourself since >>it is >>>a great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your >>>presence. Information you should include are: >>> >>>* Name >> Charles Bonville >> >>>* Age >> 21 years and 2 months >> >>>* What is in your Enigma collection >> Regretably, nothing! Augh! (See next part) >> >>>* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are >> I first heard of Enigma when the Sadeness single was released. I was >>then very recently introduced to more Enigma by a friend who has MCMXCD aD. >>and Cross of Changes. I am a strong fan in the sense that I VERY much want >>to find some copies of their CD's. In fact, I would very much like to get >>my hands on the Limited Edition versions of the albums at just about any >>cost on the small side of $50. Anyone seen a place that's selling these >>albums??? >> >> Why am I such a huge fan? Well, besides the fact that the music is very >>beautiful, I am very "attached" to Return to Innocence. The first time I >>heard it, it became my favorite song. As I listened to it more, I noticed >that >>it gave me the tingly shivers all over. On about the 15th time I heard it, I >>actually broke down into tears... and then laughed, and then cried some more, >>just like the song says. I have never had such an incredible reaction to >music >>before. All this emotion came out of me, and I haven't even seen the video. >>My >>friend told me about the imagery in the video (which was confirmed in the >>Enigma >>FAQ) and I experienced even more emotion when imagining a tree returning to its >>standing state. Anyway, Enigma means a lot to me... It is very spiritual >to me >>and I was not surprised to read in the FAQ that psychically ill people have >>been >>helped by this music. >> >>>* Other artists you like >> Well, that would be a list of many pages... but I do like Erasure, Pet >Shop >>Boys, Information Society, and New Order. If anyone really wants to know >more, >>just ask me! :) >> >>>* What course or job you're doing (if any) >> I am entering my Senior year in college this Fall. I am majoring in >>Computer >>Science and minoring in Writing. My career aspirations are Technical Writing, >>Beta Testing and Documentation, and/or Client Training (teaching people to >>use their >>computers). I could do Computer Programming, too... but it's not really my >>prime interest. >> >>>* Any other interesting information you wish to share >> Nothing else comes to mind, except that I am in Grants Pass, Oregon, USA. >> >>Well, bye for now, >>Charles > > >------------------------------ > >From: quadrig@ibm.net >Date: Wed, 06 Sep 95 18:42:16 +0000 >Subject: Enigma in MDR night-program > >Hi, > >the MDR TV-station broadcasts Enigma-Videos every Sunday early >in the morning. MDR is available in Europe via the ASTRA 1C- >satellite. >In the broadcast I saw, the following Enigma-Videos were looped: > > Mea Culpa > Sadeness > Return To Innocence > The Dream Of The Dolphin > The Eyes Of Truth > The Rivers Of Belief > > >And now the dates for the next weeks: > >* Sunday, 10. Sept. > 04:52 - 05:35 (time in Germany) >* Sunday, 17. Sept. > 04:00 - 05:30 (time in Germany) > > > > >Thomas Eisermann, Quadriga >e-Mail: quadrig@ibm.net > >------------------------------ > >From: Philip Jon Shipley >Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 14:43:39 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: Visions of Sadeness LD > >> >> > > disc. Its called "Visions of Sadeness" and is a rerelease of the >> > > limited, and extremely hard to find, MCMXC laser disc that came out a >> > > few years back. U.S. release date is September 31. [...] I preordered it >> > > for $59.99. >> > >> > $60 is mighty steep for a US release. Are you sure this is a US issue, or >> > is it imported from Japan? >> >> I don't know to be honest. I know that its price before markup was like $37.99 > >------------------------------ > >End of Enigma-digest V1 #123 >**************************** > > ___ >|__ >|___NIGMA DIGEST All queries: Enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 18:20:04 -0500 (CDT) From: "It's me again..." Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #141 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I couldn't be anymore dissappointed with all of this crap about deep forest. I, for one, think that deep forest is a f*&ing great group, and i loved the review, the follow ups were absurd! i was really impressed with the dumb motherfucker who listened to deep forest once (if not the whole way through) and said it was "not good".. if you freaks paid any attention to what the reviwewer said (something along the lines of listening to the album a few time before making judgements) you would realize not to form opininons right away... i dont give a crap about people that flame me... take yer best shot, but i really thought that this list had some people who could discuss music with out passiong false judgement on it first. 00 P.S. -- You're wondering now, what to do. Now you know this is the end. zerozero@paranoia.com http://www.paranoia.com/~zerozero in a forest pitch dark, glows the tiniest spark that burst into a flame ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 10:06:19 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #141 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Okay...first of all I'm going to admitt I didn't read any of the reviews or the comments after (at least I don't remember them :)) But I would like to respond to this letter anyways... Point #1 If your looking for intellectual (sp??) discussion of music...swearing and calling people names is not the way to debate facts and have your thoughts observed as rational and tought out. Point #2 Not all people are going to like the same music as you. It is possible to sometimes not like a song (or in this case album) on first listening. I've listened to _U2_ several times over...and I STILL don't like their music...in you opininon, am I allowed to form an opininon yet???? Point #3 CALM DOWN IT'S JUST A FREAKEN REVIEW NOT THE END OF YOUR LIFE!!!!!!!!!! nuff said... Karen :*) PS: I personally don't think this message should have appeared on this list...(I actually feel bad about responding to it but I felt I needed to get this out of me) I hope in the future if you have a disagree meant with someone's point of view...if you're going to be this rude...send it privately...and if you have something of mature to say...then by all means...share it with all of us (in my opininon at least :)) On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, It's me again... wrote: > I couldn't be anymore dissappointed with all of this crap about deep > forest. I, for one, think that deep forest is a f*&ing great group, and i > loved the review, the follow ups were absurd! i was really impressed with > the dumb motherfucker who listened to deep forest once (if not the whole > way through) and said it was "not good".. if you freaks paid any > attention to what the reviwewer said (something along the lines of > listening to the album a few time before making judgements) you would > realize not to form opininons right away... i dont give a crap about > people that flame me... take yer best shot, but i really thought that > this list had some people who could discuss music with out passiong false > judgement on it first. > > 00 > > P.S. -- You're wondering now, what to do. Now you know this is the end. > > zerozero@paranoia.com http://www.paranoia.com/~zerozero > in a forest pitch dark, > glows the tiniest spark > that burst into a flame > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:38:42 -0400 From: jap20@cornell.edu (John Alexandru Purnichescu) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #143 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au What the heck is wrong with you people! This not a Deep Forest newsgroup. All you talk about is Deep Forest. OK, I don't know the group's stuff that well, but hey, shouldn't this be about Enigma and Michael Cretu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:45:55 -0400 From: Jerry Smith Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #143 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I agree with this thought, I also have seen many people unsubscribing, lets get back to the main theme of this group. At 04:38 PM 26-09-95 -0400, you wrote: >What the heck is wrong with you people! This not a Deep Forest newsgroup. >All you talk about is Deep Forest. OK, I don't know the group's stuff that >well, but hey, shouldn't this be about Enigma and Michael Cretu > > > > Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us The Internet is a passing fad, just like Television. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 19:08:30 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #143 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >What the heck is wrong with you people! This not a Deep Forest newsgroup. >All you talk about is Deep Forest. OK, I don't know the group's stuff that >well, but hey, shouldn't this be about Enigma and Michael Cretu > > > > This person is right. It was only a review, and people have different opinions. Let it lie. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 21:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: ALEXANDERK@wmich.edu Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #143 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au i have been lurking on this group for sometime. watching, reading, feeling, seeing, wondering. the sounds of enigma send me into realms unbeknownst to me then before i heard of this musical talent. i write when i hear MCMXC a.D. or the Cross. the vibes inspire me to scribe what the rich rich tunes and chocolaty covered notes do to my spirit. i share them with the world on the WWW at times. you can catch them there at: http://www.wolfenet.com/~jstarr/poetry/ka/poet_ka.html there is one i wrote while listening to Principles of Lust about a DANCE. you males will enjoy it. see for yourself, then know how ENIGMA should affect you. peacefully, without malace. i doubt the ENIGMA would appreciate knowing that they have this kind of thing going on because of them. Kinda like Einstein, how he felt after he found out what his efforts in the world nuclear physics were taken out of his research context and shuffled off into the hands of madmen! so any way, to you all, peace love and kindness as ENIGMA helps us all to get through this life we have on planet earth. kim a alexander alexanderk@wmich.edu Western Michigan University Kalamazoo, Michigan (the thoughts expressed by me are mine only) > I agree with this thought, I also have seen many people unsubscribing, lets > get back to the main theme of this group. > At 04:38 PM 26-09-95 -0400, you wrote: > >What the heck is wrong with you people! This not a Deep Forest newsgroup. > >All you talk about is Deep Forest. OK, I don't know the group's stuff that > >well, but hey, shouldn't this be about Enigma and Michael Cretu > > > > > > > > > Jerry Smith > jfsmith@ee.net > and > jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us > The Internet is a passing fad, just like Television. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:18:11 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #143 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>What the heck is wrong with you people! This not a Deep Forest newsgroup. >>All you talk about is Deep Forest. OK, I don't know the group's stuff that >>well, but hey, shouldn't this be about Enigma and Michael Cretu It is not a Deep Forest Newsgroup. This is very True! But this mailing list is about wonderful music. Enigma is great, just as is Deep Forest! I really don't think that Enigma or Michael Cretu would think twice about their fans recoginizing good music when they here it. The more the merrier!! Be happy and thankful!!!! You never know, Enigma and Michael may be listening to Deep Forest at this very moment!!!! Forever Keep Smiling, Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, AZ >> >> >> >> > > - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:13:04 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #143 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > What the heck is wrong with you people! This not a Deep Forest newsgroup. > All you talk about is Deep Forest. OK, I don't know the group's stuff that > well, but hey, shouldn't this be about Enigma and Michael Cretu This newsgroup is PRIMARILY about Enigma and the artists within it (Sandra, Michael Cretu, etc.) but encourages discussion on artists which fans of Enigma may also like such as Deep Forest, Delerium, and so on. While I discourage flames as a result of reviews or member's postings, I strongly encourage discussion about any release as long as it's Enigma or Enigma-related. Regards, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** ** ** ENIGMA WWW ** ** (Australiasia): http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ** (United States): http://www.spikes.com/enigma ** *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 05:56:27 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #143 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> > This newsgroup is PRIMARILY about Enigma and the artists within it (Sandra, >Michael Cretu, etc.) but encourages discussion on artists which fans of Enigma >may also like such as Deep Forest, Delerium, and so on. > > While I discourage flames as a result of reviews or member's postings, I >strongly encourage discussion about any release as long as it's Enigma or >Enigma-related. > > >Regards, > >Gavin Stok >(Enigma Mailing List President) Dear Gavin, Your doing a great job as President of this Mailing List! Thank you for your response!!!!!!! Happy Listening!!!!! Sincerely, Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phoenix, AZ, USA > >*********************************************************************** >** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** >** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** >** ** >** ENIGMA WWW ** >** (Australiasia): http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** >** (United States): http://www.spikes.com/enigma ** >*********************************************************************** - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:37:57 +0100 From: cb4cda@isis.sunderland.ac.uk (Charles.Davis) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Erm...is it just me, or is Kim A Alexander a loony? Another point, you can't just log on to a news group and moan about the topic of conversation - the thing with conversations is that they EVOLVE. Deep Forest became a point for discussion within this group many moths ago. I myself am A fan of both groups (Enigma CD's - 11, Deep Forest CD's - 5) but let's face it, when all questions that have been posed have been answered, then people will talk about other things...give 'em a chance, or if you can't - shut up, as indeed I should...Bye! Jez. (Dolphin on certain talkers) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:06:56 +0100 From: cb4cda@isis.sunderland.ac.uk (Charles.Davis) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Erm...this is gonna sound like another exceptionally sad request for information, but does anyone know where in Britain (or indeed, the world) I can get hold of the singles "Principles of Lust" & "Rivers of Belief", coz they're the only ones I don't have. Oh, and the Limited Edition version of The Cross of Changes - coz I was daft enough not to buy it when I saw it in a shop - can you blame me, we ALL know how 'limited' MCMXC a.D. was don't we?! (By the way, I've got MCMXC a.D. with the holographic cover and Data, Alpha, Mambo on it and YOU havenae!! - MUAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!...*grin* see ya all again... Jez -------------couldn't be bothered to design a gimicky bottom bit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:20:47 +0100 From: cb4cda@isis.sunderland.ac.uk (Charles.Davis) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au One more thing - I personally have never heard a more touching and moving song than 'Twosome' from 'Boheme' (yup - that's Deep Forest again...*snigger*). Seriously though, what more can I say, it sends shivers down my spine, and up again, sometimes they come right out of my shoulders...deep eh? (spot the pun?) ta ta... Jez. p.s. - That Marta eh? - What a voice! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:05:05 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >Erm...this is gonna sound like another exceptionally sad request for information, but does anyone know where in Britain (or indeed, the world) I can get hold of the singles "Principles of Lust" & "Rivers of Belief", coz they're the only ones I don't have. Oh, and the Limited Edition version of The Cross of Changes - coz I was daft enough not to buy it when I saw it in a shop - can you blame me, we ALL know how 'limited' MCMXC a.D. was don't we?! (By the way, I've got MCMXC a.D. with the holographic cover and Data, Alpha, Mambo on it and YOU havenae!! - MUAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!...*grin* > > see ya all again... > > > Jez > > >-------------couldn't be bothered to design a gimicky bottom bit. > Jez, On the WWW, there are some music stores that may have what you're looking for. They are CDNow, CDEurope, and CDConnection. I ordered Principles of Lust from CDEurope last night. They also have the limited MCMXC. However, it's cheaper in CDNow. They may or may not have Rivers of Belief. James jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:46:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Echols Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > we?! (By the way, I've got MCMXC a.D. with the holographic cover and Data, > Alpha, Mambo on it and YOU havenae!! - MUAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!...*grin* > > I would just like to say...I HATE YOU!!!!! ( Just kidding :) P.S. BUT...I do have a misprint Data, Alpha, Mambo.....Hehehehe ...not to boast, but I felt we needed a bit of levity on here... :) - Jason ( home of the fragmented mind ) Echols ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: ALEXANDERK@wmich.edu Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Erm...is it just me, or is Kim A Alexander a loony? so would you like to define "Loony" for me dear? Or at least to keep your definition of me within the context of the statement i made? That would be only fair i think so that the readers of this group can see WHY you think i am a loony relative to my comments! i just think that it was really senseless to argue like that over a review. Know that my statement was INDEED a part of the evolution of the discussions relative to the group and other groups that may be discussed on this digest. i agree with you that this group discourse evolves, or SHOULD evolve and know that evolution is a function of diversity! and mutations! why can't i log on to a newsgroup and make a comment eh? I lurk ok. on many newgroups....This one was getting out of control with complaints, over and over and over again about the same thing and others were growing weary over it. so if you will please just be open minded and think about others, in that every one has an opinion, lets just hope that those opinions will lead to some "postitive" growth for the Enigma Digest! Exponentially.....postitive growth...! > Another point, you can't just log on to a news group and moan about the topic of conversation - the thing with conversations is that they EVOLVE. Deep Forest became a point for discussion within this group many moths ago. I myself am A fan of both groups (Enigma CD's - 11, Deep Forest CD's - 5) but let's face it, when all questions that have been posed have been answered, then people will talk about other things...give 'em a chance, or if you can't - shut up, as indeed I should...Bye! > Jez. (Dolphin on certain talkers) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:02:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ALEXANDERK@wmich.edu Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > we?! (By the way, I've got MCMXC a.D. with the holographic cover and Data, > > Alpha, Mambo on it and YOU havenae!! - MUAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!...*grin* > > > > I would just like to say...I HATE YOU!!!!! ( Just kidding :) > P.S. BUT...I do have a misprint Data, Alpha, Mambo.....Hehehehe > ...not to boast, but I felt we needed a bit of levity on here... :) > - Jason ( home of the fragmented mind ) Echols fragmented mind eh? interesting. does enigma help it to come together for you? they do for me.......... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:06:22 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #144 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Erm...is it just me, or is Kim A Alexander a loony? > >Another point, you can't just log on to a news group and moan about the >topic of conversation - the thing with conversations is that they EVOLVE. >Deep Forest became a point for discussion within this group many moths >ago. I myself am A fan of both groups (Enigma CD's - 11, Deep Forest CD's >- 5) but let's face it, when all questions that have been posed have been >answered, then people will talk about other things...give 'em a chance, or >if you can't - shut up, as indeed I should...Bye! > Jez. (Dolphin on certain talkers) Jez, I completely agree!!!!! Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phx., AZ, USA - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 18:13:44 -0400 (EDT) From: aroy@Euclid.DnE.WVNET.EDU (Abhik Roy) Subject: Enigma and me To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey mangs, As a new subscriber, I didn't know I'd have a sort of questionarre, but here it is. My name is Abhik Roy. I just turned 17 but I have skipped my twelvth grade year and have gone to college. I have the european version of MCMXCa.D., it is called MCMXCa.D. "The Limited Edition:. It has 4 more songs than the current American version. I also have Enigma 2, but i don't like it very much. I think that they have conformed to today's standard of music. Its weird, but I really don't like the sound as much as the first one. I usually like to groove to Enigma when I'm in a kind of a mellow mood, which is most of my life to a point. I also listen to other groovy artists such as Pink Floyd, Ween, Smashing Pumpkins, Beck, Babes In Toyland, Jimi Hemdrix, Sonic Youth, Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Dizzy Gillespie, and a couple others. I first heard Enigma when i was searching through a couple of Sonic Youth CDs in Camelot. I overheard that crappy store-only music that they play, and they said that Enigma was coming up. i didn't think much of them at the time because, frankly, I had never heard of them. So about halfway through the song, (or what I thought was halfway), my friend tapped me on the shoulder and told me to listen to this "new age" music. Hesitatingly, I did, and I found myself liking the song Mea Culpa and a couple months later, I ended up purchasing the CD. I like to listen to a lot of punk too, so this was totally different, and it ended up being the only "new age" group I digged. Check You Later, Abhik Roy aroy@Euclid.DnE.wvnet.edu (finger my account and see some cool stuff listed) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:21:51 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: Enigma Cds, Regular and Singles To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au To all Enigma and Sandra fans: I live in Los Angeles and I know a variety of stores where I can get the regular Cds and sometimes I came across the singles of Sandra and Enigma. If anybody wants to buy through me , I'll be happy to buy them for you. We can negotiate by money order or check. Soon I'll be able also to get the copies of the video "Vision of Sadness". Let me know what's your pleasure. E-mail to severo@pacificnet.net SEVERO form L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 17:59:03 -0500 (CDT) From: James Esposito Subject: Enigma FAQ To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Dear Sirs, Please send me a copy of the new Enigma FAQ.... GREATLY APPRECIATED! Sincerel,y James Esposito Fan since MCMXC a.D. -- ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** ********** ********** ********** James Anthony Esposito ********** ********** Esposito@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu ********** ********** ********** ********** (Opinions expressed are my own and nobody elses!) ********** ********** ********** ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 95 18:42:16 +0000 From: quadrig@ibm.net Subject: Enigma in MDR night-program To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, the MDR TV-station broadcasts Enigma-Videos every Sunday early in the morning. MDR is available in Europe via the ASTRA 1C- satellite. In the broadcast I saw, the following Enigma-Videos were looped: Mea Culpa Sadeness Return To Innocence The Dream Of The Dolphin The Eyes Of Truth The Rivers Of Belief And now the dates for the next weeks: * Sunday, 10. Sept. 04:52 - 05:35 (time in Germany) * Sunday, 17. Sept. 04:00 - 05:30 (time in Germany) Thomas Eisermann, Quadriga e-Mail: quadrig@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:16:34 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: Enigma in MDR night-program To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > the MDR TV-station broadcasts Enigma-Videos every Sunday early > in the morning. MDR is available in Europe via the ASTRA 1C- > satellite. > In the broadcast I saw, the following Enigma-Videos were looped: > > Mea Culpa > Sadeness > Return To Innocence > The Dream Of The Dolphin > The Eyes Of Truth > The Rivers Of Belief > HEY WHAT'S THIS ?!?!?!?? I'm from lowly ole Canada (and from the boonies of it as well) and I've only ever see the videos for Return to Innocence, The Dream Of The Dolphin (I think??), and The Eyes of Truth. Could somebody please discribe the other videos for me...PLEASE...or better yet tell me if there is any way of viewing these in Canada ?? Karen Sullivan | "We're on our own, Cousin. | All alone, Cousin. r7nm@unb.ca | Let's think of a game to play," | Now the grown-ups have all gone away" - The Who's "Tommy" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:32:34 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) Subject: Enigma in MDR night-program To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >HEY WHAT'S THIS ?!?!?!?? I'm from lowly ole Canada (and from the >boonies of it as well) and I've only ever see the videos for Return to >Innocence, The Dream Of The Dolphin (I think??), and The Eyes of Truth. >Could somebody please discribe the other videos for me...PLEASE...or >better yet tell me if there is any way of viewing these in Canada ?? Well, there are descriptions of the videos in the FAQ. Go to the web site that was listed in the introductory message from when you first joined the mailing list. I have my own request... Does anyone in the U.S. or Canada have a videotape that they've recorded any of the Enigma videos to? I don't even have MTV, so I have *never* seen an Enigma video. I'm even willing to cover the cost of the tape and shipping if someone would copy their videotape for me. Thanks, Charles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 15:02:33 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: Enigma in MDR night-program To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>HEY WHAT'S THIS ?!?!?!?? I'm from lowly ole Canada (and from the >>boonies of it as well) and I've only ever see the videos for Return to >>Innocence, The Dream Of The Dolphin (I think??), and The Eyes of Truth. >>Could somebody please discribe the other videos for me...PLEASE...or >>better yet tell me if there is any way of viewing these in Canada ?? Well, Karen, the possibility to receive programmes from ASTRA satellite in Canada is - let me see - in a scale from 1 to 100 - I would say at 0. :-( So here's my suggestion for a solution of your problem: On next Sunday I record that special MDR night programm feat. Enigma; then I'll send a copy of that video tape to you. :-) (If you can live with a mono sound recording.) ... and this offer also goes to all other Enigma mailing list members. BUT: Please only ask me for it when you absolutely have no chance to get Enigma videos in another ways; I'm not able to make hundreds of copies ... and I don't want to become a case for the copyright laws ... The costs for p&p and the tape will possibly be at $15. How to handle the overseas payment I don't know yet. Just send me a mail if you're interested in a copy of the MDR Enigma video tape; when I know how many copies are needed I'll tell you more details. Bye for now, INGE ******************************************* e-mail: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 19:26:08 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: Enigma in MDR night-program To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Sorry, sorry, but Inge's forgotton to state the video tape formats: The tape itselves is VHS; the TV-standard is PAL and there's absolutely no way to make a copy in NTSC 'cause the only standard in Europe is - PAL. INGE ******************************************* e-mail: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:57:58 -0500 (CDT) From: djbarke@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Daniel Barker) Subject: Enigma singles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Please forgive me for paraphrasing the "quotes") > I usually find Enigma singles in Specs > I think Borders exists in most major cities, but I'm not sure >> I purchased the Age of Loneliness single at Walmart Thank you for the response. I am not familiar with either Specs or Borders but then I don't live in a major city. I do most of my CD shopping in Best Buy or Target. I'll have to stop by the local Wally-World to check out their selection. >I would suggest telneting CD Connection first.... I'm sorry but I am new on the Internet....how does one go about telneting? I like to see what CDC has... Thanks, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 00:22:52 -0700 From: Vernon L Brooks Jr Subject: Enigma sited! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 02:59 PM 9/29/95 -0400, you wrote: >_SUBJECTS_ > >just thought I'd pass this on. > > >I was watching tv last night and the music from the "Eyes of Truth" >was used in the background to the movie trailer for "A Scarlet >Letter" starring Demi More, et al. It is due 13th of october. I dunno >if the song will be in the movie or not. I saw that!! I really hope that Enigma is involved in the soundtrack for that movie, as it looks really interesting.... ------- Vernon L Brooks Jr Trixx@ix.netcom.com StereoWhiz@megaweb.com ***http://www.geopages.com/TimesSquare/1606/ Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown Speaker Rattling In My Door... Have you been to #caraudio or #insoc lately? In LasVegas, try #edgeconnection. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:20:39 -0400 From: Altrusian1@aol.com Subject: Enigma sited! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I too heard Enigma's piece "Eyes of the Truth, in the trailer for the movie SCARLET LETTER. When I went to see the movie HACKERS last weekend they showed a preview that movie Scarlet Letter. It was so cool. I hope the movie SLIVER is not the only movie where they will contribute music to. -Altrusian1, Houston, Texas. (USA) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:39:12 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) Subject: Eyes of Truth, Age of Innocence To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Everyone! I have 2, count 'em, 2 interesting things to tell you about. 1) I have added the U.S. release of the Age of Innocence single. It has 5 tracks, including a radio edit, 2 dance edits, the original from Cross of Changes, and a remix of Principles of Lust (Find Love). 2) In the long movie intro for the upcoming movie The Scarlet Letter, starring Demi Moore, much of the first few minutes uses the song Eyes of Truth from the Cross of Changes album. As I write this I am reminded of when Sadeness was used in the movie Single White Female for a dance club scene. I would imagine that a lot of people have heard Enigma, they just didn't take the time to find out who did the music. Enigma _should_ be much more popular than it is, but, alas, becoming *really* well known has "spoiled" so many artists, perhaps it's better that Enigma remains a little bit in obscurity (at least in the States). Peace to all, Charles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 95 14:25:55 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Fading Shades release info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, Here's the official "Fading Shades" release info from Virgin Germany. Translated from German by Robin Wessels -------------------------------------------------------------------------- SANDRA FADING SHADES The walls of her house say a lot. Full with gold and platinum records from the whole world, this are the milestones of an uncomparable carreer. Between them lots of awards and prices show her big celebraty. But in stead of speaking about her carreer and succes she prefers speaking about the last three years and a half, about her selfchosen pause from musicbusiness, that the internationally most succesfull German popsinger gave herself after her latest album "Greatest Hits". "I found it very important to draw myself back after ten turbulent years with big successes, I wanted to spend more time with my family and my husband; spending the day on the beach, to idle or riding my horse. Just thinking more about me and not being on the road for 300 days a year." But Sandra, who only of her debut single "Maria Magdalena" (1985) sold over 5 million copies, and with "In the heat of the night", "Everlasting love", or "Secret land" big singlehits had, and with her 7 until now released albums sold a total amount of over 10 million copies, was surely not doing nothing. The last months she used for recording her newest album "Fading Shades" at the studio in her house on Ibiza. And what for the artist and her artistic- and life-partner Michael Cretu much more joyful is : In July they're expecting their offspring. "When we knew it'll be twins the joy was doubled. Michael always wished to have twins, so for him a dream came true." Because of her pregnancy, the recording sessions went a bit different as they used to be. The charming singer describes this experience as very usefull : "Since I was at the time of the recordings pregnant for six months, there was a big pressure on my diafragm. It takes a lot of air away, so I had to sit when I was singing. I didn't expect it would be this good." Sandra's voice sounds on "Fading Shades" even more powerfull, more leading and sensuous then before. The most important changes in her life have made a positive influence on her songs' attraction. Take the sensitive cover of the Moody Blues' classic "Nights in white satin" (the first single), the musically intrusive "Tell me more", the mystic - atmospheric "Invisible shelter" or the Spartan instrumentated ballad "Will you whisper", Sandra's new emotionality has very much been used. Not to forget "First lullaby", Sandra's personal gift to her children. "Klaus Hirschburger wrote the lyrics for this song. His words made Michael and me weep. I think this is the most beautiful song on the album." It's almost needless to notice that with Sandra's husband Michael Cretu again all musical currents came together. With familiar profession and an extreme precision he went to work. New is this time the support of a colleague of his. Succes producer Cretu took guitar player Jens Gad in the studio. the resident of Muenchen [RW : one of the major German cities] had supported Cretu's far most succesful project Enigma as guitar player and remixer before. "When Michael asked him to write songs for me he was totally taken over by the idea. This enthusiasm infected all of us" remembers Sandra. "Fading Shades" shows again Sandra's feeling for accessible melodies, fascinating songs and tender interludes. That at the same time artistic approach and commercial touch can be in harmony had the in Saarland [RW : the German province in wich her birthtown Saarbruecken is situated] born singer proved already in history. With "Fading Shades" also the future belongs to her. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin Wessels 1995 Enschede Nl -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robin R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 16:00:56 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (William Bonville) Subject: Finding Enigma Singles (was Re: Here I am...) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (buncha text del'ed) >Well I hope this isn't too long. Has anybody else not been able to find the >Enigma singles in stores? Does anybody have any ideas on how I might be able >to obtain them? Well, believe it or not, I recently purchased (a week ago) the Age of Loneliness single in, of all places, Walmart! I agree that it seems that Enigma albums and especially singles are hard to find in the States through conventional channels. I ordered MCMXC a.D., The CROSS of Changes, and the Return to Innocence single (Holland import) from CD Connection in Sunnyvale, CA. CDC's prices are quite reasonable, in fact. I purchased MCMXC for $13.36, CROSS for $13.95, and R. to I. for $10.49 (hey, it's imported!). The shipping/handling was $2.49 Oh, if you were wondering, Walmart sold the A. of L. single for $5.96 and wanted $16.98 for CROSS! Go figure why they priced it so high. You can telnet to CDC at cdconnection.com (199.35.15.2). I would suggest telneting first and finding all the part numbers for the albums and videos you want. Then, I would call (408)985-8982 (14400 8-N-1) to actually place the order with your credit card. (That way you get the instant-order speed advantage without having to put your card-numbers over the Internet, and you can keep your long-distance down by calling direct only when actually ready to place your order.) Well, I think I've said more than I had planned on... Hope this helps. Charles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam N. Cimand" Subject: Finding Enigma Singles (was Re: Here I am...) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, William Bonville wrote: > I agree that it seems that > Enigma albums and especially singles are hard to find in the States through > conventional channels. I ordered MCMXC a.D., The CROSS of Changes, and the > Return to Innocence single (Holland import) from CD Connection in Sunnyvale, CA. > > CDC's prices are quite reasonable, in fact. I purchased MCMXC for $13.36, > CROSS for $13.95, and R. to I. for $10.49 (hey, it's imported!). The > shipping/handling was $2.49 Oh, if you were wondering, Walmart sold the A. > of L. single for $5.96 and wanted $16.98 for CROSS! Go figure why they > priced it so high. > > You can telnet to CDC at cdconnection.com (199.35.15.2). Also, you can try http://www.cdnow.com. A friend of mine bought an Enigma import from there (one I already have), but I don't remember the shipping charge. The prices were normal. In the 13.98 to 15.98 per regular CD, imports for about $12.98. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:46:20 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) Subject: Finding Enigma Singles (was Re: Here I am...) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Also, you can try http://www.cdnow.com. A friend of mine bought an >Enigma import from there (one I already have), but I don't remember the >shipping charge. The prices were normal. In the 13.98 to 15.98 per >regular CD, imports for about $12.98. You can also try musicexpress.com and... and... there's one other that escapes my memory at the moment. Charles (a.k.a William because of a shared account and an incorrect configuration when I sent the previous message) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Sep 1995 10:04:38 U From: "zzAntezana, Luis" Subject: From PSB List To: "Enigma List" I read this in the Pet Shop Boys mailing list: (other stuff deleted) There was a hit earlier this year by a group from Mexico (or so was marketed here) called Gala. They were good but all their stuff was copied from another. It was a mix of Enigma, Deep Forest with samples of Madonna (Bye Bye Baby) and the Boys. They even use Neil's "I love it" from Rent in their song Cosmos. (rest deleted) I haven't heard mention of this group here - anybody heard of them? Lucky Lou >From Seattle Remixer for Evolution Remix Service F3E@aol.com for more info Factor 3 Remix Service Eurodisque Remix Service ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 19:00:23 EST From: Scott Gallaher Subject: FW: Sadeness Lyrics To: Enigma Digest Requests Greetings, I got the lyrics to Sadeness off of the homepage, but was wondering if there is a place I can find the English Translation to them. Thanks, Scott -------- Scotto@cdc.net http://www.geopages.com/WestHollywood/1371/ "I love men, not for what unites them, but for what divides them, and I want to know most of all what gnaws at their hearts." Guillaume Apollinaire (1880-1918) "I love men for their cute butts, upon which I would like to place my hand for a lovely little pat." Ceace Duchene (1957 - ????) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 95 17:35 EST From: Scott Choden <0007320518@mcimail.com> Subject: Gavin Stok To: enigma Gavin, Keep up the good work...no matter what criticism I might read within this forum, you have a great attitude and do what you can to initiate topics of discussion...be it Enigma directly or some other similar group. I wish I had more time to devote to writing something that's worth some discussion...perhaps in the near future. In the meantime, I think hearing about these other groups that "are similar to Enigma" is worth reading about. I walk into Best Buy each weekend and look to see "what can I buy that would be a tad different than the norm and be a true surprise?"...Enigma has been the last that was discovered that met that criteria. What's as equally impressive to me is that I am reading those as young as teenagers who LOVE Enigma...and I was worried there after hearing punk rock, etc., that today's youth lost the meaning of what music really is all about... I was wrong in that assumption...gosh, there's hope for the world, yet! Also amazing to me is that people in 1995 are first discovering Enigma! I think this reflects the timeless nature of their music, much like one could say about groups like Pink Floyd. BTW, has anyone else initially felt Enigma had a Alan Parsons quality to it? (atleast the early Alan Parsons?). I highly recommend his first release: Edgar Allen Poe/Tales of Mystery and Imagination...especially the second side. Another "unique" sound and concept...some you may recall... David Wayne's Musical Version of War Of The Worlds (Richard Burton, David Essex, Justin Hayward...)... Other albums I consider "concept" or "unique" albums: Yes - Fragile Heart - Dog & Butterfly (also noted for it's sonic quality) Planet P Project - Pink World Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (and then some more) I'll probably think of some more later... Again, keep up the great work Gavin...maybe I'll get my Mother to write ya! Scott Choden 72764.2402@compuserve.com 4098737@mcimail.com SChoden559@aol.com SChoden@megaweb.com 7320518@mcimail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:33:02 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Gavin Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Scott Choden writes, > >Keep up the good work...no matter what criticism I might read within this >forum, you have a great attitude and do what you can to initiate topics >of discussion...be it Enigma directly or some other similar group. > Rachelle Hamblin writes, Ditto to this statement!!!!! Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin angelmac@amug.org Phoenix, Arizona, USA > >Scott Choden >72764.2402@compuserve.com >4098737@mcimail.com >SChoden559@aol.com >SChoden@megaweb.com > >7320518@mcimail.com - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 95 16:32 EST From: Scott Choden <0007320518@mcimail.com> Subject: Hello To: enigma Most of you are making me feel really OLD...I want to also say "Hello" here in discussion of Enigma. My name is Scott Choden, 35 years old, an Engineer for MCI Telecommunications at their switch lab in Richardson, Texas. My roots start in St Louis, MO and I'm a University of Missouri-Columbia alumni (or is that alumnus?). Enigma caught my attention from...my 65 year old mother in St Louis who got turned on to Enigma from my eldest sister, 49, who works at Washington University. From the sounds of it, my father has a crush on Sandra! Don't be surprised by a 65 year old woman loving Enigma...she turned me on to Pink Floyd in the early '70's and almost was in tears when Pink Floyd cancelled their concert tour date in St Louis and I was to take her there for her 65 year birthday. Enigma to me is unique...intelligent, refined and diverse. I have both CROSS of Changes and MCMXC a.D. I also bought Sandra's Everlasting CD but was unimpressed and gave it to my father...that's when his crush really took hold. CROSS is my favorite of the two and I look forward to Enigma's next release (whenever, and hopefully soon!). My own musical tastes range from the '70's progressive rock era, including Pink Floyd, Yes, Supertramp, Fleetwood Mac...continuing on to Tears For Fears first release and currently mishmashed with some New Age material from Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Ray Lynch, and David Arkenstone. Some classical, including Holst, "The Planets". Wonder if anyone can help me locate (and have info on the background of) Startled Insects: Curse of the Pheromones. This sounded incredibly like David Gilmour/Pink Floyd. Unfortunately both Polygram and Antilles labels are out of print. Thanks for your ears, er...eyes... Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 20:40:08 -0500 (CDT) From: "Daniel D. Huckaby" Subject: Hello To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'm a new member. This is my first posting. Daniel Huckaby Age 19 I have MCMXC a.D. and Enigma 2: The Cross of Changes (both on cassette, all the LPs, EPs, singles, etc. in my collection of 300 are cassettes...despite the fact that they are becoming harder and harder to find). I also have the cassette single "Carly's Song" from Sliver. I learned of Enigma when I was living in Switzerland (Feb.-July 1991). I saw both Mea Culpa and Sadeness videos there. MTV Europe is so far above and beyond the music capabilities of the pointless MTV USA it's unreal. Would any of my good VJ buddies from '91 still be around? I listen to music about 12-14 hours a day. There is a wide variety, but a lot of synthesized (and instrumental) music from Europe...particularly Britain. Does any of that qualify as Enigma-related. Is it possible to obtain here in the U.S. through this mailing list perhaps European music (particularly French which is virtually impossible to find) which can be found rarely. I am a sophomore meteorology student at Texas A&M University in College Station, Texas in the United States. Great web page...one of the best I've ever seen. That's where I found out about this list. I also learned the hard to catch lyrics of Mea Culpa (French is a second language for me. Distinguishing the words for someone who's ear is trained to hear "southern" American English can be at times difficult. I found living in Belgium and Switzerland for a few years.) I also learned from that page that Sadeness was released before Mea Culpa. I never would have guessed that. I was confused since I arrived in Lausanne in Feb. of '91. I hope I didn't write too much, but I am very excited about learning more about one of favorite European bands. Also, I am a member of the Al Stewart mailing list also of which I am the youngest member. Am I here as well (dob 1/22/76)? Thank you, Daniel Huckaby ddh9281@tam2000.tamu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:40:48 MST From: "Josh Johnson" Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au To Mr. Huckaby, You are not the youngest member of the mailing list. I am 14 years old and my date of birth is Nov. 8, 1980. I am not sure if there is anyone younger. I enjoy Deep Forest, and Enigma, and many other American bands, and European Bands. See Ya! Josh Johnson San Juan High School 311 N 100 E. Blanding, Utah 84511 "Somewhere, deep in the jungle, are living little men and women.They are, our past, and maybe, maybe they are your future!" Deep Forest" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: kclouser@brutus.bright.net Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Whoa!!! Cool , I thought Everyone on here was 19-30 or somthin , thanx 4 lettin me feel normal!! So What Albums do you have? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: ALEXANDERK@wmich.edu Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Whoa!!! Cool , I thought Everyone on here was 19-30 or > somthin , thanx 4 lettin me feel normal!! So What Albums do you > have? > Ben Yeah....I am 42, look 31 and feel 29!!!! life is grand isn't it? especially when one enjoys ENIGMA!!!!!!! :) kim the technobrat in the zoo! (and ambient too) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 00:07:53 -0400 From: Jerry Smith Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Ben, I have the following: MCMXC a.D. The Cross opf Changes, Enigma 2 The Eyes of Truth, U.S Version The Eyes of Truth, U. K. Version (I think) Age of Loneliness, U. S. Version Age of Loneliness U. K. Version Out from the Deep Return to Innocence My Sandra Collection Everlasting Love 18 Greatest Hits Nights in White Satin Fading Shades Related: Sliver Sound Track Boxing Helena Sound track I find that normal is self perception, but so is reality. At 08:43 PM 27-09-95 -0700, you wrote: > Whoa!!! Cool , I thought Everyone on here was 19-30 or >somthin , thanx 4 lettin me feel normal!! So What Albums do you >have? > >Ben > > Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us The Internet is a passing fad, just like Television. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 08:23:33 -0400 From: MartinS384@aol.com Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au This is quite interesting... although a bit humorous for this old guy! I see conversations from people ranging from 14 yrs old to who knows what age. Obviously, Enigma draws the interest of a wide variety of ages, for soon, I will cross over into my 50's and Enigma is music that indeed lifts my mind on the wings of fantasy and imagination! Keep up the mail. I enjoy seeing the wide variety of people explore music and comment on various groups. Regards Martin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:07:30 -0400 From: MKohn@aol.com Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Don't despair, I've already passed into my 50's and enjoy music ranging from Enigma to Boy George to the classics and jazz!. I can still my father telling me that rock and roll was only a fad!!!! Best wishes, Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:09:37 -0400 From: Jerry Smith Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Michael, Rock and Rock was a fad, just like television. At 07:07 PM 28-09-95 -0400, you wrote: >Don't despair, I've already passed into my 50's and enjoy music ranging from >Enigma to Boy George to the classics and jazz!. > >I can still my father telling me that rock and roll was only a fad!!!! > >Best wishes, Michael > > Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us The Internet is a passing fad, just like Television. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:35:03 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Hello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Don't despair, I've already passed into my 50's and enjoy music ranging from >Enigma to Boy George to the classics and jazz!. > >I can still my father telling me that rock and roll was only a fad!!!! > >Best wishes, Michael Michael, You are totally cool!!!!! A man of great taste!!!!! There are not many older people that appreciate the music that this generation offers. Stay Cool!!!!!! and Happy Listening!!!!!! Sincerely, Rachelle L. Hamblin - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Sep 1995 00:13:37 -0800 From: john@betterbagel.com (John G. Ingram) Subject: Hello! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Greetings from Mountain View, California. I am a new subscriber to the Enigma mailing list. As asked to do so, please allow me to introduce myself... My name is John Ingram (but of course, you've guessed that by now) and I'm 28 years old. I first heard of Enigma on the car radio while vacationing in Florida several years ago. Of course it was Principles of Lust. I swear that song changed my life. I'm really into emotional music anyway, but that song almost brought me to a high that I thought only controlled substances could do! :-) That evening I purchased the CD. My mom and I found an employee at the hotel who had a CD player and we listened to the entire CD. The next day we went back to the store and my mom bought a copy for her and three others for some of her friends. I have both I & II and I like them both in very different ways. To me, they are both excellent music to, um, well, let's say, listen to while in bed...if you know what I mean. The music of Enigma intensifies that already wonderful feeling. I'm a bit ashamed to say that I don't know that much about Enigma, except for the fact that I LOVE THEIR MUSIC. Other musical favorites of mine are Enya, music from Cirque du Soleil, Depeche Mode, Erasure, Bette Midler, Patsy Cline and great dance music...although I have a very extensive variety in taste of music. I look forward to touring around the Enigma home pages and FTP sites. Peace. John "The Bagel Boy" Ingram - Mountain View, California *********************************************************** bagelboy@best.com * Find love within yourself, john@betterbagel.com * then those around you will http://www.best.com/~bagelboy * be easier to love. :-) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 09:25:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Resurrected artist Subject: Hello, everybody To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > As a new member of the list I'd love to introduce myself: * Name Vladimir Olenichev * Age 20 * What is in your Enigma collection I own 3 albums of Enigma: MCMXC a.D. The Cross of Changes Magic Best, 1994 I have also 1 album by Sandra * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are My first experience with Enigma was about 5 years ago when I lived in my native country Russia. Russian TV at that time showed Euro Top 20 every week, and I saw Enigma's "Sadness" at the first time it got in top 20. Since then, I love everything what Enigma does. * Other artists you like I like almost everything from 80's eurodisco style, like Modern Talking, Bad Boys Blue, Sandra, Cretu(of course), Blue System Savage, C.C.Catch, Joy, Silent Circle and etc. I'm in techno too. So basically I'm electronical music fan. * What course or job you're doing (if any) Right now, I'm student at the Univ. of MD, studying something:) don't know yet, and work part time as computer technician. * Any other interesting information you wish to share Beside school and work, I spend my time listening music, going to clubs, and attending wild russian parties, yeehhh:) Well, I guess, that's about it I can think about myself. Thank you very much for your attention. Nice meeting with you all guys. See ya. Vlad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 00:02:51 +0000 From: quadrig@ibm.net Subject: Hello, everybody To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> As a new member of the list I'd love to introduce myself: > >* Name > Vladimir Olenichev > >* Age > 20 >* What is in your Enigma collection > I own 3 albums of Enigma: MCMXC a.D. > The Cross of Changes > Magic Best, 1994 Hey, what's "Magic Best"? I know only 2 Enigma albums! > I have also 1 album by Sandra >* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are > My first experience with Enigma was about 5 years ago when I lived > in my native country Russia. Russian TV at that time showed Euro > Top 20 every week, and I saw Enigma's "Sadness" at the first time > it got in top 20. Since then, I love everything what Enigma does. >* Other artists you like > I like almost everything from 80's eurodisco style, like Modern > Talking, Bad Boys Blue, Sandra, Cretu(of course), Blue System > Savage, C.C.Catch, Joy, Silent Circle and etc. I'm in techno too. > So basically I'm electronical music fan. >* What course or job you're doing (if any) > Right now, I'm student at the Univ. of MD, studying something:) > don't know yet, and work part time as computer technician. >* Any other interesting information you wish to share > Beside school and work, I spend my time listening music, going to > clubs, and attending wild russian parties, yeehhh:) > >Well, I guess, that's about it I can think about myself. >Thank you very much for your attention. >Nice meeting with you all guys. >See ya. >Vlad. Thomas Eisermann, Quadriga (Berlin/Germany) e-Mail: quadrig@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "S. Jeffrey" Subject: Hello, everybody To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Has anyone heard of Magic Best? Is this Enigma or something like? Zok jeffrey2@muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 00:31:35 -0500 (CDT) From: geoghegan michael pa Subject: Hello... To: Enigma My name's Michael Geoghegan, but that's too long so just refer to me as Michael or Mike or whatever else you feel like. I'm 18. My collection only consists of The Cross of Changes and like Dan Barker I knew nothing of any Enigma singles. I first heard Sadeness Part I, an excellent song, off the radio when it first came out. It's also where I heard Return To Innocence and learned of their second release. Really I couldn't tell you how much of a fan of Enigma I am except that I love the music and hope that more will come. I'll only name a few because the entire list would just be too damn long. I mainly like Deep Forest, Seal, Stone Temple Pilots, Belly, Matthew Sweet, and Dave Matthews Band (awesome songs!). Let me see what else, ohh, I'm a chemical engineering major at the University of Illinois at Urbana - Champaign. I don't really know what else to write so if you have questions e-mail me at geoghega@students.uiuc.edu Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 20:10:06 -0400 From: Jerry Smith Subject: Hello there old man... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Scott, Don't feel bad about being old, I am older than you, but not as old as your mother. I am a Inrernet enigneer out of Columbus, Ohio. Keep the faith. At 04:32 PM 9/15/95 EST, you wrote: >Most of you are making me feel really OLD...I want to also say "Hello" >here in discussion of Enigma. My name is Scott Choden, 35 years old, an >Engineer for MCI Telecommunications at their switch lab in Richardson, Texas. >My roots start in St Louis, MO and I'm a University of Missouri-Columbia >alumni (or is that alumnus?). > >Enigma caught my attention from...my 65 year old mother in St Louis who >got turned on to Enigma from my eldest sister, 49, who works at Washington >University. From the sounds of it, my father has a crush on Sandra! > >Don't be surprised by a 65 year old woman loving Enigma...she turned me on >to Pink Floyd in the early '70's and almost was in tears when Pink Floyd >cancelled their concert tour date in St Louis and I was to take her there >for her 65 year birthday. > >Enigma to me is unique...intelligent, refined and diverse. I have both >CROSS of Changes and MCMXC a.D. I also bought Sandra's Everlasting CD >but was unimpressed and gave it to my father...that's when his crush really >took hold. CROSS is my favorite of the two and I look forward to Enigma's >next release (whenever, and hopefully soon!). > >My own musical tastes range from the '70's progressive rock era, including >Pink Floyd, Yes, Supertramp, Fleetwood Mac...continuing on to Tears For Fears >first release and currently mishmashed with some New Age material from >Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Ray Lynch, and David Arkenstone. Some classical, >including Holst, "The Planets". > >Wonder if anyone can help me locate (and have info on the background of) >Startled Insects: Curse of the Pheromones. This sounded incredibly like >David Gilmour/Pink Floyd. Unfortunately both Polygram and Antilles labels >are out of print. > >Thanks for your ears, er...eyes... > >Scott > > Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us With Windows 95, my PC looks more like a Silicon Graphics System than a MAC !!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:14:56 -0500 (CDT) From: djbarke@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Daniel Barker) Subject: Here I am... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Greetings, fellow Enigma fans I just subscribed to the mailing list and thought I would introduce myself as Gavin suggested. Here I am... Dan Barker (I don't know if you already knew that) 19 years old I own only two recordings, MCM....and The Cross of Changes. (Sorry, I'm not good with Roman Numerals and I'm not looking at the covers right now.) I was not aware that any singles existed until I read the Enigma WWW page because they are not in the stores in my area. I first heard of Enigma through a friend at work. I also like Erasure, Metallica, Creedence Clearwater, Boston, and PM Dawn. Consistency is not one of my strong traits. :) I'm a freshman at Illinois State University (USA) majoring in computer science. If I'm not playing with the Internet then I am probably riding my bicycle around or drinking beer somewhere. Before becoming a full-time student I unloaded trucks for Target Stores and decided I didn't want to make a career of it. Well I hope this isn't too long. Has anybody else not been able to find the Enigma singles in stores? Does anybody have any ideas on how I might be able to obtain them? Thanks for your time, Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:17:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam N. Cimand" Subject: Here I am... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Daniel Barker wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:14:56 -0500 (CDT) > From: Daniel Barker > To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Subject: Here I am... > > Greetings, fellow Enigma fans > > I just subscribed to the mailing list and thought I would introduce myself as > Gavin suggested. > > Here I am... > > ... > > Has anybody else not been able to find the > Enigma singles in stores? Does anybody have any ideas on how I might be able > to obtain them? I usually find them in Spec's. They don't have a single's section, so the Imports are usually in the regular Engima slot in the Pop/Rock section. If you are next to a Border's Book & Music store, the music section has an import section that has an Egnima section. I think Borders exists in most major cities, but I'm not sure. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 16:19:51 PDT From: kclouser@brutus.bright.net Subject: Here I am... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I've also had problems findind enigma stores , you can order them over the internet , I don't know the address but there are alot of good people on the mailing list so I'm sure they'll get'em for ya. I was wanting to ask you since you have THE CROSS OF CHANGES & , MCM(I forget the rest) I have The Cross of Changes and I'm about to order the CD for 15.99 , my question is , is MCM.. better than Cross of changes? Oh by the way , try going up to the counter of the CD stores and tell them The name of the group (enigma or sandra) and they will use this machine that looks at a thing that looks like a negitive and it has a whole bunch of CD's on it that you can order.:-) ----------------------------------------------------------------- This Letter Was Written by..... 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Oh by the way , try going up >to the counter of the CD stores and tell them The name of the >group (enigma or sandra) and they will use this machine that looks >at a thing that looks like a negitive and it has a whole bunch of >CD's on it that you can order.:-) >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >This Letter Was Written by..... > >BBBBB EEEEEEEE N N >B B E NN N >B B E N N N >BBBBB EEEEEEEE N N N >B B E N N N >B B E N NN >BBBBB EEEEEEEE N N > > > > > Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us With Windows 95, my PC looks more like a Silicon Graphics System than a MAC !!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 15:05:00 -0500 (CDT) From: djbarke@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Daniel Barker) Subject: Here I am... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Marie, How are you doing? You made a good call...not 2 hours ago I found the A of L CD at Circuit City. I'm listening to it as I type. Sounds good so far! My hometown is not Chicago, but Springfield, but that is pretty close considering the range of locations of most people here. :-) What CD's (or cassettes) do you have? Dan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:44:54 +0500 From: mmartin@nhma.noli.com Subject: Here I am... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Dan, I have MCMXC A.D. I have the most resent one I cant think of the name right now. I will tell you tomorrow. But, you should buy the sound trak to Sliver there are two or three songs on there by Enigma. You should also try the resale shop on Belmont under the El station they have a lot of different sound traks from movies on CD that Enigma does some of the main song for that particular movie. If you want you can e-mail me at Mmartin@nhma.noil.com instead of going through other channels. You can only reach me from 8 to 5pm, Monday thru Friday. P out. MM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 12:57:48 +0500 From: mmartin@nhma.noli.com Subject: Here I am... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, My name is Marie. I live in Chicago too. You can find Enigma DC"s at in Best Buy, Rose Records or Circuit City. Phone first! You should not have a problem. If you do let me know via mmartin@nhma.noli.com. Ok Off off. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:17:46 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: Hi...I'm new :) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello everyone... When reading the introductory stuff about this mailing list it said that I should write a little something about myself...well here we go... My name is Karen and I'm a first year university student at the University of New Brunswick (New Brunswick is a small province on the east coast of Canada) I'm going to be studing Computer Science come fall :) Hmmm....I first heard/saw Enigma on Much Music about a year and a half ago. I saw the "Return to Innocence" video and instantly fell in love with it. (usually I have to listen to a song 5 or 6 times before I really like it) Either way...I didn't catch the artist's name the first time I saw it and I spent the next week watching Much Music almost constantly trying to catch the video again. Then of course I went out and bought their tape. (I didn't have a CD player then :( ) I loved every song. Where I'm from, nobody likes Enigma and I was beginning to think I was the only one until I found out about this list :) I'm a really big fan and interested in any information any body can give :) As for other music interest...I'm many into Classical and Jazz...although Pearl Jam, -Live-, and Holy Cole Trio reside in my collection. Hope this was the sort of thing I was suppose to write... Karen S. | "Late last night and the night before, | Tommyknockers, Tommyknockers, r7nm@unb.ca | Knocking at my door... | Want to go out, Don't know if I can... | Because I'm so afraid of the Tommyknocker Man" - don't know who wrote it and I don't think I quoted it right :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 00:48:34 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: Hi...I'm new :) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello karen The Quote sounds about right. Stephen King wrote it for the book TOMMYKNOCKERS. Have you seen the movie? It was an ok movie. I'm glad that you join all the people everywhere that loves Enigma. Have you had the pleasure to listen to their first album? It's called MCMXCAD and if the one with the song RETURN TO INNOCENCE is wonderfull you will be amazing how good the first one is. Also try to find records by Sandra.She is the girl voice of enigma. The songs are a bit different but as good. Keep in touch.......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:21:43 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: Hi...I'm new :) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > I'm glad that you join all the people everywhere that loves Enigma. > Have you had the pleasure to listen to their first album? It's called > MCMXCAD and if the one with the song RETURN TO INNOCENCE is wonderfull you > will be amazing how good the first one is. > Also try to find records by Sandra.She is the girl voice of enigma. > The songs are a bit different but as good. > Keep in touch.......... > > > Actually I do have there first album...I got it a couple of months after I got their second one (need to raise cash or I would have boughten both within days of each other) I love both of their albums !!! Ooops out of time in my computer lab at school finish this later :) Karen Sorry :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 21:56:37 PDT From: Mark Abdul Subject: Hiya! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hiya! Allow me to introduce myself... My name is Mark Abdul and I am seventeen-and-a-half years old (but you can call me eighteen). I joined this list to improve my exposure to all things Enigma! My collection includes the two albums, which get regular play on my stereo, typically at loud volumes (except at such times when one's parental units politely ask one to turn the volume down as they are trying to get to sleep...). Anyway. I've been a fan of Enigma for about a year; I first heard "Sadeness" way back at the start of the decade, but I was into other music back then, and hadn't learnt to appreciate the Enigma style. So while I am engaged in my terminally exciting occupation as student extraordinaire, I am also humming along to the tune from my latest PAULA ABDUL album!!! Yes, I fear my interest in Engima is merely part-time; I am a full-time, 100% certified Paula fanatic!! (As my signature will prove!) So hello again to all you people out there, and don't expect anything terribly intellectual from me, except for my wholehearted support for some of the best music I've ever heard (apart from Paula!) May we all elucidate the Enigma. 'Bye! Mark Abdul Paula's Bodysuit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 00:54:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew Sirois Subject: Homework To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Name, Age: Matt Sirois, 18. First heard Enigma two years ago, a friend had The Cross of Change and I borrowed it. Good stuff. I bought the first album about a year later, only because it took me that long to find the disc for anything less than $16 (not that it isn't worth that much, but theres a lot of music out there that I feel the need to own). So my Enigma collection consists of the two full length albums. Other music interests: Listing genres doesn't work to well so here's a list of artists whose work I own some part of: Aeolian Kid, Alice in Chains, Agnes Stone, Anacrusis, Bach, Blues Traveler, David Byrne, Candlebox, Cream, Dave Matthews Band, Miles Davis, Deep Forest, Dream Theater (I live and die by this band), 81 Mulberry, Enigma (of course), Europe, Fates Warning, Five-Eight, Peter Gabriel, Galactic Cowboys, Grateful Dead, Guns n' Roses, Hot Tuna, Gregorian Chants, Inca Son, Iron Butterfly, Iron Maiden, Jefferson Airplane, Kansas, King's X, Led Zepplin, Lillian Axe, Ray Lynch, Kerry Livgren, Loreena McKennitt, Metallica, Moody Blues, Steve Morse, Harry Nilson, Nine inch Nails, Pearl Jam, Pixies, Queen, Queensryche, Rush, Savatage, Simon and Garfunkel, Soul Asylum, The Stand (soundtrack), Star Trek VI (soundtrack), Tears for Fears, 10000 Maniacs, Tommy (soundtrack), Type O Negative, and Unruly Child. Now you know. Anyone with any interest in any of these artists can e-mail me and I'll tell you what I know (which may be quite a bit or very little). I am presently a first year student at the University of Rochester in New York. Major undiscovered, purpose unknown. Other info: My music is my world. Please don't disrespect the entire collection because of the occasional cheesy or questionable artist. Enigma is damn good, I anxiously await a new album. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 15:53:38 -0700 From: hoklau@ix.netcom.com (HOK LAU ) Subject: Homework. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au.Hello.everyone!The.following.is.my.homework My name is HOK LAU, I am 22 years old and I just moved from L.A California to Texas. I am a student (looking for school). I first heard of Enigma was from a remixed chinese song with Enigma beat and samples, at first I don't even know that's from Enigma, since that I am totally sold to Enigma . This is what I have in my Enigma collection. Album : ENIGMA MCMXC a.D and "THE LIMITED EDITION" CROSS OF CHANGES and "SPECIAL EDITION" Single: Mea Culpa part II The Rivers of Belief Return To Innocence AGE OF LONELINESS The Eyes of Truth Out From The Deep And any CD with Enigma or relative to it SLIVER (soundtrack) REAL SADNESS & OTHER GREGORIAN MYSTERIES GREOGRIAN sadisfaction SANDRA everlasting love Now you should know how much I love Enigma! And there is CD call MELLONTA TAUTA sun fell , I personally like it, I can say it is kind like similar to Enigma but they sing most of the time, please do blame me if you don't like it. I wondering how come there is no single for I LOVE YOU...I'LL KILL YOU, this a great song! Or there was a single but I don't know. O.K that's for now ,if anyone has a question will be welcome . Thank you for reading my messege. LAU,HOK hoklau@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:57:00 -0400 From: PKucera@aol.com Subject: How to Put This Delicately... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Cheers: I think Enigma's great, I think the WWW site is terrific, and I think Gavin's doing a great service to us by moderating this list server. (Thanks, Gavin.) I've been a subscriber for a month or so now, and will post an intro to myself as soon as I get a moment to do it properly, i.e. short and sweet. (And for those America On-Line users, I'll post info on how to substitute your standard AOL sounds with those of Enigma.) On the theme of short and sweet... I just returned from being away from e-mail for five days, and I had 70 - 80 messages in my box from this discussion group. That seems like as bit much, especially when you consider that many of them were personal messages from one subscriber to another. Before you consider littering the server with responses of the ilk: "If you don't want the messages, then unsubscribe yourself.", let me again say that I DO want to listen to and participate in the discussions. And I realize that discussion groups are just that, "discussion." Subscribing to the Digest only does not solve the problem. But for not only those of us who lead busy lives (and who listen to Enigma, et.al. to give us some peace), but for I suspect a large number of list subscribers, can we all think twice before posting drivel to the list? It takes a lot of time to sift through it all sometimes. Since most postings identify the original sender, one suggestion would be to send "personal" responses directly to the sender, bypassing the "Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au" list server, and therefore sparing the rest of us. I'm in the business of facilitating discussion (in the context of organizational learning), so I know what discussion is all about, and I don't want to squelch it here. I just want to suggest we all use a wee bit more common sense before we hit that "Send" button. If a particular horse is dead, no need to kick it again. Find something else to talk about. Thanks for listening. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:17:26 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: I'm not sure how to word this... To: Enigma List Hi All... I'm really not sure on how to begin a discussion topic...but i'm going to try anyways... Obviously (sp?) I'm a Enigma fan, why else would I be on this list, but I'm also a classical music fan, mostly into the romantic and impressionistic composers. The reason I bring this up is because Enigma's music reminds me so much of my classical music...the way they both relax me and fill me so...but also the style of Enigma seem the same as some classical composers (ie Debussy and Faure) and I was wondering if anybody out there can relate, or have any thoughts...probably not but...I thought this was worth a try :) Karen 8*) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:39:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Jim English Subject: I'm not sure how to word this... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hi All... > > I'm really not sure on how to begin a discussion topic...but i'm going to > try anyways... > > Obviously (sp?) I'm a Enigma fan, why else would I be on this list, but > I'm also a classical music fan, mostly into the romantic and impressionistic > composers. The reason I bring this up is because Enigma's music reminds > me so much of my classical music...the way they both relax me and fill me > so...but also the style of Enigma seem the same as some > classical composers (ie Debussy and Faure) and I was wondering if anybody out > there can relate, or have any thoughts...probably not but...I thought > this was worth a try :) > > Karen 8*) > hey, I agree with you here. Enigma does hit the vein of the Impressionist (Debussy) and Late Romantic composers. Debussy is one of my fav impressionists. I'm a fan of French Impressionist music and art. The form of the enigma works also resembles more classical forms. I would have to say that anyone who _didn't_ see it like you see it would be farther out than u. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - english@galaxy.galstar.com / jenglish@amoco.com The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "Sold, to the man with the red white and blue suit!" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:39:23 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT lyrics To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all Does anybody knows what phrase comes after: ...In the heat of the night You lose your heart, you sell your soul In the heat of the night It's much too late for.........??????????? In the song IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 13:29:04 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT lyrics To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi all > >Does anybody knows what phrase comes after: > >...In the heat of the night >You lose your heart, you sell your soul >In the heat of the night >It's much too late for.........??????????? > >In the song IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT? > In Inge's ears it sounds like "In the heat of the night you lose your heart and sell your soul I lose control In the heat of the night It's much too late to leave the train But I can stand it anymore You lose your heart and you soul I lose control In the heat of the night" ... or am I wrong? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 18:14 MET DST From: Stephan Eberspaecher Subject: IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT lyrics To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > "In the heat of the night > you lose your heart and sell your soul > I lose control =20 > In the heat of the night > It's much too late to leave the train The line is: It=B4s much to late to leave the trade The others are ok. I have the text in a songbook. Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:02:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Jon Shipley Subject: Intro To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (IntrotoEnigma) Well, since I've finally found a place that deaLs only with Enigma and related artists, I'm excited as hell to see what happens.. My name is Phil Shipley, and I'm currently attending Michigan State Universitey as a full-time student, majoring (currently) in telecomm arts. I do want to change to flat out comm arts soon however.... The first time I heard Enigma was riding on a bus to school my fresman year in high-school. I can't describe what happend. Perhaps a light popped in somewhere inside that told me I needed to know what this WAS, where and why it struck me. I didn't know who performed "Sadeness Part 1" when I first heard it, but my ambition and desire to find out, led me to Enigma. From that point on, I began to research and found out more and more about Enigma and Creteu. Enigma has had a tremendous impact on my life and my soul. It has led me spiritually with other people in ways I once could only dream of... My Enigma collection is as follows: Sadeness Part I (Various Mixes) Mea Culpa Part II (Various Mixes) MCMXC a.d. MCMXC a.d. (Limited Edition) Cross of Changes Out from the deep (Maxi-Single) Return to Innocence (Maxi-Single) Carly's Song (Maxi-Single) Principles of Lust (Maxi-Single) Age of Lonliness (DISDN 135) Age of Lonliness (US) The Eyes of Truth (Maxi-Single) In addition to compact discs, I also have Enigma the Videos (part 1) which contains Sadeness Part 1 and Mea Culpa part 2. I would love to get my hands on more Videos as well as some compact discs I do not have. In addition to Enigma, I listen extensively to Deep Forest, William Orbit, and anything done by Bill Leeb and Rhys Fulbar (Delirium, Intermix, FLA, etc.) I write every night (if that deems interesting), play soccer, and create music videos. Well, thats about all I can say right now. I just now know that this excitement is nearly unbearable, as I await what lies in the future. My heart is with you all.. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:03:51 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello everybody! My name is James Roman and I am 18 years old. I've just started my first year at the University of Texas at Austin. Internet is widely used here and that's how I found the Enigma site, the Enigma FAQ, etc. I am a HUGE Enigma fan and I bought any record I could find by Enigma. My collection is... Sadeness pt. 1 single Mea Culpa pt. 2 single MCMXC a.D. Return to Innocence single The CROSS of changes Age of Loneliness single The Eyes of Truth single Out From the Deep single I first heard Enigma when Sadeness came out. I heard the song all the time, but I didn't know who's song it was. When I found out, I bought the single. From there, my Enigma collection grew. Enigma's music really gets to you and that's what I like about it. I am desperately looking for the single for Principles of Lust. If anyone knows where or how I can get it, please let me know! My e-mail address is jroman@mail.utexas.edu Since I heard Enigma, I also collected CD's from other bands of the same type of music like Deep Forest, Jean-Michel Jarre, and B-Tribe. However, none of those bands measure up to Enigma. I was looking through an import section of a music store and I found Cretu. I immediately knew that this man was behind Enigma so I listened to it (the store was a Blockbuster Music where I could listen before I bought). It was the "Invisible Man" album. I loved it, especially "Silver Water." I didn't have enough money to get it and when I did, someone bought it. I was so mad. I knew that Sandra had her own band, but I never heard her music until I got to college. My roomate had a "Best European Hits" CD with Sandra's "Johnny Wanna Live" on it. I loved it. Her version (the original) was much better than Sarah Brightman's version. I went to a music store and found the Everlasting Love album and bought it. I love that album, especially "Maria Magdalena". I've been looking for Fading Shades, but no one has it. So, that's my story about Enigma. I am now impatiently awaiting Enigma 3 which comes out August 1996, after which Enigma will give a live performance somewhere. It's not a tour, but it will be awesome. Well, I guess I'll talk to you all later! James Roman jroman@mail.utexas.edu P.S. If there is anyone on the UT campus that is a member of this mailing list, send me some mail. I've only seen one other Enigma fan in my life! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:30:47 -0800 From: Waterman Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au By way of Introduction, my name is Dave Boychuk, and I am twenty years old. I am a Canadian, going to University full time in Alaska. I also work for the University as a computer consultant part time. I love music, and Enigma in particular. My collection is relatively small, which is why I have joined this group. I have both of the production discs, and the soundtrack to Sliver, which has some Enigma on it. I would greatly appreciate knowing what else is out there, so I can order it. Thanks, Dave Boychuk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 09:43:14 -0500 From: James Roman Subject: Introduction To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 01:30 PM 9/26/95 -0800, you wrote: >By way of Introduction, my name is Dave Boychuk, and I am twenty years old. >I am a Canadian, going to University full time in Alaska. I also work for >the University as a computer consultant part time. I love music, and Enigma >in particular. My collection is relatively small, which is why I have joined >this group. I have both of the production discs, and the soundtrack to >Sliver, which has some Enigma on it. I would greatly appreciate knowing >what else is out there, so I can order it. >Thanks, >Dave Boychuk > > > Hey Dave, If you already have both albums, then all Enigma has left are singles. You should get them because Enigma really knows how to remix their songs. I'm not sure if all of these are available, but you should look. The singles are: Sadeness pt. 1 Mea Culpa pt. 2 The Principles of Lust The Rivers of Belief Return to Innocence Age of Loneliness The Eyes of Truth Out From the Deep They have a video out called The Videos pt.1. It has the videos to Sadeness and Mea Culpa. I have seen another one called Visions of Sadeness at CDNow on the internet. It's very expensive ($70), but it might be released in stores at a lower price. It has more videos from MCMXC. I hope this information helps. James Roman jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 06:25:38 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Introduction To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Salutations Enigma Fans, I have been on the Enigma mailing list for about 4 weeks now. I thought it time to introduce myself. My name is Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin. Yesterday was my 22nd Birthday. I have lived in Phoenix, Arizona, USA for about 5 1/2 Years now. I attended Paradise Valley Community College. My major: Fashion Merchandising Minor: General Business. I work full time as the Secretary for "Arizona Macintosh User's Group" in downtown Phoenix. My hobbies are: Dancing-Whether it be Hip Hop, funk, jazz, modern, ballet and classical dancing-I adore Dancing (especially to Enigma! smile!!!!), Beach fun (even though here in Phoenix we do not have beaches, therefore I cannot go frequently). I have lived in Connecticutt, California, Utah and New Zealand. New Zealand has breathtakingly beautiful beaches. Imagine listening to Enigma in the evening at the beach. The ocean breeze and tranquil wind flowing in the air. Wonderful!!!!!!! Next time I go there, I will make sure that I bring my Enigma CD's. Fashion design- I enjoy modeling, glamour and fashion. Of course, I love music!!!!!! Whether it be singing or listening. Some of my favorite groups & musicians are Enigma, Deep Forest, Enya, Clannad, Kitaro, Yanni, O.M.D., Red Flag, Etc. I was introduced to Enigma about 8 months ago by a friend of mine. I had actually heard some of Enigma's songs before, however, I did not know who the artists of the song were. I was overjoyed to find out and I am thankful for this mailing list. It's great!!!!!!!! Well, I've already talked way too much. Hang in there, stay awake, I shall conclude now. Smile!!!!!!!! Happy Listening everyone!!!!!!!! Sincerely, Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin angelmac@amug.org - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:30:46 +0200 From: mdekker@metropolis.nl (Martin Dekker) Subject: Introduction, HI THERE!!! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi there!!! Just a small introduction of an Enigma/Sandra fan who just subscribed to you mailing list. My name is Martin Dekker, I'm 27 years old and live in The Netherlands. I work for a Software Company and my hobby is Waterpolo. I've searched a while before i found the Enigma/Sandra Web-pages, all I found was Mariah C., Prince and Michael J. It's very nice to see that a lot more people like Sandra/Enigma. My first record of Sandra was of course I'll never be.... After that I just couldn't stop buying her records. Then one night I heard Enigma's Sadeness on the radio. I stopped everything I was doing at that moment because the voice I heard was from Sandra. I liked it from the very first second. After that, I just had to buy both the Sandra and Enigma records. My collection now is: Michael Cretu CD's: Die Chinesische Mauer / The Invisible Man / Belle Epoque, 12": Samurai. Enigma CD's: MCMXC a.D. (Hologram) / The Cross Of Changes (Gold), CD maxi: Sadeness / Mea Culpa / Principles of lust / Return to innocence / Eyes of truth / Age of loneliness / Out from the deep. Sandra CD's: All her albums + 3 picture CD box, 11 CD maxi's, 11 12" maxi's, a Spanish promo single of Maria Magdalena, A Rusian LP "The Long Play", A Russian magazine with plastic Single inside. And last but not least her very first single "Andy Mein Freund" (1976). Arabesque CD's: Time To Say Goodbye / The Collection (Russian, double), 10 LP's including a Russian LP "Arabesque", the red vinyl "Everybody Likes...", the yellow vinyl "Fancy Concert" and a Japanese promo of Radio Arabesque, 4 Singles. Reading the Web-pages I found out that I'm still missing a lot. I don't know if there are many Dutch members of this mailing list, but I'm sure they aggree with me that in Holland the attention of both Radio and Television for Sandra is much too low!!! Fortunately the Enigma records are all doing quite well here. The lack of interest from the radio makes it hard to buy Sandra's records here, especialy her CD-maxi's. Fortunately one of the guys in our local record shop is a "Sandrafiel" as well and makes some effort to get everything in store. Anyway, I like to be informed about Sandra and Michael as much as possible and this seems to be right way to do so!!! Greetings to you all.... Martin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:05:42 -0500 From: Michael Crogan Subject: Introduction and _MCMXC A.D._ questions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello all... I'd like to briefly share my musical tastes with everyone, then ask a question about _Mea Culpa_ singles/remixes, and one regarding "The Complete Album" of _MCMXC A.D._. Enigma prompted my looking into ambient music and the like; after Enigma I was told to check out _Deep Forest_, and liked that as well... Here are some other groups that I like: Enya, Pink Floyd, Rush, Joe Satriani, Delerium (Semantic Spaces), _Future Sound of London_, _Celtic Twilight_, and some other ambient (has anyone else heard of the Barramundi samplers?) Now that I have been introduced, here's my question: : $ telnet cdeurope.com : B241160 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D. -LTD. EDITION- : $29.95 VIRGI 4/91 HOLLAND : : B244634 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D. -LTD. EDITION- : $30.95 VIRGI 4/91 HOLLAND : : H048871 ENIGMA MEA CULPA : $11.95 VIRGI 12/92 GERMANY SINGLE : : VJCP-14027 ENIGMA MEA CULPA PART 2-MINI ALBUM : $20.95 VIRGIN 6/91 JAPAN I would like to know if anyone had checked out _Mea Culpa_, and if they did, what is the difference between the last two entries? : $ telnet musicexpress.com : ViRG642343 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D./THE LIMITED EDITION : $18.28 VIRGIN 2/94 CASSETTE : : ViRG201736 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D.THE COMPLETE ALBUM : $24.16 VIRGIN 11/91 6 PAL NOT COMPATIBLE TO US VID. MUSIC POP : : ViRG642329 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D.THE LIMITED EDITION : $25.36 VIRGIN 11/91 : : ViRG192322 ENIGMA MEA CULPA : $10.66 VIRGIN 2/91 CD SINGLE MAXI SINGLE CD I read about "The Limited Edition" from this mailing list, and I planned on getting that, until I saw "The Complete Album". Does anyone have _both_, and could tell me what the difference is (if there is one)? Thanks in advance-- -- Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 01:32:37 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) Subject: Introduction and _MCMXC A.D._ questions To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hello all... (buncha text del'ed) >Now that I have been introduced, here's my question: > >I would like to know if anyone had checked out _Mea Culpa_, and if they did, >what is the difference between the last two entries? I don't know about the Mea Culpa differences... but... >: $ telnet musicexpress.com >: ViRG642343 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D./THE LIMITED EDITION >: $18.28 VIRGIN 2/94 CASSETTE >: >: ViRG201736 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D.THE COMPLETE ALBUM >: $24.16 VIRGIN 11/91 6 PAL NOT COMPATIBLE TO US VID. MUSIC POP >: >: ViRG642329 ENIGMA MCMXC A.D.THE LIMITED EDITION >: $25.36 VIRGIN 11/91 >: >: ViRG192322 ENIGMA MEA CULPA >: $10.66 VIRGIN 2/91 CD SINGLE MAXI SINGLE CD > >I read about "The Limited Edition" from this mailing list, and I planned on >getting that, until I saw "The Complete Album". Does anyone have _both_, >and could tell me what the difference is (if there is one)? The Complete Album is a video collection. The comment "PAL NOT COMPATIBLE TO US VID." means that the video is for European VCRs... North American VCR's use NTSC format. Hope this helps, Charles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:07:28 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: It's... Boney M.! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au As we know, Michael Cretu has been involved with a lot of different artists and projects throughout the years. Many of these have been little known outside of Germany, but there is one group which stands out, and that's '70s great disco band - Boney M.. The creation of German producer Frank Farian, Boney M. with it's four members, were based in Munich, so knowing that Michael Cretu used to work as a studio musician, it is not perhaps such a big surprise that Michael Cretu got involved. Cretu thus features as keyboard player and one of the music arrangers on the albums Nightflight To Venus (1978) and Oceans Of Fantasy (1979). The latter of these albums contains only minor hits, such as 'El Lute' and 'Gotta Go Home', but the former album features some of Boney M.'s biggest hits. These include 'Rasputin', 'Brown Girl In The Ring' and perhaps the greatest of them all - 'Rivers Of Babylon' (all of these three going to number 1 on the European charts, along with the album). Michael Cretu was just one of the people behind the music, the crew dubbed as "The 5th member of Boney M." on Oceans Of Fantasy. This album in fact includes a photo of the team, complete with Cretu. There is also another familiar name appearing here, namely Mats Bjorklund who have played guitar on Sandra's albums. As a side note, Frank Farian now lives on Ibiza as well. A connection between Enigma and Boney M.? It sounds very unreal, but it all shows Michael Cretu's versatile workground. :) Joar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:33:27 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: JUST ANOTHER MEMBER-Severino Ramos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > As a new member of the list I'd love for you to introduce yourself since >it is >a great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your >presence. Information you should include are: > >* Name > SEVERINO RAMOS >* Age > 33 >* What is in your Enigma collection EVERY REMIX MADE IN THE US THE FIRST TWO VIDEOS (sadness/mea culpa) Every album by Sandra Remixes of WE'LL BE TOGETHER JOHNNY WANNA LIVE LIFE MAY BE A BIG INSANITY HIROSHIMA HEAVEN CAN WAIT AROUND MY HEART NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN MARIA MAGDALENA Michael cretu Invisible man Michael and thieves Hubert Kah tensongs sound of my heart dance hits remixes It's me cathy Military drums Help me throught the night Limousine So many people Machine gun >* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are > Well, I've been following Sandra since her first hit, Maria magdalena Before Enigma put out the first album for us (I used to work for RCA REC) was known as the coming Sandra especial appearence. I didn't know about Michael cretu then. >* Other artists you like > Marianne Rosenberg/Modern Talking/Blue System/Nina Hagen >* What course or job you're doing (if any) > Nothing interesting >* Any other interesting information you wish to share > If Enigma fans don't know about Michael Cretu's solo albums and >Sandra's solo albums, Please check it out.You won't be sorry. Also Michael's new Production "ANGEL". In close: YOU HAVEN'T HEARD GOOD MUSIC UNTIL YOU LISTEN TO "SHADOWS by Sandra" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:13:16 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: Karen's request To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Karen I can have a tape ready for you by tomorrow. No charge at all. All I need is an address where to send it to. You are gonna love it. I also have a copy of the single Age of Loneliness that I can copy for you if you want. Let me know... Severo Form L.A. >Hi ... > >I was wondering if anyone would be as so kind to set up a trade or >something of the sort with me. I'm from a city where trust me, they are >lucky if they even carry Enigma's Cross of Changes CD..there is no place >for me to the limited and special editions of their two main CDs. I'm >willing to pay for shipping both to and from who would ever copy them for >me...I have access to very little rare stuff outside Pearl Jam and >Tragically Hip bootlegs. (and my high school band's CDs :)) > >Anyways...enough babbling I think you get the point...if you are >interested in copy one or both for me...PLEASE E-MAIL ME!!!! > >Karen Sullivan |"Your only young once.... > | but you can be immature, FOREVER!!!" >r7nm@unb.ca | - my cousin Eric :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:08:40 -0400 From: Jerry Smith Subject: Karen, I do know what you mean To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Karen I have a strong love for music, I do really enjoy the long hair music, as well as Enigma, like you. I have heard classical music live in Europe by many different artist. I can compare Enigma to classical music, by the mood and the aura that it puts me in. Please think that I am limited to these two areas, I like the Boston Pops, as well Sarah McLachlin, The Beatles, the Ink Spots and of course the little heard or know of The Joint Rockers. Don't feel alone, this is a big world that we all can access via the Internet. Take care. At 07:17 PM 28-09-95 -0300, you wrote: >Hi All... > >I'm really not sure on how to begin a discussion topic...but i'm going to >try anyways... > >Obviously (sp?) I'm a Enigma fan, why else would I be on this list, but >I'm also a classical music fan, mostly into the romantic and impressionistic >composers. The reason I bring this up is because Enigma's music reminds >me so much of my classical music...the way they both relax me and fill me >so...but also the style of Enigma seem the same as some >classical composers (ie Debussy and Faure) and I was wondering if anybody out >there can relate, or have any thoughts...probably not but...I thought >this was worth a try :) > >Karen 8*) > > Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us The Internet is a passing fad, just like Television. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:28:40 -0800 From: john@betterbagel.com (John G. Ingram) Subject: Kind of off the subject To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! This is a little off the subject of Enigma; however, the music style is still the same. I am in desperate search of a CD that was stolen from my office. I've searched everywhere I can think of in the US and there's just no finding it. It's a CD called "Gregorian". It's NOT the Gregorian Chant CD that made it on all the mainstream radio stations. It's from Germany (I bought it while in Japan) and the cover is a light salmon/pinkish color. That's all I can remember about it. The only song title I can remember off the CD is called "Once In A Lifetime" - Sarah Brightman does a similar version on her "Dive" CD. If anyone has any information about this CD PLEASE HELP ME!!! It is wonderful. It is the same style as Enigma and definitely stirs up similar emotions. Thanks! Peace. John "The Bagel Boy" Ingram - Mountain View, California *********************************************************** bagelboy@best.com * Find love within yourself, john@betterbagel.com * then those around you will http://www.best.com/~bagelboy * be easier to love. :-) *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 07:13:41 -0800 From: john@betterbagel.com (John G. Ingram) Subject: Kind of off the subject To: Sarah Picken , enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone! Just thought I would post this to everyone as I received quite a large response from people who knew of this CD and love the music as much as I do. If you run across this CD, please tell me where...anywhere in the world....I want to know. Also, if possible, check it out for yourself. At 2:39 PM 9/10/95, Sarah Picken wrote: >> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:28:40 -0800 >> To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> From: "John G. Ingram" >> Subject: Kind of off the subject >> Reply-to: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >> Hi! This is a little off the subject of Enigma; however, the music style >> is still the same. I am in desperate search of a CD that was stolen from >> my office. I've searched everywhere I can think of in the US and there's >> just no finding it. >> >> It's a CD called "Gregorian". It's NOT the Gregorian Chant CD that made it >> on all the mainstream radio stations. It's from Germany (I bought it while >> in Japan) and the cover is a light salmon/pinkish color. That's all I can >> remember about it. The only song title I can remember off the CD is called >> "Once In A Lifetime" - Sarah Brightman does a similar version on her "Dive" >> CD. >> >> If anyone has any information about this CD PLEASE HELP ME!!! It is >> wonderful. It is the same style as Enigma and definitely stirs up similar >> emotions. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Peace. >> >> John "The Bagel Boy" Ingram - Mountain View, California >> *********************************************************** >> bagelboy@best.com * Find love within yourself, >> john@betterbagel.com * then those around you will >> http://www.best.com/~bagelboy * be easier to love. :-) >> *********************************************************** >> >> > >Hi John! > >I actually have the Gregorian CD - I bought it in France in 1991 when >I was living out there for a year. > >It's called "Sadisfaction" and was released by Metronome Musik GMBH. > >The songs are as follows: > >Watcha Gonna Do >Once in a Lifetime >So Sad (the single) >Forever >The Quiet Self >Reflect >Monastry >Gonna Make You Mine >You take my breath away >I love you >Why did you go (I feel sad) >The Mission >Depressions. > >I really love the CD too, particularly the way they use the different >languages. I'm afraid I can't suggest where you can find a copy: it's >not available in England (where I live)....so I can only suggest you >take a trip to France!!! > >Hope this helps a bit! > >Sarah > > >------------------------------------------------------ >Sarah Picken >email: sarah@squico.demon.co.uk >------------------------------------------------------ Peace. John "The Bagel Boy" Ingram - Mountain View, California bagelboy@best.com http://www.best.com/~bagelboy john@betterbagel.com http://www.betterbagel.com/bbi.html In our lives we come across many choices. Deciding to actually make a choice is the first step in creating our own achievments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:44:43 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Kitaro Concert To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Ya Everyone, ATTENTION: KITARO FANS I have wonderful news for those of you who are Kitaro Fans. Today, I heard on the radio that Kitaro is having a concert in Phoenix, Arizona. Yeah, my home town!!!! It is scheduled for November at Phoenix Symphony Hall. I didn't get the forsure date. However, I will keep you updated and post it as soon as possible. The tickets are being sold at Dilliard stores all across the valley of the Sun. If anyone has questions about it: Feel free to E-mail me at- angelmac@amug.org Sweet Dreams, Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phoenix, AZ, USA - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:16:01 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Kitaro Concert To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi Ya Everyone, > > ATTENTION: KITARO FANS > > I have wonderful news for those of you who are Kitaro Fans. Today, >I heard on the radio that Kitaro is having a concert in Phoenix, Arizona. >Yeah, my home town!!!! It is scheduled for November at Phoenix Symphony >Hall. I didn't get the forsure date. However, I will keep you updated and >post it as soon as possible. The tickets are being sold at Dilliard stores >all across the valley of the Sun. If anyone has questions about it: Feel >free to E-mail me at- angelmac@amug.org > > Sweet Dreams, > > Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phoenix, AZ, USA > > Hey Rachelle, This is great news! I wish I could see him in concert (I live in Texas at UT). I have a videotape of one of his concerts. It was a concert where he performs his Kojiki album. It was impresssive. You should try your hardest to be able to go. I heard his concerts can be very moving. Best wishes, James. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:10:29 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Kitaro Concert To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>Hi Ya Everyone, >> >> ATTENTION: KITARO FANS >> >> I have wonderful news for those of you who are Kitaro Fans. Today, >>I heard on the radio that Kitaro is having a concert in Phoenix, Arizona. >>Yeah, my home town!!!! It is scheduled for November at Phoenix Symphony >>Hall. I didn't get the forsure date. However, I will keep you updated and >>post it as soon as possible. The tickets are being sold at Dilliard stores >>all across the valley of the Sun. If anyone has questions about it: Feel >>free to E-mail me at- angelmac@amug.org >> >> Sweet Dreams, >> >> Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phoenix, AZ, USA >> >> > Hey Rachelle, > This is great news! I wish I could see him in concert (I >live in Texas at UT). I have a videotape of one of his concerts. It was a >concert where he performs his Kojiki album. It was impresssive. You should >try your hardest to be able to go. I heard his concerts can be very moving. > > Best wishes, James. Hi James, I am going to go to the Kitaro Concert. I wouldn't miss it for the world. Today is the first day the tickets are going on sale. Yes!!!!!!!!! Texas really isn't that far from Phoenix. You should come on down. The concert is going to be a Total Blast!!!! If you do decide to come down, E-mail me. I could order the tickets for you. And if you want, I could show you around Phoenix. November is a beautiful month here in Phoenix. It's not hot like an Infurno as it is in the summertime. Texas get's pretty overheated in the summer also, I hear. SMILE!!!!! Forever Keep Smiling!!!!! Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 11:53:25 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: Kitaro Concert Date To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello All You Wonderful Kitaro Fans Out There, The Kitaro Concert in Phoenix, Arizona, USA is scheduled for Nov. 12, 1995 at 7:30P.M. It is being held at the Phoenix Symphony Hall. The ticket prices are: $20.00, $25.00, and $30.00. The tickets are going quite fast. So if you intend to attend make sure that you order very soon. The tickets can be purchased at any Dillard's Ticket Box Office in Phoenix. If your long distance you may call and pay with credit card.The Dillard's Box Office Phone # (602) 678-2222. If you would like me to assist you in ordering your tickets. Do E-mail me at: angelmac@amug.org. I would be delighted to help. Have a super Weekend!!!! Bye for now, Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:28:22 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Love you kill you To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey, I heard there were different versions of "I Love You...I'll Kill You" somewhere. Is this true? If so, where can I get it and what's different about it? Please reply. James Roman jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 11:05:44 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Love you kill you To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sep 27, 7:28pm, James Roman wrote: > Hey, I heard there were different versions of "I Love You...I'll Kill You" > somewhere. Is this true? If so, where can I get it and what's different > about it? Please reply. This is true. After the initial release of The CROSS Of Changes in Europe in December 1993, Michael Cretu changed a part of "I Love You ... I'll Kill You", namely added the line "You'll be fine" around the middle of the song, simply because he liked this new version better. This then appeared in subsequent editions - for the rest of the world, as well as later pressings of the European edition. As for getting hold of the other version (which I presume for you is the first version), you really should listen to the song from a European release. There should be some small details on the CD itself suggesting which is the first pressing, but I don't remember those off-hand. Joar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Resurrected artist Subject: Magic Best To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi,guys! About the Enigma's "Magic Best". I got this album from friend who brought it from Russia. I guess it's made in Poland. It includes all the best songs from 2 Enigma's albums, and also "Sadness" remix, "Mea Culpa" remix, and "Principles of Lust" remix. Not bad compilation. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 14:40:10 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: Mark Abdul To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi mark I'm glad you join this wonderful list. I've been on this;list for awhile now and it feels like home. Should I assume you are subscribed to the straight up mailing list also? I'am. Welcome to the Enigma List. See ya Severo From L.A. >Hiya! Allow me to introduce myself... > >My name is Mark Abdul and I am seventeen-and-a-half years old (but >you can call me eighteen). I joined this list to improve my >exposure to all things Enigma! My collection includes the two >albums, which get regular play on my stereo, typically at loud >volumes (except at such times when one's parental units politely >ask one to turn the volume down as they are trying to get to >sleep...). Anyway. I've been a fan of Enigma for about a year; I >first heard "Sadeness" way back at the start of the decade, but >I was into other music back then, and hadn't learnt to appreciate >the Enigma style. So while I am engaged in my terminally exciting >occupation as student extraordinaire, I am also humming along to >the tune from my latest PAULA ABDUL album!!! Yes, I fear my >interest in Engima is merely part-time; I am a full-time, 100% >certified Paula fanatic!! (As my signature will prove!) So hello >again to all you people out there, and don't expect anything >terribly intellectual from me, except for my wholehearted support >for some of the best music I've ever heard (apart from Paula!) > >May we all elucidate the Enigma. 'Bye! > > > >Mark Abdul >Paula's Bodysuit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:41:39 -0500 (CDT) From: djbarke@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Daniel Barker) Subject: MCM vs. Cross To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au BEN> Is MCM... better than The Cross of Changes? Ben, That is a tough question because I like them both a lot. They are different and yet similar at the same time. I listen to them both about equally but if I could only have one it would probably be The Cross of Changes. But... That is mainly because the bass on MCM... is boomier and a little less accurate (in my humble opinion). Also I like the Indians better than the monks. On the other hand, The radio stations in the US played the hell out of "Return to Innocence" about a year or two ago so I'm burnt out on that song. And the last track on MCM..., The Rivers of Belief, is GREAT especially if you play it on a good system. Disclaimer: These are just my personal opinions...Not trying to start any arguments. :-) Dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 11:53:55 +0200 From: Keller@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (Hartmut Keller) Subject: MDR To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Some people asked about the meaning of MDR. MDR is "Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk". It's a broadcasting station named after the scope of their terrestrical antennas, namely the middle part of Germany. Other similar station namings are "NDR" (Norddeutscher Rundfunk) for the north of Germany and "WDR" (Westdeutscher Rundfunk) for the west. In former times they were only receivable in the indicated region, but with the launch of Astra 1C they also started broadcasting on satellite and can now be received all across Europe. They're broadcasting uncoded in PAL. As I have a rather inflexible satellite dish/receiver configuration, I'm not able to receive programs from Astra 1C or 1D, so I can give no further information about the program quality of MDR. Hartmut +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Hartmut Keller | Internet: keller@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de | | Inst. fuer Informatik +-----------------------------------------------+ | Breitwiesenstr. 20-22 | "Home is where the heart lies - but when the | | 70565 Stuttgart | heart lies, where is home?" (Marillion) | +-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:57:12 +0100 From: bmiller.mp.wimbledon@gtnet.gov.uk (Bruce Miller) Subject: Me and Enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, my name's Bruce Miller, I'm 25 and from London, England. As a great fan of Enigma, I have both of their albums and most of their singles, I though I'd join this mailing list. As well as Enigma, I like The Orb, The Grid, Deep Forest etc. Anything thats 'mellow' or has a good beat. I regularly chill out with a few Kronenbourgs and an Enigma album and wake in the morning feeling 'refreshed'. Back to work. Bruce Miller ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 17:15:05 -0700 From: prr@sirius.com (thrifty orbit) Subject: Moodswings To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Moodswings - "Moodfood" I know this is kind of an old album which doesn't offer an international feel like Enigma or Deep Forest but I think if you like the Latter two you will like MoodSwings. I put it on the other side of a tape with Deep Forest, finding it a very capable companion during road trips. And I'm very picky about making tapes. Similarities include: an overture theme that shows up throughout the disc (which clocks inat about 65-70 minutes.); the songs all run together adding to the continuity. And although one track features a screaming guitar solo by Jeff Beck, another features Chrissy Hynde on Vocals (I think the CH track showed up in some movie, Single White Female maybe, I dunno) and another features the "I have a dream" Speech by Martin Luther King It comes off very seemless. It's anthemic without being melodramatic, and impassioned without being indulgent. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 14:36:08 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Moodswings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy. > Moodswings - "Moodfood" > > I know this is kind of an old album which doesn't offer an international > feel like Enigma or Deep Forest but I think if you like the Latter two you > will like MoodSwings. I put it on the other side of a tape with Deep > Forest, finding it a very capable companion during road trips. And I'm very > picky about making tapes. > > Similarities include: an overture theme that shows up throughout the disc > (which clocks inat about 65-70 minutes.); the songs all run together adding > to the continuity. And although one track features a screaming guitar solo > by Jeff Beck, another features Chrissy Hynde on Vocals (I think the CH > track showed up in some movie, Single White Female maybe, I dunno) and > another features the "I have a dream" Speech by Martin Luther King It comes > off very seemless. It's anthemic without being melodramatic, and > impassioned without being indulgent. I have to agree with you about Moodswings - it has some great tracks on it and uses Martin Luther King's speech wonderfully to create an emotion. The problem I find with this album is that it the first tracks are great (Spritual High Part I, II, & III, Moodswings Overture) and then it goes off on a totally different tangent for some tracks, before coming back to some more great tracks (Hairy Piano, Throw off the Shackles, Spiritual High Reprise). If you find this one at a reduced price, buy it. But don't go out of your way to find it! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) ****************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** Enigma WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 95 00:26:05 -0700 From: prr@sirius.com (thrifty orbit) Subject: Moodswings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>>>> I have to agree with you about Moodswings - it has some great tracks on it and uses Martin Luther King's speech wonderfully to create an emotion. The problem I find with this album is that it the first tracks are great (Spritual High Part I, II, & III, Moodswings Overture) and then it goes off on a totally different tangent for some tracks, before coming back to some more great tracks (Hairy Piano, Throw off the Shackles, Spiritual High Reprise). If you find this one at a reduced price, buy it. But don't go out of your way to find it! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President)<<<<< Wow!! You must have a different version of this album. Spiritual high is 8-10 out of 12 on mine and it starts out with Throw off these shackles. I think sequencing is Vital. I agree there are a couple of week tracks in the middle, but I thinkthat is great odds relatively speaking. I find very very few Cds of this length (72:51) that only veer off course for a couple of tracks.I'd pay full price for this in a heartbeat. Its high moments are really high and there are many of them. Bye, thrifty orbit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 19:46:28 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Moodswings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi again. You wrote: > Wow!! You must have a different version of this album. Spiritual high is > 8-10 out of 12 on mine and it starts out with Throw off these shackles. I > think sequencing is Vital. I never knew this. For those with a different version, here's the tracklisting of the one I've got: 1. Spiritual High Part I 2. Spiritual High (State of Independence) Part II 3. Spiritual High Part III 4. The Moodswings Overture 5. Problem Solved 6. Thailand 7. Wombtones 8. Skinthieves 9. Rainsong 10.100% Total Success 11.Microcosmic 12.Hairy Piano 13.Throw off the Shackles 14.Spiritual High (State of Independence) Reprise Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) ****************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** Enigma WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 00:27:20 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) Subject: My introduction... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello again!! Most of you will remember my introduction to the mailing list a couple of weeks back. For those of you who didn't see it, it is quoted at the end of this document. Anyway, I just wanted to update you all as to what is in my Enigma collection now. MCMXC a.D. The CROSS of Changes Return to Innocence (import single from Holland with 4 tracks) I have a copy of MCMXC a.D. The Limited Edition on order, and it's probably in the mail to me even as I write this. Catch all of you l8r! Charles (buncha text del'ed) > >>YOUR HOMEWORK! >> >> As a new member of the list I'd love for you to introduce yourself since >it is >>a great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your >>presence. Information you should include are: >> >>* Name > Charles Bonville > >>* Age > 21 years and 2 months > >>* What is in your Enigma collection > Regretably, nothing! Augh! (See next part) > >>* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are > I first heard of Enigma when the Sadeness single was released. I was >then very recently introduced to more Enigma by a friend who has MCMXCD aD. >and Cross of Changes. I am a strong fan in the sense that I VERY much want >to find some copies of their CD's. In fact, I would very much like to get >my hands on the Limited Edition versions of the albums at just about any >cost on the small side of $50. Anyone seen a place that's selling these >albums??? > > Why am I such a huge fan? Well, besides the fact that the music is very >beautiful, I am very "attached" to Return to Innocence. The first time I >heard it, it became my favorite song. As I listened to it more, I noticed that >it gave me the tingly shivers all over. On about the 15th time I heard it, I >actually broke down into tears... and then laughed, and then cried some more, >just like the song says. I have never had such an incredible reaction to music >before. All this emotion came out of me, and I haven't even seen the video. >My >friend told me about the imagery in the video (which was confirmed in the >Enigma >FAQ) and I experienced even more emotion when imagining a tree returning to its >standing state. Anyway, Enigma means a lot to me... It is very spiritual to me >and I was not surprised to read in the FAQ that psychically ill people have >been >helped by this music. > >>* Other artists you like > Well, that would be a list of many pages... but I do like Erasure, Pet Shop >Boys, Information Society, and New Order. If anyone really wants to know more, >just ask me! :) > >>* What course or job you're doing (if any) > I am entering my Senior year in college this Fall. I am majoring in >Computer >Science and minoring in Writing. My career aspirations are Technical Writing, >Beta Testing and Documentation, and/or Client Training (teaching people to >use their >computers). I could do Computer Programming, too... but it's not really my >prime interest. > >>* Any other interesting information you wish to share > Nothing else comes to mind, except that I am in Grants Pass, Oregon, USA. > >Well, bye for now, >Charles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 12:35:19 -0400 From: kp95abn@student.hgs.se (Asker Brodersen) Subject: My presentation To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I recently subscribed to this list and will now present myself1 My name is Asker Brodersen, I'm 19 years old and from Sweden. I study Creative Programming at the university of Gavle-Sandviken (Computer Graphics & Animation, Multimedia Programming, etc) and also run a digital media company creating webpages. I'm a great Enigma fan! I own MCMXC a.D. (Limited Edition) (the green one) & The Cross Of Changes. If I can find it I will add Cretu's The Invisible Man, also a great CD! I have Sandra's Fading Shades and will soon get Close to seven (which I think is the better, although Fading Shades is also good). In addition to this I am also a great Deep Fores fan (isn't it funny how many Enigma fans are also Deep Forest fans and the other way around!). I own both Deep Forest and Boheme, which are both excellent CD's!! The first time I heard Enigma was on the radio, Sadeness! That did it! Enigma and Deep Forest are THE best music to be found!!! Other artists i deeply enjoy is Vangelis and Kitaro (and lots of others, too numerous to mention here :) The strange way in wich i found this list: I am making a small multimedia project here at the university, a small multimedia presentation of a favourite artist or band. I decided on either Enigma or Deep Forest. Deep Forest was the choice eventually. Well, in search of facts and history I found some web-pages focusing on Deep Forest. One of these also had a link to an Enigma homepage, wich had a link to THE Enigma homepage! And the rest, as they say, is history :) I feel that I will enjoy this list very much! Hi everyone...!!! /Asker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ / Asker Brodersen - a Creative Programming student at HGS, Sweden / | Email: kp95abn@kp.hgs.se | | URL: http://www.hgs.se/~kp95abn | | | / (And yes, I will make a nicer signature soon.) / ---------------------------------[EOF]----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 22:45:26 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: My presentation To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi, >I recently subscribed to this list and will now present myself1 > >My name is Asker Brodersen, I'm 19 years old and from Sweden. I study >Creative Programming at the university of Gavle-Sandviken (Computer Graphics >& Animation, Multimedia Programming, etc) and also run a digital media >company creating webpages. > >I'm a great Enigma fan! I own MCMXC a.D. (Limited Edition) (the green one) & >The Cross Of Changes. If I can find it I will add Cretu's The Invisible Man, >also a great CD! I have Sandra's Fading Shades and will soon get Close to >seven (which I think is the better, although Fading Shades is also good). In >addition to this I am also a great Deep Fores fan (isn't it funny how many >Enigma fans are also Deep Forest fans and the other way around!). I own both >Deep Forest and Boheme, which are both excellent CD's!! > >The first time I heard Enigma was on the radio, Sadeness! That did it! >Enigma and Deep Forest are THE best music to be found!!! >Other artists i deeply enjoy is Vangelis and Kitaro (and lots of others, too >numerous to mention here :) > >The strange way in wich i found this list: >I am making a small multimedia project here at the university, a small >multimedia presentation of a favourite artist or band. I decided on either >Enigma or Deep Forest. Deep Forest was the choice eventually. Well, in >search of facts and history I found some web-pages focusing on Deep Forest. >One of these also had a link to an Enigma homepage, wich had a link to THE >Enigma homepage! And the rest, as they say, is history :) > >I feel that I will enjoy this list very much! Hi everyone...!!! > >/Asker > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > / Asker Brodersen - a Creative Programming student at HGS, Sweden / > | Email: kp95abn@kp.hgs.se | > | URL: http://www.hgs.se/~kp95abn | > | | > / (And yes, I will make a nicer signature soon.) / >---------------------------------[EOF]----------------------------------- > > Hey Asker, Wow! I can't believe that there is someone else who likes Kitaro! I have around 17 of his albums (most of which I have never seen since I bought it!) The best one is Mandala. How is the limited edition MCMXC album? I would love to hear the remixes at the end? Does it have a remix of The Rivers of Beleif? Deep Forest is cool too. James Roman jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:04:41 -0400 From: kp95abn@student.hgs.se (Asker Brodersen) Subject: My presentation To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hey Asker, > Wow! I can't believe that there is someone else who likes >Kitaro! I have around 17 of his albums (most of which I have never seen >since I bought it!) The best one is Mandala. How is the limited edition >MCMXC album? I would love to hear the remixes at the end? Does it have a >remix of The Rivers of Beleif? Deep Forest is cool too. > James Roman > jroman@mail.utexas.edu > > I have actually never bought a Kitaro album (I've only seen one or two in record stores, one only a week ago, the soundtrack for Heaven and Hell - i liked it), but this summer a friend visited me and had some tapes. I loved them. But I'll remember Mandala, got to check it out... As of the limited edition of MCMXC a.D., it contains some additional tracks(remixes): VIII. SADENESS (MEDITATION) IX. MEA CULPA (FADING SHADES) X. PRINCIPLES OF LUST (EVERLASTING LUST) XI. THE RIVERS OF BELIEF (THE RETURNING SILENCE) It was because I had seen The Principles Of Lust video I knew I had to get the limited edition! (My brother already owned the normal version.) I think it's GREAT! If you own the normal version, try to get the limited edition and sell off the other! All the normal tracks are there, it's just an added bonus! Here in Sweden I still see it from time to time in the record stores. /Asker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ / Asker Brodersen - a Creative Programming student at HGS, Sweden / | Email: kp95abn@kp.hgs.se | | URL: http://www.hgs.se/~kp95abn | | | / (And yes, I will make a nicer signature soon.) / ---------------------------------[EOF]----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:22:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Joshua P Anderson Subject: My presentation To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, James Roman wrote: > >Hi, > >I recently subscribed to this list and will now present myself1 > > > >My name is Asker Brodersen, I'm 19 years old and from Sweden. I study > >Creative Programming at the university of Gavle-Sandviken (Computer Graphics > >& Animation, Multimedia Programming, etc) and also run a digital media > >company creating webpages. > > > >I'm a great Enigma fan! I own MCMXC a.D. (Limited Edition) (the green one) & > >The Cross Of Changes. If I can find it I will add Cretu's The Invisible Man, > >also a great CD! I have Sandra's Fading Shades and will soon get Close to > >seven (which I think is the better, although Fading Shades is also good). In > >addition to this I am also a great Deep Fores fan (isn't it funny how many > >Enigma fans are also Deep Forest fans and the other way around!). I own both > >Deep Forest and Boheme, which are both excellent CD's!! > > > >The first time I heard Enigma was on the radio, Sadeness! That did it! > >Enigma and Deep Forest are THE best music to be found!!! > >Other artists i deeply enjoy is Vangelis and Kitaro (and lots of others, too > >numerous to mention here :) > > > >The strange way in wich i found this list: > >I am making a small multimedia project here at the university, a small > >multimedia presentation of a favourite artist or band. I decided on either > >Enigma or Deep Forest. Deep Forest was the choice eventually. Well, in > >search of facts and history I found some web-pages focusing on Deep Forest. > >One of these also had a link to an Enigma homepage, wich had a link to THE > >Enigma homepage! And the rest, as they say, is history :) > > > >I feel that I will enjoy this list very much! Hi everyone...!!! > > > >/Asker > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > / Asker Brodersen - a Creative Programming student at HGS, Sweden / > > | Email: kp95abn@kp.hgs.se | > > | URL: http://www.hgs.se/~kp95abn | > > | | > > / (And yes, I will make a nicer signature soon.) / > >---------------------------------[EOF]----------------------------------- > > > > > > Hey Asker, > Wow! I can't believe that there is someone else who likes > Kitaro! I have around 17 of his albums (most of which I have never seen > since I bought it!) The best one is Mandala. How is the limited edition > MCMXC album? I would love to hear the remixes at the end? Does it have a > remix of The Rivers of Beleif? Deep Forest is cool too. > James Roman > jroman@mail.utexas.edu > > Gee I ican't belive that Enigma has all these fans. Personally I think Enigma is COOL. I have McMxC a.D. and the cross of changes and wouldn't trade them for anything. I can't wait to get the third album and will just as soon as I get the money to do so ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 22:09:53 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: My presentation To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> >> Hey Asker, >> Wow! I can't believe that there is someone else who likes >>Kitaro! I have around 17 of his albums (most of which I have never seen >>since I bought it!) The best one is Mandala. How is the limited edition >>MCMXC album? I would love to hear the remixes at the end? Does it have a >>remix of The Rivers of Beleif? Deep Forest is cool too. >> James Roman >> jroman@mail.utexas.edu >> >> >I have actually never bought a Kitaro album (I've only seen one or two in >record stores, one only a week ago, the soundtrack for Heaven and Hell - i >liked it), but this summer a friend visited me and had some tapes. I loved >them. But I'll remember Mandala, got to check it out... > >As of the limited edition of MCMXC a.D., it contains some additional >tracks(remixes): > >VIII. SADENESS (MEDITATION) >IX. MEA CULPA (FADING SHADES) >X. PRINCIPLES OF LUST (EVERLASTING LUST) >XI. THE RIVERS OF BELIEF (THE RETURNING SILENCE) > >It was because I had seen The Principles Of Lust video I knew I had to get >the limited edition! (My brother already owned the normal version.) I think >it's GREAT! > >If you own the normal version, try to get the limited edition and sell off >the other! All the normal tracks are there, it's just an added bonus! Here >in Sweden I still see it from time to time in the record stores. > >/Asker > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > / Asker Brodersen - a Creative Programming student at HGS, Sweden / > | Email: kp95abn@kp.hgs.se | > | URL: http://www.hgs.se/~kp95abn | > | | > / (And yes, I will make a nicer signature soon.) / >---------------------------------[EOF]----------------------------------- > > Asker, I think I will definitely buy the limited edition album. It's for sale on the internet (CDNow) for 22.95. I would love the Principles of Lust single, but I haven't found it. Did you know that Enigma has a video called Visions of Sadeness? I'm not sure, but it contains all the videos for the MCMXC album. It's also for sale on CDNow, but for 70 dollars! (I don't know how much the dollar is equivalent to in Sweden, but that's a lot of money for a videotape!) James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 21:18:06 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: My presentation To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Asker and James, Wow!!!! You like Kitaro too!!!!! My favorite is "Lady of Dreams." It is so full of passion and romance!!!! You guys have great taste in music!!!!!! Forever Dream.................(Smile!!!!) Rachelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona angelmac@amug.org - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 09:53:02 -0500 From: sb7421@starfish.acs.brockport.edu (Steve Buck) Subject: Myself To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Everybody, I've just joined this list, and I guess that there are some things that I should do to let everyone know who I am. My name is Steve Buck, and I'm 19 yrs old. I like Enigma very much, but I have the feeling that I have a small collection compared to most people around here. I have the two US release albums, and then I have the "Return to Innocence" single, and I have the "Mea Culpa II" single also. I first started listening when they first released the "Cross of Changes" album, one of my friends played it for me, and then later that afternoon, I owned that album along with the first one. I like the music very much, it is great to listen to, and it has also served as a great relaxation tool for me as well. Most of the other music that I listen to is techno/trance/ambient/or hardcore. I have a few Brian Eno cd's, a lot of Moby cd's, a few of Messiah (21st century Jesus) cd's, and some homeade tapes by some dj's that I like. I'm also a big U2 fan, I have just about all of their U2 release albums. Finally I've people have introduced me to "Enigma-like bands" so I've ordered a Dead Can Dance cd, and I have just bought a Delerium cd. I've heard the delerium cd and I liked it, I'm looking forward to hearing the Dead Can Dance cd. For a job right now, besides being a full time student at SUNY Brockport in New York, I work remotly for a company called RISCmanagement. My main job there is taking care of their web page (http://www.riscman.com/). It does a good job of filling my spare time, keeping me behind my computer, and listening to music (I have to do something while I work!!!). At Brockport I am a student in Computer Science and Math. That's pretty much all there is about me. And hopefully I'll be talking to all you in time!! --- Steve Buck "We're mild and green And squeaky clean" -Bono ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 20:06:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Daniel D. Huckaby" Subject: New Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Is there a third Enigma album out or soon to be out? Daniel Huckaby ddh9281@tam2000.tamu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:59:33 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: New Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Is there a third Enigma album out or soon to be out? > Daniel Huckaby > ddh9281@tam2000.tamu.edu > Hey, Daniel Enigma 3 will be out in the fall of 1996. They will do a concert after its release. James Roman jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:10:32 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: New Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. > Enigma 3 will be out in the fall of 1996. They will do a > concert after its release. WHOA! Let's not make sweeping statements like this: 1. Enigma 3 is due in Autumn 1996 in Europe. It is a rough release date. 2. A concert is far from definite after it's release. Too many people jumped to this conclusion after I reported Michael Cretu sharing information about CONSIDERING doing a concer after Enigma 3. He himself stressed that it was only an idea for now. So, please don't jump to conclusions! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** ** ** ENIGMA WWW ** ** (Australiasia): http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ** (United States): http://www.spikes.com/enigma ** *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 06:19:56 -0800 From: angelmac@amug.org (Rachelle L. Hamblin) Subject: New Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi. > >> Enigma 3 will be out in the fall of 1996. They will do a >> concert after its release. > >WHOA! Let's not make sweeping statements like this: > >1. Enigma 3 is due in Autumn 1996 in Europe. It is a rough release date. > >2. A concert is far from definite after it's release. Too many people jumped > to this conclusion after I reported Michael Cretu sharing information about > CONSIDERING doing a concer after Enigma 3. He himself stressed that it was > only an idea for now. > > >So, please don't jump to conclusions! > > >Gavin Stok >(Enigma Mailing List President) Hello, Again, the man speaks the truth. Your too cool Gavin!!!!! Smile!!!! Sincerely, Rachelle L. Hamblin-Phx., AZ, USA > >*********************************************************************** >** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** >** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** >** ** >** ENIGMA WWW ** >** (Australiasia): http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** >** (United States): http://www.spikes.com/enigma ** >*********************************************************************** - _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:37:57 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: New Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, James Roman wrote: > >Is there a third Enigma album out or soon to be out? > > Daniel Huckaby > > ddh9281@tam2000.tamu.edu > > > > Hey, Daniel > Enigma 3 will be out in the fall of 1996. They will do a > concert after its release. > James Roman > jroman@mail.utexas.edu > > WHERE ??????????????????????????? Is anybody planning on taping the concert ??? If so I want that bootleg :) Please tell me that it is somewhere on the eastern side of Canada :) (i know, i have no hope of seeing them :( ) Karen :*) Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada...ie. the middle of no where ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 01:32:10 EDT From: Sahar_Oz@mts.cc.wayne.edu Subject: Newcomer with questions To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi T! My name is Sahar Oz (like the desert and the wizard) and I am a newcomer at this mailing list. I read some of the mail concerning what topics should and should not be discussed at this mailing listy. Well, I think my questions are valid. The first pertains to Michael Cretu's work with Hubert KaH. Remember Hubert KaH? They were a German pop/dance group that hit it big in the 1980's here, there, but not everywhere. Well, I bought what I think is the latest available CD single by Hubert KaH, "C'est La Vie." However, Michael Cretu's name was not listed in the credits, if memory serves me right. I wonder if anybody knows if Michael Cretu has worked with Hubert KaH since 1990. He produced, co-produced (with armond VollkerAa), and co-wrote almost every song by Hubert KaH ont he two albums I have by the band, <> (1989) and <> (1990). Cretu's work with Hubert KaH is EXCELLENT! Question #2: Does anyone know of any available singles on CD by Sandra other than "Nights In White Satin?" I'm referring to CD singles from the current album. Question #3: I have seen several of Michael Cretu's solo albums in various stores here in Michigan. Of course they were not cheap, because they are imports. I haven't gotten the chance to listen to any of the albums, but I am tempted to do so soon. What should I expect? Is the music similar to Enigma? Question #4: When I was in Israel for a month (late July thru late August), I stumbled upon an Enigma CD which looked like the <> album (same cover, etc.) but had 3 extra bonus mixes of "Return To Innocense," "Eyes Of Truth," and "Out From The Deep." The CD was EXTREMELY expensive, so I didn't buy it. But does anyone know how rare this special album is and how good the mixes are? I hope to hear from somebody or somebodies about my questions and any other issues which you music-lovers raise. I must say that I have enjoyed reading a lot of the info which has passed through my screen in the last day! Au revoir, Sahar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:20:03 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Newcomer with questions To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! You wrote: > valid. The first pertains to Michael Cretu's work with Hubert KaH. Remember > Hubert KaH? They were a German pop/dance group that hit it big in the 1980's > here, there, but not everywhere. Well, I bought what I think is the latest > available CD single by Hubert KaH, "C'est La Vie." However, Michael Cretu's > name was not listed in the credits, if memory serves me right. I wonder if > anybody knows if Michael Cretu has worked with Hubert KaH since 1990. He I heard a rumor from a member on this list that there is a new Hubert KaH single out from either this year or last but am unsure of its name or credits. > Question #2: Does anyone know of any available singles on CD by Sandra other > than "Nights In White Satin?" I'm referring to CD singles from the current > album. The only other single released from "Fading shades" thus far has been "Won't Run Away" which was released in Europe around 1-1.5 months ago. It contains around 4 mixes by Jens Gad. > Question #3: I have seen several of Michael Cretu's solo albums in various > stores here in Michigan. Of course they were not cheap, because they are > imports. I haven't gotten the chance to listen to any of the albums, but I am > tempted to do so soon. What should I expect? Is the music similar to Enigma? I have heard Cretu & Theirs "Belle Epoque" (1988) which is very good male-orientated European pop/rock and "Die Chinesische Mauer" which I thought was average and beared little resemblence to Enigma. He has done many other albums than there two though. > Question #4: When I was in Israel for a month (late July thru late August), > I stumbled upon an Enigma CD which looked like the <> album > (same cover, etc.) but had 3 extra bonus mixes of "Return To Innocense," "Eyes > Of Truth," and "Out From The Deep." The CD was EXTREMELY expensive, so I > didn't buy it. But does anyone know how rare this special album is and how > good the mixes are? This is the "Special Limited Edition" of "the CROSS of Changes" - the extra 3 mixes come from the CD singles to the album (they are the best one from each in my opinion). The album is easy to find in Australia and scarcer in Europe and the US. It is not extremely rare overall. As for the mixes, well they are a very different look at each track but extraordinarily good with a nice blend of dance and Enigma. > I hope to hear from somebody or somebodies about my questions and any > other issues which you music-lovers raise. I must say that I have enjoyed > reading a lot of the info which has passed through my screen in the last day! Glad to see that!!! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 95 20:29 PDT From: kahlker@europa.com (Rob Kahlke) Subject: New Member Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au As a new member of the list I'd love for you to introduce yourself since it is a great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your presence. Information you should include are: * Name Rob Kahlke * Age 34 * What is in your Enigma collection Age of Loneliness The Eyes of Truth The Cross of Changes Return to Innocence MCMXC a.D. Sadeness part 1 Mea Culpa Part 2 The Videos (Part 1) * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are Hmmm... Big enough to try and get all the music I can by Enigma and related artists * Other artists you like Too numerous to mention. I think I will wait to see what the rest of the group likes before I jump in. * What course or job you're doing (if any) I am a mathematician/software engineer at a medical equipment manufacturer. I am working on a master's in math. * Any other interesting information you wish to share If anyone can tell me how to get any Enigma music or videos I don't have, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks! It's great to be here! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 20:32:16 +0200 From: Alejandro Lopez Ruiz Subject: New reader To: "enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au" ¡Hi everybody! I'm a new "user" of this list, i'm 24 years old, i'm from Spain. I have three albums of enigma: 1.- MCMXC a.D. 2.- MCMXC a.D. (The Limited Edition) 3.- The Cross of Changes Is there any more? and, when a new album from Enigma?, the last one was record two years ago. Saludos: Alejandro ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 14:09:25 -0500 (CDT) From: chee moua Subject: new reader To: Enigma I am Chee Moua and I'm 18. Right now I,m at UMD and I'm very glad to be here. Anyway, I first heard of Enigma 5 years ago and loved it ever since. I now have both US releases and enjoy them very much. I'm also a very very big fan of Sandra. I have here Everlasting Love that made it to the states and also her 18 Greatest Hits album. I have her other albums too, but they're on cassette. Her other albums are very hard to find on CD, but I'm still looking. Have any of you guys heard her new Fading Shades album yet? I haven't yet, but I can't wait to here it. If anybody has heard it, drop me a line and tell me how it is. Until next time.... -Chee Moua cmoua@ub.d.umn.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:53:47 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: OTFD US Promo question To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. > Is Enigma Norwiegen, German or French? Will there be an Enigma > part ]I[, and whats Out fromthe Deep... It sounds VERY familiar.. I like > Enigma ][ very much.... Especially Return to Innocence.... To quickly answer: 1. Enigma is a project of a man called Michael Cretu who was born in Romania. 2. Enigma 3 is due in Europe in Autumn 1996. 3. Out from the Deep is the final single from Enigma's latest album "the CROSS of Changes" If you have a World Wide Web browser point it to http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html or http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html to learn a lot more! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 10:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaysam Thanki Subject: OTFD US Promo question To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Hi. > > > Is Enigma Norwiegen, German or French? Will there be an Enigma > > part ]I[, and whats Out fromthe Deep... It sounds VERY familiar.. I like > > Enigma ][ very much.... Especially Return to Innocence.... > > To quickly answer: > > 1. Enigma is a project of a man called Michael Cretu who was born in Romania. > 2. Enigma 3 is due in Europe in Autumn 1996. > 3. Out from the Deep is the final single from Enigma's latest album "the CROSS > of Changes" I thought it sounded familiar.. My Cross of Changes CD Case is buried somewhere under some huge clothes somewhere... > If you have a World Wide Web browser point it to > http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html or > http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html > to learn a lot more! I tried the Norweigan site, must try the other... Does Michael Cretu compose and create all of these pieces? If so thats one amazing man! Great stuff hes churning out... Bye Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:40:19 -0400 From: triant@pegasus.montclair.edu (Constantine Triantafillou) Subject: Personal Ifo To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >YOUR HOMEWORK! O.K! * Name: Constantine Triantafillou * Age: 22 * What is in your Enigma collection: MCMX A.D (CD, US Charisma) Cross of Changes Also, I have almost all Sandra albums (1985-1992) except the new one's. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: Here in the US. I know that Enigma is Sandra with her husband Michael Cretu. What I like from Enigma is the music. * Other artists you like: Pet Shop Boys, Michael Cretu, A-HA, e.t.c * What course or job you're doing (if any): for the moment, none. * Any other interesting information you wish to share: I live in NJ, USA. I am doing my masters degree in computer science. I am not an American though, I am Greek. I am actually a fan of electronic and space musics, synth-pop, light rock, some techno, Sandra e.t.c ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:53:53 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Principle of Lust To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, it's James. I was just wondering if there is any way I could order the single "Principles of Lust" straight from Enigma, or the record company, or something? Please write back if you have this information? James jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 14:00:26 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Recent News To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all. Just wanted to keep you all update with happenings to do with this mailing list and the Web site: 1. We now have the support of Sony Music Australia, some of their product which I will be reviewing soon. 2. We now have the support of MRA Entertainment Group which are a mail order company here in Australia who specialise in new age and similar works. I have some of their product which I will be reviewing soon. 3. Contact with Enigma management has become slower and slower. Unfortunately my letters are rarely answered without a follow-up phone call or fax. Due to no response from the (controversial) auction earlier this year I have inadequete funds to regularly call or fax Germany. Consequently, my contact with Enigma and Enigma management will be literally non-existent until at least early-mid 1996 when more Enigma news should be known. 4. We now have approximately 425 members and the number is rising! 5. Since its beginnings last month, the Official Enigma Web Site has had approximately 6,500 page accesses. All in all it seems that the interest in Enigma and related artists is as high as it's always been. On this list and in the newsgroups there is constant questioning about old releases, suggested music "which sounds like Enigma", and when Enigma 3 is due. I am hopeful that we may continue to learn about Enigma and related artists for our future listening pleasure! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) ****************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** Enigma WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 14:30:11 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: REVIEW: Belle Epoque by Cretu and Thiers [1988] To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au REVIEW: BELLE EPOQUE BY CRETU AND THIERS [1988] Virgin Records: 258 578-222 Reviewer * Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) It came as a surprise to me to find this album in my local second-hand store. Released in 1988, the same year as Sandra's Into a Secret Land, it was a project where Sandra's albums are gone; instead there is Simon Phillips & Curt Cress on drums, Peter Weihe on guitars, and even the London Gospel Center Choir on one track! The style of Belle Epoque is one of European pop/rock. However, I wouldn't consider it to be as apparent as on Sandra's albums. The majority of the tracks are upbeat songs, with Mona Lisa standing out as the best track on the album, and Captain Right & Crazy Life being other good tracks. There are also two slower songs (Waterfall and Snowin' Under my Skin) which also hold up well. Overall the tracks bring together a nice blend of melody and instrumentation without being repetitive. It can take some time to become comfortable with Tissy Thiers' unique voice, but once comfortable with it you find he adds emotion to the tracks. Michael Cretu's involvement in this album is both as keyboardist and producer. Some of his trademark sounds and styles are dotted across some tracks, particular in Mona Lisa and Waterfall where he uses the shakira (sp?) which became the trademark sound in MCMXC a.D.. However, the one used in this album does not sound the same as he eventually used in 1990. In this album I feel he has done an exceptional job of raising the emotions of the tracks at the right spot, often by choosing the right instruments and samples. Overall I thoroughly enjoyed this album and recommend it to any Sandra or Enigma fan; Sandra fans will love the European rock/pop style with the male edge, and Enigma fans will love the use of instrumentation and mixing which Michael Cretu does so well. Review is (C)opyright 1995 Gavin Stok This review is also available on the WWW at: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Belle1.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 15:18:18 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au REVIEW: BOHEME BY DEEP FOREST [1995] Sony Records: 478623-2 Reviewer * Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) CD Provider * Sony Records (Sydney, Australia) I was surprised upon listening to Boheme, at just how much Deep Forest's sound has changed since their first album Deep Forest (also known as World Mix) which was released in Australia in early 1992 and the US in April 1993. The change can be compared with Enigma - the overall sound on the second album, the CROSS of Changes was much darker than on the first, MCMXC a.D.. The first album had Greogian chants and high-pitched panflute sounds, yet the second had Eastern chants and deep chords. Yet, somewhere, amongst the mix on the second album the unmistakable style of Enigma was still there. And so it follows now with Deep Forest - the whole mix of the album and the source of the samples are totally different, yet their unmistakable sound is still apparent. The most apparent change on Boheme is that most of the samples taken (notably chants from Hungary) are lengthy and used to give the impression that each track is a song with the chant being the lead vocal. This differs greatly from their first album where the samples were short, high-pitched, and only part of the overall mix of flutes and other electronic sounds. Because of this use of the samples, I feel this album could be better described as World Music than Electronic/Dance (which I consider the first album to be). On the majority of tracks, you will not find a fast paced dance beat with quirky sounds and rhythms to dance to. Instead you will find an interesting and varying mix of slow melodic electronic chords, indescribable chants, and accordians (Deep Folk Song, Boheme). You will also find that many songs jump around in styles - Freedom Cry jumps from electronic chords and a chant sung as a lead vocal, to a frollicking wind instrument complete with dance rhythm. The first track, Anasthasia serves as the introduction with deep bass sounds and long chords, then jumps into Bohemian Ballet which is more uptempo and uses great sound effects on the vocals. Boheme serves more as a listening experience than a dancing experience. One very positive aspect about Boheme is that it has an incredibly wide variety of new and original samples and does not suffer from repetitiveness like the first album did. Listen to the album with headphones and you will pick up on samples played very quietly in the background; listen to the album on a stereo system and upon each listen you will find new samples you didn't recall hearing before. It is for this reason that it takes some time for Boheme to grow on you - not only do you have to readjust your thinking not to expect it to sound anything like Deep Forest/World Mix but then you have to adjust to a style and mix of music you will probably not be accustomed to. So how does the album hold up? After listening to it many times, I feel that the use of samples, the mixing of these samples within each track, and the various sound and stereo effects used are exceptional. However, this album suffers the opposite of the first - it is too varied! I find it hard to become comfortable with the album because one track is so totally different in style to the others. I found the more upbeat tracks to be more appealing than the slower ones with Bohemian Ballet, Twosome, and Cafe Europa standing out as my favourites. If you are a fan of the first album, do not buy Boheme until you've listened to it. If you are a fan of ethnic and world music as well as electronic music, then this album is for you! On a final trivial note, you will find that the artist of a sample on this album was also used by Enigma for the CROSS of Changes, this being the Aborigines on Taiwan. This review is (C)opyright 1995, Gavin Stok This review is also available on the WWW at: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Boheme1.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 11:52:59 -0700 From: prr@sirius.com (thrifty orbit) Subject: REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Gavin Wrote: > REVIEW: BOHEME BY DEEP FOREST [1995] If you are a fan of the first album, do not buy Boheme > until you've listened to it. If you are a fan of ethnic and world > music as well as electronic music, then this album is for you! I agree. I'm a HUGE fan of the First Deep Forest album and I think the follow-up is terrible. It isn't really a Deep Forest album. It is just another entry in the world beat ethno pop genre, and it comes off more like a various artists comp than a album with a single vision/sound. It also lacks the anonymity and innocence of the first one. I think this is also true of the second Enigma album. (Which I won't spend much time dissing on the Enigma mailing list.) Suffice it to say that albums with the singular vision and uniqueness of DF & E's debuts rarely offer good follow-ups. And I think what makes both of the freshman efforts superb is their lack of any ego present. I can't say that about the sophomore efforts. It's the Bono effect! While I agree that Curly MC does know how to shuffle a pretty sexy beat, Let's face it: what was really exciting about Enigma's debut was not Michael or Sandra's singing as much as it was the big fat resonance of the Gregorian chants put to that sexy beat. I want music that is anonymous: music that amazes and SURPRISES the artist that creates it. Music that comes from the Muse: not music that appears to demonstrate the talent or skill or imperialistic abilities of the artist. That's why Eno is God and the cult of personaality is a risk. (Irony intended) If you're looking for music that sounds Like enigma, why not got out and get some Gregorian Chants? In my search off the beaten path of pop/rock I have found prayer music from around the world to be the most fulfilling. In the interest of making friends and keeping down the flames I'll try to end on a positive note: I ran a record store for 7 years and was exposed to a lot of music and I can easily say that the DF & E debuts sit comfortably in my top 25 of all Time! I'll also try to follow up this post with a few blurbs about other Cd's that I'm happy I don't have to live without. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:05:25 -0400 From: kp95abn@student.hgs.se (Asker Brodersen) Subject: REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Gavin Wrote: > >> REVIEW: BOHEME BY DEEP FOREST [1995] > If you are a fan of the first album, do not buy Boheme >> until you've listened to it. If you are a fan of ethnic and world >> music as well as electronic music, then this album is for you! > >I agree. I'm a HUGE fan of the First Deep Forest album and I think the >follow-up is terrible. It isn't really a Deep Forest album. It is just >another entry in the world beat ethno pop genre, and it comes off more like >a various artists comp than a album with a single vision/sound. It also >lacks the anonymity and innocence of the first one. >I think this is also true of the second Enigma album. (Which I won't spend >much time dissing on the Enigma mailing list.) I totally disagreee! Enigma 2 and Deep Forest's Boheme are amongst the very few CD's (the only ones I believe) that I have bought without even bothering to listen to them first, and I have never regretted it!! Boheme does in my opinion match up to the first Deep Forest album. Maybe not at first, it's different - much like Gavin wrote, but as you listen to it a couple of times, it really grows on you! I would go mad if anyone stole my CD! This mail is not intended as a flame or anything, it's just to show that there also are people really enjoying about this record. Of course, it's all a matter of opinion... :) /Asker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ / Asker Brodersen - a Creative Programming student at HGS, Sweden / | Email: kp95abn@kp.hgs.se | | URL: http://www.hgs.se/~kp95abn | | | / (And yes, I will make a nicer signature soon.) / ---------------------------------[EOF]----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 21:39:52 -0400 From: rtemple@cnct.com (R. Temple) Subject: REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Gavin Wrote: > >> REVIEW: BOHEME BY DEEP FOREST [1995] > If you are a fan of the first album, do not buy Boheme >> until you've listened to it. If you are a fan of ethnic and world >> music as well as electronic music, then this album is for you! > >I agree. I'm a HUGE fan of the First Deep Forest album and I think the >follow-up is terrible. It isn't really a Deep Forest album. It is just >another entry in the world beat ethno pop genre, and it comes off more like >a various artists comp than a album with a single vision/sound. It also I had the chance to listen to the CD via the try out area in a bookstore. It is not good at all. I did however buy a CD by Loreena McKennitt. Real interesting so far. I don't know yet if it was worth it to buy it because it is only 4 min. into it.... ********************** * rtemple@cnct.com * * Brooklyn, New York * ********************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 1995 23:33:28 -0500 (CDT) From: geoghegan michael pa Subject: REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >Gavin Wrote: > > > >> REVIEW: BOHEME BY DEEP FOREST [1995] > > If you are a fan of the first album, do not buy Boheme > >> until you've listened to it. If you are a fan of ethnic and world > >> music as well as electronic music, then this album is for you! > > > >I agree. I'm a HUGE fan of the First Deep Forest album and I think the > >follow-up is terrible. It isn't really a Deep Forest album. It is just > >another entry in the world beat ethno pop genre, and it comes off more like > >a various artists comp than a album with a single vision/sound. It also > >lacks the anonymity and innocence of the first one. > >I think this is also true of the second Enigma album. (Which I won't spend > >much time dissing on the Enigma mailing list.) > > I totally disagreee! > Enigma 2 and Deep Forest's Boheme are amongst the very few CD's (the only > ones I believe) that I have bought without even bothering to listen to them > first, and I have never regretted it!! > Boheme does in my opinion match up to the first Deep Forest album. Maybe not > at first, it's different - much like Gavin wrote, but as you listen to it a > couple of times, it really grows on you! I would go mad if anyone stole my CD! > > This mail is not intended as a flame or anything, it's just to show that > there also are people really enjoying about this record. > > Of course, it's all a matter of opinion... :) > > /Asker > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > / Asker Brodersen - a Creative Programming student at HGS, Sweden / > | Email: kp95abn@kp.hgs.se | > | URL: http://www.hgs.se/~kp95abn | > | | > / (And yes, I will make a nicer signature soon.) / > ---------------------------------[EOF]----------------------------------- > > I agree completely with Asker. I mean I bought the Deep Forest Boheme CD without hearing a song from it. The first time I listened to it, I thought "Could Deep Forest have actually put this out?" But after that it just stuck to me. Especially the track entitled Freedom Cry. Which didn't really take a hold of me until I listened to it through my earphones. The music of Boheme may be different, but it is still awesome. This does of course depend on the listener's ability to cope with a change in a group's musical style. If you don't like change don't get Boheme, but if you want music that engulfs you and delivers an outstanding audio experience then BUY IT!! (I would like to mention, since everyone else has done the same, that these are my opinions. Listen to them only if you feel like it.) Michael If you'd like to, send e-mail to geoghega@students.uiuc.edu Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 00:26:00 -0700 From: prr@sirius.com (thrifty orbit) Subject: REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>Michael If you'd like to, send e-mail to geoghega@students.uiuc.edu Thanks. <<< Michael, What is this e-mail address and what should I e-mail them about? thrifty orbit ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:59:37 -0500 (CDT) From: geoghegan michael pa Subject: REVIEW: Boheme by Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sun, 24 Sep 1995, thrifty orbit wrote: > >>Michael > > If you'd like to, send e-mail to geoghega@students.uiuc.edu > Thanks. <<< > > Michael, > What is this e-mail address and what should I e-mail them about? > > > thrifty orbit > > > Sorry if that wasn't very clear. The e-mail address I listed is my own. If you had any questions or comments about what I had said about Boheme please e-mail me there. Again sorry for the confusion. Michael Geoghegan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 13:48:15 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: S3M's To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. > Does ANYONE know where to get S3M/DMF/XM/MOD/669 files ofEnigma > tunes or enigma like tunes? I know theres a Return to Innocence remix on > Starport bbs (ftp.mpoli.fi) but thats nothing like it unfortunately... If > anyone knows or has any modules please tell... I would like to listen to > them, possibly better quality than the tape i have... must get a cd of it :) There used to be sound samples available from a site in Norway or Sweden but apparently the record companies found out and sent out legal notices to the owner of the site (breach of copyright). Consequently those sound samples are no longer available. Joar's WWW site used to have links to them (http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html) and may give more details. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 14:19:42 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Sandra's children To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, I just wanted to let you all know that Nikita and Sebastian Cretu were born on July the 6th, and that they are in good health. (I read it in a German magazine) Robin R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 95 14:20:17 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Sarah Brightman To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au To all Sarah Brightman fans on this list : There'll be a new album, called "Surrender", out soon. When I know more I'll let you know, and if someone else knows something, please let me know it. Robin R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:41:00 MST From: "Josh Johnson" Subject: saying hello!! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Enigma fans! I'm a new member of this list! My name is Josh Johnson. I'm 14 years old. My Enigma collection includes both of the Enigma CDs, and the Return To Innocence CD single. I am very interested in aqiring more merchandise, music, and collectibles. I am a very, very, very big fan of Enigma. I first heard Enigma in a music store and from the very first time I heard Sadeness( Part 1), I was very hooked on Enigma!! Some other artists I like are Deep Forest, Dead Can Dance, and Ace Of Base. I hope that I can learn a lot of stuff about Enigma from this list and I am glad to be in it!! Thanks!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 20:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam N. Cimand" Subject: Sounds like... To: Enigma Mailing List I've just bought a CD called "Strange Cargo III" by a William Orbit. I've not familiar with previous work of Orbit, but I have to tell you that the first two tracks sound almost like Enigma ripoffs. It is very nice music, and I'm sure any Enigma fan will enjoy it. I do think it will never be as successful as Enigma because it doesn't seem to be very coherent in style - not even in the single tracks. Try it! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 95 07:45:59 +0000 From: quadrig@ibm.net Subject: Sounds like... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > >I've just bought a CD called "Strange Cargo III" by a William Orbit. > >I've not familiar with previous work of Orbit, but I have to tell you >that the first two tracks sound almost like Enigma ripoffs. > >It is very nice music, and I'm sure any Enigma fan will enjoy it. I do >think it will never be as successful as Enigma because it doesn't seem to >be very coherent in style - not even in the single tracks. > >Try it! Hi, I found this CD in a CD store too, but I had no chance to hear it :-( because the CD was wrapped. How sound the other songs of "Strange Cargo III"? But I had the chance to read about William Orbit: He's a Studio-Engineer and worked in the Eighties together with Sting, Madonna, Prince... The Eighties were also the time when he started some projects like Bass-O-Matic, Strange Cargo (4 LPs) or Torch Song (2 LPs). Nowadays Orbit wants to be independent from charts or clubs, he wants to experiment with music; therefore he founded his new label N-Gram. (from: WOM Journal 8/95, Germany) Thomas Eisermann, Quadriga (Berlin/Germany) e-Mail: quadrig@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:11:59 -0500 (CDT) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Sounds like... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >I've not familiar with previous work of Orbit, but I have to tell you > >that the first two tracks sound almost like Enigma ripoffs. Maybe I'm being a bit trivial, but seeing as William Orbit is an incredible composer, arranger, and producer, its hard to swallow the idea that he was even trying to sound like, let alone ripoff, the Enigma sound. MC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 17:17:48 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Sounds like... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy. It was written: > >I've just bought a CD called "Strange Cargo III" by a William Orbit. > > > >I've not familiar with previous work of Orbit, but I have to tell you > >that the first two tracks sound almost like Enigma ripoffs. I can't see where you get that impression from. I too own the album and love the first track (Water From a Vine Leaf) - it mixes an orginal blend of instrumentation (the piano one for example) and mixing (the dramatics towards the end).... Where do you see the Enigma similarities? Because it uses a piano sample? Because it has some chants? > >It is very nice music, and I'm sure any Enigma fan will enjoy it. I do > >think it will never be as successful as Enigma because it doesn't seem to > >be very coherent in style - not even in the single tracks. I do agree with this. The first track is fantastic and it goes down from there. The style is very experimental and only works successfully for me on some tracks. Now if only I could find the CD single to "Water..." > But I had the chance to read about William Orbit: > He's a Studio-Engineer and worked in the Eighties together with Sting, Madonna, > Prince... The Eighties were also the time when he started some projects like > Bass-O-Matic, Strange Cargo (4 LPs) or Torch Song (2 LPs). Nowadays Orbit wants > to be independent from charts or clubs, he wants to experiment with music; > therefore he founded his new label N-Gram. > (from: WOM Journal 8/95, Germany) William Orbit also has his first album out on this label called "Hinterland". He no longer calls himself William Orbit but "Strange Cargo". I've also heard a sample CD which shows some work he is either involved in or producing - he is getting involved in some very experimental works! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 16:57:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam N. Cimand" Subject: Sounds like... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sun, 17 Sep 1995, Mark Conklin wrote: > Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:11:59 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mark Conklin > To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Subject: Re: Sounds like... > > > >I've not familiar with previous work of Orbit, but I have to tell you > > >that the first two tracks sound almost like Enigma ripoffs. > > Maybe I'm being a bit trivial, but seeing as William Orbit is an incredible > composer, arranger, and producer, its hard to swallow the idea that he was > even trying to sound like, let alone ripoff, the Enigma sound. > > MC I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that they were ripoffs. Just that they sounded ALMOST like ripoffs. Let me warn everybody ahead of time about me speaking very literally. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 17:02:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam N. Cimand" Subject: Sounds like... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Mon, 18 Sep 1995, Enigmatic wrote: > >I've just bought a CD called "Strange Cargo III" by a William Orbit. > >I've not familiar with previous work of Orbit, but I have to tell you > >that the first two tracks sound almost like Enigma ripoffs. > > I can't see where you get that impression from. I too own the album and love > the first track (Water From a Vine Leaf) - it mixes an orginal blend of > instrumentation (the piano one for example) and mixing (the dramatics towards > the end).... Where do you see the Enigma similarities? Because it uses a piano > sample? Because it has some chants? I don't know how to explain it... When I first heard "Water From A Vine Leaf" on the radio (it was before I found Enigma on the 'Net) I was %100 sure it was a new Enigma song. At the time I only heard the last part of the piece, it had a woman singing with extremely instrumental music - I was just sure it was Enigma. > >It is very nice music, and I'm sure any Enigma fan will enjoy it. I do > >think it will never be as successful as Enigma because it doesn't seem to > >be very coherent in style - not even in the single tracks. > > I do agree with this. The first track is fantastic and it goes down from > there. The style is very experimental and only works successfully for me on > some tracks. Now if only I could find the CD single to "Water..." I would like that very much myself. I was not aware there was one. > Gavin Stok > (Enigma Mailing List President) Very nice meeting you, Mr. President. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Sep 1995 23:37:59 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: Special Editions!!! To: Enigma List Hi ... I was wondering if anyone would be as so kind to set up a trade or something of the sort with me. I'm from a city where trust me, they are lucky if they even carry Enigma's Cross of Changes CD..there is no place for me to the limited and special editions of their two main CDs. I'm willing to pay for shipping both to and from who would ever copy them for me...I have access to very little rare stuff outside Pearl Jam and Tragically Hip bootlegs. (and my high school band's CDs :)) Anyways...enough babbling I think you get the point...if you are interested in copy one or both for me...PLEASE E-MAIL ME!!!! Karen Sullivan |"Your only young once.... | but you can be immature, FOREVER!!!" r7nm@unb.ca | - my cousin Eric :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 0:54:40 EDT From: stgoh@chat.carleton.ca (SIAU-TONG GOH) Subject: Special Editions!!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au hi karan , happened to know that you're looking for a copy of enigma . i have " THE LIMITED EDITION " of MCMXC a .D. which i bought in Singapure 3 or 4 yrs ago . so , if you like , i can make a copy ( cassette ) for you . btw , i'm in canada for my undergraduate now . my email ad is stgoh@chat.carleton.ca . Tong Karen Sullivan writes: > > Hi ... > > I was wondering if anyone would be as so kind to set up a trade or > something of the sort with me. I'm from a city where trust me, they are > lucky if they even carry Enigma's Cross of Changes CD..there is no place > for me to the limited and special editions of their two main CDs. I'm > willing to pay for shipping both to and from who would ever copy them for > me...I have access to very little rare stuff outside Pearl Jam and > Tragically Hip bootlegs. (and my high school band's CDs :)) > > Anyways...enough babbling I think you get the point...if you are > interested in copy one or both for me...PLEASE E-MAIL ME!!!! > > Karen Sullivan |"Your only young once.... > | but you can be immature, FOREVER!!!" > r7nm@unb.ca | - my cousin Eric :) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ENIGMA+MCMXC a.D. Carleton University Email address: stgoh@chat.carleton.ca "Somewhere deep in the jungle,are living some little men and women. They are your past.Maybe......and maybe they are your future." -Deep Forest ||||||||||||||||||||||||PERMAS KUKUP|||||||||||||||||||||| !!!!!!!!!!!!!!MILAN ASSOCIAZIONE CALCIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:41:17 -0400 From: EnigmaServ@AOL.COM Subject: Special Editions!!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Karen, I would be delighted. Give me more details. I have lots of Enigma CD's, Pink Floyd, and hundreds and hundreds more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Sep 95 18:02:40 PDT From: kclouser@brutus.bright.net Subject: Special Editions!!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Karen , I love Pink Floyd!!! Have you ever seen his video The Wall?? It Rulz!!!!!!!!!!! Ben GGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYY MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! E-mail: kclouser@brutus.bright.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 09:18:20 --100 From: v922259@si.hhs.nl Subject: Stone Age To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Anyone out there familliar with a British group called Stone > Edge? I saw a video of their's a while ago, called "It Is Said". Rather > Enigma-like. Anyone know anything about them? It is mainly French, but there are a few artists from the UK in it too. I bought it because half of the band of Jean Michel Jarre was in it (Patrick Rondat, Dominique Perrier and Michel Vally). After listening it I was completely stunned by the music. It's a combination of Enigma, Enya and Mike Oldfield. However, the song "It is Said" doesn't sound familiar to me. Greetings Coen v/d Geest v922259@si.hhs.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 17:01:15 -0300 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Stone Age To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 21 Sep 1995 v922259@si.hhs.nl wrote: > > Anyone out there familliar with a British group called Stone > > Edge? I saw a video of their's a while ago, called "It Is Said". Rather > > Enigma-like. Anyone know anything about them? > > It is mainly French, but there are a few artists from the UK in it too. I > bought it because half of the band of Jean Michel Jarre was in it (Patrick > Rondat, Dominique Perrier and Michel Vally). After listening it I was > completely stunned by the music. It's a combination of Enigma, Enya and > Mike Oldfield. > > However, the song "It is Said" doesn't sound familiar to me. > Thanks for the help guys, but I'm pretty sure that it was Edge not Age. The title, "It Is Said" was actually a translation of something, in brackets, after the title. ____________________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@ccn.cs.dal.ca) "Aestheticly pleasing, in other words fly." -Soul Coughing ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:42:52 +0200 From: Per Terje Aune Subject: Stone Age To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 17:01 21.09.95 -0300, you wrote: > > > >On Thu, 21 Sep 1995 v922259@si.hhs.nl wrote: > >> > Anyone out there familliar with a British group called Stone >> > Edge? I saw a video of their's a while ago, called "It Is Said". Rather >> > Enigma-like. Anyone know anything about them? >> >> It is mainly French, but there are a few artists from the UK in it too. I >> bought it because half of the band of Jean Michel Jarre was in it (Patrick >> Rondat, Dominique Perrier and Michel Vally). After listening it I was >> completely stunned by the music. It's a combination of Enigma, Enya and >> Mike Oldfield. >> >> However, the song "It is Said" doesn't sound familiar to me. >> > > Thanks for the help guys, but I'm pretty sure that it was Edge >not Age. The title, "It Is Said" was actually a translation of something, >in brackets, after the title. > Hi, I noticed a poster at school today about a band called Stone Edge. I didn't think of looking what it was, but I'll check on Monday if it's still up. I am VERY sure that the poster said Stone Edge, so you might be interested. ============================================================================= "Snail" mail to: Per Terje Aune E-mail to: perta@oslonett.no Brudalsvegen 29 WWW: http://www.oslonett.no/~perta/ 7080 HEIMDAL NORWAY Telephone: +47 72 58 03 59 ============================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:48:38 -0300 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Stone Edge To: Enigma Distribution List Anyone out there familliar with a British group called Stone Edge? I saw a video of their's a while ago, called "It Is Said". Rather Enigma-like. Anyone know anything about them? ____________________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@ccn.cs.dal.ca) "Aestheticly pleasing, in other words fly." -Soul Coughing ____________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Sep 1995 20:30:12 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Stone Edge To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. You wrote: > Anyone out there familliar with a British group called Stone > Edge? I saw a video of their's a while ago, called "It Is Said". Rather > Enigma-like. Anyone know anything about them? I think you mean Stone Age..... it's apparently a mixture of (uncredited) artists from England and other European countries who got together to do an album... I haven't heard it myself. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) ****************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** Enigma WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ****************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 20:05:46 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Stone Edge To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > Hi Netters! > Thanks for mentioning Stone Edge on this Web. I bought the CD and think its > great. The song Zo Laret (It is said) is the second song on this CD. The > first song on this CD is called Stone age. Maybe this will help clear up > some of the confusion. I think that those of you who like Enigma, Deep > Forest, Enya, Mike Oldfield will like this one! > > See ya! > ten.ten > imicro@oberon.ark.com > Island Microsystems > Dennis Barg > Phone (604)286-0624 > Fax (604)286-0102 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:15:03 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: STOP FOR A MINUTE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'm looking for a copy of theGerman TV movie SALU PALUE. That's the movie where SANDRA make an appearence and sings her hit STOP FOR A MINUTE. Actually the song , I believe it was made for the movie and that's why it came out as an extra track on EVERLASTING LOVE remix album. I bet you all didn't know there.he he he Can anybody out there help me??????????? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 07:12 MET DST From: Stephan Eberspaecher Subject: STOP FOR A MINUTE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >I'm looking for a copy of theGerman TV movie SALU PALUE. >That's the movie where SANDRA make an appearence and sings her hit STOP FOR >A MINUTE. Well, I =B4ve seen this film. Sometimes they repeat it. The Film isn=B4t a= good one of the "Tatort" Series. You can see Sandra only a few minutes singing her song in a Bar. That part is the Best of the whole film. Stevie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 10:43:53 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: STOP FOR A MINUTE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >I'm looking for a copy of theGerman TV movie SALU PALUE. >That's the movie where SANDRA make an appearence and sings her hit STOP FOR >A MINUTE. >Actually the song , I believe it was made for the movie and that's why it >came out as an extra track on EVERLASTING LOVE remix album. >I bet you all didn't know there.he he he >Can anybody out there help me??????????? > Yepp, "Salu Palu" is a sequel of the TV detective series "Tatort" and was shown for the first time in December '87 or January '88. I don't have a copy of it; maybe someone else ... or you're a lucky guy and the sequel will be repeated in the near future ... but that possibility is veeeery low ... INGE ******************************************* e-mail: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 22:01:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaysam Thanki Subject: STOP FOR A MINUTE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello... Is 1492: COnquest of Paradise Soundtrack written by Enigma/Michael/ Sandra? It sounds kinda simialr to their work... Bye ************************************************ * Jaysam Thanki : JThanki@Ecs.Fullerton.Edu * * CA, USA Jaysam.Thanki@207.sasbbs.com * *****************INTEL INSIDE******************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 00:52:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: STOP FOR A MINUTE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I believe the 1492 Conquest of Paradise soundtrack was written and composed by Vangelis (who also did the Blade Runner score). Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. :) ****************************************************************************** Judge Cody Kirkwood http://www.unt.edu/~judge/ judge@jove.acs.unt.edu The Eyes Of Truth Are Always Watching You There's always an option other than executing the Cobain manuever... ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 15:33:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "S. Jeffrey" Subject: STOP FOR A MINUTE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au 1492: Conquest of Paradise is written by Vangelis, a great film music composer. I think a lot of us here think that some of his music sounds like the music of Enigma. Shane jeffrey2@muvms6.mu.wvnet.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Sep 1995 21:04:54 +0500 From: cmartin@nycmetro.com Subject: STOP FOR A MINUTE To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au E>Hello... E> Is 1492: COnquest of Paradise Soundtrack written by Enigma/Michael/ E>Sandra? It sounds kinda simialr to their work... No, 1492 is by Vangelis who also did "Chariots of Fire" amongst a number of other wonderful pieces of work! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:32:06 -0500 (CDT) From: djbarke@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Daniel Barker) Subject: Telneting To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Charles, I wasn't planning to post this on the mailing list but when I tried to mail to you directly, it was returned as "host unknown".... >Do you have a Unix shell account? Yes I believe that is what I have. I'll try what you suggested. Thanks! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:14:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam N. Cimand" Subject: The Eyes of Truth remix - Dub Version (4th track on single) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Everyone has their own reason for liking Enigma. Some in this mailing-group like it because it fits in with their taste in classical music, and some because it fits in with their taste in heavy metal or 'industrial' music. I like it for only one reason. It is so very complex! Take the Dub Version remix of The Eyes of Truth (original is second track on Enigma 2 cd). If you have the single of The Eyes of Truth, the Dub Version remix is the 4th track. Play the song now, and COUNT the number of beats, i.e. background instruments, that accumulate before the song actually starts. There are eight (8!!!) background instruments. There is no other music I know that does that. In this particular song is it easy to discern, but this element of extremely complex background music exists in all the remixes and in some of the tracks on MCMXCaD and more so in The Cross of Changes. Just throwing in my two quarters, eh, cents. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 95 11:53:08 -0700 From: prr@sirius.com (thrifty orbit) Subject: The Real Sadness To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au How come I haven't seen any mention of this disc around here: "the ultimate compilation:Real Sadness & Other Gregorian Mysteries?" I don't really understand what it is. It appears to be, and sounds like, nine remixes, albeit unremarkable, of "Sadeness," with little 30-40 second blurbs called Ars Nova Parts I-IX in between them. Track one is called Nostradamus Sadeness Part I. Credited to (curly, gregorian). The other tracks have different names, each track having two names for some reason, and are credited to different people. The Ars Nova parts are credited to D Maier for dance street records. I don't recommend this disc but am curious about why it seems to not be spoken of here. Is it a blacklisted cheap and shameless capitalization? If no one knows what this is off the top of their head, I'll offer up a complete track listing for anyone more reknowned in a rigorous reading of recognizable names. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 16:46:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Resurrected artist Subject: The Real Sadness To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sat, 23 Sep 1995, thrifty orbit wrote: > How come I haven't seen any mention of this disc around here: "the ultimate > compilation:Real Sadness & Other Gregorian Mysteries?. > > Well, You missed it, my friend. As I remember we just discussed this album couple weeks ago. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:45:52 MST From: "Josh Johnson" Subject: The Real Sadness To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I would like to know the track listing for the Real Sadeness. Also, where is the CD available. Have you heard this CD? Does Nostradamus Sadeness sound anything like Enigma's Sadeness. Thanks!!Josh Johnson San Juan High School 311 N 100 E. Blanding, Utah 84511 "Somewhere, deep in the jungle, are living little men and women.They are, our past, and maybe, maybe they are your future!" Deep Forest" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 14:18:23 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: The recorded Enigma videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au YES, Inge did the incredible thing and programmed the VCR on Saturday night. And YES they showed Enigma. NO, Inge wasn't eaten by an alien or anything like that; just some trouble with our mail server didn't let me send any mails in the last few days! For those who expected hours full of videos: It runs just 35 minutes. The following tracks are to be seen: Mea culpa Sadeness Return to innocence The dream of the dolphin The eyes of truth The rivers of belief Then it starts from the beginning again: Mea culpa Sadeness Return to innocence ... and after just a few seconds of "The dream of the Dolphin" the programm was interrupted and the next show started. When I copy the tape I add "Principles of lust", that video clip I recorded a long time ago from a programm called "Lifestyle Satellite Jukebox" (it doesn't exist anymore). If there's someone out there who also wants a copy: You can still send your request to me! The payment: We deal it individually. ... and yet again the video formats: It's a VHS tape recorded in PAL, not NTSC (also thanx to Antti who explained it a few mails ago). At least some additional words for our non-european mailing list members: "MDR" stands for "Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk", a local TV station in Germany. Its programme is broadcasted not only terrestrial but also via satellite, the ASTRA (like lots of other TV and radio programmes). Any questions? Just mail. INGE ******************************************* e-mail: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de ******************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:25:26 -0500 From: jl@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (J. Li) Subject: The Scarlet Letter : The Eyes of Truth To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The Eyes of Truth is used in the TV Commercial for the upcoming movie, the Scarlet Letter. The commercial is broadcasted across the US for several days already. Interestingly, the narrator said something about the couple in the movie being guilty in the eyes of others, but having their freedom themselves (or something like that). Don't know whether something interesting will show up in the soundtrack though. jl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:34:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Jaysam Thanki Subject: The Scarlet Letter : The Eyes of Truth To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Your right... boy is thatpiece of music AMAZING or what? Wow.. the rythms i nthat track is mind blowing... good work Enigma... How good is the first one? I know one of the tracks is good, but what about the rest? Some have said that it is TOTALLY different to the second one, especially in the style of music used, such as the second one being mroe middle-eastern eastern/asian style and the first being french/european style.. any comments? WOW EOT rules... ************************************************ * Jaysam Thanki : JThanki@Ecs.Fullerton.Edu * * CA, USA Jaysam.Thanki@207.sasbbs.com * *****************INTEL INSIDE******************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 07:20:08 -0400 From: MartinS384@aol.com Subject: The Scarlet Letter : The Eyes of Truth To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In my opinion, the two albums are quite different. The MCMXC a.D. album stirs the imagination and makes your mind soar on the wings of fantasy, while Cross Of Changes reflects on the ruin that man has waged on the world. In either case, the mix of sounds is incredible. I look forward to their next album anxiously! Martin martins384@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 13:33:29 -0500 From: sb7421@starfish.acs.brockport.edu (Steve Buck) Subject: The Scarlet Letter : The Eyes of Truth To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >In my opinion, the two albums are quite different. The MCMXC a.D. album >stirs the imagination and makes your mind soar on the wings of fantasy, while >Cross Of Changes reflects on the ruin that man has waged on the world. > >In either case, the mix of sounds is incredible. I look forward to their >next album anxiously! > >Martin >martins384@aol.com I noticed this also...there is a sort of mystifying feeling that I get when I listen to MCMXC a.D. A feeling of being overpowered by an ambient, omnipotent force. Though I agree with the message that Martin has said, I have an uplifting feeling when I listen to the Cross of Changes, a feeling of love and forgiveness, and a lot of spirit. --- Steve Buck +++ Come one, come all...visit Steve's Kingdom: http://www.acs.brockport.edu/~sb7421/ With a special Moby page to come soon. --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 22:50:39 GMT From: cowboy1@cowboy1.microserve.com (Dennis Bobo) Subject: UNSUBCRIBE ME To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> >> >> ************************ UNSUBCRIBE ME ****************************** >> Christian Escudero >> Long Island, New York >> christ@li.net >> "impossible is a word to be found in the dictionary of fools" >> for Win95 help go to > http://www.li.net/~christ >> > >Better take a look in your fools' dictionary .... >______________________________________________ > >| E.M. Ollefers >| Industrial Design Engineering >| Delft University of Technology, Netherlands > >---------------------------------------------- >Beware of programmers that cary screwdrivers ! >______________________________________________ > >Hilarious! I too am running Windows95, and Christ may be able to help us, but do you think Christ can overcome what Bill Gates hath wrought? By the way, that best of Enigma album is or is not available in the U.S.? The Cowboy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 18:53:17 +0200 From: Per Terje Aune Subject: Video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I've just got a little question: What is all this about a video for "The Dream Of The Dolphin". I read that the german channel MDR sent this, but I've never heard of it before. Is it a normal music-video? Because if it is, it's amazing that I've missed seeing it. ============================================================================= "Snail" mail to: Per Terje Aune E-mail to: perta@oslonett.no Brudalsvegen 29 WWW: http://www.oslonett.no/~perta/ 7080 HEIMDAL NORWAY Telephone: +47 72 58 03 59 ============================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 12:44:25 -0500 From: jroman@mail.utexas.edu (James Roman) Subject: Video To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone, I just have a quick question for whoever knows the answer. Does anyone know whether Enigma plans to release the rest of their videos? Including the ones from the CROSS of changes? Also, is it true that there is a video somewhere with a video for all the songs on MCMXC? I heard that somewhere and don't really believe it but if it's true, I want to know. Thanks. James jroman@mail.utexas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 95 22:36:28 +0000 From: quadrig@ibm.net Subject: Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi, > >I've just got a little question: What is all this about a video for "The >Dream Of The Dolphin". I read that the german channel MDR sent this, but >I've never heard of it before. Is it a normal music-video? Because if it is, >it's amazing that I've missed seeing it. >============================================================================= >"Snail" mail to: Per Terje Aune E-mail to: perta@oslonett.no > Brudalsvegen 29 WWW: http://www.oslonett.no/~perta/ > 7080 HEIMDAL > NORWAY Telephone: +47 72 58 03 59 >============================================================================= Hi, I think that the video of "The Dream Of The Dolphin" isn't an official video for the song you'll find on the 2nd album. For this theory I have 3 reasons: 1. As I know the video was seen at no other place than the MDR-broadcasts. 2. The first time I saw the video it was embedded in the ENIGMA-broadcast of the ARD/Germany (more at the Enigma-WWW-pages...). And this broadcast was produced by the MDR for the ARD (because the ARD is a federation of local TV-stations including the MDR)! 3. The video has not the length of the song: It ends with the piano part so that the voice isn't at the video! video-length: 1:34. Here is the description of the video: In the first 30 seconds are pictures of a forest (I think it could be Ibiza...) at a rainy and foggy day. When the piano part starts Michael Cretu is faded in. He's playing the piano part on a keyboard in a (his?) music studio. Sometimes the forest scene is faded in again. Thats everything! I think that supports the theory that "The Dream Of The Dolphin" isn't a normal music-video. Thomas Eisermann, Quadriga (Berlin/Germany) e-Mail: quadrig@ibm.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:39:58 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > 1. As I know the video was seen at no other place than the MDR-broadcasts. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi...I was just wondering what MDR is ?? :*) Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:39:04 +0500 From: cmartin@nycmetro.com Subject: Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I wish we got to see Enigma videos in the USA. I bought a copy of the Mea Culpa and Sadeness videos that I happened to see in a small store. BUt I've never seen any of their videos on TV. :( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:57:29 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all. Someone wrote: > Here is the description of the video: > In the first 30 seconds are pictures of a forest (I think it could be > Ibiza...) at a rainy and foggy day. When the piano part starts Michael > Cretu is faded in. He's playing the piano part on a keyboard in a (his?) > music studio. Sometimes the forest scene is faded in again. Sounds to me like it's snippets from a documentary they showed on MuchMusic or some similar show. Robin or Joar should be able to confirm this. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 13:27:08 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi all. Someone wrote: > >> Here is the description of the video: >> In the first 30 seconds are pictures of a forest (I think it could be >> Ibiza...) at a rainy and foggy day. When the piano part starts Michael >> Cretu is faded in. He's playing the piano part on a keyboard in a (his?) >> music studio. Sometimes the forest scene is faded in again. > > Sounds to me like it's snippets from a documentary they showed on MuchMusic >or some similar show. Robin or Joar should be able to confirm this. ^^^^^ I don't know anything about it. I don't watch TV very much, only when there's a program I know it's interesting (and when there's something interesting most times I don't know in advance). Also I can't remember that I've ever heard of the MDR, and I'm sure I never heard of MuchMusic, so I can't confirm anything. When I read about a "Dream of the Dolphin" video a few days ago on this list it made me very curious 'cause I've never heard of it. I'll look if I can get the MDR, and if so I'll install the video for sunday night. Maybe some of the German Enigma fans on this list can say more. Robin R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:45:34 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sep 12, 6:57pm, Enigmatic wrote: > > Here is the description of the video: > > In the first 30 seconds are pictures of a forest (I think it could be > > Ibiza...) at a rainy and foggy day. When the piano part starts Michael > > Cretu is faded in. He's playing the piano part on a keyboard in a (his?) > > music studio. Sometimes the forest scene is faded in again. > > Sounds to me like it's snippets from a documentary they showed on MuchMusic > or some similar show. Robin or Joar should be able to confirm this. This is from the EPK (Electronic Press Kit) of The CROSS Of Changes, in other words the video produced to promote the release of the album. It consists of the video for 'Return To Innocence', a video for 'The Eyes Of Truth' which just uses some pictures of the white buildings of Ibiza - obviously because this was before any official video had been made, and the abovementioned piece. We also see Cretu working with adjusting the sound of the big snare drum sound in 'Silent Warrior'. Intersped between these clips is an interview with Cretu. This EPK is a 17 minute video, and I know it was broadcasted on the Norwegian TV channel TvNorge around January 1994. There is also a 30 minute version which brings more of the interview, and this was shown on the German TV channel ARD on January 14, 1995. This was supposedly called 'Enigmentary'. There is a brief review of this programme at http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html. Joar ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:13:51 +0800 (PST) From: steve vuong Subject: Video "The Dream Of The Dolphin" To: joarg@hsr.no Greetings, Enigma fans!!! My name is Stephen, I have been following Enigma since 1991. I have probably the entire Enigma CDs. It includes the two albums, and the Gold CD of the Cross of Change and the super rare limited edition of the first album. It comes with a hologram on the cover of the album. I also have 13 singles that are from Australia to Germany. To end, I have the video of Sadness and Mea Culpa. Even though, I have a quite large amount of Enigma releases, I believe that I am missing about three singles, two videos, and a Laser disc video. I like to find out, if anyone has other releases from Enigma. Please let me know about any merchandises. If you like to know the singles that I have, just let me know, and I will be glad to give you some details. Have a Enigmatic day. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 11:41:55 -0200 From: Antti Nuoreva Subject: Video by mail overseas - remember the FORMAT difference! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! > So here's my suggestion for a solution of your problem: > On next Sunday I record that special MDR night programm feat. Enigma; > then I'll send a copy of that video tape to you. :-) > (If you can live with a mono sound recording.) > > ... and this offer also goes to all other Enigma mailing list members. I'm sorry to go into other people's business, but you must remember that there are different video formats in Europe and USA (Canada too, I think). So, to avoid disappointments, first check if the receiver can handle the format the sender is using. In Europe we (as Inge too :-) have PAL and in USA they have NTSC. Those formats are NOT compatible! Sorry about that... Of course, there are video recorders that can read both formats, but remember to make sure yours is one of those... Or use a commercial service to convert the video, but it is not very cheap (at least here in Finland :-) Otherwise, happy mailing! :-) Antti ----------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ / / / _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Antti Nuoreva / / _/_/ _/ __/ _/ Helsinki / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ FINLAND / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / / _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ __/ / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Email: atn@lizard.pp.fi / /_________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 01:33:04 -0500 (CDT) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Visions of Sadeness LD To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. I got a little more info on the release of the upcoming Enigma laser disc. Its called "Visions of Sadeness" and is a rerelease of the limited, and extremely hard to find, MCMXC laser disc that came out a few years back. U.S. release date is September 31. From what I understand, the cover art will be different but the track listing will be the same (and no poster in this one). I preordered it for $59.99. It your interested, the place I ordered it from does a mail order: Laser's Edge (309)888-4000 or fax (309)888-4004. I have no idea if it will be released on video and I don't know what postage will cost you. Just thought I'd pass the info along. MC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 09:52:52 +0500 From: mmartin@nhma.noli.com Subject: Visions of Sadeness LD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Thank you for this information regarding Enigma. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:51:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Lazlo Nibble Subject: Visions of Sadeness LD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > I got a little more info on the release of the upcoming Enigma laser > disc. Its called "Visions of Sadeness" and is a rerelease of the > limited, and extremely hard to find, MCMXC laser disc that came out a > few years back. U.S. release date is September 31. [...] I preordered it > for $59.99. $60 is mighty steep for a US release. Are you sure this is a US issue, or is it imported from Japan? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:09:36 -0500 (CDT) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Visions of Sadeness LD To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > disc. Its called "Visions of Sadeness" and is a rerelease of the > > limited, and extremely hard to find, MCMXC laser disc that came out a > > few years back. U.S. release date is September 31. [...] I preordered it > > for $59.99. > > $60 is mighty steep for a US release. Are you sure this is a US issue, or > is it imported from Japan? I don't know to be honest. I know that its price before markup was like $37.99. It was listed in a catalog full of domeestic releases, but I guess that doesn't mean much. Price is steep if, in fact, it is a U.S. release. I suppose I'll know for sure around the 1st of October. MC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:44:31 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: Welcome Jon To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Jon. Welcome aboard of the Enigma/Sandra/Kretu/Kah/Humpe boat. In answer to your question: Yes, Sandra was and still is very much a part of Enigma. She contributes with the woman voice on both albums. Now she is giving Michael some inspiration after having his two brand new twin babies. She is not touring or promoting her new album because of the pregnancy and delivery of the twins. Michael might be a very happy guy right now. Of course we expected that the next album of ENIGMA in the works also brings back the magnificent voice of Sandra. Hope I answer your question. You just got in the best mailing list ever. Great people in here. Welcome SEVERO From L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:39:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Lawrence Jee-Tae Kim Subject: Welcome to enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au This is a rather generic reply, but I'm feeling rather generic right now, mea culpa. > * Name: Lawrence J. Kim > * Age: 19 (Bday 9 Apr 76) > * What is in your Enigma collection: MCMXD a.D. Cross of Change Sadeness Part I (U.S. CD and tape singles) Mea Culpa Part II (U.S. CD and tape singles) Carly's Song (British [I think] CD single) Age of Loneliness (U.S. [I think] CD single) Eyes of Truth (German CD single) Out from the Deep (German CD single) > * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: I heard first Enigma on the radio and MTV when I was 13. I bought MCMXD and loved it! Whenever I find an Engima album, I will buy it. Unfortunately, I don't really know much about the persons in the group, except for what a Swiss friend told me, plus I just found the Enigma "homepage." I agonized as I waited for Cross to come out, and I'm going to agonize more until the third album arrives in the US. If anyone has a spare copy of the Enigma videos, please e-mail me. > * Other artists you like: Oh boy...I'm pretty much a fan of all music--with some exceptions (rap especially). I'm really into classic jazz, classical music (especially requiems and masses--Enigma sort of got me hooked on to those). I'm also a fan of Nine Inch Nails, Veruca Salt, Live, Alanis Morissette, Matthew Sweet, Enya, Aerosmith, Tom Petty, ABBA, Barry White, cheesy 80s music, ya-dah ya-dah ya-dah. However, I really can't say I'm into the other bands that are Enigma-esque. But I think I've rambled long enough... > * What course or job you're doing (if any): I'm a second-year Chemical Engineering student at Washington University in St. Louis (USA) with plans to study-abroad at the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm in about two years (perhaps if Cretu does have a concert, I'll be in Europe and might be able to attend). > * Any other interesting information you wish to share: No, I think I've wasted enough space, but you can visit my homepage if you want.... http://www.cec.wustl.edu/~ljk1/ Thanks for your time. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 12:52:34 -0300 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino dos ramos) Subject: Welcome to Vlad To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In name of the members of The Enigma listing I want to say Welcome to you. Here you will find a home. Nice and pleasant talk. You probably get the answer to you question very soon. I, myself never heard of "REAL SADNESS" But I'm gonna keep an eye open for it. If any luck I'll contact you. I was particulary happy to know you like some of my oother favorite groups as Modern Talking and Blue System. One more time , Welcome to Heaven SEVERO from L.A. >> As a new member of the list I'd love to introduce myself: > >* Name > Vladimir Olenichev > >* Age > 20 >* What is in your Enigma collection > I own 3 albums of Enigma: MCMXC a.D. > The Cross of Changes > Magic Best, 1994 > I have also 1 album by Sandra >* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are > My first experience with Enigma was about 5 years ago when I lived > in my native country Russia. Russian TV at that time showed Euro > Top 20 every week, and I saw Enigma's "Sadness" at the first time > it got in top 20. Since then, I love everything what Enigma does. > >* Other artists you like > I like almost everything from 80's eurodisco style, like Modern > Talking, Bad Boys Blue, Sandra, Cretu(of course), Blue System > Savage, C.C.Catch, Joy, Silent Circle and etc. I'm in techno too. > So basically I'm electronical music fan. >* What course or job you're doing (if any) > Right now, I'm student at the Univ. of MD, studying something:) > don't know yet, and work part time as computer technician. >* Any other interesting information you wish to share > Beside school and work, I spend my time listening music, going to > clubs, and attending wild russian parties, yeehhh:) > >Well, I guess, that's about it I can think about myself. >Thank you very much for your attention. >Nice meeting with you all guys. >See ya. >Vlad. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Sep 1995 23:47:10 -0400 From: jdf149@psu.edu (Jeremy Fox) Subject: What instrument To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au What type of flute is it that is played in MCMXC A.D. It's a really cool sound and I just wanted to know if anyone had further info. Thanks, jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 21:33:58 -0200 From: Antti Nuoreva Subject: What instrument To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >What type of flute is it that is played in MCMXC A.D. It's a really cool >sound and I just wanted to know if anyone had further info. >Thanks, >jeremy The sound is from Shakuhachi but it is, of course a sample :-). I don't know much about that instrument, but I think it is a Japanese, wooden, BIG flute... But that sound sample is available on various CD Sample collections, as can be heard in various songs nowadays...:-) Sorry I don't know more about the actual instrument...:-( Antti ----------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ / / / _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Antti Nuoreva / / _/_/ _/ __/ _/ Helsinki / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ FINLAND / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / / _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ __/ / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Email: atn@lizard.pp.fi / /_________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 19:06:44 -0300 (ADT) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: What instrument To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >What type of flute is it that is played in MCMXC A.D. It's a really cool > >sound and I just wanted to know if anyone had further info. > >Thanks, > >jeremy > > The sound is from Shakuhachi but it is, of course a sample :-). I don't know > much about that instrument, but I think it is a Japanese, wooden, BIG flute... > > But that sound sample is available on various CD Sample collections, as can > be heard in various songs nowadays...:-) > > Sorry I don't know more about the actual instrument...:-( > > Antti Hmmmm.....there is such a thing as a tenor and bass flutes...could it be one of them ?? They look like a normal flute but have a bigger diameter and are so long they have to form a "J" shape in order to be held :) Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 16:45:55 -0700 From: bonville@cdsnet.net (Charles Bonville) Subject: What instrument To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> >What type of flute is it that is played in MCMXC A.D. It's a really cool >> >sound and I just wanted to know if anyone had further info. >> >Thanks, >> >jeremy (buncha text del'ed) I thought I had read somewhere that it was a pan flute... or rather, that it was a electronic sample of a pan flute. Charles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:18:58 -0700 From: jbroers@ns.net (Jason Broers) Subject: What instrument To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >What type of flute is it that is played in MCMXC A.D. It's a really cool >sound and I just wanted to know if anyone had further info. I think it's called a jungle flute, but that's all I know about it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:48:08 -0200 From: Antti Nuoreva Subject: What instrument To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hmmmm.....there is such a thing as a tenor and bass flutes...could it be >one of them ?? They look like a normal flute but have a bigger diameter >and are so long they have to form a "J" shape in order to be held :) Yes, that's how I _think_, but I also think it is VERY big, I mean more like those alp horns...but as I said, I'm not absolutely sure... Antti ----------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ / / / _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Antti Nuoreva / / _/_/ _/ __/ _/ Helsinki / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ FINLAND / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / / _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ __/ / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Email: atn@lizard.pp.fi / /_________________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 15:51:23 +0100 (CET) From: Edwin Ollefers Subject: What instrument To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > The sound is from Shakuhachi but it is, of course a sample :-). I don't know > much about that instrument, but I think it is a Japanese, wooden, BIG flute... > > But that sound sample is available on various CD Sample collections, as can > be heard in various songs nowadays...:-) I'm very interested in that sample, do you know if it is available somewhere on the net, like on an FTP site ? Thanx, Edwin [ -= Message from Edwin Ollefers =- ] [ Beware of programmers that carry screwdrivers ! ] [---------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 22:06:21 GMT From: Peter Ward Subject: What instrument To: Enigma >> >What type of flute is it that is played in MCMXC A.D. > I thought I had read somewhere that it was a pan flute... > or rather, that it was a electronic sample of a pan flute. I think your right, if you listen very very carefully it is clipped at the end, This would indicate to me that it is Sampled. I have worked with Sampler's/Sampling for a long time and they do tend to give them selves away in that respect. Alot of the Synth's used in the Music Industry are getting alot harder to determind whether or not it is the genuine instrument? such as the Pan Flute(?) in MCMXC A.D. Well that is what i think anyway! Pete Ward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:01:20 -0400 From: Jerry Smith Subject: Where to get .... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Enigma Fans, I have a great deal of success getting CDs and Videos from the following internet sites: cdconnection.com cdeurope.com videoexpress.com I have gotten many things from these places, just telnet to them and follow the instructions. Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us The Internet is a passing fad, just like Television. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 20:09:26 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: WWW: Enigma [Now in the U.S.!] To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Good news! With special thanks to Cohesive Systems in the U.S., the Official Enigma World Wide Web Site located in Australia is now mirrored in the U.S. No longer will most of you have to wait for minutes while a screen or picture downloads!!!!! The mirror site address is http://www.spikes.com/enigma for the graphical version; or http://www.spikes.com/enigma/EnigmaText.html for the text version. Should any of you find some problem with the mirror site (such as it suddenly referring to a document in Australia), please contact me. For those of you who are unaware, Cohesive Systems exists solely for WWW sites. They design and hold sites for many American businesses. The server itself is extraordinarily quick due to the equipment Cohesive Systems has invested in. 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