Enigma Digest December 1995 Volume 2 : Issue 12 **Inspirations of Enigma** (2 msgs) **Inspirations of Enigma**-Writing- :)Happy Holiday Enigmites!:) :)Terrific Holiday?:) (6 msgs) About Christmas Break About Sandra Videos (3 msgs) A Hubert Kah page (2 msgs) An observation... (4 msgs) An Xmas Poem Anyone!!!! (3 msgs) Blockbuster Music Brent's message. Callas is superb... (2 msgs) Christmas Break Christmas greetings Christmas Greetings! Constantine-Sandra videos (2 msgs) Cool Samples of Enigma... Cretu excerpts (fwd) (4 msgs) Delerium (3 msgs) Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" (fwd) Delerium's Semantic Spaces (fwd) Enigma's style Enigma-digest V1 #238 Enigma-digest V1 #246 (7 msgs) Enigma-digest V1 #247 Enigma-digest V1 #251 Enigma-digest V1 #253 Enigma-digest V1 #255 (3 msgs) Enigma-digest V1 #256 Enigma-fan (2 msgs) Enigma I & II (15 msgs) ENIGMA III (2 msgs) Enigma I vs. II (5 msgs) Enigma I vs II (6 msgs) enya like Explanation of Pete Geisheker's tapes From Pete Geisheker to people who have ordered tapes Greetings (28 msgs) Gregorain "Sadisfaction" CD Gregorian Chant on TV Happy Holidays! Happy New Year (2 msgs) Hello Everybody! Hello fellow Enigma fans (3 msgs) hi! homework Hubert Kah and Intro I am on IRC again !!! (2 msgs) I need hel p (fwd) info (2 msgs) Intro (3 msgs) Introduction (8 msgs) IRC Joe Wasicek Kemmler and Kah-Sandra videos (3 msgs) limited-edition of "TCOC" Mailing list you may be interested in. MCMXC a.D. v. Cross of Changes (4 msgs) MCMXC aD Vs, Cross. (4 msgs) MCMXC vs. COC (fwd) (2 msgs) Mea Culpa and Boheme Money Train (2 msgs) Movie w/ Enigma Music Multimedia ( Was: Save the Rain Forest ) New Enya's Album (2 msgs) New IRC on dal.net New Member New Sarah brightman album : "Fly" (2 msgs) new subscriber New topic...maybe? (14 msgs) No Subject (2 msgs) Paris (by night) (9 msgs) Patience my new friends. Pete Geisheker's tapes Pete Geisheker's Tapes are done! Response to Leti's comments running time MCMXC a.d. limited -edition Sandra.... Sandra Videos (3 msgs) Thanx Ye Min Than (2 msgs) Trivia question-The Moment Of Truth Videos (11 msgs) Voir Paris et mourir ( Was: Paris by night ) (2 msgs) What I did today.... (2 msgs) What I would ask your mail (10 msgs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 07:00 PST From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler) Subject: **Inspirations of Enigma** To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well I find that when I'm nervous before a horse show (remember I ride) the one thing and most importantly, thing that I must do is listen to Enigma, I just find that my nervousness just spills from me, so to Rachel (I UNDERSTAND!) I can't wait till later this year because we're going to making a musical ride up, of course first thing I'll look at is Enigma, actually the first time that I became stuck on Enigma was watching it played with horses, wow, and it even works well with other music mixed in with it! |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=Neil) | ,____| equestrian fan & rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn long "enough, he'll stop trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing in my "mouth." "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:25:53 -0400 (AST) From: Karen Sullivan Subject: **Inspirations of Enigma** To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hmmm...I forget what the original message was about but from the title I'll share my little enigma inspiration....well..it's kinda that... I just got out of my first relationship...it had lasted a year and a half...the whole ordeal has been really hard on me and continues to be...I suffer through a day at university but when i come home I lock myself in my room, turn the lights down (not off) and fill my room with Enigma...if it wasn't for this release I don't if I would have had the courage to stay broken up with this guy...because now I realize that he was _bad_ for me... Karen Sullivan - R7NM@unb.ca Lupins on IRC - Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada... *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Trust your mind but follow your heart. | * * | "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?" | * * | Lord, give me the strength to change the things I can, | * The Serenity to accept the things I cannot, * | And the wisdom to see the difference between the two. | *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 09:36:49 -0700 (MST) From: rachelle@amug.org (Rachelle Hamblin) Subject: **Inspirations of Enigma**-Writing- To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Ye Min Than Wrote: Whenever I write a paper, I listen to Enigma with my headphones and work my paper on my computer. Listening to Enigma>brings me to another world, into the world of music, spirits and meditation!!! I feel so good that I can write non-stop! It gives me such wonderful new ideas. I simply love it. Enigma music gives me strength,energy and ideas to write my papers!!! It's simply wonderful....... Hi Ye Min, A very wonderful Enigma Inspiration! Thank you for sharing it Ye Min!:) I myself, enjoy writing Poems. I also, listen to music while I write. I agree, Enigma is perfect to listen to when writing. It puts me more in tune with my inner self. Therefore, I think of many deep & heartfelt words. Words that otherwise, I probably would not have thought of. It's so very Fascinating how music inspires. It is said that: The root of music's inspirations come from the Musician's and Singer's soul. I can certainly believe that about Enigma's music. It is truly Magnificient!!!!! Happy Listening All!!!! Have a nice Weekend!!!!! Luv, Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA > P.S. Philip Jon Shipley, I must tell you that I enjoyed reading your article about "What Enigma Means To You!" Very touching!:):) Thank you for sharing it!! Forever Keep Smiling!!!!!:):) ******************************************* Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin rachelle@amug.org *Angel* *LOVE* is the Reason for Living!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 09:39:44 -0700 (MST) From: rachelle@amug.org (Rachelle Hamblin) Subject: :)Happy Holiday Enigmites!:) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Enigmites,:):) Wow, can you believe it? Christmas is in less than a week@*:). Another year is almost to a close!! It's amazing!! I want to thank everybody on this mailing list for all of your helpful hints and tips about understanding the wonderful meanings of Enigma's songs, and introducing me to many magnificent artists (Enigma-like Musicians). I'm truly greatful!!:):) Of course, a big thanks goes to Gavin Stock for making this mailing list possible!!:):) Thanks Gavin!!!! Have a wonderful vacation in Europe!!!! Oh, and don't forget to buy us all a souvenir........:):)Smiles!! Kidding.......... I thought it would be lovely to send you all a greeting for Christmas.:) So, I decided to type up two of my favorite Christmas Stories. One is a touching story, the other is for laughs-it's hilarious. I hope you enjoy everyone!!:):) **The Twelve Days of Christmas** Written by, Agnes Holsten Dearest John: I went to the door today and the postman delivered a partridge in a pear tree. What a thoughtfully delightful gift. I couldn't have been more surprised. With Deepest love, Agnes Dearest John: Today the postman brought your very sweet gift. Just imagine, two turtle doves! I'm just delighted at your very thoughtful gift. They are just adorable. All my love, Agnes Dear John: Oh! Aren't you the extravagant one? Now I really must protest. I don't deserve such generosity. Three French Hens! They are just darling but I insist, you've been too kind. Love, Agnes Dear John: Today the postman delivered four calling birds. Now really, they are beautiful but don't you think enough is enough? You're being too romatic. Affectionately, Agnes Dearest John: What a surprise! Today the postman delivered five golden rings, one for every finger. You're just impossible but I love it. Frankly all those birds squawking were beginning to get on my nerves. All my love, Agnes Dear John: When I opened the door there were six geese a laying on my front door steps. So you're back to the birds again, huh? Those geese are Huge, Where will I ever keep them? The neighbors are complaining and I can't sleep through the racket. Please Stop! Cordially, Agnes Dear John: What's with you and those stinkin birds? Seven swans a swimming, what kind of horrible joke is this? There's bird dip all over the house and they never stop with the racket. I can't sleep at night and I'm a nervous wreck. It's not funny! Sincerely, Agnes Dear John: I think I prefer the birds, What in tarnation am I going to do with eight maids a milking? Did they have to bring their cows? There's cow patties all over the lawn and I can't move in my own house. Just lay off me, you jerk! Agnes Holy Smoke! What are you, some kind of Sadist? Now there's nine pipers playing. And how do they play? They've never stopped chasing those maids since they got here yesterday morning. The cows are getting upset and they're stepping all over the screeching birds. What am I going to do? The neighbors have started a petition to evict me. You'll get yours you Pig-- Agnes You Dirty Rotten @ Now there's ten ladies dancing, I don't know why I call those tramps ladies, they've been partying with those pipers all night long. Now the cows can't sleep and they've got diarrhea. My living room is a river of slime. The Commissioner of Buildings has subpoenaed me to give cause why the building shouldn't be condemned. I'm setting the police on You! One who means it!! Agnes Listen You Pinhead: What's with the eleven lords a leeping all over my living room? Those pipers ran through with the maids and frightened the cows. All twenty-three of the birds are dead now:(, they've been trampled to death in the hysteria. I hope you're satisfied, you dirty rotten swine! Your Sworn Enemy, Agnes (The following is a Letter regarding a Warrant of Arrest for Dearest John) Law Offices of Badger, Bender & Ball 303 Knave Street Chicago, Illinois December 24, 1995 Dear Sir: This will acknowledge your latest gift of twelve fiddlers fiddling which you have seen fit to inflict on our client, Miss Agnes Holsten. The destruction of course was total. All correspondence should come to our attention. If you should attempt to see Miss Holsten at Happy Dale Sanitarium, the attendants have instructions to shoot you on sight. With this letter please find the attached warrant for your arrest. Cordially, James M. Badger Badger, Bender and Ball :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) ********TEACH THE CHILDREN******** Written by, Name not Known A week before Christmas I had a visitor. I had just finished the household chores for the night and was getting ready for bed when I heard a noise in the front of the house. I went to the living room, and to my surprise, Santa Claus himself stepped out from behind the Christmas tree. "What are you doing"? I started to ask, but the words choked up in my throat as I saw that he had tears in his eyes. His usual jolly manner was gone and he answered me with a sample statement of "TEACH THE CHILDREN". I was puzzled. What did he mean? He anticipated my question, and with one quick movement, he brought forth a miniature toy bag from behind the tree. As I stood there bewildered, Santa said again, "TEACH THE CHILDREN". Teach them the true meaning of Christmas, the meaning that Christmas nowadays has forgotten." I started to say "How Can I?" .......When Santa reached into the toy bag and pulled out a brilliant shiny star. "Teach the Children that the *STAR* was the heavenly sign of promise long ages ago. God promised a Savior for the World, and the Star was a sign of his birth. The countless stars at night now show the burning hope of all mankind." Santa then reached into the bag and brought out a glittering *RED CHRISTMAS TREE ORNAMENT*. "Teach the Children that red is the first color of Christmas. It was first used by the faithful people to remind them of the blood which was shed for all of us by the Savior. Christ gave HIS life that every man might have God's gift of Eternal Life. Red is the symbol of his gift. "Teach the Children, Santa said, as he brought a small Christmas tree from the bag. The pure green color of the *FIR TREE* remains the green all year round. This depicts the everlasting hope of mankind. Green (The second color of Christmas) is the youthful, hopeful, abundant color of nature. All the needles point heavenword, symbols of man's thoughts turning toward Heaven. Suddenly, I heard a soft tinkling sound, and Santa brought out a tiny *BELL*. "Teach the Children that as the lost sheep are found by the sound of the bell, it also rings for man to return to the fold. All men are precious in the Eyes of the Lord." As the soft sound of the bell faded into the night, Santa drew forth a *CANDLE*. "Teach the Children, whispered Santa, that the candle shows man's gratitude for the star long ago. It's small light is the mirror of starlight. At first, Candles were placed on the Christmas Trees. Colored lights have now taken over in rememberance." Santa turned the Small Christmas Tree lights on and picked up a gift from under the tree. He pointed to the *BOW* Tied on it and said, "A bow is placed on a present to remind us of the brother-hood of man. We should remember that the bow is tied, all of us together, with the bonds of good will toward eachother." Then, Santa reached for the *CANDY CANE* on the tree. "Teach the Children that the candy cane represents the shepherd's crook. The crook on the staff helps bring back the strayed sheep to the flock. The candy cane is the symbol that we are our brothers keeper." As Santa looked about the room, a feeling of satisfaction shone in his face, and I could see his admiration for this night. He reached into his bag and brought out the last item, a *WREATH*. **"Please teach the Children, he said, that the wreath symbolizes the eternal nature of love; it never ceases, stops, or ends."** **"LOVE is one continuous round of affection, It should remind us of all the things of Christmas. As Santa turned to go he said quietly, "PLEASE TEACH THE CHILDREN".** ******************************************************************************** :):)May you all have a Special holiday Season!! I do realize that we do not all have the same beliefs. Some of you may not celebrate Christmas. Whatever your beliefs........I wish you a Happy Holiday Season!! Have a wonderful New Year!! and........... May all of your fondest wishes and dreams come true!!:):) Forever Keep Smiling Everyone!! Love, :)Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA:) ******************************************* ******************************************* Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin rachelle@amug.org *Angel* *LOVE* is the Reason for Living!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 08:42:01 -0700 (MST) From: rachelle@amug.org (Rachelle Hamblin) Subject: :)Terrific Holiday?:) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Enigmites,:):) :):)I hope everyone had a really terrific Holiday!!!!:):) Love, **Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA** (P.S. Jerry Smith, could you please E-mail me with your Web page Address?:) I seemed to have accidentally deleted it. Oops!!!!:):) I wish to take a look at it.:):):):) Thanks Jerry!!:):) RLH ******************************************* ******************************************* Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin rachelle@amug.org *Angel* *LOVE* is the Reason for Living!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 01:00:39 -0500 From: triant@pegasus.montclair.edu (Constantine Triantafillou) Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello! >Subject: re: Enigma I & II >Hi all, >>Check out Vangelis. You will enjoy his music. Maybe even more than Enigma. >> >>Pete Geisheker >> >I know Vangelis and like him very much but you can not compare Enigma and >Vangelis. They are two different kinds of music. As a composer Pete, you >should know that. Michael Cretu has been influenced by other pioneers in electronic music, IMHO! Of course he has also incorporated his own music elements and style which is also true! >Vangelis is much more comparable with Jean-Michel Jarre. These two emphasize >mainly on instrumental. Nothing like Enigma. Jarre has broken the music Enigma is close to instrumental music too! Singing is not a strong element in Enigma. >barrier with "Oxygene" in the 70s. Michael Cretu has done the same in 90s. Pete emphasizes the music elements that make Enigma! Therefore as a composer he's right when he talks about the similarities between Michael's work, with the works of other electronic music pionners. >These three composers are great. Award winning does not necessarily mean one >is better than the other. When it comes to creativity and refinement, >Michael Cretu is the best. His music is deeper, and much more meaniful than >the other two. Michael Cretu is my best and favorite composer. Michael is a great composer, but IMHO not the best in respect to creativity! There are many electronic music composers out there who are creative enough to be compared with Micahel. Beethoven was a great composer, but not the only one! >I don't see anyone who can compose a better music at this moment than >Michael Cretu. Do you see anyone Pete Geisheker?????? Well, again Michael Cretu is a phenomenal composer, but not the only one! Ohh, by the way Enigma music is not a new kind of music! It surely has unique music elements that are made in Michael Cretu ;-) , yet it incorporates many other elements that were not "invented" now! I would say Enigma music is a kind of old and new!! Those IMHO who deal with electronic music at a professional level will tell you the same. >YMT >Internet ProLink PC User Best Regards, Constantine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:14:44 -0500 From: James Denis Jeffrey Subject: To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 12:32 PM 12/10/95 -0700, you wrote: >I had read here a while ago about a possible Enigma concert sometime >int he future somewhere in Europe. Since I'm a little bored of the >current conversation (no offence to anyone) I thought I'd bring this >up again. Where does everyone think it will be, or where would you >like it to be? > >Andrew > >Hey Andrew, I have know idea about if there is a concert but I think that if I could enjoy the sounds of Enigma anywhere in Europe I would have to say that I would to hear them someplace romantic and enchanting like Rome or perhaps Paris. I have limited exposure to travel outside the U.S.A. so my choices would be limited but the most important thing to me would be to enjoy this music that I love so much live, and to hopefully do so with someone I care deeply for who can appreciate this music as much as I. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:32:13 -0700 (MST) From: "" Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I had read here a while ago about a possible Enigma concert sometime int he future somewhere in Europe. Since I'm a little bored of the current conversation (no offence to anyone) I thought I'd bring this up again. Where does everyone think it will be, or where would you like it to be? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:49:17 -0500 From: yakko@sentex.net Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au James, I write music and many people have said it sounds good. Now here's the catch: I can neither play an instrument nor I have had any training in music. I write with my ears and mind and heart and I need nothing else. In response to what you said in you letter, it is the most beautiful thing when you write or listen to music with your ears and emotions. Sure, you can equate(?) music to being just sound waves and pulses and oscilations, but there is no beauty in science; there is only beauty in nature and emotion. Krisztian Czene a.k.a. Yakko Warner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:45:10 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au That's pretty deep. Good luck in finding that person.. it's impossible, let me tell you. --Brandon At 10:14 PM 12/10/95 -0500, you wrote: >At 12:32 PM 12/10/95 -0700, you wrote: >>I had read here a while ago about a possible Enigma concert sometime >>int he future somewhere in Europe. Since I'm a little bored of the >>current conversation (no offence to anyone) I thought I'd bring this >>up again. Where does everyone think it will be, or where would you >>like it to be? >> >>Andrew >> >>Hey Andrew, >I have know idea about if there is a concert but I think that if I could >enjoy the sounds of Enigma anywhere in Europe I would have to say that I >would to hear them someplace romantic and enchanting like Rome or perhaps >Paris. I have limited exposure to travel outside the U.S.A. so my choices >would be limited but the most important thing to me would be to enjoy this >music that I love so much live, and to hopefully do so with someone I care >deeply for who can appreciate this music as much as I. > >Jamie > > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 13:45:47 -0500 From: kgallion@riter.computize.com (Kip Gallion) Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au RE: Homework name: Kipling Gallion, 43 years, 2 albums, eclectic music tastes across all genres. Field or work: health communication and advertising/marketing. Age of Innocence was a favorite song of mine and my 7 year old son who died of cancer 3 weeks ago. The music has had a lot of meaning for us during these trying times. Look forward to what is next. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 16:04:59 -0800 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos) Subject: About Christmas Break To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Jamie If you haven't left yet, or even if you have, have the best holidays ever. We will be here when you come back. Hope you have a great time at home or whatever you're going. And Remember "The eyes of truth are always watching us" Severo From L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:49:03 -0800 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos) Subject: About Sandra Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just got the Video Ten on One with the greatest videos of Sandra and I'm dying to know who is the gorgeous guy doing the vocals on Innocent Love, In the heat of the night and Maria Magdalena. Does anybody knows? Also I just found another album by Inga and Anette Humpe called "Humpe AND Humpe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 23:55:25 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: About Sandra Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >I just got the Video Ten on One with the greatest videos of Sandra and I'm >dying to know who is the gorgeous guy doing the vocals on Innocent Love, In >the heat of the night and Maria Magdalena. >Does anybody knows? >Also I just found another album by Inga and Anette Humpe called "Humpe AND >Humpe. > > That background vocal singer is "Hubert Kemmler". He used to compose some songs for Sandra together with Michael Cretu. Especially, in the Sandra's album called "Into a Secret Land", Kemmler sings and composes also...After that album, he disappeared. Ye Min Than Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 13:20:17 +0100 From: Sven Puklowski Subject: About Sandra Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi ! >I just got the Video Ten on One with the greatest videos of Sandra and I'm >dying to know who is the gorgeous guy doing the vocals on Innocent Love, In >the heat of the night and Maria Magdalena. >Does anybody knows? Hubert Kah & Michael Cretu Tschuess Sven ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:33:17 -0800 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos) Subject: A Hubert Kah page To: jkalmes@ionet.com >Someone mentioned on here the other day that they had made a Hubert Kah >page. Anyone remember the address for me? Thanx. Hi Jonathan I don't think you're refering to my page but here is a small place with the best group ever... http://north.pacificnet.net/~severo/hubert.kah.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:06:52 -0500 From: Jonathan Kalmes Subject: A Hubert Kah page To: "'Enigma List'" , Hi Jonathan I don't think you're refering to my page but here is a small place with the best group ever... http://north.pacificnet.net/~severo/hubert.kah.html Thanx, will check it out when I'm back in town and have my REAL connection back. (I hate travelling). Secaman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 08:42:02 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Echols Subject: An observation... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yes, I have also noticed the "Close Encounters" riff in the beinning of R.O.B. I like the way it was included using the light, airy chimes. Just what I think. - Me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 09:26:36 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: An observation... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Mon, 18 Dec 1995 seether@imap2.asu.edu wrote: > Hi all, I just thought that I would share an observation with you. I > would guess that someone has already noticed this...But as I've been > subscribed to this news group for about 7 months I haven't seen anyone > mention it (nor did I see it in the FAQ). Anyway, back to the subject, > If you listen to the beginning of "Back to the Rivers of Belief" (track > 7) on MCMXC a.D. You will notice that the opening notes are those used > to communicate with the aliens from the movie "Close Encounters of the > 3rd kind" (I think). I haven't seen the movie the many, many years. > But I believe this to be correct. > > -Seether > > Yes you are correct. The same motif is being played in the beginning of Rivers of Belief as was Close Encounters. Don't tell John Williams who composed the music for Close Encounters. Cretu may get sued once again. Pete Geisheker Somebody told me it was frightening how much topsoil we are losing each year, but I told that story around the campfire and nobody got scared. -- Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 00:33:49 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: An observation... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi all, I just thought that I would share an observation with you. I >would guess that someone has already noticed this...But as I've been >subscribed to this news group for about 7 months I haven't seen anyone >mention it (nor did I see it in the FAQ). Anyway, back to the subject, >If you listen to the beginning of "Back to the Rivers of Belief" (track >7) on MCMXC a.D. You will notice that the opening notes are those used >to communicate with the aliens from the movie "Close Encounters of the >3rd kind" (I think). I haven't seen the movie the many, many years. >But I believe this to be correct. > >-Seether > It is mentioned in Enigma FAQ in the section "Meanings" You are right though..... Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 02:08:31 -0700 (MST) From: seether@imap2.asu.edu Subject: An observation... To: Enigma Hi all, I just thought that I would share an observation with you. I would guess that someone has already noticed this...But as I've been subscribed to this news group for about 7 months I haven't seen anyone mention it (nor did I see it in the FAQ). Anyway, back to the subject, If you listen to the beginning of "Back to the Rivers of Belief" (track 7) on MCMXC a.D. You will notice that the opening notes are those used to communicate with the aliens from the movie "Close Encounters of the 3rd kind" (I think). I haven't seen the movie the many, many years. But I believe this to be correct. -Seether ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 95 14:24 PST From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler) Subject: An Xmas Poem To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Sorry this is after the 25th, but it's still the 12 days of Xmas right? :) BTW, for all of the jewish ppl on the list, Happy Hanukkah!! :) _________________________________________________________________________ A Christmas poem 'Twas the night before Christmas and Santa's a wreck... How to live in a world that's politically correct? His workers no longer would answer to "Elves". "Vertically Challenged" they were calling themselves. And labor conditions at the north pole Were alleged by the union to stifle the soul. Four reindeer had vanished, without much propriety, Released to the wilds by the Humane Society. And equal employment had made it quite clear That Santa had better not use just reindeer. So Dancer and Donner, Comet and Cupid, Were replaced with 4 pigs, and you know that looked stupid! The runners had been removed from his sleigh; The ruts were termed dangerous by the E.P.A. And people had started to call for the cops When they heard sled noises on their roof-tops. Second-hand smoke from his pipe had his workers quite frightened. His fur trimmed red suit was called "Unenlightened." And to show you the strangeness of life's ebbs and flows, Rudolf was suing over unauthorized use of his nose And had gone on Geraldo, in front of the nation, Demanding millions in over-due compensation. So, half of the reindeer were gone; and his wife, Who suddenly said she'd enough of this life, Joined a self-help group, packed, and left in a whiz, Demanding from now on her title was Ms. And as for the gifts, why, he'd ne'er had a notion That making a choice could cause so much commotion. Nothing of leather, nothing of fur, Which meant nothing for him. And nothing for her. Nothing that might be construed to pollute. Nothing to aim. Nothing to shoot. Nothing that clamored or made lots of noise. Nothing for just girls. Or just for the boys. Nothing that claimed to be gender specific. Nothing that's warlike or non-pacific. No candy or sweets...they were bad for the tooth. Nothing that seemed to embellish a truth. And fairy tales, while not yet forbidden, Were like Ken and Barbie, better off hidden. For they raised the hackles of those psychological Who claimed the only good gift was one ecological. No baseball, no football...someone could get hurt; Besides, playing sports exposed kids to dirt. Dolls were said to be sexist, and should be passe; And Nintendo would rot your entire brain away. So Santa just stood there, disheveled, perplexed; He just could not figure out what to do next. He tried to be merry, tried to be gay, But you've got to be careful with that word today. His sack was quite empty, limp to the ground; Nothing fully acceptable was to be found. Something special was needed, a gift that he might Give to all without angering the left or the right. A gift that would satisfy, with no indecision, Each group of people, every religion; Every ethnicity, every hue, Everyone, everywhere...even you. So here is that gift, it's price beyond worth... "May you and your loved ones enjoy peace on earth." ___________________________________________________ Have an Awesome Xmas and a Blow-Out party in the New Year! |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=Neil) | ,____| equestrian fan & rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn long "enough, he'll stop trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing in "my mouth." "Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:47:08 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Anyone!!!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, >From the MCMXC A.D. album, there are four singles right??? They are: "Sadness I" "Mea Culpa II" "Principles of Lust" "River of Belief" Am I right??? They are the four singles of MCMXC A.D. I heard that all of these singles are different from those of the album. Well if that so, I am ready to pay quite a sum of money for the singles of "Principles of Lust" and "River of Belief"..... Do you have them?? I want to buy them...... Any suggestions??? Ye Min Than Internet ProLink PC User ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:03:33 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Anyone!!!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 11:47 AM 12/6/95 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > >>From the MCMXC A.D. album, there are four singles right??? >They are: > >"Sadness I" >"Mea Culpa II" >"Principles of Lust" >"River of Belief" > >Am I right??? They are the four singles of MCMXC A.D. >I heard that all of these singles are different from those of the album. >Well if that so, I am ready to pay quite a sum of money for the singles of >"Principles of Lust" and "River of Belief"..... > >Do you have them?? I want to buy them...... >Any suggestions??? > > >Ye Min Than >Internet ProLink PC User > > Ye min, I don't have any of the singles yet but if I can find extra copies from my resources I will try to help. Jamie> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:13:04 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Anyone!!!! To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC417.415CC280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll match her offer and raise her one. :-) I would be interested in = finding these albums as well. Anyone selling either one of these two = please feel free to contact me @ Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu. --Brandon Rhymes ---------- From: Ye Min Than[SMTP:ymthan@iprolink.ch] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 4:47 AM To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Anyone!!!! Hi all, >From the MCMXC A.D. album, there are four singles right??? They are: "Sadness I" "Mea Culpa II" "Principles of Lust" "River of Belief" Am I right??? They are the four singles of MCMXC A.D. I heard that all of these singles are different from those of the album. Well if that so, I am ready to pay quite a sum of money for the singles = of "Principles of Lust" and "River of Belief"..... Do you have them?? I want to buy them...... Any suggestions??? 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This is also the store where I found MCMXC - The Limited Edition for a mere twenty dollars. Cool... //// (. .) ---------------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------- Jeffry McGee mcgee@redshift.com ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 10:27:26 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Brent's message. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Bravo! I subscribed to this mailing list to read posts like Brent's. Very well thought out. I may be the only person on the list that does not take into consideration the lyrics of enigma. As a composer, I am facinated with the instrumental music construction. Most composers do not write lyrics and I was curious to find out if Cretu is involved in writing lyrics? When I hear lyrics I think of them as another instrument being played. I never attempt to figure out the message being conveyed. I have written lyrics when I wrote radio jingles but I hated that end of it. Like I said, the human voice to me is just another instument to be manipulated. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 22:23:02 -0600 From: mdragon@phoenix.net Subject: Callas is superb... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au For the longest time, I had always wondered who Callas was in Enigma's first CD "Callas Went Away". I tried putting all sorts of biblical sense to it, but to no avail. I even went as far as to think she was a nymph, a sprite of some sort...until I read Engima's homepage on the WWW and then I understood. Callas was an opera singer (but I'm sure all of you diehard Enigma fans knew that). Anyway, today, I went to the mall. Browsing the local music store, I was leisurely looking through the CD's when suddenly, I just turned around and BAMM! My eyes fixated on Maria Callas' CD and I instantly recognized the name. Needless to say, I bought it and was absolutely enthralled with her. Her voice is so powerfu, so angry, sometimes. I had never been much of an opera aficionado but Callas (and her connection to Enigma) certainly made me see it all in a new light. I can sometimes recognize certain notes she sings intermingled in 'Callas Went Away' and it just brings a total rush. So for all of you out there, if you never liked opera, you need to try this! Talk about broadening my horizons! Leti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:22:07 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Callas is superb... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Maybe I'll give it a try. It is so funny that I might listen to my parents' music. Ughh! At 10:23 PM 12/11/95 -0600, you wrote: > For the longest time, I had always wondered who Callas was in >Enigma's first CD "Callas Went Away". I tried putting all sorts of biblical >sense to it, but to no avail. I even went as far as to think she was a >nymph, a sprite of some sort...until I read Engima's homepage on the WWW and >then I understood. > > Callas was an opera singer (but I'm sure all of you diehard Enigma >fans knew that). Anyway, today, I went to the mall. Browsing the local >music store, I was leisurely looking through the CD's when suddenly, I just >turned around and BAMM! My eyes fixated on Maria Callas' CD and I instantly >recognized the name. Needless to say, I bought it and was absolutely >enthralled with her. Her voice is so powerfu, so angry, sometimes. I had >never been much of an opera aficionado but Callas (and her connection to >Enigma) certainly made me see it all in a new light. I can sometimes >recognize certain notes she sings intermingled in 'Callas Went Away' and it >just brings a total rush. > > So for all of you out there, if you never liked opera, you need to >try this! Talk about broadening my horizons! > > > Leti > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:39:37 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Christmas Break To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Dear Mailing List Members, I am sorry to say that I am leaving for Cristmas break from school and will not be able to hear from or contact any of you during this ten day period. I have enjoyed knowing you for this short time I have been on the list and have learned a lot about one of my favorite groups. So Merry Christmas to Ye Min, Brandon, Pete (check is in the mail for your tape), Christian, Seether, Severino, Gavin, and anyone I forgot to list. I look forward to mailing you when I return to school. Peace to you all, Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:32:37 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Christmas greetings To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello to you all! This will be my final posting to the mailing list for 1995 because tomorrow I leave on a 5 week holiday to Europe (thanks for all those who gave travelling tips!). During my absence Joar Grimstvedt (joarg@hsr.no) will be looking after the mailing list - please be nice and patient with him! I would also like to take this opportunity to wish you all a safe and festive Christmas. Finally ensure you have a HUGE party for New Year's Eve as is the Australian tradition!! So how did 1995 hold up for us all? Well we saw no new Enigma release but we did get a new Sandra album. On the "sounds like Enigma" board we got a new Deep Forest album, a Dao Dezi album, a new Patrick O'Hearn album, a new Yello album and some nice singles such as Miss Sarajevo by the Passengers (a great single for the other tracks btw), Blue Monday '95 by New Order and Diablo by the Grid. 1995 also exposed me to some great new music - the original musical score for "The Crow" and "Crimson Tide", a reunion with the soundtrack to "Electric Dreams" (a favourite movie of mine when I was young), some more exposure to Michael Cretu ("Belle Epoque"), and exposure to other albums such as "Moodfood" by Moodswings, the soundtrack to Schindler's List, the bootleg to Blade Runner, "The Adventures of Charlie Chan", "Nomad", and "p.u.l.s.e." by Pink Floyd. And 1996? Well 1996 holds the much anticipated Enigma III, the release of Vangelis' new album in Australia and who knows what else - perhaps a new Jean Michel Jarre release or perhaps a new Yello release. Regardless to say it will be another year of exciting music - some by artists we all know, and some by a new and upcoming artist just as one Mr. Michael Cretu was in 1990. They say that music makes the world go 'round - with a membership of nearly 500 on this mailing list, we are a small but powerful testimony to it. Take care everyone! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** ** ** ENIGMA WWW ** ** (Australiasia): http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ** (United States): http://www.spikes.com/enigma ** *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 01:10:34 +0100 From: perta@sn.no (Per Terje Aune) Subject: Christmas Greetings! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au *** Just felt like wishing you all a merry christmas and a happy new year! *** Per Terje Aune ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:38:05 -0800 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos) Subject: Constantine-Sandra videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi Severino! > >Where did you get the Ten on One video? Is it in SECAM format? >Can you send me more info via e-mail about that video? > Hi Constantine I bought the video Ten on One from one of those shops on the internet on this address http://www.demon.co.uk/pastel/ The Tape contains the videos STOP FOR A MINUTE LOREEN EVERLASTING LOVE INNOCENT LOVE MARIA MAGDALENA HI HI HI IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT LITTLE GIRL MIDNIGHT MAN DON'T CRY (THE BREAKEUP OF THE WORLD) My copy was in the european format but I sent out to convert in american format. The only problem is if you have a stereo VCR. After the conversion the tracking on my tape doesn't hold the stereo well. If you have a mono vcr everything is great. Let me know if you wanna a copy? Severo From L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:13:52 +0100 From: Sven Puklowski Subject: Constantine-Sandra videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hiho ! >I bought the video Ten on One from one of those shops on the internet >on this address http://www.demon.co.uk/pastel/ >My copy was in the european format but I sent out to convert in american format. > The only problem is if you have a stereo VCR. >After the conversion the tracking on my tape doesn't hold the stereo well. >If you have a mono vcr everything is great. >Let me know if you wanna a copy? Information about the diffrent formats. Pal and Secam can you watch with every PAL/SECAM Video... if your video cant play Pal/ Secam the Picture is only Black/White... NTSC is very hard... (for people from Europe) you dont see any picture and hear only the Sound. But Goldstar released a great Video (VERY VERY CHEAP) he play NTSC and PAL and Secam East (I bought the Video for three days and Im very very happy... ) he transform the Picture absolut GREAT !!! Its a great alternativ for the diffrent formats around the world ! But important, you cant transform with the Video in the other Formats to another Video , you can only watch the Films and cant make copys !!!! If you want to make a copy, you need a expensive Transformer or you buy two Videos from the same system... Sandra released two Videos... the other one is the Greatest Hits Video. Tschuess Sven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:13:50 PST From: kclouser@bright.net Subject: Cool Samples of Enigma... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey whats up? I recently found a 1-800 # to call & get good samples of music, it has a computer driven thing where you just make selections by pushing buttons on the phone, it's 1-800-687-4266 . When you get in and it asks you what kind of music you like , pick rock , then go to the mall to sample music, it's pretty cool from there you type in enigma with the keypad on the phone and you can sample The Cross of Changes and MCMXC A.D.. it's pretty eassy & cool. I tried sandra but I couldn't find her, but there may as well be other cool groups there, by the way you can buy cd's fom this # with a credit card or whatever they use , MCMXC A.D. is 15.99 and probably the same for the Cross of Changes. But you don't have to buy to sample it!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:07:29 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Cretu excerpts (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > From mozaic@kaiwan.com Thu Dec 14 10:31:31 1995 > Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:31:03 -0800 (PST) > From: MOZAIC > To: Owner-enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Subject: Cretu excerpts > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > 1. Dear Leti, destiny and God are two entirely different things. Monogamy > might be healthy but it is very boring. Sade is more interesting than any > religion. > > 2. For those of you who are interested, a few excerpts from a Cretu > interview with Rolling Stone, 1991, I think : > on MCMXC- " I didn't want to write songs, I wanted to write MOODS", " > tired of current pop and inspired by both the Art of Noise and Pink > Floyd, I set about making an album I would enjoy listening to. It was > like revenge against everything I was hearing." > " What Madonna and Prince did is pure marketing-it's predicated on > causing scandal. It's not a sexual music that I did, it's SENSUAL music. > And there's a big difference". > " The institution of the church doesn't really fit with our times. I > believe in destiny, which is a much more powerful belief." > > 3. The movie Money Train has I love you...I'll kill you on the > soundtrack. The movie itself is horribly stupid, propaganda for the > friendship between whites and blacks. Why does Cretu accept to have his > music associated with trashy movies like Sliver, Boxing Helena, Single > White Female and the one above ? > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 07:23:51 -0600 From: mdragon@phoenix.net Subject: Cretu excerpts (fwd) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Forwarded message: >> From mozaic@kaiwan.com Thu Dec 14 10:31:31 1995 >> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:31:03 -0800 (PST) >> From: MOZAIC >> To: Owner-enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> Subject: Cretu excerpts >> Message-ID: >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> Yes, I understand what you are saying about Sade and all, and in some ways it IS much more interesting, but that's because it is always easier to give in to temptations than to withhold, no? What is your defintion of destiny and God? Leti >> 1. Dear Leti, destiny and God are two entirely different things. Monogamy >> might be healthy but it is very boring. Sade is more interesting than any >> religion. >> >> 2. For those of you who are interested, a few excerpts from a Cretu >> interview with Rolling Stone, 1991, I think : >> on MCMXC- " I didn't want to write songs, I wanted to write MOODS", " >> tired of current pop and inspired by both the Art of Noise and Pink >> Floyd, I set about making an album I would enjoy listening to. It was >> like revenge against everything I was hearing." >> " What Madonna and Prince did is pure marketing-it's predicated on >> causing scandal. It's not a sexual music that I did, it's SENSUAL music. >> And there's a big difference". >> " The institution of the church doesn't really fit with our times. I >> believe in destiny, which is a much more powerful belief." >> >> 3. The movie Money Train has I love you...I'll kill you on the >> soundtrack. The movie itself is horribly stupid, propaganda for the >> friendship between whites and blacks. Why does Cretu accept to have his >> music associated with trashy movies like Sliver, Boxing Helena, Single >> White Female and the one above ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:16:35 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Cretu excerpts (fwd) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au GAVIN, I think that Cretu might get paid for this or does this as a favor or quite possibly to attract new fans. My ex-girlfriend was not interested at all in Enigma until she heard it in Sliver then she got turned on to it. Sadness part 1 was also used in trailers for 1492, and Body of Evidence. I may be stupid but when I hear a song I like playing during a trailer for a movie it interests me more than usual. Just like now one of my other favorite musicians Moby has been allowing several different shows and movies use his music such as the preview currently showing for heat. I wish everyone would give Moby's most recent album Everything is Wrong a chance, it was recently tabbed as the number 1 album of 1995 by Spin Magazine. His music is not for everyone but there are some tracks on the album that I think poeple on this list might enjoy. At 06:07 PM 12/14/95 +1100, you wrote: >Forwarded message: >> From mozaic@kaiwan.com Thu Dec 14 10:31:31 1995 >> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:31:03 -0800 (PST) >> From: MOZAIC >> To: Owner-enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> Subject: Cretu excerpts >> Message-ID: >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> >> 1. Dear Leti, destiny and God are two entirely different things. Monogamy >> might be healthy but it is very boring. Sade is more interesting than any >> religion. >> >> 2. For those of you who are interested, a few excerpts from a Cretu >> interview with Rolling Stone, 1991, I think : >> on MCMXC- " I didn't want to write songs, I wanted to write MOODS", " >> tired of current pop and inspired by both the Art of Noise and Pink >> Floyd, I set about making an album I would enjoy listening to. It was >> like revenge against everything I was hearing." >> " What Madonna and Prince did is pure marketing-it's predicated on >> causing scandal. It's not a sexual music that I did, it's SENSUAL music. >> And there's a big difference". >> " The institution of the church doesn't really fit with our times. I >> believe in destiny, which is a much more powerful belief." >> >> 3. The movie Money Train has I love you...I'll kill you on the >> soundtrack. The movie itself is horribly stupid, propaganda for the >> friendship between whites and blacks. Why does Cretu accept to have his >> music associated with trashy movies like Sliver, Boxing Helena, Single >> White Female and the one above ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:17:23 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Cretu excerpts (fwd) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>> >Yes, I understand what you are saying about Sade and all, and in some ways >it IS much more interesting, but that's because it is always easier to give >in to temptations than to withhold, no? > >What is your defintion of destiny and God? > > > Leti Amen Leti. What is Cretu's Definition of Destiny and God ? I had always thought they were one in the same. Personally I believe that music centered around a story of someone resisting temtation would be interesting. Hope this is not too far off topic. --Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:51:19 -0500 From: yakko@sentex.net Subject: Delerium To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au By the way, does anyone know that Delerium is actually Front Line Assembly, the industrial giants, under a different name? Just a tidbit of information I though I should share, mainly to point out that composers can make something totally heavy and incoherent on one hand, and something totally soft and serene on the other. Just my $0.02 Krisztian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:20:45 -0700 From: Robert Eldredge Subject: Delerium To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just picked up Delerium "Semantec Spaces". It is Awsome! Is Semantec Spaces the only Delerium album? Do any of you know of any others with this type of sound? I really enjoy the sound of Enigma & Delerium and hope to find more like it. --==[Robert Eldredge]==-- --==[http://www.goodnet.com/~roberte]==-- --==[roberte@goodnet.com]==-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:18:05 -0500 From: yakko@sentex.net Subject: Delerium To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I also just picked up Delerium's Semantic Spaces. Haven't really had a chance to listen to it, but what I did listen to was pretty cool. I also picked up the new(?) Front Line Assembly CD, "Corroded Disorder". If any of you like heavy industrial, you'll love this album and others by FLA. It's amazing that those two guys, Bill Leeb & Rhys Fulber can make two totally different sounding bands, one soft, the other very heavy. If anyone is interested, B.L.&R.F. also have another name for themselves, it's Noisebox. Krisztian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:17:12 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > From ianm@servantis.com Wed Dec 13 00:49:13 1995 > From: Ian Mercado > To: "'smtp:owner-enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" > Subject: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" > Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 08:21:00 PST > Message-Id: <30CDAD80@email.> > Encoding: 29 TEXT > X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 > > > Well, I went into Best Buy shopping for Christmas presents last weekend, and > was surprised to find a ton of albums that have been recommended on this > mailing list. I wound up buying Delerium's "Semantic Spaces", Dao Dezi's > "World Mix Album", and two imported Enigma remix albums "The Age Of > Loneliness" and "Return to Innocence". > > Anyway, after listening to Semantic Spaces a couple of times, I'd have to > definitely recommend it to everyone else in this group. After the first > couple tracks, I was beginning to wonder why this album was supposed to be > so good, but by track 4 (Incantation), things got much better. I wouldn't > put it above any of the Enigma albums for a couple of reasons: there are a > couple of tracks on there that don't completely agree with me like both > Enigma albums do in their entirety....and there really is no "theme" that > pervails throughout the album, even though the music flows rather well from > track to track. > > I'd say more about the Dao Dezi album, but I haven't listened to it > completely yet. It's a little more "Frenchy" and tends to remind me of > Jean-Michel Jarre more than Enigma, but it's still pretty good (although the > French lyrics aren't nearly as seductive as the French Lyrics from "MCMXC > A.D.") > > Anyway, Best Buy does seem to have a good selection of Enigmatic music, so I > recommend you guys check it out whenever you get a chance (heck, I wouldn't > have gone in there myself if I didn't hear someone on this list mention the > luck they had finding stuff in there). > > Ian > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:40:40 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Delerium's Semantic Spaces (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au From: Ian Mercado Subject: Delerium's Semantic Spaces Date: Thu, 21 Dec 95 12:54:00 PST > Just picked up Delerium "Semantec Spaces". It is Awsome! Is Semantec > Spaces the only Delerium album? Do any of you know of any others with this > type of sound? I really enjoy the sound of Enigma & Delerium and hope to > find more like it. > --==[Robert Eldredge]==-- When I bought Semantic Spaces, there was another album in there from Delerium. I was too chicken to buy it though (plus I was already spending WAY too much money on CDs as it was). Can't remember the name...I'll look for it again next time I'm in Best Buy. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:43:30 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Enigma's style To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, If you guys are looking desperately for Enigma-like music, don't look any further. Why are you guys looking things too far away??? If you guys are serious about Enigma-like music, listen to SANDRA!!! Michael produced and composed all her albums. I'm now listening SANDRA's "Paintings in Yellow" album. In that album, there is a song called "The Journey". It sounds exactly like Enigma "without chantings". I am sure if you enjoy Enigma, you'll surely like that song "The Journey". All the people that involve in Enigma appears in Sandra's albums, like Michael Cretu, Angel, Frank Peterson, Peter Cornelius, David Fairstein,...etc. Ye Min Than Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 20:43:11 -0500 From: triant@pegasus.montclair.edu (Constantine Triantafillou) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #238 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: Enigma-digest V1 #238 > From mozaic@kaiwan.com Tue Dec 12 05:17:22 1995 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) > From: MOZAIC > To: Owner-enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Subject: MCMXC vs. COC > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > MCMXC was a provocative, perverse and subversive album. Above all, it had > the merit of introducing the charmingly insane Marquis de Sade to the > masses; sado-masochism via Gregorian chants, what a fascinating concept ! > > On the other hand, " The Cross of Changes" is nothing but a collection of > dreadful platitudes. How could an "intellectual" write such horrible, > vomitive lyrics ? Return to Innocence and Silent Warrior are especially > infantile and laughable. > I suggest that we all collect some money and buy Mr. Cretu a few > instructive books. It seems to me that he has not opened one in decades. O.k that's your opinion. Cretu however is a great composer IMHO. > Razvan Verzeanu > > P.S. > Although, like most Romanians, Mr. Cretu is Greek Orthodox, he does not > believe in God but in destiny. ( I read this in an interview with him). Is he really Greek Orthodox? That's quite interesting! :-) > That's a little bit pathetic and snobbish, don't you think ? > > To me if he does not believe in God, he is Greek Orthodox Christian in theory, yet he has the right to have his own beliefs. Regards, Constantine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:35:55 -0500 (EST) From: ALEXANDERK@wmich.edu Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #246 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au hey, i just got deep forests "marta's song". anyone else heard this? do you think it is good? it reminds me of enigma, the base and melody line in places. is the person in this cd (male)doing the somewhat native chants the same person who worked with enigma on the cross of changes? or someone else? anyone like this cd? it has a two mixes of rainforest crunch, and armands muslim moose mix, and deep forest mix. i would recommend this cd to all enigma lovers, as its sound resembles enigma. apologies to those of you who think we should not speak of any other band here but enigma, but as you all know, the sound of enigma is in need of a new cd to quench the listening thirst of all enigmites. until then, i will search for sounds similar to enigma. peace, love and happy holidays from kim alexander michigan, usa. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 12:38:44 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #246 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, >hey, i just got deep forests "marta's song". >anyone else heard this? do you think it is good? Yes, I have Deep Forest' both album. "Marta's song" is good but not as refined and sophisticated as Michael Cretu. Nothing close to Enigma though. "Marta's song" is interpreted by a singer called Marta Sebestyen. The Chants that you hear at the backgroubd are taken from the CD "Music From Transylvania" and "The Music of Aborigines on Taiwan, The songs of the Yami Tribe Island Vol.3". >it reminds me of enigma, the base and melody line in places. >is the person in this cd (male)doing the somewhat native chants the same >person who worked with enigma on the cross of changes? >or someone else? anyone like this cd? The people behind Deep Forest are Eric Mouquet and Michel Sanchez. They are French. They have nothing to do with Enigma. No relations whatsoever. Deep Forest has relations with Dao Dezi though.... > the sound of enigma is in need of a new >cd to quench the listening thirst of all enigmites. >until then, i will search for sounds similar to enigma. >peace, love and happy holidays from >kim alexander >michigan, usa. > > If you're looking for Enigma-like music, here is a list: 1.Sandra's albums 2.Deep Forest - "Deep Forest", "Boheme" 3.Delerium - "Semantic Spaces" 4.Dao Dezi - "World Remix Album" 5.Dead Can Dance - some of their albums, not all are alike Enigma 6.Vangelis - "1492" 7."Behind the Eyes" Vol.II, Eye Q Records 8.Indian Sacred Spirits - "Sacred Spirits" Ye Min Than Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 02:04:40 +0200 (EET) From: Laura Porceddu Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #246 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Reply to Kim Alexander: I just wanted to say all new suggestions for listening are welcome I find it is the best way to communicate, instead of speaking always about the same questions... which one is the best of Enigma CD's and so on... can be boring if it goes on for a very long time??? , and I find it nice anyway to discover new things... Anyway, I haven't heard it, but now I go to search it... Bye Laura from Helsinki On Tue, 19 Dec 1995 ALEXANDERK@wmich.edu wrote: > hey, i just got deep forests "marta's song". > anyone else heard this? do you think it is good? > it reminds me of enigma, the base and melody line in places. > is the person in this cd (male)doing the somewhat native chants the same > person who worked with enigma on the cross of changes? > or someone else? anyone like this cd? > it has a two mixes of rainforest crunch, and armands muslim moose mix, and > deep forest mix. > i would recommend this cd to all enigma lovers, as its sound resembles > enigma. > apologies to those of you who think we should not speak of any other band > here but enigma, but as you all know, the sound of enigma is in need of a new > cd to quench the listening thirst of all enigmites. > until then, i will search for sounds similar to enigma. > peace, love and happy holidays from > kim alexander > michigan, usa. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:40:19 -0500 From: GABBY19973@aol.com Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #246 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi guys... this is my first time posting on the list :-) I love Enigma... Does anyone know if they will be coming out with another album in the near future????? Thanks , Kristen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 23:58:54 -0500 From: triant@pegasus.montclair.edu (Constantine Triantafillou) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #246 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Enigma-digest Wednesday, 20 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 246 About Sandra Videos Re: About Sandra Videos Re: About Sandra Videos ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos) >Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 18:49:03 -0800 >Subject: About Sandra Videos >I just got the Video Ten on One with the greatest videos of Sandra and I'm >dying to know who is the gorgeous guy doing the vocals on Innocent Love, In >the heat of the night and Maria Magdalena. >Does anybody knows? >Also I just found another album by Inga and Anette Humpe called "Humpe AND >Humpe. Hi Severino! Where did you get the Ten on One video? Is it in SECAM format? Can you send me more info via e-mail about that video? Take Care! Constantine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:55:30 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #246 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au yep, Enigma III this spring look for a big update in April. At 11:40 PM 12/19/95 -0500, you wrote: > > >Hi guys... this is my first time posting on the list :-) I love Enigma... >Does anyone know if they will be coming out with another album in the near >future????? > >Thanks , >Kristen > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:42:27 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #246 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey Kim, I've heard the album and Marta's Song is my favorite. The first time I heard it was when I was trying to sleep and it gave me nightmares. I still love the song though. Jamie At 03:35 PM 12/19/95 -0500, you wrote: >hey, i just got deep forests "marta's song". >anyone else heard this? do you think it is good? >it reminds me of enigma, the base and melody line in places. >is the person in this cd (male)doing the somewhat native chants the same >person who worked with enigma on the cross of changes? >or someone else? anyone like this cd? >it has a two mixes of rainforest crunch, and armands muslim moose mix, and >deep forest mix. >i would recommend this cd to all enigma lovers, as its sound resembles >enigma. >apologies to those of you who think we should not speak of any other band >here but enigma, but as you all know, the sound of enigma is in need of a new >cd to quench the listening thirst of all enigmites. >until then, i will search for sounds similar to enigma. >peace, love and happy holidays from >kim alexander >michigan, usa. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 21:44:30 -0600 From: cherae@intersurf.com (cherae dejean) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #247 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Welcome Tom, I think it is very possible to like both NIN and Enigma...I do too. Regards, Cherae >Enigma-digest Thursday, 21 December 1995 Volume 01 : Number 247 > >> >>Name: Tom Everard >>Age: 20 >>Albums: The two normal releases, and age of lonliness single (not much, but >>looking to acquire more) >> >>Job: Student >> >>Other favorite artists: (Don't laugh at the variance) Eric Clapton, Seal, ONe >>Dove, Sarah McLachlan, Billy Joel, Sting/The police, Peter Gabriel, The >>Beatles, Nine Inch Nails (yes, I do like all these bands/artists) >> :> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Dec 1995 20:21:59 -0700 (MST) From: "Eric T. Schaffner" Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #251 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Mon, 25 Dec 1995 Owner-enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au wrote: > Just picked up Delerium "Semantec Spaces". It is Awsome! Is Semantec > Spaces the only Delerium album? Do any of you know of any others with this > type of sound? I really enjoy the sound of Enigma & Delerium and hope to > find more like it. > --==[Robert Eldredge]==-- Delerium has recorded a number of albums over the years. Most of them are on a german label and are hard to get a hold of here in the US. There's a discography for Delerium at Nettwerk records homepage I believe the URL is http://www.nettwerk.com/ select the artists section. If you like industrial music, Delerium's two musicians, Bill Leeb and Rhys Fulber, also form the group Front Line Assembly. FLA has quite a few albums out. -ETS ___________________________________________________________ Eric T. Schaffner Mail: schaffet@Colorado.EDU MCD Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder "Sade, es-tu diabolique, ou divin?" -CMC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 18:59:58 +0000 From: "jima" Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #253 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au We'd also like to send you all best Holiday Greetings with all good things to happen in '96' Jim n Ellen jima@etv.net tnt \\//. Jim and Ellen Anderson ax25 kg7bc@egate.nc7f.ampr.org email jima@etv.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:23:42 -0600 From: Falcon Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #255 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 01:12:23 +0100 >Subject: Re: Introduction > >> Greetings everyone. I am 16 years of age, and I absolutely love >>Enigma. My collection includes the Limited Edition MCMXC a.D. album, and the >>Enigma 2 Cross of Changes album. I am hunting for, (and probably am not >>likely to find) the Limited Edition remix of the Enigma 2 album. If anyone >>can reccommend some other good remix albums I'd be grateful. Thanks. >> > >"The Omen Mix" of Principles of Lust is excellent...even better than the >original one. It is on the single "Principles of Lust" CD. > > >Enjoy listening to > >the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... > > >------------------------------ > >End of Enigma-digest V1 #255 >**************************** > > ___ >|__ >|___NIGMA DIGEST All queries: Enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I'll be able to find this one in the US right? The part of the country I live in is rather sparse as far as availability of albums goes. Do you know if there is a place where I can order cd's and other Enigma merchandise from? Just wondering, thanks. Christopher /------ /-----/ / /----- /-----/ / / / / / / / / / / \ / /---- /-----/ / / / / / \ / / / / / / / / / \ / / / / / / / / / \/ / / / /_____ /______ /_____/ / / ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 15:40:15 +0000 From: "jima" Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #255 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Again All :-) Had a great Christmas and am planning a prosperous New Year, as I hope all of you have also! Ellen and I are anxiously awaiting the Enigma III project, as we have the first two, which I'm sure will be at least as "loveable", "enjoyable", and as exciting as the others. To ncutler....really liked the re-post of the "politically correct" Christmas.....will, with your permission, put it in our area amateur radio newsletter next year. Ellen and I are interested in some sources for the out of USA releases like the Limited edition albums and the like....any info on those possibilities would be appreciated. Keep up the great works and Long Live the Enigmatic Experiences. tnt \\//. Jim and Ellen Anderson ax25 kg7bc@egate.nc7f.ampr.org email jima@etv.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 20:29:45 -0500 From: MadaMocha@aol.com Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #255 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In a message dated 95-12-28 18:45:35 EST, you write: > Ellen and I are interested in some sources for the out of USA >releases like the Limited edition albums and the like....any info on >those possibilities would be appreciated. Have you tried ordering the imports from Spec's, Blockbuster Music, Camelot, or any other franchise music store? I found my limited editons at Spec's. Blockbuster, was going to special order them, they usually have these titles in their computers. Good luck! MadaMocha ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Dec 1995 09:24:22 +0000 From: "jima" Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #256 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all....talk about variances.. try this: Two of my most favorites of course are the two Enigma's, the video we have is Sadness pt1 n Mea Culpa: Switched on Bach (synthesizer), Maria Carrey, Michael Jackson (Dangerous), Seal (the latest), Michael Bolton....(now for the stretch), War, Sly and the Family Stone, Def Leppard, Aerosmith, Moody Blues (another of my favorites), Schroeder's Greatest Hits (from the Peanuts characters), Bela Fleck, Marvin Gaye, Depeche Mode, and I am looking into getting one from D'Cuckoo (cyberband extraordinaire), and last but not least the Utah Symphony Orchestra, John Tesh, and Yanni. Plenty of sounds from around 135 cd's and growing. Thanks to Madamocha: For the suggestion on the location possibilities of "the other releases"... we have a great music store in Price, Utah (about 35 miles north of or location) that we frequent and in fact, they have had many occasions to "enjoy the challenge" that we have presented them with...."the Mad Platter" Thanks all for the Digest...really enjoy the "common ground" of the Enigma's. A Happy and Prosperous New Year to ALL!! = ;-)) tnt \\//. Jim and Ellen Anderson ax25 kg7bc@egate.nc7f.ampr.org email jima@etv.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:40:17 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Enigma-fan To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au There is an IRC conversation right now going on for Enigma. Join Enigma-Fan tonight.. Saturday night... or day.. or Sunday morning.. whatever time it may be for you. :-) --Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Dec 95 14:05 PST From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler) Subject: Enigma-fan To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just like to make sure that it's #enigma_fan not #enigma-fan (there is a difference. BTW, I've noticed that most people that join #enigma_fan are users that aren't on the mailing list! so come guys, join the others! ;) |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=Neil) | ,____| equestrian fan & rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn long "enough, he'll stop trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing in "my mouth." "Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 09:49:20 EST From: fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM (Carl C. Fogelin) Subject: Enigma I & II To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Ok, time for someone to voice the flip side. I like Cross of Changes better than MCX... I think it is more melodious, as opposed to "feel-ly" like I get from the first one. That's not to say I dislike the first album, rather, I just have a preference. I suspect my preference was strongly influenced by me buying Cross of Changes first. Once I had played that CD so many times that I knew it backwards and forwards I then got MCX... which was definitely different and kind of weird. I have since grown very fond of it, but I still like Cross of Changes better. Carl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Fogelin (fogelinc@pt.cyanamid.com) "All opinions are strictly mine" Computer pioneer Seymour Cray, described the characteristics of Virtual Memory Operating Systems as follows: Memory is like an orgasm. It's a lot better if you don't have to fake it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander DeDios Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Carl C. Fogelin wrote: > I suspect my preference was strongly influenced by me buying Cross of > Changes first. Once I had played that CD so many times that I knew it > backwards and forwards I then got MCX... which was definitely different > and kind of weird. I have since grown very fond of it, but I still like > Cross of Changes better. > > Carl I personally think that it is true. Imagine COC coming out first. if people really fall in love with that type of music first, then they might expect the next release to share similarities. If MXC was released second, people might have expected it to be more like COC and therefore may not "love" it as much. Of course this is all hypothetical and a moot point. It could easily go the other way. All I'm waiting for is what Curly M.C. will come up with next. I hope he teams up with F.Peterson and the rest of the "Gregorian" gang. My 2 cents. - Alex de Dios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 13:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: JHOSEL@cmcvax.mckenna.edu Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au My name is Jenny Hosel, and I agree with Carl. I also like TCOC better than MCX. I think this is due to my obsession with the song "return to innocence." It is my favorite song in the world and I listen to it any chance I get. The only song that is similar to it is "river of belief" on MCX (they both are lead by the same male voice, although I'm not sure who that voice belongs to). My experience has been that if I want to go to sleep I should listen to MCX. However if I want to be inspired to do anything active (ie. play tennis, write, study, rollerblade, etc.) then TCOC is what I listen to. I have nothing against MCX, I just like TCOC better. -Jen P.S. I, like Carl, bought TCOC before MCX, so maybe that has something to do with my preference. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:06:10 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 01:33 PM 12/7/95 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Carl C. Fogelin wrote: > >> I suspect my preference was strongly influenced by me buying Cross of >> Changes first. Once I had played that CD so many times that I knew it >> backwards and forwards I then got MCX... which was definitely different >> and kind of weird. I have since grown very fond of it, but I still like >> Cross of Changes better. >> >> Carl > >I personally think that it is true. Imagine COC coming out first. if >people really fall in love with that type of music first, then they might >expect the next release to share similarities. If MXC was released second, >people might have expected it to be more like COC and therefore may not >"love" it as much. > >Of course this is all hypothetical and a moot point. It could easily go >the other way. > >All I'm waiting for is what Curly M.C. will come up with next. I >hope he teams up with F.Peterson and the rest of the "Gregorian" gang. > >My 2 cents. >- Alex de Dios > > >Here is my 2 cents, It seems to me that whichever Enigma album that you were first exposed to seems (not always) to be the one that you favor. I think that the first one is better because I can create stories in my mind to which MXC could be the soundtrack that would continuously play. With COC I feel that the songs don't have as much continuity involved. The songs on COC have that more "pop" feel so they stand on their own better where as I feel that with MXC you will constantly want to hear that album from start to finish. I used to find that I could not fall asleep to COC because the styles changed a bit and I could not maintain a single "Groove" where I could on MXC. I am biased though because MXC is one of the few albums that I use to help my insomnia. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 09:25:22 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I am rather suprized that nobody talks about the music of Vangelis. I believe he is much better than Enya and Tangerine Dream. He was the composer that wrote the award winning soundtrack to "Chariots of Fire." The piano theme he used for that movie has become the most popular piano piece of all time. I am sure that Vangelis is one of Michael Cretu's greatest influences. Yes, Vangels has been composing this type of music since cretu was a kid. My favorite Vangelis CD is "Direct." If you like enigma you will like the CD "Direct." "The City" by Vangelis is very good too. The music that I compose is similair to Vangelis or at least that is what I have been told by almost everybody that has heard my tape. Check out Vangelis. You will enjoy his music. Maybe even more than Enigma. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:05:32 EST From: fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM (Carl C. Fogelin) Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >I am rather suprized that nobody talks about the music of Vangelis. I >believe he is much better than Enya and Tangerine Dream. Yes indeed, Vangelis is quite a good composer and you're right, he hasn't been discussed lately on this list. I too love "Direct" and his music adds an incredible feel to the movie "Blade Runner". Another artist whom you might like to try is Andreas Vollenweider. His work is more ethereal, but still quite fascinating. Carl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Fogelin (fogelinc@pt.cyanamid.com) "All opinions are strictly mine" Computer pioneer Seymour Cray, described the characteristics of Virtual Memory Operating Systems as follows: Memory is like an orgasm. It's a lot better if you don't have to fake it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 08:51:17 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, >Check out Vangelis. You will enjoy his music. Maybe even more than Enigma. > >Pete Geisheker > I know Vangelis and like him very much but you can not compare Enigma and Vangelis. They are two different kinds of music. As a composer Pete, you should know that. Vangelis is much more comparable with Jean-Michel Jarre. These two emphasize mainly on instrumental. Nothing like Enigma. Jarre has broken the music barrier with "Oxygene" in the 70s. Michael Cretu has done the same in 90s. These three composers are great. Award winning does not necessarily mean one is better than the other. When it comes to creativity and refinement, Michael Cretu is the best. His music is deeper, and much more meaniful than the other two. Michael Cretu is my best and favorite composer. I don't see anyone who can compose a better music at this moment than Michael Cretu. Do you see anyone Pete Geisheker?????? YMT Internet ProLink PC User ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 16:48:30 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yes, Andreas Volldenweider (sp????) is very good. He is kind of like new age jazz if I had to label it. If you do like good jazz, as I do, check out the group "Special EFX." They have like a dozen CD's out. One of my favorites is "Slice of Life." This is some of the warmest, happiest music I have ever heard. If I was stuck on a desert island and could only choose one group to listen to it would be Special EFX. Yes, even over enigma. Nothing makes me feel good like the music of Special EFX. It is not "old" hard to listen to jazz. It is just beautiful jazz-based new age instrumental music. It contains tons of world percussion instruments and has beautiful melodies and chord progressions with just enough jazz to make it really tasty. If you like jazz at all, you will love Special EFX! Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 20:54:35 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Ye Min Than wrote: > Hi all, > > > >Check out Vangelis. You will enjoy his music. Maybe even more than Enigma. > > > >Pete Geisheker > > > > I know Vangelis and like him very much but you can not compare Enigma and > Vangelis. They are two different kinds of music. As a composer Pete, you > should know that. > > Vangelis is much more comparable with Jean-Michel Jarre. These two emphasize > mainly on instrumental. Nothing like Enigma. Jarre has broken the music > barrier with "Oxygene" in the 70s. Michael Cretu has done the same in 90s. > > These three composers are great. Award winning does not necessarily mean one > is better than the other. When it comes to creativity and refinement, > Michael Cretu is the best. His music is deeper, and much more meaniful than > the other two. Michael Cretu is my best and favorite composer. > > I don't see anyone who can compose a better music at this moment than > Michael Cretu. Do you see anyone Pete Geisheker?????? > > YMT > Internet ProLink PC User > > I'm not really comparing the two artists. Michael Cretu has done a terrific job refining an art created by other composers. Accept for adding the chanting monks, the music has few original qualities. I really don't think that Cretu is an innovator like Vangelis and Jarre. Cretu is very good at what he does but I do not think he is the genius that both Vangelis and Jarre are. I am not bashing enigma. I love the music. However, I do know enough about composing to know the complexities of music and the music of enigma is quite simplistic. It's a hell of a lot better than what I can do but then again I don't have a mulitmillion dollar recording studio at my beckoning call. I will admit that I am a copy cat. My music has no original qualities. All of my ideas and techniques for composing were learned from studying the music of Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Jarre, Sade, Sting, Peter Gabriel, and most recently Enigma and Deep Forest. And I am man enough to admit that my music is not going to create a new trend in the music industry. Far from it. I'm a composer with average talent writing average music. I am not Michael Cretu by a long shot. If I was as talented as Cretu I would have a music career instead of sitting here talking about the music of someone else. Enough said. Peter C. Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:16:17 +0200 From: Laura Porceddu Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au It's mostly just a matter of taste.... I, for example bought also CoC first and then MCMXC... I love both of them, they are just different.... (this was actually a test message... :) ) - Sebastian Porceddu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:31:31 +0200 From: Laura Porceddu Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au 1492 soundtrack by Vangelis is also cool.. some bits sound like Cross of Changes 'cos there's some indian original music at the background. Sebastian Porceddu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:18:49 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I would like to add to this; however. that I feel that Cretu's music is much more complex, and infinetly deeper than the music tha predominates the popular music industry today. I don't consider the work of Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Toadies, Weezer, Green day, The Foo Fighters, STP, Tripping Daisy, or Madonna to have even near the depth and meaning that the music of Enigma does. Cretu's work is definetly far superior to much music that exists that is quite alot more popular than his own. (in the U.S. At least) Sincerely, Brandon Rhymes >I'm not really comparing the two artists. Michael Cretu has done a >terrific job refining an art created by other composers. Accept for >adding the chanting monks, the music has few original qualities. I >really don't think that Cretu is an innovator like Vangelis and Jarre. >Cretu is very good at what he does but I do not think he is the genius >that both Vangelis and Jarre are. I am not bashing enigma. I love the >music. However, I do know enough about composing to know the >complexities of music and the music of enigma is quite simplistic. It's >a hell of a lot better than what I can do but then again I don't have a >mulitmillion dollar recording studio at my beckoning call. I will admit >that I am a copy cat. My music has no original qualities. All of my >ideas and techniques for composing were learned from studying the music >of Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Jarre, Sade, Sting, Peter Gabriel, and most >recently Enigma and Deep Forest. And I am man enough to admit that my >music is not going to create a new trend in the music industry. Far from >it. I'm a composer with average talent writing average music. I am not >Michael Cretu by a long shot. If I was as talented as Cretu I would have >a music career instead of sitting here talking about the music of someone >else. Enough said. > >Peter C. Geisheker > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:10:40 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I very greatly appreciate your modesty on this matter PETE.. as I am sure that everyone does. They key here is; however, that Michael's work has caught on, and made this type of music more popular and mainstream. In that way I feel that he is making a great contribution to revolution in the music industry. I will agree with you, the fundamentals of his music are quite simplistic. The one's of MCMXC a.D. are very sicilian and simplistic throughout the entire CD. The Rythym used in Sadeness has been used many times, by many different artists. It is more in the what he does with the rythym that makes so good. Let us think about simplicity in music right quick. Just because music is simple does not mean that it is inferior in any way. The music of the great Baroque composers (i.e. bach, Vivaldi, Handel..) is really quite simple. They used small string Quartets, or chamber orchestras, to create very large moving sound. Relative to the classical works of Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, or Rimsky Korsakov, their music was very simple. It lacked the depth that was offered by the huge Orchestral works that were so popular in the classical period. However, the music of the Baroque period is still recognized as great music that has withstood the test of time to still be with us today. (Although many people complain that it sounds the same. In reality it all is very similar.) This music IS more complex than the work of Enigma, but one must remember that it was composed in a time when music was quite different than it is today. No popular music of today compares with the depth, or complexity of the great works of the classical period. Oh well.. I've rambled long enough once again, time for me to go eat.. I hope maybe this will give you a different perspective on this matter. Sincerely, Brandon Rhymes Bigger isn't ALWAYS better. Don't think i could spell Rythym right for the life of me.. >I'm not really comparing the two artists. Michael Cretu has done a >terrific job refining an art created by other composers. Accept for >adding the chanting monks, the music has few original qualities. I >really don't think that Cretu is an innovator like Vangelis and Jarre. >Cretu is very good at what he does but I do not think he is the genius >that both Vangelis and Jarre are. I am not bashing enigma. I love the >music. However, I do know enough about composing to know the >complexities of music and the music of enigma is quite simplistic. It's >a hell of a lot better than what I can do but then again I don't have a >mulitmillion dollar recording studio at my beckoning call. I will admit >that I am a copy cat. My music has no original qualities. All of my >ideas and techniques for composing were learned from studying the music >of Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Jarre, Sade, Sting, Peter Gabriel, and most >recently Enigma and Deep Forest. And I am man enough to admit that my >music is not going to create a new trend in the music industry. Far from >it. I'm a composer with average talent writing average music. I am not >Michael Cretu by a long shot. If I was as talented as Cretu I would have >a music career instead of sitting here talking about the music of someone >else. Enough said. > >Peter C. Geisheker > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 16:42:07 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In regard to Brandon Rhymes message, AMEN! I couldn't have said it better myself. I really didn't think my message was understood until I read your post. Enigma's music is good because it is simple. Euro beat over milky chords with some nice effects with a little melody mixed in. Simplicity does not make something bad. Quite the contrary. Complex music is hard to comprehend and remember. One of the biggest problems that composers, myself included, face is trying to make music too complex to make up for a poorly written song. I have worked with many other composers who have come to me for help and I have to teach them how to simplify their music. One of the biggest compliments I received from another composer was, "Man, that is so simple but it sounds great. I wish I would of thought of that." That is what I think to myself everytime I hear enigma. "So simple but so damn good." "Why didn't I think of that." It is the simple music we remember not the complex. When was the last time you hummed the melody of a Mozart piano concerto? Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:16:24 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Enigma I & II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >It is the simple music we remember not the complex. When was the last >time you hummed the melody of a Mozart piano concerto? > >Pete Geisheker > Good point Pete. --Brandon > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 11:31:43 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: ENIGMA III To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, It's very interesting to see different reations from different people about MCMXC A.D. and Cross of Changes. As we all know, there are a lot of groups like Deep Forest, Indian Sacred Spirits, Dao Dezi, Dead Can Dance, Delerium..etc. Most of them use "Ethnical" theme for their albums. So, I don't think Michael will use the "Ethnical" theme again nor "Gregorian". I mention about "Angel" theme a few months ago. I personally think Michael will look for something entirely new such as "Outer Space", "Soul and Spirit" themes. Since the Enigma albums emphasize on intro and fade out, I was thinking like the new album will start with a noises of human's heartbeat which slowly stop. Meaning the person is dead and his soul travel to nowhere, the theme of "Soul or Spirit" flows in with the music. Something like a "Soul's mysterious trip to unknown". As for the fade out, the heartbeat comes back slowly and then back to normal again. It is just a idea I got while I was reading your letters. It is just my personal idea that I want to share with you all. Nothing serious. I have confident in Michael that the next album will be excellent. If Michael uses "Angel" theme for the next album, it'll be great. Ye Min Than Internet ProLink PC User ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 11:14:10 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: ENIGMA III To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 11:31 AM 12/7/95 +0100, you wrote: >Hi all, > > >It's very interesting to see different reations from different people about >MCMXC A.D. and Cross of Changes. As we all know, there are a lot of groups >like Deep Forest, Indian Sacred Spirits, Dao Dezi, Dead Can Dance, >Delerium..etc. Most of them use "Ethnical" theme for their albums. So, I >don't think Michael will use the "Ethnical" theme again nor "Gregorian". I >mention about "Angel" theme a few months ago. > >I personally think Michael will look for something entirely new such as >"Outer Space", "Soul and Spirit" themes. Since the Enigma albums emphasize >on intro and fade out, I was thinking like the new album will start with a >noises of human's heartbeat which slowly stop. Meaning the person is dead >and his soul travel to nowhere, the theme of "Soul or Spirit" flows in with >the music. Something like a "Soul's mysterious trip to unknown". As for the >fade out, the heartbeat comes back slowly and then back to normal again. > >It is just a idea I got while I was reading your letters. It is just my >personal idea that I want to share with you all. Nothing serious. I have >confident in Michael that the next album will be excellent. If Michael uses >"Angel" theme for the next album, it'll be great. > >Ye Min Than >Internet ProLink PC User > > >Hi Ye Min, As Much as I love God and such I would be much more intigued if Michael chose a mystical side to Enigma III. I figure that he has done the religious thing with MXC and took a kind of inner look of spiritualality and rebirth of the soul in the second one so I would love for the third one to maybe focus on the magic and unexplained of the world such as Space themes as someone else on the list mentioned. I would like to hear about his interpretations of swords and sorcery of the middle ages. No matter what path his brilliance will take us down I am sure that we will love it. By the way I listened to Deep Forests' new album "Boheme" for the first time last night and it did help me to sleep even though the boringness of my studies last night may have also figured in. I really enjoyed it especially Marta's song which closed my eyes for me. The only problem that I had was a bad nightmare that caused me to wake my roomate when I yelled for "MOM" I can't tell you what happened but I am even more intriqued by Deep Forest now. Jamie <<<>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 02:23:38 -0800 (PST) From: Corey Daniel Leamon Subject: Enigma I vs. II To: Enigma mailing list It's been a while since I've posted but I just couldn't pass this one up. I'm sorry, but I simply cannot say which one I like better out of MX... or Cross... They both are so extremely awesome and beautiful and enchanting in their own ways. I love the gregorian chants of the first one, but I also love the unique chanting in "Return To Innocence" and the use of electric guitars in a couple of the tracks on the second one. They both have their good points and I just can't decide which I like better. However, I can and must say this, perhaps others have experienced this as well. I find that sometimes, for months on end, I have the desire to listen to just one or the other. I remember last fall, all I wanted to hear was MX..., but when I went to Chicago for Christmas, I suddenly only wanted to hear Cross... That would go back and forth and now, all I want to hear is their four remixes from the Limited Edition. Isn't that interesting? Anyways, just my thoughts. Corey/Draven ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:24:57 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander DeDios Subject: Enigma I vs. II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > However, I can and must say this, perhaps others have experienced this as > well. I find that sometimes, for months on end, I have the desire to > listen to just one or the other. I remember last fall, all I wanted to > hear was MX..., but when I went to Chicago for Christmas, I suddenly only > wanted to hear Cross... That would go back and forth and now, all I want > to hear is their four remixes from the Limited Edition. Isn't that > interesting? Anyways, just my thoughts. > > Corey/Draven Exactly what I feel! I personally feel that MXC... is better but I do have these alterating cravings. That's what I truly love about Enigma. The two albums are so distinct that I can't settle for just one of them. I do feel however that Jens Gad being involved with Enigma III would disturb me a little. I'm not into electric guitar jams. -Alex de Dios ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:11:53 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Enigma I vs. II To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC49D.4DA6DA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's this ??.. you're selling tapes of your personal music.. how much ?? ---------- From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu[SMTP:geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 11:53 AM To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Cc: 'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au' Subject: RE: Enigma I vs II I prefer MX.... over the Cross CD. It has more an ambient feel than Cross does. It also evokes different moods than Cross. I just wish it was longer; seems like it is over in about 10 minutes becuase it flows so well. Just my $.02 Pete Geisheker P.S. To all of the people who have orderered tapes of my music, it will be about a week before I can mail the tapes to you. My synthesizer had to be serviced and that will take about a week. The good news is that when it is repaired the audio quality will be near CD which will make listening to my tapes much more enjoyable. 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My favorite work from Enigma is "Back to the = Rivers of Belief". My second is "I love you , I'll kill You." I just = think as a whole that MX is better. ---------- From: Corey Daniel Leamon[SMTP:draven@cats.ucsc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 8:23 PM To: Enigma mailing list Subject: Enigma I vs. II It's been a while since I've posted but I just couldn't pass this one=20 up. =20 I'm sorry, but I simply cannot say which one I like better out of MX...=20 or Cross... They both are so extremely awesome and beautiful and=20 enchanting in their own ways. I love the gregorian chants of the first=20 one, but I also love the unique chanting in "Return To Innocence" and = the=20 use of electric guitars in a couple of the tracks on the second one. = They=20 both have their good points and I just can't decide which I like better. However, I can and must say this, perhaps others have experienced this = as=20 well. I find that sometimes, for months on end, I have the desire to=20 listen to just one or the other. I remember last fall, all I wanted to=20 hear was MX..., but when I went to Chicago for Christmas, I suddenly = only=20 wanted to hear Cross... That would go back and forth and now, all I = want=20 to hear is their four remixes from the Limited Edition. Isn't that=20 interesting? Anyways, just my thoughts. 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I'm going to order real soon. Ask Pete for the address. At 12:11 PM 12/7/95 -0600, you wrote: >What's this ??.. you're selling tapes of your personal music.. how much ?? > >---------- >From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu[SMTP:geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 11:53 AM >To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Cc: 'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au' >Subject: RE: Enigma I vs II > >I prefer MX.... over the Cross CD. It has more an ambient feel than >Cross does. It also evokes different moods than Cross. I just wish it >was longer; seems like it is over in about 10 minutes becuase it flows so >well. > >Just my $.02 > >Pete Geisheker > >P.S. To all of the people who have orderered tapes of my music, it will >be about a week before I can mail the tapes to you. My synthesizer had >to be serviced and that will take about a week. The good news is that >when it is repaired the audio quality will be near CD which will make >listening to my tapes much more enjoyable. Thank you for your support. > > >Attachment Converted: h:\eudora\REEnigma.II > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 17:53:27 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Enigma I vs II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I prefer MX.... over the Cross CD. It has more an ambient feel than Cross does. It also evokes different moods than Cross. I just wish it was longer; seems like it is over in about 10 minutes becuase it flows so well. Just my $.02 Pete Geisheker P.S. To all of the people who have orderered tapes of my music, it will be about a week before I can mail the tapes to you. My synthesizer had to be serviced and that will take about a week. The good news is that when it is repaired the audio quality will be near CD which will make listening to my tapes much more enjoyable. Thank you for your support. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:26:09 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Enigma I vs II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 05:53 PM 12/6/95 -0500, you wrote: >I prefer MX.... over the Cross CD. It has more an ambient feel than >Cross does. It also evokes different moods than Cross. I just wish it >was longer; seems like it is over in about 10 minutes becuase it flows so >well. > >Just my $.02 > >Pete Geisheker > >P.S. To all of the people who have orderered tapes of my music, it will >be about a week before I can mail the tapes to you. My synthesizer had >to be serviced and that will take about a week. The good news is that >when it is repaired the audio quality will be near CD which will make >listening to my tapes much more enjoyable. Thank you for your support. > Dear Pete, I was not aboard when the info about your music was available please tell me about it and how I could get one and how much?> thanks, Jamie Jeffrey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:03:55 -0500 (EST) From: Olivaw Subject: Enigma I vs II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I agree about MX--both being better and too short; there was, however, a collectors edition CD that I bought in London that had several extra tracks on it...The tracks were very cool remixes of several of the regular tracks. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:13:29 -0700 (MST) From: "" Subject: Enigma I vs II To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I don't know that's a really tough question, (which is better I or II?) They are both so different that comparing them seems pointless. I love them both for the fact that they are different. Who wants to hear the same thing over and over again? Originallity is what attracted me to Enigma in the first place. I'm not sure who said it, but someone mentioned it would be cool if Cretu did a "Return to Sadeness" thing. I have to disagree. Once it's done, doing it again would be redundant. I love the fact that I and II both evoke different feelings and emotions. I find MCMXC a.D. to be light and sensual. The Cross of Changes is more powerful and strong. I hope Engima III is something completely different again but still has the traditional Engima feel we all love. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 09:12:51 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Enigma I vs II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just wanted to say that I purchased The Cross of Change before MCMX but I still perfer MCMX. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:03:21 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Enigma I vs II To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well that was sort of my point with the "Return to Sadeness" thing. I feel that second album was a great deviation from the style that I had attached to Enigma after becoming so enchanted with the first album. If Cretu can come up with something totally different, yet still in concordance with the overall feel of Enigma, I would definitely be excited about it. If he decided to imitate the style of one or the other albums that he has made, I would prefer it to be more like the first. That is all that I was saying. In addition to style, the first album had certain qualities to me that the second did not. To me, being in the States where everyone speaks English, the French Lyrics were a God send. I had no idea what the songs were saying and finding their meaning became almost an obsession with me for a very long time. I still don't entirely understand the spiritual message presented on MCMXC a.D. It is this mystery that intrigued me about Enigma up front. The second album was much more straightforward, and did not create an obsession in me to find the meaning of the album.. it was more obvious. Thus; I say that I would like to see a return to "Sadeness".. Yes, I would hate for Cretu to remake that song on Enigma III, or make one that sounded just like it.. it WOULD become redundant... oh well, I've babbled on long enough... Sincerely, Brandon Rhymes PS. I Relieved one of my own messages today with Eudora Pro and finally see the document attached. I consulted a friend of mine who said he had the same problem with Exchange95. I apologize for this inconvenience to you all. At 03:13 PM 12/7/95 -0700, you wrote: >I don't know that's a really tough question, (which is better I or >II?) They are both so different that comparing them seems pointless. >I love them both for the fact that they are different. Who wants to >hear the same thing over and over again? Originality is what >attracted me to Enigma in the first place. I'm not sure who said it, >but someone mentioned it would be cool if Cretu did a "Return to >Sadeness" thing. I have to disagree. Once it's done, doing it again >would be redundant. I love the fact that I and II both evoke >different feelings and emotions. I find MCMXC a.D. to be light and >sensual. The Cross of Changes is more powerful and strong. I hope >Enigma III is something completely different again but still has the >traditional Enigma feel we all love. > >Andrew > > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:20:19 -0400 (EDT) From: RMAZA1@vaxc.hofstra.edu Subject: enya like To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey all, just thought I'd add to the list for once. If anyone likes Enya you should check out Julee Cruise. It's not as light as Enya but it's a lot like her...if you have ever heard the Twin Peaks soundtrack you know what I mean...get it...Also the Twin peaks soundtrack is also recommended...Julee has two albums out...Floating in the Night...and The Voice of Love... responses? The MightyWarlock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 09:53:19 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Explanation of Pete Geisheker's tapes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have been receiving a lot of email questions in regard to my tapes. What are these tapes" Whose music is on them? Where can I get one? The music is by me, Pete Geisheker. I composed it. Each tape currently has 6 songs on it. As I write more songs, the tapes will contain more songs. I am asking for a donation of $1.50 per tape to cover the acctual cost of tape and postage. I am not making any type of a profit. I simply want people to hear my music. Basically, I am asking this mailing list to help me compose. I want to know what songs of mine you like and dislike. I want to know what musical elements you enjoy and dislike. Push me in the right musical directions. I am giving all of the people on this list an opportunity to be part of a creative process. You may not be able to be a part of enigma's creative process but you can be a part of mine. I truely think you will enjoy being a part of this process. And, I promise that you will learn something about the creation of music. Your support is greatly appreciated. Peter C. Geisheker 2261 Eastman Ave., Apt. 3 Green Bay, WI 54302. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 15:12:43 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: From Pete Geisheker to people who have ordered tapes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just wanted to thank the wonderful people on the list who have ordered tapes from me and to let them know that I will be finishing the tapes this weekend and mailing them early next week. Thank you for your support. It means a lot to me. Peter C. Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 20:51:59 -0500 From: josephr@awod.com (J. Kyle Richardson) Subject: Greetings To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello. I seem to be the newest member to this mailing list. I just recently got a new net account so I could search the WEB. Two days later, here I am. Enigma, being my favorite music group for all occasions, I had to find out if some of the rumors I heard were true and other miscellaneous things were true about Enigma. I am a 19 part time student part time worker, majoring in Electrical Engineerng and hoping to become the chief engineer for a large car stereo company some day. I first purchased The Cross of Changes last year about this time. I heard a friend playing it on his stereo and fell in love right away. I went straight out and bought it. Two weeks later, I was thirsting for more and bought the first Enigma album. From then on, the two have always been in the cd changer in my car. My ear has been dying for more Enigma. Luckily I stumbled upon the 'Special Limited Edition' of Cross of Changes. It was imported from Austria and hadnt been opened. I grabbed it, drooling, before anyone might see it and rushed to the counter to buy it. I love the mixes it has. Enigma has what I want. A unique taste and a wide range of sound. I like having feeling that deep bass and hearing that messaging voice sing to me in 'Carly's Song'. I'm going to buy the Sliver album as soon as I can. The movie seemed rather lacking of a plot though. Other artists I like are: NIN, Tangerine Dream, Snap, Sade, Janet Jackson, Bjork, James, Depeche Mode, Us3, Pizzicato 5, PM Dawn, Bone, Ice Cube, Windam Hill, Scott Fitzgerald, Enya, Harry Connick Jr. (before he left jazz), Hiroshima, Green Day, Metallica, Ed Van Fleet, Techmaster PEB, Powersupply, Pyskosonik, Cranberries, Beastie Boys, Ace of Base, TLC, and just about any hard core techno trash. Well I like just about everything. It's all good. I think I'll end this now. I'm just a rambling man :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:21:07 -0500 From: EnigmaServ@aol.com Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Dear J. Kyle Richardson, I read your introduction. Seems like a lot of people like that Bass sound that Enigma can deliver. I tell you of one group that has been around longer than anyone seems like that has invented that deep Bass sound that not even Enigma can duplicate (Kitaro came very close on one of his albums) but that group is called Pink Floyd. I know this is Enigma List, but you have to check out Pink Floyd if you enjoy deep Bass sounds. I have learned from this list about groups like b-tribe and deep forest. Those were recommended by folks from this list and i also suggest you buy those albums too. Now, Enya is also a real good choice... but she doesn' t have that deep bass i don't believe. I have found, for me, that if i play deep forest in my car, that i have to adjust my bass. So, i think they (deep forest) don't understand the concept of music as well as Pink Floyd, Enigma, and the rest. I have been in studios where they are doing mixes and as soon as they make a tape, they will go out to their car and test it out because most people listen to the music in their cars. Deep Forest sounds like they got used to their studio speakers and failed on that part. Now, maybe their cassette version is different and is mixed for the car, i don't know. It is interesting how people find out about Enigma. My radio station that used to play Enigma constantly has stopped. Seems like too many new songs out. And it seems interesting of what type of people listen to it. My last girlfriend couldn't stand the music, yet the girlfriend before that loved it to death and my current girlfriend loves it more than anything in the world, too. t.r. EnigmaServ@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 17:20 PST From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler) Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Now, Enya is also a real good choice... but she doesn' t >have that deep bass i don't believe. Wrong! :) On my stereo, it rattles the speakers more than Enigma does, because it's a longer bass sound. I've also heard that many people have won shows (can't remember the name of them) when trucks are souped up with speakers in the back and they see who has the loudest. That's at least what I've heard. Well at least Enya was the first music that rattled my speakers. |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=Neil) | ,____| equestrian fan & rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn long "enough, he'll stop trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing in my "mouth." "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 21:22:38 PST From: kclouser@bright.net Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Other artists I like are: NIN, Tangerine Dream, Snap, Sade, Janet Jackson, Bjork, James, Depeche Mode, Us3, Pizzicato 5, PM Dawn, Bone, Ice Cube, Windam Hill, Scott Fitzgerald, Enya, Harry Connick Jr. (before he left jazz), Hiroshima, Green Day, Metallica, Ed Van Fleet, Techmaster PEB, Powersupply, Pyskosonik, Cranberries, Beastie Boys, Ace of Base, TLC, and did I say NIN? Well I like just about everything. It's all good. I think I'll end this now. I'm just a rambling man :) you forgot to mention White Zombie..! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:20:21 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Greetings To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC370.A317A820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, all of this a bit wrong. Enya has Much Deeper Bass extended = for a longer period of time. Enigma has short, Mid bass pulses that = occur at around 100hz (the lowest trailoff on an Enigma song that I have = ever sampled has been around 60hz. The fundamental (frequency) has = always been above 80Hz). These pulses offer a very good bass thump and = sound very large to the average listener. In actuality they are only = boomy, but very small. If extended for a long time, these frequencies = would not sound too impressive. Enya has frequencies (in some of her = works) that range down to frequencies as low as 30 to 40hz, with bass = trailoff all the way down to 20Hz (Most Pickups Trucks that I know of = don't hit these low frequencies, but, then again, I've never been into = car audio). These frequencies are not detected by the average, mass = market Stereo. If they are, they are usually drowned out by mid bass = humps in the Speaker designs of cheaper speakers. (i.e. under about = $1200). Basically, the moral to this story is, that Enya possesses much = lower Bass frequencies that offer a more true, deep, full, and dynamic = Bass range. Although these sounds may not sound as big in the back of a = pickup truck, they are deeper, and more challenging to reproduce. All = of this aside, I ask why listen to music purely for it's bass content ? Sincerely, Brandon Rhymes =20 ---------- From: Neil Cutler[SMTP:ncutler@island.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 1995 7:20 PM To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: Greetings >Now, Enya is also a real good choice... but she doesn' t >have that deep bass i don't believe. Wrong! :) On my stereo, it rattles the speakers more than Enigma does, because it's a longer bass sound. I've also heard that many people have = won shows (can't remember the name of them) when trucks are souped up with speakers in the back and they see who has the loudest. That's at least = what I've heard. Well at least Enya was the first music that rattled my speakers. |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=3DNeil) | ,____| equestrian fan & = rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn = long "enough, he'll stop = trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing = in my "mouth." 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I've also heard that many people have won >shows (can't remember the name of them) when trucks are souped up with >speakers in the back and they see who has the loudest. That's at least what >I've heard. Well at least Enya was the first music that rattled my >speakers. > > You just may be right. I have my car stereo setup a certain way where the bass for me is just perfect. And to the setting that i have... when i put in one cd after another, it works out pretty well. Except for Deep Forest and i have to alter my car stereo setup. I would get cd speakers for my car, but the ones i have in there sound pretty damned good as it is. Except it can't handle Deep Forest's bass on normal settings. NOW... Pink Floyd is the only band that i know of that has that certain bass sound that no one can duplicate. Kitaro did come close on his latest album.... in fact i think Kitaro did it on purpose to show the world that Pink Floyd isn't the only masters of sound. Anyhow, on his first song it is a very good duplication of the "Pink Floyd Sound" that i have played it for music professionals and THEY thought it was Pink Floyd. The Bass was so good and so near Pink Floyd, Kitaro has succeeded in fooling a lot of people. Back to Pink Floyd... you are not going to have distortion, seems like with Pink Floyd. It has everything to do with engineering and using the right sound equipment, instruments, etc. Enigma has come out with something original and seems like everyone is trying to copy them. Overall, Enigma has understood the importance of engineering, setting up the vocals, moods, etc. Some people on this list say that Enigma is coming out with an album "Angels". I have to say, there has been a few of those out there already with that theme, and they all have failed in my eyes. I hope Enigma can do something original with that theme, though. I remember buying a cd called "Voce" that was supposed to be one singular voice from heaven. God's gift to music, from what i understood. Came with a free video. I like it, but it's one of those things you don't keep in your cd changer all the time. :-). About the truck shows and enya... come on, now.... isn't the music from these puppies rap music where you have a constant thumping noise? i thought that's what all these crazed truckster wannabees with their tires as small as a dime, their speakers taking up the whole bed of the truck, and them "thumping" down the road. Maybe in a contest, if anyone plays Enya... that would be music to the judges ears. Around here, it's thumping that beats all. I just can't picture these trucksters tooling down the road with Enya cranked up so high that you can't appreciate the music. :-) I have a question for everyone. Enigma seems to be original in everything they have done. From the beginning to the end on their two most famous albums, everything is original... everything song just about has it's own unique sound. On the other hand, Enya seems like it is repetitive most of the way through... and in a way, it is hard for me to tell if i am at the beginning, middle or end of the cd since Enya sounds the same all the way through. I just heard a song from her new album and it sounds the same as her first. Does anyone else pick up on that, or is it me? I guess that is what makes the difference between Enya and Enigma.... Enigma will always be considered the originals. (Hey, has anyone sent in for the Enigma Jacket?) T. L. Rutter EnigmaServ@aol.com <------------ Yes, i know, America On-Line. EnigmaServ@msn.com <------------ Okay, so i am on bill's network too. God save me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:55:14 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 09:22 PM 12/5/95 PST, you wrote: >Other artists I like are: NIN, Tangerine Dream, Snap, Sade, >Janet Jackson, >Bjork, James, Depeche Mode, Us3, Pizzicato 5, PM Dawn, Bone, >Ice Cube, >Windam Hill, Scott Fitzgerald, Enya, Harry Connick Jr. (before >he left >jazz), Hiroshima, Green Day, Metallica, Ed Van Fleet, >Techmaster PEB, >Powersupply, Pyskosonik, Cranberries, Beastie Boys, Ace of >Base, TLC, and >did I say NIN? Well I like just about everything. It's all >good. I think >I'll end this now. I'm just a rambling man :) > you forgot to mention White Zombie..! > > >hi, I'm Jamie Jeffrey and I'm a new subscriber to this list and I enjoy alot of the same music that you do. It is so strange now a days that people want to narrow themselves to one form of music I think this is attrocious. I am glad that there are intelligent people out there that can look beyond music type and appreciate it for the good music that it is. If you really like NIN then I suggest that you give Prick, KMFDM, Filter, and especially Machines of Loving Grace a listen. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:33:42 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Greetings To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC3DF.77043E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll agree. Enya has a very distinct style that often shows up in much = of her music. I enjoy the music of Enigma much more than Enya for this = reason. I only own one Enya LP. I have heard them all. I have become = bored with them all. =20 I'll also agree that I hope Enigma stays away from the Angel's theme; = however, if Cretu was to do it, I am sure that it would be good. I have = to ask everyone here on the list though....Although the styles of MCMXC = a.D. and Cross of Changes are different, and a different appreciation = is necessary for both, which one do you prefer ?... I find myself = constantly going back and listening to MCMXC a.D. Over Cross of Changes. = I'd kinda like to see Cretu make a Return to Sadeness with Enigma III. = But that is just my opinion. Shoot me some feedback this, I'm curious = to know how the rest of the fans feel about this.. Sincerely, Engimaniac (Brandon Rhymes) Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu The University of Texas at Austin ---------- From: EnigmaServ@aol.com[SMTP:EnigmaServ@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 7:22 AM To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: Greetings In a message dated 95-12-05 22:52:55 EST, you write: >Wrong! :) On my stereo, it rattles the speakers more than Enigma does, >because it's a longer bass sound. I've also heard that many people have = won >shows (can't remember the name of them) when trucks are souped up with >speakers in the back and they see who has the loudest. That's at least = what >I've heard. Well at least Enya was the first music that rattled my >speakers. > > You just may be right. I have my car stereo setup a certain way where = the bass for me is just perfect. And to the setting that i have... when i = put in one cd after another, it works out pretty well. Except for Deep Forest = and i have to alter my car stereo setup. I would get cd speakers for my car, = but the ones i have in there sound pretty damned good as it is. Except it = can't handle Deep Forest's bass on normal settings. NOW... Pink Floyd is the = only band that i know of that has that certain bass sound that no one can duplicate. Kitaro did come close on his latest album.... in fact i think Kitaro did it on purpose to show the world that Pink Floyd isn't the = only masters of sound. Anyhow, on his first song it is a very good = duplication of the "Pink Floyd Sound" that i have played it for music professionals and = THEY thought it was Pink Floyd. The Bass was so good and so near Pink Floyd, Kitaro has succeeded in fooling a lot of people. Back to Pink Floyd... you are not going to have distortion, seems like = with Pink Floyd. It has everything to do with engineering and using the right sound equipment, instruments, etc.=20 Enigma has come out with something original and seems like everyone is = trying to copy them. Overall, Enigma has understood the importance of = engineering, setting up the vocals, moods, etc. Some people on this list say that = Enigma is coming out with an album "Angels". I have to say, there has been a = few of those out there already with that theme, and they all have failed in my = eyes. I hope Enigma can do something original with that theme, though. I = remember buying a cd called "Voce" that was supposed to be one singular voice = from heaven. God's gift to music, from what i understood. Came with a free = video. I like it, but it's one of those things you don't keep in your cd = changer all the time. :-). About the truck shows and enya... come on, now.... isn't the music from = these puppies rap music where you have a constant thumping noise? i thought = that's what all these crazed truckster wannabees with their tires as small as a dime, their speakers taking up the whole bed of the truck, and them "thumping" down the road. Maybe in a contest, if anyone plays Enya... = that would be music to the judges ears. Around here, it's thumping that beats = all. I just can't picture these trucksters tooling down the road with Enya = cranked up so high that you can't appreciate the music. :-) I have a question for everyone. Enigma seems to be original in = everything they have done. From the beginning to the end on their two most famous albums, everything is original... everything song just about has it's = own unique sound. On the other hand, Enya seems like it is repetitive most = of the way through... and in a way, it is hard for me to tell if i am at the beginning, middle or end of the cd since Enya sounds the same all the = way through. I just heard a song from her new album and it sounds the same = as her first. Does anyone else pick up on that, or is it me? I guess that is = what makes the difference between Enya and Enigma.... Enigma will always be considered the originals. (Hey, has anyone sent in for the Enigma = Jacket?) T. L. Rutter EnigmaServ@aol.com <------------ Yes, i know, America On-Line. 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=_NextPart_000_01BAC3DF.77043E00-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:36:49 -0500 (EST) From: Khurram Nizami Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > I have a question for everyone. Enigma seems to be original in everything > they have done. From the beginning to the end on their two most famous > albums, everything is original... everything song just about has it's own > unique sound. On the other hand, Enya seems like it is repetitive most of the > way through... and in a way, it is hard for me to tell if i am at the > beginning, middle or end of the cd since Enya sounds the same all the way > through. I just heard a song from her new album and it sounds the same as her > first. Does anyone else pick up on that, or is it me? I guess that is what > makes the difference between Enya and Enigma.... Enigma will always be > > > > T. L. Rutter > EnigmaServ@aol.com <------------ Yes, i know, America On-Line. > EnigmaServ@msn.com <------------ Okay, so i am on bill's network too. God > save me. Enya's first album "Enya", and her remake of the first album, "The Celts" was written originally for a BBC special on the vikings, or a similar special. This album was naturally written with similarity in mind, thats why the songs seem to flow into one another. As for her other two albums, Shepherd Moons, and Watermark, the tracks on there are pretty different, granted they have the same mood to them. Also, on her new album, The Memory of Trees, check out the song Anywhere is. That song is different from the styles seen on her other tracks. I think in an interview she said something like she writes music that really touches her and then brings it to her peers (Roma Ryan and Nicky Ryan) to see if they feel the same way. I think one really great thing about Enya's music is how beautifully the lyrics and the music come together. Its amazing how Roma Ryan and put Enya's music to words. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:17:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Echols Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, personally I strongly perfer MCMXCad. I think that on its own Cross of Changes is a VERY strong album, but it still pales in comparison with MCMXC. Also, concerning Enya and Enigma bass lines, I find that I like both, but I must say that in my and my friends cars Enya is louder in terms of DB, but I prefer the "punch" of the Enigma. This is coming from systems rangeing in price from $2500(mine) to $30,000(yes, $30,000). We have found that the more you spend on the system, the better Enya sounds. This is , of course true with most music, but with Enya a nicer system brings out the clarity of the bass better. This is true in the systems that stress DB and the ones that stress clarity and balance. But, after all that we still think that Enya sounds best on an old fashioned tube amp with some good speakers that take up your whole living room. aaahhhhhhh. That is, IMHO, still the best way to enjoy Enigma and Enya. Just my two cents. - Jason http://www.realtime.net/~whtthndr MERRY CHRISTMAS!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 12:04:44 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, I think MCMXC A.D. is better than Cross of Changes definitely. MCMXC A.D. is unique, original and perfect. It is second to none at all. The whole album flows like one single song by carrying the main Gregorian Chants theme. I like very much Cross of Changes too but it lacks the smooth flowing of MCMXC A.D. In Cross of Changes, some of the songs become too much like a pop tune. You can't feel that with MCMXC A.D. That's why the first one is better. It's unique, and untraditional. And I simply feel that the first one is better. As for Enigma III, I am sure that Michael Cretu has a lot of great ideas. The only thing I am worry is "JEN GADS"!!! I sincerely hope that Jen Gads won't be involved in Enigma III. Jen Gads had spoiled the lastest album of Sandra called "Fading Shades" and if he get involved in Enigma III, there is a big chance that he spoils it again. Michael Cretu is a "second to none" musician and I am sure the next Enigma album will be great. It is still a big mystery what "theme" he'll use for the new album............ Ye Min Than Internet ProLink PC User ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:01:26 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 03:17 PM 12/6/95 -0600, you wrote: >Well, personally I strongly perfer MCMXCad. I think that on its own >Cross of Changes is a VERY strong album, but it still pales in comparison >with MCMXC. > >Also, concerning Enya and Enigma bass lines, I find that I like both, but >I must say that in my and my friends cars Enya is louder in terms of >DB, but I prefer the "punch" of the Enigma. This is coming from systems >rangeing in price from $2500(mine) to $30,000(yes, $30,000). We have >found that the more you spend on the system, the better Enya sounds. >This is , of course true with most music, but with Enya a nicer system >brings out the clarity of the bass better. This is true in the systems >that stress DB and the ones that stress clarity and balance. > >But, after all that we still think that Enya sounds best on an old >fashioned tube amp with some good speakers that take up your whole living >room. aaahhhhhhh. That is, IMHO, still the best way to enjoy Enigma >and Enya. > >Just my two cents. > >- Jason >http://www.realtime.net/~whtthndr > >MERRY CHRISTMAS!! > >jason, How can your friend afford such a stereo? I prefer Enigma but Enya has her enchanting moments. Regardless of bass Enigma sounds better. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:10:39 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Greetings To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC416.EC147C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah.. I'd be pretty interested to hear Enigma on a pair of Dunlavvy 4's = driven by two Bat tube amps. I auditioned a system that included these = components not long ago. It went for about 27 Grand. Too bad I had = left MCMXC a.D. at home that day :-/. Oh well, maybe next time. --Brandon I have to ask, what kind of system do you have ? (may want to write me = via my email address for this one so as not deviate from the subject of = this mailing list. =20 ---------- From: Jason Echols[SMTP:whtthndr@bga.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 9:17 AM To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: RE: Greetings Well, personally I strongly perfer MCMXCad. 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Enya has a very distinct style that often shows up in much of her music. I enjoy the music of Enigma much more than Enya for this reason. I only own one Enya LP. I have heard them all. I have become bored with them all. > > I'll also agree that I hope Enigma stays away from the Angel's theme; however, if Cretu was to do it, I am sure that it would be good. I have to ask everyone here on the list though....Although the styles of MCMXC a.D. and Cross of Changes are different, and a different appreciation is necessary for both, which one do you prefer ?... I find myself constantly going back and listening to MCMXC a.D. Over Cross of Changes. I'd kinda like to see Cretu make a Return to Sadeness with Enigma III. But that is just my opinion. Shoot me some feedback this, I'm curious to know how the rest of the fans feel about this.. > Sincerely, > Engimaniac (Brandon Rhymes) > Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu > The University of Texas at Austin >---------- >From: EnigmaServ@aol.com[SMTP:EnigmaServ@aol.com] >Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 7:22 AM >To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Subject: Re: Greetings > >In a message dated 95-12-05 22:52:55 EST, you write: > >>Wrong! :) On my stereo, it rattles the speakers more than Enigma does, >>because it's a longer bass sound. I've also heard that many people have won >>shows (can't remember the name of them) when trucks are souped up with >>speakers in the back and they see who has the loudest. That's at least what >>I've heard. Well at least Enya was the first music that rattled my >>speakers. >> >> > >You just may be right. I have my car stereo setup a certain way where the >bass for me is just perfect. And to the setting that i have... when i put in >one cd after another, it works out pretty well. Except for Deep Forest and i >have to alter my car stereo setup. I would get cd speakers for my car, but >the ones i have in there sound pretty damned good as it is. Except it can't >handle Deep Forest's bass on normal settings. NOW... Pink Floyd is the only >band that i know of that has that certain bass sound that no one can >duplicate. Kitaro did come close on his latest album.... in fact i think >Kitaro did it on purpose to show the world that Pink Floyd isn't the only >masters of sound. Anyhow, on his first song it is a very good duplication of >the "Pink Floyd Sound" that i have played it for music professionals and THEY >thought it was Pink Floyd. The Bass was so good and so near Pink Floyd, >Kitaro has succeeded in fooling a lot of people. > >Back to Pink Floyd... you are not going to have distortion, seems like with >Pink Floyd. It has everything to do with engineering and using the right >sound equipment, instruments, etc. > >Enigma has come out with something original and seems like everyone is trying >to copy them. Overall, Enigma has understood the importance of engineering, >setting up the vocals, moods, etc. Some people on this list say that Enigma >is coming out with an album "Angels". I have to say, there has been a few of >those out there already with that theme, and they all have failed in my eyes. >I hope Enigma can do something original with that theme, though. I remember >buying a cd called "Voce" that was supposed to be one singular voice from >heaven. God's gift to music, from what i understood. Came with a free video. >I like it, but it's one of those things you don't keep in your cd changer all >the time. :-). > >About the truck shows and enya... come on, now.... isn't the music from these >puppies rap music where you have a constant thumping noise? i thought that's >what all these crazed truckster wannabees with their tires as small as a >dime, their speakers taking up the whole bed of the truck, and them >"thumping" down the road. Maybe in a contest, if anyone plays Enya... that >would be music to the judges ears. Around here, it's thumping that beats all. >I just can't picture these trucksters tooling down the road with Enya cranked >up so high that you can't appreciate the music. :-) > >I have a question for everyone. Enigma seems to be original in everything >they have done. From the beginning to the end on their two most famous >albums, everything is original... everything song just about has it's own >unique sound. On the other hand, Enya seems like it is repetitive most of the >way through... and in a way, it is hard for me to tell if i am at the >beginning, middle or end of the cd since Enya sounds the same all the way >through. I just heard a song from her new album and it sounds the same as her >first. Does anyone else pick up on that, or is it me? I guess that is what >makes the difference between Enya and Enigma.... Enigma will always be >considered the originals. (Hey, has anyone sent in for the Enigma Jacket?) > > > >T. L. Rutter >EnigmaServ@aol.com <------------ Yes, i know, America On-Line. >EnigmaServ@msn.com <------------ Okay, so i am on bill's network too. God >save me. > > > >Attachment Converted: h:\eudora\REGreet1 Brandon, I likeboth very much but I have to agree with you because the first album is very special to me it got me through some rough nights when insomnia kept me awake or I was feeling sorry for myself.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:32:24 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Greetings To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC419.F46E3640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Whoah !!. I Thought that I would be the only person who thought that = Jens Nads was a bad influence on the music of Enigma. I think it was = partly his influence that moved Enigma away from it's previously stellar = style found in MCMXC a.D. and more towards the more mainstreamed and pop = song sounds of Cross of Changes. I don't want to convey here that I = dislike any of the music, I only have my preferences. Sincerely, Brandon PS It's Jens Gad. (pronounced Gawd) =20 ---------- From: Ye Min Than[SMTP:ymthan@iprolink.ch] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 1995 5:04 AM To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: Greetings Hi all, I think MCMXC A.D. is better than Cross of Changes definitely. MCMXC = A.D. is unique, original and perfect. It is second to none at all. The whole = album flows like one single song by carrying the main Gregorian Chants theme.=20 I like very much Cross of Changes too but it lacks the smooth flowing of MCMXC A.D. In Cross of Changes, some of the songs become too much like a = pop tune. You can't feel that with MCMXC A.D. That's why the first one is better. It's unique, and untraditional. And I simply feel that the first = one is better.=20 As for Enigma III, I am sure that Michael Cretu has a lot of great = ideas. The only thing I am worry is "JEN GADS"!!! I sincerely hope that Jen = Gads won't be involved in Enigma III. Jen Gads had spoiled the lastest album = of Sandra called "Fading Shades" and if he get involved in Enigma III, = there is a big chance that he spoils it again.=20 Michael Cretu is a "second to none" musician and I am sure the next = Enigma album will be great. It is still a big mystery what "theme" he'll use = for the new album............ 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I love her music!! To me, Shepherd Moons had a more "ANGELIC" type quality in her voice and Watermark is known more for the "FLOW" of the music and voice. But, that is just my opinion. ;) Later guys !! Brad Drake bdrake@globalvision.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:02:58 +0500 From: bdrake@n1.globalvision.net Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au As stated earlier on the list, it is really not fair to compare the music of Enya to the music of Enigma. They are totally different. I too am more of a fan of Enigma, but it is due mainly to the fact that I like the STYLE of Enigma's music more. Anyway, I still respect your opinion !! BYE !! bdrake@globalvision.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:29:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Echols Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Jeffrey, James Denis wrote: > >jason, How can your friend afford such a stereo? I prefer Enigma but Enya > has her enchanting moments. Regardless of bass Enigma sounds better. I agree. I still prefer Enigma all the way. It is one of my two favorite albums, which are Enigma "MCMXCad" and Pink Floyd "The Wall". Which I find funny since both groups are being discussed here. - Jason P.S. - as far as the stereo goes he can afford it becuase he wisely invested some money for college in a little computer company many years a go back when they had 5 employees. Over they years my friend put more money in and now has about $12,000,000 left after college expenses. Needless to say, the company did very well, and is now a Fortune 500 company. But he is still a nice guy, even with all the money. Some people have all the luck. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 13:36:18 -0500 From: lance@dwango.com (Lance Lancaster) Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction, I will try to be brief as I've said the following to many record store employees with absolutely no satisfaction: My favorite album will forever be Moodfood by Moodswings album. I also really enjoyed the first Deep Forest album and all the remixes and am also a big Hubert Kah fanatic as well enjoy the Enigma sound. I am looking for more music resembling Moodswings/Deep Forest/Hubert Kah that kind of takes me away. I've had many store people point me into the 'ambient' collection cd's (Two AD for example) but absolutely none of them have captured the sound I'm looking for. I like the relaxing music like in Moodswings and Deep Forest that lay in a nice drum rhythm without making it too dance-type(is that a word?? :) )..Any help would be appreciated I really can't find anything new to listen to lately and it's driving me nuts! /-----------------------------------------\ | Lance Lancaster a.k.a. "Aikman" | | IVS/DWANGO Corporation | | http://www.dwango.com | | irc : IRC.DAL.NET Port 7000 (#DWANGO) | | mail: lance@dwango.com | \-----------------------------------------/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 14:45:09 -0600 From: "Matt C. Anderson" Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Enigma List Members, My name is Matt Anderson, I am 20 yrs old, and am a sophomore Computer Science Major at Gustavus Adolphus College, St Peter MN. I own 3 Enigma CDs...MCMXC a.D., The Cross Of Changes, and what I believe to be the Austrailian Age of Lonliness single. I fully intend to collect both limited edition albums and the rest of the singles now that I know they exist (I visited the Enigma home page (@ http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/Enigma.html) yesterday for the first time). If anyone has suggestions as to where good places to look for all of these are (preferably inexpensive as possible), please let me know. Brad Drake wrote on Dec 7: > I have to agree ... naturally The Celts is going to sound similar > to her first (self-titled) ... but I saw very little similarity in > Watermark and Shepherd Moons CDs. I would have to agree that The Celts sounds very similar to Enya's self titled debut album from 1986. I would have to go so far as to say that they sound *identical* - they both have 15 tracks and each of those track's names is the same on each disk. In fact, they appear to be the same album with a different cover and a different title. You can imagine that I was a little dissappointed to get The Celts home after purchasing it and saying, "Hmmm...this sounds very similar to another of my Enya disks...". :) But enough about Enya from me...I like Enigma better anyway. Later... Matt Anderson --- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > Why everyone hates me? And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } You am idiot. } You owe oracle you bike. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- manders1@gac.edu uther@ph111a.res-hall.gac.edu http://www.gac.edu/~manders1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: Olivaw Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au As far as ambient music, in addition to Deep Forest & Enigma, Et Al, try Enya and there's also tons of great Windam Hill stuff out there (The Months, Solstices, etc.). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:03:14 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Echols Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Have you tried Delirium? They sound like what you are looking for... - Me On Thu, 7 Dec 1995, Lance Lancaster wrote: > Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction, I will try to be > brief as I've said the following to many record store employees with absolutely > no satisfaction: ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:57:23 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 08:29 AM 12/7/95 -0600, you wrote: >On Wed, 6 Dec 1995, Jeffrey, James Denis wrote: > >> >jason, How can your friend afford such a stereo? I prefer Enigma but Enya >> has her enchanting moments. Regardless of bass Enigma sounds better. > > >I agree. I still prefer Enigma all the way. It is one of my two >favorite albums, which are Enigma "MCMXCad" and Pink Floyd "The Wall". >Which I find funny since both groups are being discussed here. > >- Jason > >P.S. - as far as the stereo goes he can afford it becuase he wisely >invested some money for college in a little computer company many years a go >back when they had 5 employees. Over they years my friend put more money >in and now has about $12,000,000 left after college expenses. Needless >to say, the company did very well, and is now a Fortune 500 company. But >he is still a nice guy, even with all the money. Some people have all >the luck. > > > >Jason, Your friends story sounds like Forrest Gump with Macintosh. I feel like I will be 12,000,000 in debt after college. Have you ever heard of this "Sandra" that everyone here is talking about? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:12:52 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 01:36 PM 12/7/95 -0500, you wrote: >Hopefully someone can point me in the right direction, I will try to be >brief as I've said the following to many record store employees with absolutely >no satisfaction: > >My favorite album will forever be Moodfood by Moodswings album. I also really >enjoyed the first Deep Forest album and all the remixes and am also a big >Hubert Kah fanatic as well enjoy the Enigma sound. I am looking for more >music resembling Moodswings/Deep Forest/Hubert Kah that kind of takes me away. >I've had many store people point me into the 'ambient' collection cd's (Two AD >for example) but absolutely none of them have captured the sound I'm looking >for. >I like the relaxing music like in Moodswings and Deep Forest that lay in a >nice drum rhythm without making it too dance-type(is that a word?? :) )..Any >help would be appreciated I really can't find anything new to listen to lately >and it's driving me nuts! > > >/-----------------------------------------\ >| Lance Lancaster a.k.a. "Aikman" | >| IVS/DWANGO Corporation | >| http://www.dwango.com | >| irc : IRC.DAL.NET Port 7000 (#DWANGO) | >| mail: lance@dwango.com | >\-----------------------------------------/ > > >Hey Aikman, Most of the people on this list will probably recommend Enya, or Sandra. You may even want to try Tangerine Dream or Orbital because friends of mine have some of their albums and what I've heard I like. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 01:03:33 -0500 From: EnigmaServ@aol.com Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In a message dated 95-12-06 16:23:53 EST, you write: >I find myself constantly going back and listening to MCMXC a.D. Over Cross of >Changes. I listen to MCMXC a.D. more than i do the rest, myself. Not that one is better than the other, i just find that i listen to it more. Don't ask me to analyze why, i just do. :-). T. L. Rutter EnigmaServ@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:30:04 EST From: Raluca Preda Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au thanks for the names of the bands. i'll look into them. : ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:24:56 +0200 From: Laura Porceddu Subject: Greetings To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Sandra's the female voice in Enigma, and the wife of Curly M.C. if ya truly didn't know... - Sebastian Porceddu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 20:22:23 +-100 From: Frank Beermann Subject: greetings To: "'Enigma@yoyo'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BACF18.F8520700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I want to wish everybody a nice thanksgiving and i wish all of you enigma-fans a very good 1996. 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(Thursday 12/7, 8:00- 8:45pm ET) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 16:39:59 GMT From: ritahd@ix.netcom.com (Rita H Delaune) Subject: Happy Holidays! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Wishing each and everyone of you Enigmites a very Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year !!! Rita ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 11:43:06 -0500 From: yakko@sentex.net Subject: Happy New Year To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I hope everyone has a happy and intoxicating ;-) new year. K.C. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 13:06:52 -0500 From: Sumrnight@aol.com Subject: Happy New Year To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Happy New Year Everyone.....I hope '96 will be a wonderful year for everyone... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 10:15:37 -0600 (CST) From: TAYLORJM@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu Subject: Hello Everybody! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everybody! My name is Jeremy Taylor and I'm a 19 year old Enigma fan from Nashville, Tennessee. (We don't all like country music.) I heard my first bit of Enigma from the MTV Party-To-Go, Volume II, which had a mix of Sadeness, Part One. I then bought MCMXCa.d. which is still one of the best albums I've ever heard. I've tried a couple of other groups that are supposed to be similar to Enigma, but as of yet have found nothing that even comes close. So far, I own MCMXCa.d. and the Cross of Changes albums, as well as the singles for "Return to Innocence", "Age of Loneliness", "Out from the Deep" and "The Eyes of Truth." I am interested in purchasing any other mixes or collections of Enigma's music. I've heard comments made about "limited editions" of the albums, but I'm not sure how their different from the regular albums. Also, I would very much like to find out how I can get my hands on the single for Sadeness (the one with the Violent US, Mix, et. all) and the single for Mea Culpa. Any information on people or companies selling hard-to-find Enigma CDs would be greatly appreciated. - JMT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:31:48 (CST) From: Robert T Cramer Subject: Hello fellow Enigma fans To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello My name is Robert Cramer and I have an addiction to Enigma. I was entranced by their first album and their second. I have both limited edition albums and singles: age of loneliness, return to innocence, mea culpa, out from the deep. But I crave to get every last slightly different single and album out there. Its weird but yet intoxicating. Robert Cramer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 18:07:32 -0600 From: "Matt C. Anderson" Subject: Hello fellow Enigma fans To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Welcome Robert T Cramer, Where did you say you were from? Gustavus? I hear that Gustavus is a pretty cool school. I know a few people who go to Gustavus. Sounds like a pretty cool collection you have going there. < rcramer@gac.edu wrote: > > I have both limited edition albums and singles: age of loneliness, > return to innocence, mea culpa, out from the deep. Congradulations. More than I have. Later all, Matt --- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > Why everyone hates me? And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } You am idiot. } You owe oracle you bike. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- manders1@gac.edu uther@ph111a.res-hall.gac.edu http://www.gac.edu/~manders1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 17:31:39 -0500 From: James D Jeffrey Subject: Hello fellow Enigma fans To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Robert, Where do you find your limited editions? Welcome to the list. At 12:31 PM 12/8/95, you wrote: >Hello My name is Robert Cramer and I have an addiction to Enigma. I was >entranced by their first album and their second. I have both limited >edition albums and singles: age of loneliness, return to innocence, mea >culpa, out from the deep. But I crave to get every last slightly >different single and album out there. Its weird but yet intoxicating. > >Robert Cramer > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 17:32:00 EST From: Raluca Preda Subject: hi! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au hi my name is raluca. i'm 18 and a student at Rutgers University in New Jersey.i don't exacly remember how i got into enigma but i remember that as soon as i heard them, i was like wow! i only have their albums but i wish i had some of their singles. i never found them anywhere i looked. o well i tried. does anyone know where i can find them? i'm romanian so when i found out that M.C. Curly is romanian i was excited. well that's all i can think of saying right now. bye, raluca, my email is raluca@eden.rutgers.edu : ) ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 1995 15:35:58 U From: "Thomas, Joel K." Subject: homework To: "enigma" J. Thomas, age 25, copy editor; I have both Enigma albums but (sadly) no singles, and if the albums weren't on CD, they'd be worn out by now; first heard Enigma in college when a friend stopped by on a road trip to play "Sadeness" for me, and I bought the album one hour later; favorite artists include everyone from the Cure, Pink Floyd, Xymox, U2 (old stuff, not recent), Nine Inch Nails and Moby to Beethoven, Mozart, Ligeti and the rest. Also have a honking big collection of film soundtracks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 22:46:26 -0500 From: Jonathan Kalmes Subject: Hubert Kah and Intro To: "'Enigma List'" Someone mentioned on here the other day that they had made a Hubert Kah = page. Anyone remember the address for me? Thanx. Now, for those of you like a little more embelishment, this is also an = introduction. I am a 24 year old contract instructor. I originally got = hooked on Hubert Kah about 5 years ago when I picked up one of his tapes = at a record store accidentally. I forgot which one (it has long since = melted in a car), but it was by far one of the best musical compositions = I had ever heard. I then heard "Military Drums" one a radio station out = of Atlanta and started trying to get my hands on anything possible by = HK. Only managed to get Machine Gun and Best of, but lost both of them = when I moved. Finally replaced them last week (thanks to I? Music) and = have been burning through them ever since. Rarely have I heard music with such passion and power that I can relate = to. Lyrics are profound (almost on par with John Astley, another = favorite of mine), but the music by far outshines anything I have ever = heard. A subtle mix of melodies with enough "snazzy" cuts and samples = to make it not only enjoyable, but downright danceable. It takes really = good music to get me to dance, but clear the floor on this one! I find = myself getting completely absorbed in the rhythm and the rest of the = world gets blocked out... Until there is a break in the music and then = I usually shift back to listening to the lyrics. =20 The music affects my perception of the world around in a profound way I = cannot descibe adequately. It is almost as if I am blind to the = suffering, hapiness, strife and elegance of my own life until I become = absorbed by the music and the lyrics, then it all comes crashing down to = a shattering, cold reality. Sometimes this is good, sometimes not. It = all depends on my current outlook. I don't pretend to understand the = views or attitudes of HK, but I know how it affects me and what I get = out of it. My two HK cd's are one of the few prized possesions that go = with me no matter where I am. Often you may find me on a plane with = headphones on my apparently sleeping head... Not so, I am merely = getting lost in a world created by myself with the help of HK. A world = I very much enjoy. Secaman jkalmes@ionet.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 15:32:12 +0500 From: bdrake@n1.globalvision.net Subject: I am on IRC again !!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> From: bdrake@globalvision.net Subject: I am on IRC again !!! To: Engima@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey guys and gals !! I am going to try again to open an IRC channel at 4:30 pm today (12/4/95). The name of the channel will be Enigma_FAN. I waited around about an hour last time and when no one came, I closed it. So come on in and let's talk music !! Or whatever !!!! My nick will be MeaCulpa. But my real name is Brad. See ya !!! bdrake@globalvision.net <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 20:41 PST From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler) Subject: I am on IRC again !!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just like to say that we need to get things straight, I have been opening #Enigma-fan (-, not _) so which shall it be, and by the way, I open it everytime i'm on (usually everyday) and on the ocassional night, I'll have someone join, so don't be surprised if you don't get many :) >Hey guys and gals !! > >I am going to try again to open an IRC channel at 4:30 pm today (12/4/95). >The >name of the channel will be Enigma_FAN. I waited around about an hour >last time >and when no one came, I closed it. So come on in and let's talk music !! >Or whatever !!!! > >My nick will be MeaCulpa. But my real name is Brad. > >See ya !!! > >bdrake@globalvision.net ><---- End Forwarded Message ----> |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=Neil) | ,____| equestrian fan & rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn long "enough, he'll stop trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing in my "mouth." "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 17:37:50 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: I need hel p (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au From: Frank Agresta Jr To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: I need hel p To all members on the E.M.L. I would like to know what other C.D's that are out there that have Enigma songs on them. For example, the "Sliver Soundtrack." This C.D has "Carly Song" and "Carly Loneliness." on it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You. :-) agresta@frontier.wilpaterson.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 01:44:21 -0600 (CST) From: 2BL8DIGGINSM@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Subject: info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Michael Diggins 21 yrs old i have the following enigma cds: *mcmxc ad *return to innocence *age of lonliness single i first heard enigma in my junior yr of high school (90-91). mcmxc ad was the first cd i actually bought. i loved it so much. curly mc rocks the house. i am a senior in industrial engineering at marquette university in milw wi. i also have a co-op job with general electric appliances in louisville ky. i leave in 4 weeks for there again this spring. like to hear from you!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:32:47 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: info To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 01:44 AM 12/7/95 -0600, you wrote: >Michael Diggins >21 yrs old >i have the following enigma cds: >*mcmxc ad >*return to innocence >*age of lonliness single >i first heard enigma in my junior yr of high school (90-91). mcmxc ad was the >first cd i actually bought. i loved it so much. curly mc rocks the house. >i am a senior in industrial engineering at marquette university in milw wi. >i also have a co-op job with general electric appliances in louisville ky. >i leave in 4 weeks for there again this spring. > >like to hear from you!!!! > > Good to have you aboard Mike, It sounds like we got into Enigma about the same time. I love curly's voice as well. One of the problems that I have being an Enigma fan is wanting to play it at parties so I can dance to it but some people think that they can't dance to it . Have you had any of these problems? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 14:28:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas R Everard" Subject: Intro To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, hello all... Here is my introduction Name: Tom Everard Age: 20 Albums: The two normal releases, and age of lonliness single (not much, but looking to acquire more) Job: Student Other favorite artists: (Don't laugh at the variance) Eric Clapton, Seal, ONe Dove, Sarah McLachlan, Billy Joel, Sting/The police, Peter Gabriel, The Beatles, Nine Inch Nails (yes, I do like all these bands/artists) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:38:32 -0500 From: yakko@sentex.net Subject: Intro To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Well, hello all... > >Here is my introduction > >Name: Tom Everard >Age: 20 >Albums: The two normal releases, and age of lonliness single (not much, but >looking to acquire more) > >Job: Student > >Other favorite artists: (Don't laugh at the variance) Eric Clapton, Seal, ONe >Dove, Sarah McLachlan, Billy Joel, Sting/The police, Peter Gabriel, The >Beatles, Nine Inch Nails (yes, I do like all these bands/artists) > > > > Tom, welcome to the list, and don't worry about it; I like Nine Inch Nails as well. I also love Enigma, Jean-Michel Jarre, KMFDM, and Beethoven. It's actually a good thing that you aren't limited to only one type of music. Just my $0.02 Krisztian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:34:22 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Intro To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Welcome aboard Tom, we are glad to have you Jamie At 02:28 PM 12/19/95 -0500, you wrote: >Well, hello all... > >Here is my introduction > >Name: Tom Everard >Age: 20 >Albums: The two normal releases, and age of lonliness single (not much, but >looking to acquire more) > >Job: Student > >Other favorite artists: (Don't laugh at the variance) Eric Clapton, Seal, ONe >Dove, Sarah McLachlan, Billy Joel, Sting/The police, Peter Gabriel, The >Beatles, Nine Inch Nails (yes, I do like all these bands/artists) > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:41:16 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Introduction To: "'enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" Hi, My name is Brandon Rhymes and I am new member to the list. I am eighteen years old and a Student at the University of Texas at Austin. My e-mail address is Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu.. anyone interested in contacting me personally may do so at that address. My Enigma Collection includes the Following : (Not That impressive mind you) Singles: "Sadeness Part I" "Mea Culpa Part II" "Age of Loneliness" "Out from the Deep" "The Eye's of Truth" "Return to Innocence" LP's US release : Enigma "MCMXC a.D." US release : Enigma II "Cross of Changes" Other I like include Philip Glass, Enya, Madonna (a very little); The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, and several various Classical artists. (i.e. Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Rimsky-Korsakov and the such. I listen to very little contemporary Popular music aside from Enigma. I do own a B-Tribe album and purchased, yet returned a Deep forest Album. Sincerely, Brandon Rhymes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 15:14:06 -0700 From: roberte@goodnet.com (Robert Eldredge) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, My name is Robert Eldredge. I am a new member to this mailing list. I am 22 years old. I am a computer tech at Circuit Specialists. I have both Enigma album titles MCMXC a. D. and Cross of Changes. I fisrt heard Enigma when I was driving home from school when I heard Sadeness for the first time on the radio. I liked it so much I accedently hit the accelerator instead of the brakes when pulling into my driveway, Crashed my Fiero into my house. Other artists I like are Delerium, Deep Forest, and Pink Floyd. --==[Robert Eldredge]]==-- --==[roberte@goodnet.com]==-- --==[http://www.goodnet.com/~roberte]==-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:22:04 -0500 From: yakko@sentex.net Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello all, I have already read many of your messages and find most of them quite interesting. Now, I shall come out from the shadows and introduce myself. My name is Krisztian Czene, I am in my 19th year of existence, and I own only the two albums, 1990 A.D. and the Cross of Changes. My favourite of the two is 1990 A.D. since it is the only album I currently possess that can make me truly at ease, (I 'm a manic depressive). I can't remember the first time I heard Enigma, but I'm sure it was a while ago. I didn't immediately fall in love with the music, but it grew on me over time. Other artists I like include NIN, KMFDM, Ministry, Kraftwerk, Front 242, Die Warzau, Skinny Puppy... (anything industrial), Ludwig van Beethoven, Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis... (anything relaxing and calming). I also write music on my computer, although I can't actually play any instrument whatsoever. I'm in contact with some people who could help me in producing a CD and I'm really thrilled about it. Well, that's all for now. Sincerely, Krisztian Czene a.k.a. Yakko Warner E-mail- yakko@sentex.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:14:42 -0600 From: cherae@intersurf.com (cherae dejean) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, i am new to the mailing list. Following is the information you requested about me: I am 33 and my name is Cherae. MCMXD is my favorite Enigma CD. I also have Cross of Changes. I first heard enigma on a club mix tape that someone made for me in a club in New Orleans. I love to listen to enigma while driving especially in bumper to bumper traffic - the music takes me away and keeps me from getting angry sitting in traffic. I also listen to MCMXD while doing stretching exercises (the music is very motivational for some reason). other info about me: favorites: Enya, Counting Crows, Live, Hootie, Chris Thomas, JL Hooker, various others work: graphic designer edu: BA in psychology what i like to do: read, play soccer, waterski, fish, talk about religion thanks for inquiring cherae :> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:46:51 -0600 From: Falcon Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Greetings everyone. I am 16 years of age, and I absolutely love Enigma. My collection includes the Limited Edition MCMXC a.D. album, and the Enigma 2 Cross of Changes album. I am hunting for, (and probably am not likely to find) the Limited Edition remix of the Enigma 2 album. If anyone can reccommend some other good remix albums I'd be grateful. Thanks. Christopher /------ /-----/ / /----- /-----/ / / / / / / / / / / \ / /---- /-----/ / / / / / \ / / / / / / / / / \ / / / / / / / / / \/ / / / /_____ /______ /_____/ / / ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 01:12:23 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Introduction To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Greetings everyone. I am 16 years of age, and I absolutely love >Enigma. My collection includes the Limited Edition MCMXC a.D. album, and the >Enigma 2 Cross of Changes album. I am hunting for, (and probably am not >likely to find) the Limited Edition remix of the Enigma 2 album. If anyone >can reccommend some other good remix albums I'd be grateful. Thanks. > "The Omen Mix" of Principles of Lust is excellent...even better than the original one. It is on the single "Principles of Lust" CD. Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 20:25:32 -0500 From: MadaMocha@aol.com Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In a message dated 95-12-27 20:30:14 EST, you write: > I am hunting for, (and probably am not >likely to find) the Limited Edition remix of the Enigma 2 album. If anyone >can reccommend some other good remix albums I'd be grateful. Thanks. How about the Sadness Part 1 Single? It features the Violent Mix. It's one of my favorites. It's a US import from Germany. Good luck finding it! : ) :) :) MadaMocha ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Dec 95 13:58:21 EST From: "Michael E. Weaver" Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey - my name is Michael Weaver. I'm a 23 year old student of anthropology and computer science at the University of South Florida. I work for IBM as a computer programmer. I first heard Enigma (Sadeness) on my way to Orlando in my friend's very nice stereo system in his Land Cruiser. Needless to say, I was quite overwhelmed. To this day, MCMXC a.d. is still my favorite CD. My Enigma collection is pretty sparse...just the original and the Cross of Changes. Even so, I consider myself a pretty big fan. Other artists I enjoy are Delerium (newer stuff only), Ray Lynch, Cusco, U2, Pink Floyd, David Lanz, Sade, Yanni, Enya, Loreena McKennitt, Deep Forest, James Asher, Pearl Jam, Bach, and Metallica ballads (just to name a few). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 15:19:59 +0500 From: bdrake@n1.globalvision.net Subject: IRC To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey guys !! I have a channel open on IRC right now...3:00 p.m. #Enigma_FAN. come on in !!! bdrake@globalvision.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 00:34:28 -0500 (EST) From: Olivaw Subject: Joe Wasicek To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello out there in Enigma land! As per the little intro sheet, her's my life in a nutshell. My name is Joseph Wasicek, my nickname is Olivaw since I am a devout Isaac Asimov junkie, I'm 18 years old, I was born on Christmas Day, my mother's name is Mary, my father's name is Joseph (God's honest truth). I'm a student at Georgia State University in Atlanta. I'm also an Eagle Scout and an assistant scoutmaster with the Boy Scouts of America. My hobbies are listening to music (and wishing I had learned to play an instrument), playing Magic:TG, and reading. Favorite music: Enigma (MX and 2, MX collector's, some singles--slim pickings 'round here) Enya Sarah McLachlan Tori Amos etc. Anything else you guys would like to know? Thanks Joe Wasicek ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:26:26 -0800 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos) Subject: Kemmler and Kah-Sandra videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello there Bob I Was the one who asked about the sandra videos. When the answered hubert Kah and Kemmler they meant the same. The difference is Hubert kemmler is the guy and hubert Kah is the name of his band. What Cds are you looking for? I can make a tape of "Sound of my Heart" for you if you want. My copy of "Tensongs" I gave it to my best friend in Philadelphia and forgot to make myself a copy. Let me know if you want it or where to send it to. If you want to byu the cds I can look on the stores in L.A. if they still have them. Is worth the trouble. Severo From L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 12:16:59 -0600 From: aikman@onramp.net (Lance Lancaster) Subject: Kemmler and Kah-Sandra videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Speaking of Hubert Kah, I too have several of the albums (sound of my heart, the remix album, tensongs, goldene zienten)...I'm looking for ANY other singles and albums that might be out I'd sure like whatever else there is. I'd just about give a limb for anything else the band has made! Lance ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:06:36 +0100 From: Sven Puklowski Subject: Kemmler and Kah-Sandra videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hiho ! >Speaking of Hubert Kah, I too have several of the albums (sound of my heart, the >remix album, tensongs, goldene zienten)...I'm looking for ANY other singles >and albums that might be out I'd sure like whatever else there is. I'd just >about give a limb for anything else the band has made! The German Recordcompany is sooo ARGHL (x-rated :) ) .... I want to buy the REMIX Album too .. but it was cancel here again.... :( !! Well Hubert Kahs first single was "ROSEMARIE" , the second Single was "STERNENHIMMEL" (my favorite !) the third Single was "Einmal nur mit Erika" , the fourth Single was "Engel 07", and the fifth was "Wenn der Mond die Sonne" beruehrt..... The Albums: The first Album have the Title : Meine Hoehepunkte with this Songs: Rosemarie Libido Voyeur Tanzen gehn Aufblasbare Puppen Liebelei Lieb mich Gigolo Caruso Du bist so schoen (this song wrote Hubert with my Music Teacher , for over 13 years :) ) Radio Very intressting for me was, that Hubert Kah released a Twelve Inch Maxi from Rosemarie with a LONG VERSION from the Title... it was not typical in this Time to release some 12inches with Extended Versions. I found this Maxi on the last Record Show here :) ! The second LP was my favorite... but I loose the cassette... I hope I will find the Orginal Cassette later, because it was a great great great Album !! The Title from the LP was " ICH KOMME" He released the LP in the first time without "Einmal nur mit Erika" and later it was included with this song. I dont know the Tracklisting.... but there was : La-La-Langeweile, Sternenhimmel, Einmal nur mit Erika etc..... if I find the cassette, I will write the Tracks :) ! Im not s Tschuess Sven ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:14:46 +-100 From: GA Burghout Subject: limited-edition of "TCOC" To: "'Enigma Mailing List'" I've read someones mail/message regarding the limited-edition of "The = Cross Of Changes". I've got it ... It contain three bonus tracks: - Return To Innocence (long & alive version) - Age Of Loneliness ( enigmatic club mix) - The Eyes Of Thruth (the goetterdaemmerung mix) It's a 24-karat gold plated CD which comes in a "paper" box instead of = the "normal" plastic ones. There were "only" 50.000 limited-editions = released. I hope you'll still be able to find one. Speaking of that, I = could, if you want me to, find out if that CD is still available in = Holland (thats were this humble message is coming from) and see how we = can work things out. Greetz, gaburgh@cybercomm.nl PS I think it's the first scene ... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 12:56:03 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Mailing list you may be interested in. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I was soing some net surfing and found a couple of mailing lists you may interested in. 1. This list is by the record label of Dead can Dance. Suppossedly they talk about the group and other related artists. May be a cool list. To subscribe: listserve@american.edu in message body: subscribe 4AD-L your name, not net address. 2. Electronic dreams list. They discuss electronic new age music. For more info., contact elana@netcom.com and ask for the"emdreams" info kit. 3. For Vangelis junkies, there is a Vangelis list. To subsciribe: direct-request@celtech.com subscribe Vangelis Their were also Enya lists, Tangerine Dream, Mike Oakfield (Sp?) etc. Hope you can use this info. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 11:39:21 MST From: schaffet@Colorado.EDU (Eric T. Schaffner) Subject: MCMXC a.D. v. Cross of Changes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'd also say that MCMXC a.D. is a much stronger album than CoC. The flow and structure of the album is superior to CoC--hell, even the remixes of MCMXC a.D. are better than CoC's remixes. While I think that MCMXC a.D. is still the best album that I own, I'd also say that I like Delerium's Semantic Spaces better than the Cross of Changes. RE the angels idea: I personally hope that Cretu explores a darker/more sexual side of his musical ideas for Enigma III rather than going into the Angels category. I don't think the more 'happy side' of spirituality fits in well with Enigma's music, i.e. "Return to Innocence." Don't crucify me just yet as I do like "Return to Innocence", but it didn't have that 'Enigma-feel' and seemed to stick out like a sore thumb on the album to me. Anyway, that's my $0.02 -Eric ___________________________________________________________ Eric T. Schaffner Mail: schaffet@Colorado.EDU MCD Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder "Sade, es-tu diabolique, ou divin?" -CMC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:12:33 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: MCMXC a.D. v. Cross of Changes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 11:39 AM 12/7/95 MST, you wrote: >I'd also say that MCMXC a.D. is a much stronger album than CoC. The >flow and structure of the album is superior to CoC--hell, even the >remixes of MCMXC a.D. are better than CoC's remixes. While I think >that MCMXC a.D. is still the best album that I own, I'd also say that >I like Delerium's Semantic Spaces better than the Cross of Changes. > >RE the angels idea: I personally hope that Cretu explores a >darker/more sexual side of his musical ideas for Enigma III rather >than going into the Angels category. I don't think the more 'happy >side' of spirituality fits in well with Enigma's music, i.e. "Return >to Innocence." Don't crucify me just yet as I do like "Return to >Innocence", but it didn't have that 'Enigma-feel' and seemed to stick >out like a sore thumb on the album to me. > >Anyway, that's my $0.02 > >-Eric > ___________________________________________________________ > Eric T. Schaffner Mail: schaffet@Colorado.EDU > MCD Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder > "Sade, es-tu diabolique, ou divin?" -CMC > > Eric, I would have to agree with you that I hope that Michael would chose to explore black magic or vodoo rather than life after death (good version not the bad). Return to Innocence was good but I really preferred Eyes of Truth and Carly's song as they had the MCMXC A.D. feel to them. The song that I really feel that isn't as good as their other songs is Out From the Deep. FROM Jamie. Till my head falls out of the clouds and my heart lands there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:00:59 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: MCMXC a.D. v. Cross of Changes To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC4C5.95F87740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ---------- From: Eric T. Schaffner[SMTP:schaffet@Colorado.EDU] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 1995 12:39 PM To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Re: MCMXC a.D. v. Cross of Changes I'd also say that MCMXC a.D. is a much stronger album than CoC. The flow and structure of the album is superior to CoC--hell, even the remixes of MCMXC a.D. are better than CoC's remixes. While I think that MCMXC a.D. is still the best album that I own, I'd also say that I like Delerium's Semantic Spaces better than the Cross of Changes. RE the angels idea: I personally hope that Cretu explores a darker/more sexual side of his musical ideas for Enigma III rather than going into the Angels category. I don't think the more 'happy side' of spirituality fits in well with Enigma's music, i.e. "Return to Innocence." Don't crucify me just yet as I do like "Return to Innocence", but it didn't have that 'Enigma-feel' and seemed to stick out like a sore thumb on the album to me. Amen to that. :-) It was the darkness and mystery of MCMXC a.D. that = first turned me onto the group. Angels would be a bit happy-go-lucky.. = But, hey, it could still be good. PS. If there are any files attached to this letter , please let me know = !! :-) I need to fix this problem immediately.. I'll keep trying. :-) Anyway, that's my $0.02 -Eric ___________________________________________________________ Eric T. 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Cross of Changes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Agreed, Out from the Deep is my least favorite Enigma song. :-( (You gotta have a least favorite.. it's just the way things work. ) At 05:12 PM 12/7/95 -0500, you wrote: >At 11:39 AM 12/7/95 MST, you wrote: >>I'd also say that MCMXC a.D. is a much stronger album than CoC. The >>flow and structure of the album is superior to CoC--hell, even the >>remixes of MCMXC a.D. are better than CoC's remixes. While I think >>that MCMXC a.D. is still the best album that I own, I'd also say that >>I like Delerium's Semantic Spaces better than the Cross of Changes. >> >>RE the angels idea: I personally hope that Cretu explores a >>darker/more sexual side of his musical ideas for Enigma III rather >>than going into the Angels category. I don't think the more 'happy >>side' of spirituality fits in well with Enigma's music, i.e. "Return >>to Innocence." Don't crucify me just yet as I do like "Return to >>Innocence", but it didn't have that 'Enigma-feel' and seemed to stick >>out like a sore thumb on the album to me. >> >>Anyway, that's my $0.02 >> >>-Eric >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Eric T. Schaffner Mail: schaffet@Colorado.EDU >> MCD Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder >> "Sade, es-tu diabolique, ou divin?" -CMC >> >> >Eric, > I would have to agree with you that I hope that Michael would chose to >explore black magic or vodoo rather than life after death (good version not >the bad). Return to Innocence was good but I really preferred Eyes of Truth >and Carly's song as they had the MCMXC A.D. feel to them. The song that I >really feel that isn't as good as their other songs is Out From the Deep. >FROM >Jamie. > >Till my head falls out of the clouds and my heart lands there. > > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:57:19 -0800 (PST) From: Dinh Le Subject: MCMXC aD Vs, Cross. To: enigma My personal take on this debate is this. Cretu is great. And his music reflects that. Esp Enigma. But if it came down to the wire I would have to pick MCMXC. Why? Both album are extremely poerful, esp the Cross, but MCMXC is more is unique. It dares to do something that not allot of music out there is willing to do, and that is explore sex and religion, catholism at once. MCMXC addressed a taboo that I felt hasn;t been done before, and the way in which it was done was incredible. The Cross had a message too, proabbly more important than that of MCMXC, but the geopolitical, save the environment, the white man is bad and kills everything, has been done. Although never as great as this. Don't get me wrong I still love the Cross, but there is just something about MCMXC that raises it above Cross. Sadeness, how can anything touch taht song? Anyway... I too have some thoughts about Enigma III, I feel that Cretu should not go the Angel angle. I feel it would be allot more interesting if he went for the darker images. Bring back some of the elements of MCMXC, but take it a different direction. I have an idea of what this new direction is, it's just I am at a lost for word at the moment. I wouldn't mind if Cretu went with angels, it's just that the dark side is just allot more interesting than the light. Don't you agree? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:39:11 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander DeDios Subject: MCMXC aD Vs, Cross. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Dinh Le wrote: > About the angel theme... > if he went for the darker images. Bring back some of the elements of > MCMXC, but take it a different direction. I have an idea of what this new > direction is, it's just I am at a lost for word at the moment. I wouldn't > mind if Cretu went with angels, it's just that the dark side is just > allot more interesting than the light. Don't you agree? > Who says angels don't have a dark side? Ever heard of Lucifer, God's right hand angel? Personally I'd like Cretu to come up with an angel theme focusing on this little topic of Lucifer falling from grace. It would sound so light and then turn dark and heavy. Wow, I could really go for that. :) Take it easy. -Alex de Dios ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:11:58 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Echols Subject: MCMXC aD Vs, Cross. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au OOOHHH!!!! Yeah, that sounds like and AWESOME idea. Unfortunatly I don't think that Curly reads this list...but you never know. Unfortunatly I bet that Enigma III is well under way by now, but that is a great idea for Enigma IV or any of you composers out there. Peace and stuff. - Me > On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Dinh Le wrote: > > Who says angels don't have a dark side? Ever heard of Lucifer, God's > right hand angel? Personally I'd like Cretu to come up with an angel > theme focusing on this little topic of Lucifer falling from grace. It > would sound so light and then turn dark and heavy. Wow, I could really go > for that. :) > > Take it easy. > -Alex de Dios > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:40:47 -0700 From: ssschool@ccinet.ab.ca (Paul R.) Subject: MCMXC aD Vs, Cross. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 8, Jason Echols wrote: > OOOHHH!!!! Yeah, that sounds like and AWESOME idea. > > Unfortunatly I don't think that Curly reads this list...but you never > know. > Unfortunatly I bet that Enigma III is well under way by now, but that is > > a great idea for Enigma IV or any of you composers out there. > > Peace and stuff. > > - - Me > > > On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Dinh Le wrote: > > > > Who says angels don't have a dark side? Ever heard of Lucifer, God's > > right hand angel? Personally I'd like Cretu to come up with an angel > > theme focusing on this little topic of Lucifer falling from grace. It > > would sound so light and then turn dark and heavy. Wow, I could really > go > > for that. :) > > > > Take it easy. > > -Alex de Dios > > I whole-heartedly agree, the transitioning method of starting with a happier theme like Rivers of Belief, then going darker would be extremely good!!!:) _______ |_______| |aul Roffel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:24:51 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: MCMXC vs. COC (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > From mozaic@kaiwan.com Tue Dec 12 05:17:22 1995 > Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) > From: MOZAIC > To: Owner-enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Subject: MCMXC vs. COC > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > MCMXC was a provocative, perverse and subversive album. Above all, it had > the merit of introducing the charmingly insane Marquis de Sade to the > masses; sado-masochism via Gregorian chants, what a fascinating concept ! > > On the other hand, " The Cross of Changes" is nothing but a collection of > dreadful platitudes. How could an "intellectual" write such horrible, > vomitive lyrics ? Return to Innocence and Silent Warrior are especially > infantile and laughable. > I suggest that we all collect some money and buy Mr. Cretu a few > instructive books. It seems to me that he has not opened one in decades. > Razvan Verzeanu > > P.S. > Although, like most Romanians, Mr. Cretu is Greek Orthodox, he does not > believe in God but in destiny. ( I read this in an interview with him). > That's a little bit pathetic and snobbish, don't you think ? > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:03:07 -0600 From: mdragon@phoenix.net Subject: MCMXC vs. COC (fwd) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Forwarded message: >> From mozaic@kaiwan.com Tue Dec 12 05:17:22 1995 >> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:16:59 -0800 (PST) >> From: MOZAIC >> To: Owner-enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> Subject: MCMXC vs. COC >> Message-ID: >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> >> MCMXC was a provocative, perverse and subversive album. Above all, it had >> the merit of introducing the charmingly insane Marquis de Sade to the >> masses; sado-masochism via Gregorian chants, what a fascinating concept ! >> >> On the other hand, " The Cross of Changes" is nothing but a collection of >> dreadful platitudes. How could an "intellectual" write such horrible, >> vomitive lyrics ? Return to Innocence and Silent Warrior are especially >> infantile and laughable. >> I suggest that we all collect some money and buy Mr. Cretu a few >> instructive books. It seems to me that he has not opened one in decades. >> Razvan Verzeanu >> >> P.S. >> Although, like most Romanians, Mr. Cretu is Greek Orthodox, he does not >> believe in God but in destiny. ( I read this in an interview with him). >> That's a little bit pathetic and snobbish, don't you think ? >> >> > > > I totally disagree about the "Cross of Changes". To me, both CD's are complete opposites, enhancing the other: One being dark and sadistic, earthly pleasures: the other, speaking of spiritual love and faith. In fact, 'Dance of the Dolphins' points out the scientific fact that dolphins have greater brain capacity than humans. A type of telepathic communication exist between their species (or rather super sonic sound waves so high that humans cannot hear). Dolphins pick out a mate for life and are 'monogamous' until death. Thereafter, if one dies, the surviving dolphin will not mate..or it is rare (this I think is fascinating. Humans claim to have such high intelligence and we go around with our promiscuity, our filth, our faithless ways....) About Cretu not beleiving in God but in destiny: aren't one and the same? If you believe in destiny, then you believe in God because the prophets have foretold the coming of Christ. THAT is destiny. And if you believe in God, then you MUST believe in destiny to have faith....... Leti ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Dec 1995 10:54:10 -0700 (MST) From: "" Subject: Mea Culpa and Boheme To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just wanted to thank the mailing list people for getting me interested in Deep Forest. When I first joined and heard you all talk about them, I went out and bought their first CD, because I had heard "Sweet Lullaby" before and like it. Turns out I like the whole CD. Then yesterday I was Christmas shopping (Merry Christmas everyone by the way) and I saw Boheme and decided I'd buy myself a present. I'm glad I did. When I first heard it, I was surprised at it's difference from the first one, but I like it just the same. "Bohemian Ballet" and "Katharina" are my favourites. Also while I was out, I almost died when I finally found the CD single of Mea Culpa that I had been looking for for so long! It has the Fading Shades, Orthodox and Catholic versions. My favoutite was the Orthodox until I heard Fading Shades, now I have two favourites! I think Mea Culpa is by far the best song Enigma has. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:16:52 -0800 From: mcgee@redshift.com (Jeffry McGee) Subject: Money Train To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just saw Money Train, and in the bar scene when Wesley Snipes goes to confront the mob boss, "I Love You, I'll Kill You" was the song playing. So what is that, Sliver & Money Train. Are there any others? //// (. .) ---------------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------- Jeffry McGee mcgee@redshift.com ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 22:29:38 -0600 From: mdragon@phoenix.net Subject: Money Train To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au "The Eyes of Truth" in the Scarlet Letter starring Demi Moore. Also, the "Return to Innocence" came out in this cheesy movie with Chevy Chase called something like Father of the House. I could not believe M.C. actually gave them the right to use his music in such an uncouth film. Thanks. Leti >I just saw Money Train, and in the bar scene when Wesley Snipes goes to >confront the mob boss, "I Love You, I'll Kill You" was the song playing. > >So what is that, Sliver & Money Train. Are there any others? > > //// > (. .) > ---------------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------- > Jeffry McGee > mcgee@redshift.com > ----------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 1995 23:39:44 CDT From: neuro@basinlink.com (Neuromancer) Subject: Movie w/ Enigma Music To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yes ... Money Train and Sliver both have Enigma tunes ... What else? Man Of The House has Return to Innocence at the very end and .. Exit to Eden also has Return to innocence in the scene where the boat is setting sail for the island. Now time for me to introduce myself after sitting back and reading messages for the past three weeks. My name is Angel, I've can't recall how long I've been listening to Enigma, but someone I had a crush on started me on it . My Favorite Song is The Principles of Lust. Some of my other favorite groups are Depeche Mode, Madonna, Scorpions, Those crazy Benedictine Monks , and Enya. My collection is only MCMXC a.D. and Cross of Changes. How much of a fan am I? Hmmm ... I go to sleep listening to Enigma, wake up and put Enigma in ... I listen to Enigma when I am depressed, when I am overjoyed, when I am feeling romantic, and when I am feeling lonely (this is all MCMXC especially The Principles of Lust). I can only usually stand to listen to Cross of Changes when I'm in a happy/good mood. Even I Love you ... I'll Kill You get's on my nerves when I'm in any other mood ... especially the guitar. I find that mcmxc makes me go on a sort of an emotional roller coaster. Well, I guess that's it for me. Just wanted you all to know I'm out here listening. -Neuromancer "Enigma -- Share it with the one you love" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 09:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Jacques-Bertrand Pichette (pichette@uniforum.qc.ca)" Subject: Multimedia ( Was: Save the Rain Forest ) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >From: jl@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (J. Li) >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:10:48 -0600 >Subject: Save the Rain Forest Music Video > >I'm surprised no one talked about this yet; but a music video / cd-rom >featuring supermodels promoting the presevation of rain forest has been >released (at least in the US). The video also features music of Enigma and >some other musicians. I haven't heard of them, but most likely the songs >will be sadness or return to innocence. > >Anybody got the cd-rom or video yet? I saw the box last week at a computer shop. Not at a record shop. It's a Multimedia stuff released by Virgin Recors ( who release a lot of computer games and other related stuff ) It said on the jacket that it contain music of Enigma. (And also vidoe clips of quasi-naked women) I will try to look at it ( if I cand found it again ) tomorrow and give you some news. _____________________________________________________________________ Jacques-Bertrand Pichette | Email: | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca ________________________________|____________________________________ This E-mail is printed on 100% recycled electron. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 13:19:58 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: New Enya's Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, I got the new Enya album called "The Memory of Trees". It's good. I don't know why some of you say it does not sound like Enya's previous ones. But it does!!!! Listen "Anywhere is", especially the way she sings the part: "You go there you're gone forever I go there I'll lose my way....." The way she sings is very cute and nice. That song is very nice, even the lyrics.... Anyway, Enigma is the best..... YMT Internet ProLink PC User ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 14:32:24 EST From: Raluca Preda Subject: New Enya's Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au what does the new enya sound like? does it have techno/dance combined with other stuff in it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 95 22:00 PST From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler) Subject: New IRC on dal.net To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have just registered #enigma_fan (notice it's a _ not -) on dal.net. So again, if you've got IRC access or want to know more about it join us, I'm usually there at around 7:00 to 10:00 p.m. EST If you would like moe info on this then please feel free to email me. thanx. Oh, a server to loggin to would be irc.dal.net (This is a different network, so you need special servers such as this one). |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=Neil) | ,____| equestrian fan & rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn long "enough, he'll stop trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing in "my mouth." "Do Not Attempt to Traverse a Chasm in Two Leaps." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 15:39:31 -0900 From: Anthony D Kuhn Subject: New Member To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au My name is Anthony Kuhn My age is 26 My Enigma collection is only "Cross of Changes", but I am looking for the limited edition MCMXCa.D. CD so if you know of anyone selling one...;') I first heard Enigma in a disco in Izmir, Turkiye in the Fall/Winter of 1990. It was love a first listen, to be sure. My musical tastes are varied, but no acid rock or country. I am in the "rave" scene in Fairbanks, Alaska and I play piano, both classical and in a jazz band. I am currently studying English Literature at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks and working part-time as a Network Technician for the U. My e-mail address is sxadk@orca.alaska.edu. I look forward to seeing what goes on in the Enigma world. Tks and talk to you soon. Cheers! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 95 14:53:34 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: New Sarah brightman album : "Fly" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au to all the Sarah Brightman fans on this list : There's a new Sarah Brightman album out in Germany !! It's called "Fly" the tracklisting is as follows : 1 The fly 2:55 2 Why 5:11 3 Murder in Mairyland Park 3:38 4 How can heaven love me 3:44 (featuring Chrid Thompson) 5 A question of honour 6:34 6 Ghost in the machinery 4:23 7 You take my breath away 6:49 8 Something in the air 4:22 (featuring Tom Jones) 9 Heaven is here 4:03 10 I loved you 4:09 11 Fly 2:51 EastWest records, 1995 # 0630-13270-2 A question of honour has also been released on single in Germany, and after it appeared in a TV programm it made the top 20 there. songs are written by : 1,2,7,11 Frank Peterson & Sarah Brightman 3 Stina Nordenstamm 4 Frank Peterson, Christensen & Dorell 5 Frank Peterson 6 Frank Peterson & Ravenhill 8 Frank Peterson, Christensen & Filz 9,10 Frank Peterson, Schwarz, Meissner & sarah Brightman album produced by Frank Peterson & Sarah Brightman, except : 4,5,8 co-produced by Alex Christensen 9 co-produced by Thomas Schwartz & Matthias Meissner after "Dive", where the central theme was 'water', on this album the central theme is 'the sky' and 'heaven'. I've only got it last Saturday, so I haven't had the time to listen much to it. Maybe I'll send a review of it to the list in the near future. ---------- Robin Wessels ---------- mail : r.wessels@student.utwente.nl home : http://huizen.dds.nl/~robin-w/home.htm the Chante Moore homepage : http://huizen.dds.nl/~robin-w/chante/home.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 14:38:36 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander DeDios Subject: New Sarah brightman album : "Fly" To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > There's a new Sarah Brightman album out in Germany !! > It's called "Fly" > > EastWest records, 1995 > # 0630-13270-2 > > A question of honour has also been released on single in Germany, > and after it appeared in a TV programm it made the top 20 there. > > songs are written by : > > 1,2,7,11 Frank Peterson & Sarah Brightman > 3 Stina Nordenstamm > 4 Frank Peterson, Christensen & Dorell > 5 Frank Peterson > 6 Frank Peterson & Ravenhill > 8 Frank Peterson, Christensen & Filz > 9,10 Frank Peterson, Schwarz, Meissner & sarah Brightman > > album produced by Frank Peterson & Sarah Brightman, except : > 4,5,8 co-produced by Alex Christensen > 9 co-produced by Thomas Schwartz & Matthias Meissner > Thanks Robin! I have to try and get hold of this. Most of these guys were involved with the "Gregorian - Sadisfaction" album. It's refreshing to see these producers come up with something new. I hope I can get hold of this CD soon. -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:22:47 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: new subscriber To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi fellow subscribers, My name is Jamie Jeffrey and I am a 20 year old student at Ohio Northern Universtiy majoring in Sports Medicine/ Health Education which is actually like a triple major sort of. I only have Enigma's two U.S. releases and have not been able to track down any of the singles. I do like Deep Forest and will get their CD's when I go home for Cristmas break. I first heard of Enigma when I saw the video for Sadness part 1 on MTV. I rushed out to get that cassete single and then rushed for the first album. During high school I developed a problem of going to sleep at night sort of like insomnia. The only thing that helped me go to sleep was Enigma. I wore the CD and cassette out so bad that I had to get new ones. Then the Cross of Changes came out and I was reborn. My insomnia is not as bad as it once was thanks to Enigma. Some of my other favorite artists to name a limited few are: Seal, House of Pain, The Cure, Duran Duran, Moby( if you like tecno check him out he is brilliant), Nine Inch Nails, Machines of Loving Grace, Toad the Wet Sprocket, PM Dawn, and Tears for Fears. I could go on but it would bore you. I have already recieved messages from all of you and you have brightened my incoming mail significantly. luv, Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 16:32:09 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I was just curious to know what you would ask Michael Cretu if you had the opportunity to speak with him? What questions about his music would you ask? What else would you ask? What I would ask Michael if I had the opportunity to chat with him: 1. Will you finance and produce my CD? 2. (pointing a gun at him) Will you finance and produce my CD? {;-> 3. Who are your infulences? 4. What is your favorite music--artists? 5. What synths/samplers do you use? 6. (After much alcohol) Will you finance and produce my CD? 7. Do you know any good Redneck jokes? 8. Wanna hear some? 9 Did you sing back-up for the Bee Gees? 10 Why are your bodyguards making me leave? Yes, these for the most part are not serious questions. At the moment I really couldn't think of anything "deep." However, I would like to hear what you would ask Mr. Cretu. Please don't flame me for enigma blasphemy. Pete Geisheker With the way my music career has been going, I need to have a good sense of humor. Do you know of any millioinaires that will finance my CD? For women millionaires, I'm 25 and look like a younger version of Eric Clapton and I'm not above being a kept man. Really, I'm not. I have no morals whatsoever. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 14:55:43 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Pete, Hi all As far as I know Michael Cretu uses 1.Euphonix 2.E-Magic 3.Audio Frame Workstation 4.Midimoog 5.PPG System 6.Korg M1 & X3 7.C-Lab Notator 8.Takamine 6 and 12 String 9.Tom Anderson Electric Guitars 10.Otari DTR-900 These are the instruments that Michael uses for his A.R.T.studio in Ibiza. Michael has his own favourite composer whose name sounds like a German. I forgot the name, maybe Gavin knows the name. Once I saw an interview of Michael on French TV. The interview was done at Michael's villa in Ibiza. They showed his studio and house. The walls of his house are decorated by countless "Golden Disc" (apparently awards). A number of "Enigma" posters were there too. His studio is huge and it's very, very modern. His mixing table is C-shaped and full of countless buttons. On the top of the mixing table is three computers, apparently running "Notator". This is what I know about his instruments and studio. See ya!!! Ye Min Than Internet ProLink PC User ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 19:56:23 -0600 From: "Matt C. Anderson" Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yea Pete! I heartily agree that a new topic would rock. Although listening to people battle furiously over which Enigma album is the best is an incredibly interesting topic, and I could go on to read the 950 page "Best of the Enigma Dispute: MCMXCa.D. vs. The Cross of Changes" (when it is finally written from a transcript from this mailing list), other topics could easily be cool too. Anybody out there on the list...which of the Enigma singles do you find to be the best? I am into Rave/Techno type 'dancy' music, and some of the dance club remixes of Enigma songs are really cool. The best remix of that type that I have is the 'Enigmatic Club Mix' off of the Age of Lonliness single. It being the only Enigma single I have, I lack the perspective to know what other Enigma singles are cool in this fashion. Also, I am curious...the 'Enigmatic Club Mix' is at 128bpm...are there any remixes out there that are higher than this? (I would have to guess that there are, but I don't know what they are...) Later all, Matt --- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The Usenet Oracle has pondered your question deeply. Your question was: > Why everyone hates me? And in response, thus spake the Oracle: } You am idiot. } You owe oracle you bike. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- manders1@gac.edu uther@ph111a.res-hall.gac.edu http://www.gac.edu/~manders1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:40:53 -0700 From: ssschool@ccinet.ab.ca (Paul R.) Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 08, Pete Geisheker wrote: > I was just curious to know what you would ask Michael Cretu if you had > the opportunity to speak with him? What questions about his music would > you ask? What else would you ask? I would definitely ask him if Jens Gad was going to be working with him on Enigma III, if he was planning on continuing with Enigma indefinately or if this is just a limited thing, and what themes he is going for on the third album of the Enigma series. P.S. : > 2. (pointing a gun at him) Will you finance and produce my CD? {;-> Cute joke man, don't loose that sence of humor :-) _______ |_______| |aul Roffel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:04:15 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au LOL !!!>. Let me get back to you on this one.. no morals at all.. HAHAH !!/ At 04:32 PM 12/8/95 -0500, you wrote: >I was just curious to know what you would ask Michael Cretu if you had >the opportunity to speak with him? What questions about his music would >you ask? What else would you ask? > >What I would ask Michael if I had the opportunity to chat with him: > >1. Will you finance and produce my CD? >2. (pointing a gun at him) Will you finance and produce my CD? {;-> >3. Who are your infulences? >4. What is your favorite music--artists? >5. What synths/samplers do you use? >6. (After much alcohol) Will you finance and produce my CD? >7. Do you know any good Redneck jokes? >8. Wanna hear some? >9 Did you sing back-up for the Bee Gees? >10 Why are your bodyguards making me leave? > >Yes, these for the most part are not serious questions. At the moment I >really couldn't think of anything "deep." However, I would like to hear >what you would ask Mr. Cretu. > >Please don't flame me for enigma blasphemy. > >Pete Geisheker >With the way my music career has been going, I need to have a good sense >of humor. Do you know of any millioinaires that will finance my CD? For >women millionaires, I'm 25 and look like a younger version of Eric >Clapton and I'm not above being a kept man. Really, I'm not. I have no >morals whatsoever. > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 00:53:27 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, Hmm...well still, as a musician, I will say Michael is the best composer for me. My favourite. I agree with you guys that there are a lot of excellent musicians like Jarre, Vangelis,..etc. But still Michael had brought old and new elements together into a new kind of music. Music of Jarre and Vangelis are almost 100% instrumental and sometimes you feel that they are too "mechanical". Enigma is different, it has chantings inside, French singing, all kinds of sound effects. Enigma is more "lively" to listen, more meaning inside. That's the difference..... Pete, don't say that Enigma music is simplistic. It is not! If it is simplistic enough, why no one has done it before???? The main thing is "creativity". Michael is second to none in that field. Bringing these old Gregorian Chants and combine it with modern music.....you need a lot of creativity to do that. Moreover, Michael has his own style such as "a single non-stop song". His music is different, you can see that even on Sandra's albums. That's my view of Michael's music. He is the best composer for me, my favourite. I respect your views guys. Don't take me wrong here. I simply feel that Michael has created a new kind of music that nobody has dare to done it before. See you!!! Ye Min Than Internet ProLink PC User ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 05:24:45 -0700 (MST) From: seether@imap2.asu.edu Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 8 Dec 1995 geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu wrote: > I was just curious to know what you would ask Michael Cretu if you had > the opportunity to speak with him? What questions about his music would > you ask? What else would you ask? Now that you ask Pete, I would have some philosophical questions to ask Michael. Throughout both CD's (MCMXC A.D. and The Cross of Changes) Cretu seems to constantly skim along some religious line. Talk about God (or the lack there of) is exhibited through his songs. Example: Sadeness which as we all know is a song about Comte Donatien Alphones Francois de Sade (better known as Marquis de Sade). At some point in the song the question is posed as to the diabolical or divine nature of Sade. Having read some of Sade's work, he was clearly a person believing entirely in the love of self. It is also Evident that Sade had no belief in God or higher powers. So the conclusion, is that man is his own god and whatever he believes to be right, is. Thus if I think it ok to kill my neighbor, the action is justified--Although the above statements may sound outrageous, Sade's work is filled with all kinds of debauchery and mostly dehumanizing acts. Now in the next song "The Principles of Lust" We have (I believe) Sandra telling us pretty much the same. (we all know the words) The principles of lust (lust of self) are easy to understand, do what you feel (regardless of who it affects), feel until the end (fullful your desires with these acts until you die). The principles of lust are burned in your mind (because you've already lost whatever conscious you had), do what you want, do it until you find love (what kind of love are we talking about here? Love of self AGAIN?!? Must be, because you wont find any other kind of love in fulfilling your own desires). In Cretu's later songs there are implication which can be taken either way (concerning religion). So finally after all the above the questions I would pose to Michael are: 1. Having made a statement concerning the possible divine nature sadism and having backed it directly up with a song which would seem to confirm the above. Does Cretu endorse Sade and his ideas? 2. Is seems to me that maybe Michael has changed his perspective concerning all this between his two cd's. The second cd (although in response to earlier topics, I prefer the first) seems to have a softer tone in general. Possibly because Cretu may have taken a softer look at life and it's purpose. 3. Although trying to de-code a musician's work can be insightful, there are just too many implication as to what the author is trying to say. So, no more guessing, what does Michael believe about life, it's purpose and it's goal... what is the motivation behind the machine. That is mostly what I wanted to say. Although I really have more examples on either side of the fence that I wanted to use, I attempted to be brief as I could (considering the subject). Also be assured that I am not making Cretu out to be a bad guy. The essence of this post is getting at what Michael believes in (and what he has already told us). Please remember when you reply, the views which I present here are not necessarily mine (and I do not endorse or condone them), but rather what I interpret from the music. Lastly, I have been searching fervently for the Limited Edition Cross of Changes and have not found it. So if ANYONE knows a phone number (anywhere in the world) where I can get a sacred copy, please reply via e-mail. seether@imap2.asu.edu -seether- ASU-Phoenix, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 13:27:00 DST From: Flemming Balvig Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma Mailing List - >1.Euphonix >2.E-Magic Hmmm....I believe E-Magic is a software company who's responsible for Notator Logic music composition software. Jens >3.Audio Frame Workstation >4.Midimoog >5.PPG System >6.Korg M1 & X3 >7.C-Lab Notator >8.Takamine 6 and 12 String >9.Tom Anderson Electric Guitars >10.Otari DTR-900 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 13:24:00 DST From: Flemming Balvig Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma Mailing List >Also, I am curious...the 'Enigmatic Club Mix' is at 128bpm...are >there any remixes out there that are higher than this? (I would >have to guess that there are, but I don't know what they are...) > On the Out From The Deep single there is a Trance remix at 168 bpm, pretty up beat i think you might agree... :-) Jens ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 09:51:26 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In regard to the message of "seether", WOW! That is the type of discussion I crave from this mailing list. Keep up the good brain work. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 09:46:58 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I was thinking why MCMX and TCOC sound so different? I found the answer while listening to my music. When I haven't composed for awhile, my style changes. My new psychological and emotional states dictate what will be written. Sometimes when I get stuck in a rut writing music that all sounds the same, I will stop composing for maybe a month. When I begin composing again, my style has changed. I am sure it is that way with most composers. Musical evolution. Thought you would like to know. I have a feeling that the next enigma CD will sound completely different then the first two. Just a composer's hunch. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 02:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: brj@en.com (Brent R. Johnson) Subject: New topic...maybe? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, seether's post was so well-thought-out and so provocative that I just had to respond. :-) Unfortunately, to explain my position will require a bit of background... My art aesthetic is derived largely from my experiences observing dance concerts, as reinforced by after-concert question-and-answer sessions with dancers and choreographers. It seems that many choreographers, while often having some thematic concept in mind as they develop a work, are not always trying to present that (or any) theme to the audience. (Note: I do not mean this to be a universal rule; often a choreographer actually *is* trying to get a specific message across.) It is fine with them if the dancers who perform the work have different concepts about the choreography as they dance, and they are often interested to discover what audience members "see" in the work. I have learned to appreciate this ambiguous aesthetic, to realize that it doesn't matter whether what I get out of a work resembles what was on the artist's mind has he or she produced it, and to believe that if the impact of the work could be captured in a purely rational manner it would not need to be expressed by art at all. So with that in mind, I would like to say what Enigma means to me. First, not only do I prefer MCMXC a.D. to Cross of Changes (which I nevertheless like quite a bit), but I consider it to be a better work. (Frankly, I have never heard any other music to match it in power, although I have come across works in other art forms that I would consider its equal.) My preference for MCMXC a.D. stems in part from a deep empathy with its subject matter. (I am an evangelical Christian, and generally consider myself to be a fundamentalist, albeit a rather unorthodox one.) I have greater difficulty understanding and empathizing with some of the Cross of Changes themes. For example, I don't really understand what is being communicated in "Return to Innocence", and if I understand what "I Love You, I'll Kill You" is about, then it seems shockingly abrupt to me. Musically, of course, the Cross of Changes is all very well done (although I wouldn't mind a little less of that Jens Gad guitar), but being a semi-professional vocalist myself, I find that lyrics are more important to me than they otherwise might be. Leaving that aside however, I think what makes MCMXC a.D. so extraordinary is its power as a song *cycle*. If Cross of Changes is a song cycle, it is a loosely connected one at best. MCMXC a.D., on the other hand, is a coherent whole. In fact, personally I do not understand how people can pick and choose individual songs off MCMXC a.D. and say they like this one or that one the best Sure, there are some parts of it I like better than others, but for me, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Unfortunately, I have only the two standard U.S. CDs (along with the short Part I video), so I haven't heard any of the remixes, but for me they could only be good music evocative of the 'real' experience of the original cycle. For me, MCMXC a.D. immediately confronts sexuality and hedonism head-on. It unabashedly acknowledges the logical endpoint of a self-centered world view (as exemplified by the philosophy of the Marquis de Sade), while simultaneously portraying both the attraction of hedonism and its guilty emptiness, as expressed by the juxtaposition of sexual moaning with Gregorian chant. Neither pop culture with its no-cost view of sex nor contemporary Christianity with its unwillingness to examine sexuality have had this boldness. (In fact, the use of Gregorian chant here also speaks to me of a failure of religion to adequately address this matter.) MCMXC a.D. then evokes the idea of judgement with "The Voice and the Snake" (alluding to the judgement in the Biblical book of Revelations) before finally coming around to a recognition that real meaning in life comes through some other avenue than hedonism: you must return to "The Rivers of Belief". Anyway, that's a nutshell view of (a little of) what I get out of (or read into) MCMXC a.D. There's an awful lot more in there than that, of course, and as I tried to explain earlier, I don't mean to imply at all that Michael Cretu intended MCMXC a.D. to express that message as I described it. Rather, I suspect I have glimpsed and wrested into uffish overly-rational thought just a small portion what went into the work (whether consciously or subconscously), by filtering it through my own mind and soul. Still, I think what MCMXC a.D. addresses is very similar to the Biblical book of Ecclesiastes. I recommend that you find a copy of the King James (Authorized) Version (since it's the most poetic translation I know of) and read Ecclesiastes all the way through. Then listen to the MCMXC a.D. CD. Or, do it the other way around. If you try it, I'd be interested in your reactions. << Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:14:46 -0500 From: James Denis Jeffrey Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Brent and Pete, I appreciate your musical knowledge that you can see Enigma from a totally different perspective than I can. I only wish that I had some sort of musical background that I could enjoy music on a level such as this. I can only go by ear and emotion. I think that you almost take a sort of scientific approach to this music. I may not be as culturally diverse in my music tastes to know who Vandelis and Jarre are but I hope to experince their music soon. At 02:00 AM 12/10/95 -0500, you wrote: >Well, seether's post was so well-thought-out and so provocative >that I just had to respond. :-) > >Unfortunately, to explain my position will require a bit of >background... > >My art aesthetic is derived largely from my experiences observing >dance concerts, as reinforced by after-concert question-and-answer >sessions with dancers and choreographers. It seems that many >choreographers, while often having some thematic concept in mind >as they develop a work, are not always trying to present that (or >any) theme to the audience. (Note: I do not mean this to be a >universal rule; often a choreographer actually *is* trying to get >a specific message across.) It is fine with them if the dancers who >perform the work have different concepts about the choreography as >they dance, and they are often interested to discover what audience >members "see" in the work. > >I have learned to appreciate this ambiguous aesthetic, to realize >that it doesn't matter whether what I get out of a work resembles >what was on the artist's mind has he or she produced it, and to >believe that if the impact of the work could be captured in a >purely rational manner it would not need to be expressed by art >at all. > >So with that in mind, I would like to say what Enigma means to me. >First, not only do I prefer MCMXC a.D. to Cross of Changes (which >I nevertheless like quite a bit), but I consider it to be a better >work. (Frankly, I have never heard any other music to match it in >power, although I have come across works in other art forms that >I would consider its equal.) > >My preference for MCMXC a.D. stems in part from a deep empathy with >its subject matter. (I am an evangelical Christian, and generally >consider myself to be a fundamentalist, albeit a rather unorthodox >one.) I have greater difficulty understanding and empathizing with >some of the Cross of Changes themes. For example, I don't really >understand what is being communicated in "Return to Innocence", and >if I understand what "I Love You, I'll Kill You" is about, then it >seems shockingly abrupt to me. Musically, of course, the Cross of >Changes is all very well done (although I wouldn't mind a little >less of that Jens Gad guitar), but being a semi-professional >vocalist myself, I find that lyrics are more important to me than >they otherwise might be. > >Leaving that aside however, I think what makes MCMXC a.D. so >extraordinary is its power as a song *cycle*. If Cross of Changes >is a song cycle, it is a loosely connected one at best. MCMXC a.D., >on the other hand, is a coherent whole. In fact, personally I do >not understand how people can pick and choose individual songs off >MCMXC a.D. and say they like this one or that one the best Sure, >there are some parts of it I like better than others, but for me, >the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Unfortunately, I >have only the two standard U.S. CDs (along with the short Part I >video), so I haven't heard any of the remixes, but for me they >could only be good music evocative of the 'real' experience of >the original cycle. > >For me, MCMXC a.D. immediately confronts sexuality and hedonism >head-on. It unabashedly acknowledges the logical endpoint of a >self-centered world view (as exemplified by the philosophy of >the Marquis de Sade), while simultaneously portraying both the >attraction of hedonism and its guilty emptiness, as expressed >by the juxtaposition of sexual moaning with Gregorian chant. >Neither pop culture with its no-cost view of sex nor contemporary >Christianity with its unwillingness to examine sexuality have >had this boldness. (In fact, the use of Gregorian chant here >also speaks to me of a failure of religion to adequately address >this matter.) > >MCMXC a.D. then evokes the idea of judgement with "The Voice >and the Snake" (alluding to the judgement in the Biblical book >of Revelations) before finally coming around to a recognition >that real meaning in life comes through some other avenue than >hedonism: you must return to "The Rivers of Belief". > >Anyway, that's a nutshell view of (a little of) what I get out >of (or read into) MCMXC a.D. There's an awful lot more in there >than that, of course, and as I tried to explain earlier, I don't >mean to imply at all that Michael Cretu intended MCMXC a.D. to >express that message as I described it. Rather, I suspect I have >glimpsed and wrested into uffish overly-rational thought just >a small portion what went into the work (whether consciously >or subconscously), by filtering it through my own mind and soul. > >Still, I think what MCMXC a.D. addresses is very similar to the >Biblical book of Ecclesiastes. I recommend that you find a copy >of the King James (Authorized) Version (since it's the most >poetic translation I know of) and read Ecclesiastes all the way >through. Then listen to the MCMXC a.D. CD. Or, do it the other >way around. If you try it, I'd be interested in your reactions. > ><< Brent > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 16:43:14 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: New topic...maybe? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Brent.. Thank you so much for this post. It was this sort of intellectualization and interpretation of the work Enigma that I sought when joining this list. Thank You. I promise you, when finals are over I will read Ecclesiastes. The idea of MCMXC a.D. being one complete story has been one that I have turned over in my head for a very long time. I have never been quite sure how to word, or express my explanation of the work (or what it meant to me) due to my lack Biblical understanding. I appreciate your insight on this matter and I wish to say that you hit very close to the mark with everything that you have said in this post. Please, keep it up. :-) Sincerely, Brandon Rhymes At 02:00 AM 12/10/95 -0500, you wrote: >Well, seether's post was so well-thought-out and so provocative >that I just had to respond. :-) > >Unfortunately, to explain my position will require a bit of >background... > >My art aesthetic is derived largely from my experiences observing >dance concerts, as reinforced by after-concert question-and-answer >sessions with dancers and choreographers. It seems that many >choreographers, while often having some thematic concept in mind >as they develop a work, are not always trying to present that (or >any) theme to the audience. (Note: I do not mean this to be a >universal rule; often a choreographer actually *is* trying to get >a specific message across.) It is fine with them if the dancers who >perform the work have different concepts about the choreography as >they dance, and they are often interested to discover what audience >members "see" in the work. > >I have learned to appreciate this ambiguous aesthetic, to realize >that it doesn't matter whether what I get out of a work resembles >what was on the artist's mind has he or she produced it, and to >believe that if the impact of the work could be captured in a >purely rational manner it would not need to be expressed by art >at all. > >So with that in mind, I would like to say what Enigma means to me. >First, not only do I prefer MCMXC a.D. to Cross of Changes (which >I nevertheless like quite a bit), but I consider it to be a better >work. (Frankly, I have never heard any other music to match it in >power, although I have come across works in other art forms that >I would consider its equal.) > >My preference for MCMXC a.D. stems in part from a deep empathy with >its subject matter. (I am an evangelical Christian, and generally >consider myself to be a fundamentalist, albeit a rather unorthodox >one.) I have greater difficulty understanding and empathizing with >some of the Cross of Changes themes. For example, I don't really >understand what is being communicated in "Return to Innocence", and >if I understand what "I Love You, I'll Kill You" is about, then it >seems shockingly abrupt to me. Musically, of course, the Cross of >Changes is all very well done (although I wouldn't mind a little >less of that Jens Gad guitar), but being a semi-professional >vocalist myself, I find that lyrics are more important to me than >they otherwise might be. > >Leaving that aside however, I think what makes MCMXC a.D. so >extraordinary is its power as a song *cycle*. If Cross of Changes >is a song cycle, it is a loosely connected one at best. MCMXC a.D., >on the other hand, is a coherent whole. In fact, personally I do >not understand how people can pick and choose individual songs off >MCMXC a.D. and say they like this one or that one the best Sure, >there are some parts of it I like better than others, but for me, >the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Unfortunately, I >have only the two standard U.S. CD s (along with the short Part I >video), so I haven't heard any of the remixes, but for me they >could only be good music evocative of the 'real' experience of >the original cycle. > >For me, MCMXC a.D. immediately confronts sexuality and hedonism >head-on. It unabashedly acknowledges the logical endpoint of a >self-centered world view (as exemplified by the philosophy of >the Marquis de Sade), while simultaneously portraying both the >attraction of hedonism and its guilty emptiness, as expressed >by the juxtaposition of sexual moaning with Gregorian chant. >Neither pop culture with its no-cost view of sex nor contemporary >Christianity with its unwillingness to examine sexuality have >had this boldness. (In fact, the use of Gregorian chant here >also speaks to me of a failure of religion to adequately address >this matter.) > >MCMXC a.D. then evokes the idea of judgement with "The Voice >and the Snake" (alluding to the judgement in the Biblical book >of Revelations) before finally coming around to a recognition >that real meaning in life comes through some other avenue than >hedonism: you must return to "The Rivers of Belief". > >Anyway, that's a nutshell view of (a little of) what I get out >of (or read into) MCMXC a.D. There's an awful lot more in there >than that, of course, and as I tried to explain earlier, I don't >mean to imply at all that Michael Cretu intended MCMXC a.D. to >express that message as I described it. Rather, I suspect I have >glimpsed and wrested into uffish overly-rational thought just >a small portion what went into the work (whether consciously >or subconsciously), by filtering it through my own mind and soul. > >Still, I think what MCMXC a.D. addresses is very similar to the >Biblical book of Ecclesiastes. I recommend that you find a copy >of the King James (Authorized) Version (since it's the most >poetic translation I know of) and read Ecclesiastes all the way >through. Then listen to the MCMXC a.D. CD. Or, do it the other >way around. If you try it, I'd be interested in your reactions. > ><< Brent > > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 00:52:04 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: No Subject To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ehh.. I kinda hate to hear that they are doing only one Concert. It kinda leaves those of us over here in the states left out in the cold. :-/ --Brandon At 08:25 PM 12/10/95 -0500, you wrote: >I don't know ,,,maybe Germany...that would be great...I might even go and see >them since I'm from there.... > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 20:25:15 -0500 From: Sumrnight@aol.com Subject: No Subject To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I don't know ,,,maybe Germany...that would be great...I might even go and see them since I'm from there.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 11:34:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Jacques-Bertrand Pichette (pichette@uniforum.qc.ca)" Subject: Paris (by night) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Regarding your posting: >I have know idea about if there is a concert but I think that if I >could enjoy the sounds of Enigma anywhere in Europe I would have to say >that I would to hear them someplace romantic and enchanting like Rome or >perhaps Paris. > Just try this: It is around 11 pm on a hot summer night. You are in Paris. You sit down at the back of a limo. The chauffeur slip in the Enigma CD (MCX...) in his CR-rom player and drive you across Paris. You listen to the music and discover the lights of Paris during his tour de ville .... That's exactly what happen to my girlfriend this summer on her first visit to Paris. She discover both Paris and Enigma at the same time. Lucky girl. _____________________________________________________________________ Jacques-Bertrand Pichette | Email: | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca ________________________________|____________________________________ This E-mail is printed on 100% recycled electron. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:00:31 -0600 From: mdragon@phoenix.net Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >Hello > >Regarding your posting: > > >>I have know idea about if there is a concert but I think that if I >>could enjoy the sounds of Enigma anywhere in Europe I would have to say >>that I would to hear them someplace romantic and enchanting like Rome or >>perhaps Paris. >> > >Just try this: It is around 11 pm on a hot summer night. You are in Paris. >You sit down at the back of a limo. The chauffeur slip in the Enigma CD >(MCX...) in his CR-rom player and drive you across Paris. You listen to >the music and discover the lights of Paris during his tour de ville .... > >That's exactly what happen to my girlfriend this summer on her first >visit to Paris. She discover both Paris and Enigma at the same time. > >Lucky girl. > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > Jacques-Bertrand Pichette | Email: > | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca >________________________________|____________________________________ > >This E-mail is printed on 100% recycled electron. > > > > Concerning Enigma in Paris: HELLO! Someone please come back down to earth!! It is a grand and romantic idea to have Enigma perform in Paris, but you must face reality: half of us who are stuck here in North America would not be able to make it to the performance. Not all of us are rich or have a thousand dollars lying around to spend on airline tickets or limos or wine.... The performance should not be limited to just one, I believe. Here in the U.S., there is a plethora of places which are equal to Paris's beauty and, if not, surpass it (I have heard that Paris is crowded and trashy. The French people there are rude and obnoxious to anyone who cannot speak their language properly despite the fact that person tries their hardest). What about having it somewhere in a less urban place? Say, somewhere like the forests of Canada, by the Caribbean seas, along the coasts of Maine....(I've mentioned again that hopefully Enigma will not just perform ONE place), the deserts....I don't know. Just somewhere away from hardcore city life...it takes away from the mood.... Leti ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:28:42 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Wow, I only hope that I can have an experience like that someday. At 11:34 AM 12/12/95 -0500, you wrote: > >Hello > >Regarding your posting: > > >>I have know idea about if there is a concert but I think that if I >>could enjoy the sounds of Enigma anywhere in Europe I would have to say >>that I would to hear them someplace romantic and enchanting like Rome or >>perhaps Paris. >> > >Just try this: It is around 11 pm on a hot summer night. You are in Paris. >You sit down at the back of a limo. The chauffeur slip in the Enigma CD >(MCX...) in his CR-rom player and drive you across Paris. You listen to >the music and discover the lights of Paris during his tour de ville .... > >That's exactly what happen to my girlfriend this summer on her first >visit to Paris. She discover both Paris and Enigma at the same time. > >Lucky girl. > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > Jacques-Bertrand Pichette | Email: > | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca >________________________________|____________________________________ > >This E-mail is printed on 100% recycled electron. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:15:22 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I would be amazed if there even is an enigma concert. I really don't think Cretu will go through with it. Cretu appears to be a much more behind the scenes, studio type of person. Personally, I think enigma should go on a world tour. Hopefully within this decade, there will be a 3rd enigma CD which provides more then enough material to choose from to do concerts. However, I think the tour idea is wishful thinking. I really don't know if enigma has enough of a following, at least in the U.S., for a concert tour to be financially successful. Many of the people I know who enjoy electronic music are not real fond of enigma. Mainly they do not like the disco-based drum beats and/or the chanting. Pete Geisheker As an infant, I had very few hobbies. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:33:34 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Woah... we went from Concert Planning, to country smashing.. please guys. I hear that Paris is a beautiful city... City of Romance and Love.. not to mention Art. It would be a good place for the concert. I DO STRONGLY agree however, that Enigma really does need to perform more than JUST one concert, in many diiferent places. I really believe that North America deserves a concert. Perhaps out west, near the Rockies and the Navajos, or in the Canadian Rockies... I do like the idea of having it away from the scene of a city as well..... (wishful thinking) At 02:00 PM 12/12/95 -0600, you wrote: >> >>Hello >> >>Regarding your posting: >> >> >>>I have know idea about if there is a concert but I think that if I >>>could enjoy the sounds of Enigma anywhere in Europe I would have to say >>>that I would to hear them someplace romantic and enchanting like Rome or >>>perhaps Paris. >>> >> >>Just try this: It is around 11 pm on a hot summer night. You are in Paris. >>You sit down at the back of a limo. The chauffeur slip in the Enigma CD >>(MCX...) in his CR-rom player and drive you across Paris. You listen to >>the music and discover the lights of Paris during his tour de ville .... >> >>That's exactly what happen to my girlfriend this summer on her first >>visit to Paris. She discover both Paris and Enigma at the same time. >> >>Lucky girl. >> >> >>_____________________________________________________________________ >> Jacques-Bertrand Pichette | Email: >> | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca >>________________________________|____________________________________ >> >>This E-mail is printed on 100% recycled electron. >> >> >> >> > > Concerning Enigma in Paris: HELLO! Someone please come back down >to earth!! It is a grand and romantic idea to have Enigma perform in Paris, >but you must face reality: half of us who are stuck here in North America >would not be able to make it to the performance. Not all of us are rich or >have a thousand dollars lying around to spend on airline tickets or limos or >wine.... > The performance should not be limited to just one, I believe. Here >in the U.S., there is a plethora of places which are equal to Paris's beauty >and, if not, surpass it (I have heard that Paris is crowded and trashy. The >French people there are rude and obnoxious to anyone who cannot speak their >language properly despite the fact that person tries their hardest). What >about having it somewhere in a less urban place? Say, somewhere like the >forests of Canada, by the Caribbean seas, along the coasts of Maine....(I've >mentioned again that hopefully Enigma will not just perform ONE place), the >deserts....I don't know. Just somewhere away from hardcore city life...it >takes away from the mood.... > > Leti > > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 20:06:31 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all. Someone wrote while dreaming of concerts: > I hear that Paris is a beautiful city... City of Romance and Love.. not to > mention Art. It would be a good place for the concert. I DO STRONGLY agree > however, that Enigma really does need to perform more than JUST one concert, > in many diiferent places. I really believe that North America deserves a > concert. Perhaps out west, near the Rockies and the Navajos, or in the > Canadian Rockies... I do like the idea of having it away from the scene of > a city as well..... (wishful thinking) I think economically it would not be viable to hold a concert only once. Indeed it is a DREAM of Michael's to do that, but I don't think the record company would support such an idea. So what happens if his wish does come true? Sorry my American friends, but you're unlucky to get a visit from him if record sales are to go by. Australia? Well the sales have been great, but it's way too expensive and way too far to come out here (unless of course he uses lots of Australian samples for Enigma III [something I have a gut feeling about!]). So this leaves the UK and Europe. Well I personally think the mainland of Spain or Paris would be where he chose. Germany and London would be back up possibilities. Why these choices? Well sales in all these countries have been good, each of these countries have a great sense of history and national pride (some more than others), and all are relatively nearby to both where he lives (island off Spain) and where his record company/management reside (Germany). These are just my thoughts and none come from Enigma management sources! (thought I better add that!)... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************************************** ** e-mail: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** ** ** ** ENIGMA WWW ** ** (Australiasia): http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html ** ** (United States): http://www.spikes.com/enigma ** *********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:05:15 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Pete, I would be very happy if Cretu would perhaps release an animated virtual reality video showing how he wishes us to view this music. I can just imagine what a virtual reality laserdisc would look like. Just an idea Jamie At 05:15 PM 12/12/95 -0500, you wrote: >I would be amazed if there even is an enigma concert. I really don't >think Cretu will go through with it. Cretu appears to be a much more >behind the scenes, studio type of person. > >Personally, I think enigma should go on a world tour. Hopefully within >this decade, there will be a 3rd enigma CD which provides more then >enough material to choose from to do concerts. However, I think the tour >idea is wishful thinking. I really don't know if enigma has enough of a >following, at least in the U.S., for a concert tour to be financially >successful. Many of the people I know who enjoy electronic music are not >real fond of enigma. Mainly they do not like the disco-based drum beats >and/or the chanting. > >Pete Geisheker >As an infant, I had very few hobbies. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 16:44:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Echols Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au WOW! That would be really nice. Why, even one continuous flowing video for each of the CDs would be really interesting. - Jason On Wed, 13 Dec 1995, Jeffrey, James Denis wrote: > Pete, > I would be very happy if Cretu would perhaps release an animated virtual > reality video showing how he wishes us to view this music. I can just > imagine what a virtual reality laserdisc would look like. Just an idea > Jamie > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 12:49:50 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Paris (by night) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Pete, I would be very happy if Cretu would perhaps release an animated virtual reality video showing how he wishes us to view this music. I can just imagine what a virtual reality laserdisc would look like. Just an idea. Jamie I agree, that would be great! What I seriously think enigma should do, if he decides to out on a concert is to videotape it. Then we could all purchase the concert video and enjoy the experience as much as we wanted. Yes, I know it is not like being there, but if you can't be there it is the next best thing and you can see the concert as often as you like. If anybody has connections with enigma management, this would be a good topic to persue. Peter C. Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:49:07 -0500 From: cowboy1@cowboy1.microserve.com (Dennis Bobo) Subject: Patience my new friends. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Focus yourself to >friendly discussion here if possible. Howdy, All! Yes, the problem IS that there is no new music from Enigma. But if he rushes, God knows what we'll get. I've been reading all the posts, and writing down the names of some of the sound-alike groups or artists that many of you have recommended. I bought CDs from Hilldegarde Von Bingen and somebody. It sucks. Deep Forest is like an Americanized Enigma. That could be good, but it isn't always. But Enya's Watermark is very good. Though here in Pennsylvania we have snow on the ground and very bitter weather conditions right now, I think ahead to hearing Enya around the pool next summer. There's something more to this kind of music. Like it's the next level or some such. The harmonics, the ear pleasing, artificially created notes, mixed with voices that bank on hitting their notes right on the money. So until there is some more of Enigma, I'm gonna go find some more Enya. Merry Christmas to all that believe in that sort of thing, from a factory worker dude from the USA. 'nuff said. the cowboy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:20:55 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Pete Geisheker's tapes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au My synthesizer is fixed and I have been recording so tapes will be mailed either Friday or Saturday of this week. Thanks for the support! Peter C. Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:26:25 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Pete Geisheker's Tapes are done! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yes, I finally finished recording all of my music onto tapes for the people who were interested in hearing my music. The tapes will be mailed tomorrow (Saturday) morning. Each tape consists of 6 songs for about a total of 25 minutes of music. There are 3 songs per side. Side A (the side with the label) contains my 3 new songs. Side B contains 3 of my older songs. The styles on each side are somewhat different. There was a gap of about 4 months between the time I wrote the music on Side A and side B. In that time, my style evolved. Some may like side A more and some may like side B more. Please let me know which side you prefer and which songs you like the least/most. thank you for all of your support. If you haven't ordered a tape from me yet but now want to, please email me privately for details. Peter C. Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:47:16 -0500 (EST) From: root Subject: Response to Leti's comments To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I totality agree with Leti's comments !! About the obsence language used in latest emails. I am practically new to this enigma mailing list, but not new to the spirtualness of Enigma. I have been a big listener and follower of Enigma for many years now. I was beginning to think that other listners did not receive the same affect that enimga sends to me, from the vulgerness that has been used lately. And to people that respond to the emails using the vulgar language, you have complete control over what you use as the subject line and whatever you type in. Let us all please try to keep our thoughts and comments as spirtual and rythmatic as the music that we are susposed to be discussing. Marc J. DePriter jmdeprit@eos.ncsu.edu jmdeprit@eagle.rh.ncsu.edu (Please send to both) http://eagle.rh.ncsu.edu/ (Visit Eagle's Homepage) | | | _ | ______________|_( )_|______________ o +|+ [ ( o ) ] +|+ o *[_]---[_]* It was just before dawn, one miserable morning in black '44, When the forward commander was told to sit tight, When he asked that his men be withdrawn. And the generals gave thanks as the other ranks held, Back the enemy tanks for a while. And the Anzio bridge head was held for the price of a few hundred ordinary lives. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 16:09:29 +-100 From: GA Burghout Subject: running time MCMXC a.d. limited -edition To: "'Enigma Mailing List'" On my CD player : 60:29 My Hfl 0,02 ((: There no business like Enigma business ... :)) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 14:06:01 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Sandra.... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, As you all know, I am an avid fan of Enigma. Both Enigma and Sandra are my favourites and the best for me. I started to appreciate Michael's works since 1985 when the first Sandra's album "The Long Play" was out. Since then, Sandra is my favourite singer and Michael is my favourite composer. Since that time, you can see Michael's composing talent in Sandra's albums. In 1990, Enigma emerged and the same couple (Cretus) are behind it. I become even more a bigger fan of this talented couple. All of us are looking toward the new Enigma III, which will release in Autumn 1996. I know that Sandra is not very popular in US but in Europe she is the music queen, especially in the late 80s. Since the people behind Enigma and Sandra's albums are identical, both of them are one and the same thing for me. The main difference is their type of music. Still you can find a lot of similarities between them such as French singings, Angel's vocal, female breathings, panflute, basslines...etc. For me listening Sandra is like listening Enigma in a way, although one is "Ambient Wave" and the other "Pop". Because of Michael's ingenious talents, Sandra's songs sound very beautiful, particular, strange and unique unlike other pop songs. If I tell you that Sandra's song "The Journey" sounds exactly like Enigma (panflute, bassline, and even a little bit of "Chanting" inside) and it came out in 1990, prior to MCMXC A.D.., will you be surprise??????????? P.S. "The Journey" is composed by Curly M.C. of course!!! Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 09:35:56 -0500 From: GolferDude@aol.com Subject: Sandra Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Is Hubert Kah and Hubert Kemmler the same person?! Saw two answers to the question of who did vocals of some of Sandra's videos: one was Kah, one was Kemmler. The reason I ask is that based on recommendations seen here I was searching for a CD by Hubert Kah, but have been unable to find one. Should I have also been looking under the name Hubert Kemmler? Thanks, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 05:36:33 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Sandra Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, >Is Hubert Kah and Hubert Kemmler the same person?! Saw two answers to the >question of who did vocals of some of Sandra's videos: one was Kah, one was >Kemmler. > I really don't know about that but what I can assured you is, it is Hubert Kemmler who did the back vocals in Sandra'albums together with Michael Cretu. It is written in the booklet of the CDs that "Back vocals: Hubert Kemmler & Michael Cretu". I have never seen the name Hubert Kah in Sandra's CDs. Whether Hubert Kemmler and Hubert Kah are the same person or not, I really don't know. Cheers!!! Merry X-mas to all, Ye Min Than Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:13:18 +0100 From: Sven Puklowski Subject: Sandra Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi ! >Is Hubert Kah and Hubert Kemmler the same person?! Saw two answers to the >question of who did vocals of some of Sandra's videos: one was Kah, one was >Kemmler. Yes Hubert Kah and Hubert Kemmler are the same person :) ! >The reason I ask is that based on recommendations seen here I was searching >for a CD by Hubert Kah, but have been unable to find one. Should I have also >been looking under the name Hubert Kemmler? The old stuff from Hubert Kah was never released on CD. (VERY POOR POLYDOR !!!!) I love the first Hits like Rosemarie and the Greatest Song STERNENHIMMEL !!!! Deutsche Welle was a great Time.. Hubert in Night dress... absolut funny.... The English Stuff was released on CD.... but here in Germany you cant buy this CDs...they are canceld only on Recordshows you can find some Maxis (12inches ) and old CDs On the last Recordshow I found the American Remix and the Extended Version from Limousine. HAPPY Tschuess Sven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:42:50 -0800 From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos) Subject: Thanx Ye Min Than To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >That background vocal singer is "Hubert Kemmler". He used to compose some >songs for Sandra together with Michael Cretu. Especially, in the Sandra's >album called "Into a Secret Land", Kemmler sings and composes also...After >that album, he disappeared. > >Ye Min Than Thanks for answering YE I thought it would be him but just don't look like any of the guys on the cover of Hubert Kah's albuns. But if you say so, I believe you. I've been reading all your postings on the enigma listing and I enjoy them a lot. Keep it up. Severo From L.A. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 10:38:41 +0100 From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than) Subject: Thanx Ye Min Than To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Thanks for answering YE >I thought it would be him but just don't look like any of the guys on the cover >of Hubert Kah's albuns. >But if you say so, I believe you. >I've been reading all your postings on the enigma listing and I enjoy them >a lot. >Keep it up. >Severo From L.A. > > Hi You're welcome my friend. I knew this because I have all the collections of Sandra's albums. And Hubert Kemmler's name appeared in Sandra's first three albums. He was the main back vocalist of Sandra and even composed some songs together with Michael Cretu. During Sandra's concerts and tour, Kemmler was also there on the stage with Sandra. He is the one who appeared in Sandra's early video too as you have mentioned...... Ye Min Than Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", the classic of our times...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 08:37:34 -0800 From: a-larsg@microsoft.com Subject: Trivia question-The Moment Of Truth To: The scene where the man is swinging his scythe in the wheat fields! Is that right? If so what did I win. Regards, ~Lars ____________________ From: Christian Saborio To: enigma enigma Subject: Trivia question OK, you think you know everything about Enigma, well tell me which is the only scene that is not going backwards in the Return To Innocence video? sabor@ksu.ksu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 01:50:26 -0500 From: yakko@sentex.net Subject: Videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In my opinion, Michael should not do a video at all. A composer has a picture in his head of his music. Every listener views each musical piece with their imaginations, stemming from their life experiences and such. To force one solid view, mainly the composer's or director's, onto the listener is to say "here, this is what this song means, take it and like it". Most of the musical videos I have seen don't have anything to do with the song whatsoever and do more harm than good. And although the "Return to Innocence" video was quite good, in my mind I had a different picture. Krisztian Czene a.k.a. Yakko Warner e-mail; yakko@sentex.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 04:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: Olivaw Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On a related note... Hi! I was wondering if anyone had a complete collection of the Enigma music videos that they could copy for me (i.e. the ones played on MTV, etc.; I don't have access to them), or let me borrow, whatever. I love Enigma, and would really like to see them! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:39:23 -0500 From: Sumrnight@aol.com Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I only have one music Video...Enigma...(part1)...I would like more too ...if anyone has any.....I might make you a copy if I get it it...where is the best place to make a copy? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 08:22:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jason Echols Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > is to say "here, this is what this song means, take it and like it". Most of Well, while I think you have a point there, I must disagree. I think that a video helps us see what the composer was thinking. It does not replace what I see in my mind, is is more like another idea that helps me understand the music more and expand my horizons. Just what I think. - Jason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:21:54 GMT From: tba Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have MCMXC ad on video and am desperate for more videos. I think they relate the music brilliantly into images. Although I enjoy the video when I am listening to the CD I only see what I want to see and what the music encourages my senses to see. I dont picture the video. If you havent seen the video you are missing out on yet another master piece by Cretu and the gang. ON ANOTHER NOTE Really looking forward to the album, my bank balance will deminish somewhat around that time buying up everything to do with the new release. The availability here in England isnt bad for Enigma. I hope it stays that way. I hope with all my heart that Creut decides to definately do a concert. Anywhere on the planet and I'll be there, as I'm sure everyone else will be. Love you all lots STEVE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:15:50 -0500 From: Sumrnight@aol.com Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au oh just get off it....you don't know what a good video is...make one yourself if your so smart...I just can't stand people that know everything better....I think Enigmas Vidoe's are great...it leaves alot to the imagination...maybe you don't have one...why don't you try some American Junk...there is lots of it... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 15:06:48 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Dear Animaniac, I just thought that it would be a neat idea but your point is well taken. After all it is what the music means to us and the images that we reminiss(spelled wrong) over that makes some music our favorites and some we can't stand. As many of us have stated Enigma creates a, how should I state this, a warm fuzzy perhaps when we here it. I did not intend to try to dominate the views it is just that I love animation and would love to perhaps make my own computer graphics storyline using the music of Enigma as my soundtrack. Until I can acheive this I will more than gladly settle for the greatest and most personal stories to date which have been created by my own imagination. At 01:50 AM 12/14/95 -0500, you wrote: > In my opinion, Michael should not do a video at all. A composer has >a picture in his head of his music. Every listener views each musical piece >with their imaginations, stemming from their life experiences and such. To >force one solid view, mainly the composer's or director's, onto the listener >is to say "here, this is what this song means, take it and like it". Most of >the musical videos I have seen don't have anything to do with the song >whatsoever and do more harm than good. And although the "Return to >Innocence" video was quite good, in my mind I had a different picture. > > Krisztian Czene a.k.a. Yakko Warner >e-mail; yakko@sentex.net > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:09:40 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Amen. I believe that videos detract form a musical work about nine times out of ten. --Brandon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:28:55 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'll agree that both the majority of Music and the videos that accompany them coming out of America right now are TOTAL CRAP !!.. At 03:15 PM 12/14/95 -0500, you wrote: >oh just get off it....you don't know what a good video is...make one yourself >if your so smart...I just can't stand people that know everything better....I >think Enigmas Vidoe's are great...it leaves alot to the imagination...maybe >you don't have one...why don't you try some American Junk...there is lots of >it... > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:51:15 -0500 From: Sumrnight@aol.com Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au God Bless you.....................Enigma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:33:21 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: Videos To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Brandon Rhymes wrote: > Amen. I believe that videos detract form a musical work about nine times > out of ten. > > --Brandon The type of video I am talking about is a video of the "proposed" enigma concert. I would love to have the concert on video like I have Pink Floyd and Sade. I'm not talking about MTV videos. I, like most of the people on this list, think that videos really cheapen the music. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 15:16:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Jacques-Bertrand Pichette (pichette@uniforum.qc.ca)" Subject: Voir Paris et mourir ( Was: Paris by night ) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Leti Regarding your last posting: > Concerning Enigma in Paris: HELLO! Someone please come back >down to earth!! It is a grand and romantic idea to have Enigma perform in >Paris,but you must face reality: half of us who are stuck here in North >America would not be able to make it to the performance. Not all of us >are rich or have a thousand dollars lying around to spend on airline >tickets or limos orwine.... The performance should not be limited >to just one, I believe. Herein the U.S., there is a plethora of places >which are equal to Paris's beautyand, if not, surpass it (I have heard >that Paris is crowded and trashy. The French people there are rude and >obnoxious to anyone who cannot speak their language properly despite the >fact that person tries their hardest). What about having it somewhere in >a less urban place? Say, somewhere like the forests of Canada, by the >Caribbean seas, along the coasts of Maine....(I'vementioned again that >hopefully Enigma will not just perform ONE place), the deserts....I don't >know. Just somewhere away from hardcore city life...it takes away from >the mood.... > My Mom live in Chicago, she used to live in Texas My Dad live in Florida I live in Montreal (Quebec) and I spend my spare time both in New York City and in Paris. Paris is no more crowdy or trashy than New York or Chicago or Houston. I both love New York and Paris. I love both North America and Europe. I choose to live in Montreal because you can find here the best of both Europe and North America (french culture and american civilisation). People from France are not worst (or better) than people from the State. They are just different. I was lucky this summer. I enjoyed the *BIG* Jean-Michel Jarre' show on the Champ de Mars ( near the Eiffel Tower ) with the laser and the firework. I don't give a d... where the Enigma show will be perform. I prefer in North America because the airfare are cheaper for me. But, if it take place in Paris or at Caracalla (near Roma, nice Roman site), I will try to get a pair of ticket. Bye now and have a nice day _____________________________________________________________________ Jacques-Bertrand Pichette | Email: | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca ________________________________|____________________________________ This E-mail is printed on 100% recycled electron. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 23:09:50 -0600 From: mdragon@phoenix.net Subject: Voir Paris et mourir ( Was: Paris by night ) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >HELLO AGAIN! LISTEN TO ME ONE MORE TIME, IF YOU WILL! I DID NOT MEAN PARIS IN PARTICULAR!!! I MEANT IN GENERAL ALL CITIES BUT SINCE PARIS WAS MENTIONED I USED IT AS AN EXAMPLE! REGARDLESS OF THE NATIONALITY!.....SO QUIT TRYING TO PLAY THE HOLIER-THAN-THOU BIT, EH? > LETI >Hello Leti > >Regarding your last posting: > >> Concerning Enigma in Paris: HELLO! Someone please come back >>down to earth!! It is a grand and romantic idea to have Enigma perform in >>Paris,but you must face reality: half of us who are stuck here in North >>America would not be able to make it to the performance. Not all of us >>are rich or have a thousand dollars lying around to spend on airline >>tickets or limos orwine.... The performance should not be limited >>to just one, I believe. Herein the U.S., there is a plethora of places >>which are equal to Paris's beautyand, if not, surpass it (I have heard >>that Paris is crowded and trashy. The French people there are rude and >>obnoxious to anyone who cannot speak their language properly despite the >>fact that person tries their hardest). What about having it somewhere in >>a less urban place? Say, somewhere like the forests of Canada, by the >>Caribbean seas, along the coasts of Maine....(I'vementioned again that >>hopefully Enigma will not just perform ONE place), the deserts....I don't >>know. Just somewhere away from hardcore city life...it takes away from >>the mood.... >> > >My Mom live in Chicago, she used to live in Texas >My Dad live in Florida > >I live in Montreal (Quebec) and I spend my spare time both in New York >City and in Paris. > >Paris is no more crowdy or trashy than New York or Chicago or Houston. > >I both love New York and Paris. I love both North America and Europe. >I choose to live in Montreal because you can find here the best of both >Europe and North America (french culture and american civilisation). > >People from France are not worst (or better) than people from the State. >They are just different. > > >I was lucky this summer. I enjoyed the *BIG* Jean-Michel Jarre' show on >the Champ de Mars ( near the Eiffel Tower ) with the laser and the firework. > >I don't give a d... where the Enigma show will be perform. I prefer in >North America because the airfare are cheaper for me. But, if it take >place in Paris or at Caracalla (near Roma, nice Roman site), I will try to >get a pair of ticket. > > >Bye now and have a nice day > > >_____________________________________________________________________ > Jacques-Bertrand Pichette | Email: > | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca >________________________________|____________________________________ > >This E-mail is printed on 100% recycled electron. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:30:52 -0500 From: Jerry Smith Subject: What I did today.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Enigmites, Today with nothing better to do, I listened to all of my Enigma and Sandra collection. I hope you don't say, well he had nothing better to do. I really enjoy the music. I love the voice of Sandra on the albums. Some of the songs bring back sweet memories, some I just enjoy. The fondess memory is of a lady, who had the Uma Thurmon look from Pulp Fiction, and that was a few years ago. I wonder what shes doing now. Well, I think we should all kick back once in a while and do as the voice of Enigma tells us: Turn out the lights, Take a deep Breath and Relax. Jerry Smith jfsmith@ee.net and jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us The Internet is a passing fad, just like Cable T.V. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:43:30 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: What I did today.... To: "'Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAC3BF.4E8DDDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This sounds almost normal to me.. :-/... Perhaps I never have anything to do.. :-)...or perhaps I do and just don't. --Brandon ---------- From: Jerry Smith[SMTP:jfsmith@ee.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 1995 3:30 PM To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: What I did today.... Enigmites, Today with nothing better to do, I listened to all of my Enigma and Sandra collection. I hope you don't say, well he had nothing better to do. I really enjoy the music. I love the voice of Sandra on the albums. Some of the songs bring back sweet memories, some I just enjoy. The fondess memory is of a lady, who had the Uma Thurmon look from Pulp Fiction, and that was a few years ago. I wonder what shes doing now. Well, I think we should all kick back once in a while and do as the voice of Enigma tells us: Turn out the lights, Take a deep Breath and Relax. 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I'm sure Catt wouldn't doubt me asking those huh? ;) |\ | |\/\/\/| ---\ | \ | | | //-__cd_/ /\( | \|eil Cutler | | ))( )___)__ | (o)(o) ||// | / email:ncutler@duncan.island.net C _)| |\ | IRC Handle: LienKlaw (Lien=Neil) | ,____| equestrian fan & rider Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself! | / Mia,"Maybe if I yawn long "enough, he'll stop trying "Life's no fair, but that's not gonna stop me" "to put this thing in my "mouth." "If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:56:36 -0600 (CST) From: Christian Saborio Subject: your mail To: enigma enigma On -1 xxx -1, it was written: > The scene where the man is swinging his scythe in the wheat fields! Is that > right? If so what did I win. > > Regards, ~Lars > ____________________ > From: Christian Saborio > To: enigma enigma > Subject: Trivia question > > OK, you think you know everything about Enigma, well tell me which is the > only scene that is not going backwards in the Return To Innocence video? > > sabor@ksu.ksu.edu ______________________________________________________________________________ Nope, that is not it! Guess again. sabor@ksu.ksu.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:55:14 -0500 (CDT) From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Mon, 11 Dec 1995 yakko@sentex.net wrote: > James, > > I write music and many people have said it sounds good. Now here's > the catch: I can neither play an instrument nor I have had any training in > music. I write with my ears and mind and heart and I need nothing else. In > response to what you said in you letter, it is the most beautiful thing when > you write or listen to music with your ears and emotions. Sure, you can > equate(?) music to being just sound waves and pulses and oscilations, but > there is no beauty in science; there is only beauty in nature and emotion. > > > Krisztian Czene a.k.a. Yakko Warner > > I strongly disagree about there being no beauty in science. Besides being a composer for 13 years, I am also a college student with a double major in Biology and Psychology. Trust me, science is beautiful. Pete Geisheker ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 15:55:08 -0800 (PST) From: Dinh Le Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, wrote: > I had read here a while ago about a possible Enigma concert sometime > int he future somewhere in Europe. Since I'm a little bored of the > current conversation (no offence to anyone) I thought I'd bring this > up again. Where does everyone think it will be, or where would you > like it to be? > > Andrew > Hell wouldn't we all want it to be in our country so we can go? What kind of question is that? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 21:59:01 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au My words fall unheard on deaf ears. In a silent room.. far away... --ABR At 03:55 PM 12/11/95 -0800, you wrote: >On Sun, 10 Dec 1995, wrote: > >> I had read here a while ago about a possible Enigma concert sometime >> int he future somewhere in Europe. Since I'm a little bored of the >> current conversation (no offence to anyone) I thought I'd bring this >> up again. Where does everyone think it will be, or where would you >> like it to be? >> >> Andrew >> >Hell wouldn't we all want it to be in our country so we can go? What kind >of question is that? > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:02:42 -0500 From: Sumrnight@aol.com Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au maybe we should ask the Enigma Promoters..to bring them to this county for a tour.... everything is possible....we all should write to them...and tell them how much Enigma is loved in this country...what do you all think? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:26:41 -0500 From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 10:02 AM 12/12/95 -0500, you wrote: >maybe we should ask the Enigma Promoters..to bring them to this county for a >tour.... >everything is possible....we all should write to them...and tell them how >much Enigma is loved in this country...what do you all think? > >I agree, where in the U.S. would we all like to see Enigma. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:18:56 -0800 From: jakbar@mbay.net Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >maybe we should ask the Enigma Promoters..to bring them to this county for a >tour.... >everything is possible....we all should write to them...and tell them how >much Enigma is loved in this country...what do you all think? > > I would love to see enigma on tour... if you decide to write to them, let me know the address and I shall write too. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:23:57 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Give me that address.. I'll do it. :-) --Brandon At 10:02 AM 12/12/95 -0500, you wrote: >maybe we should ask the Enigma Promoters..to bring them to this county for a >tour.... >everything is possible....we all should write to them...and tell them how >much Enigma is loved in this country...what do you all think? > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:37:12 -0600 From: Brandon Rhymes Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Ohh. boy, that is tough. Logistically I would be inlcined to say Kansas because it equidistant from all extremes of the US.. but who wants to go to Kansas ?? :-) (jj). Perhaps Nashville.... no, wouldn't want to confuse it with COUNTRY music (if you can call it that :-) ).. I'd say Austin, but I think I'd get hit for that one. :-) Perhaps California, Florida, or New York ?? I really don't see anywhere on THIS world that would be good for an Enigma concert, if you know what I mean, but we ought to think of somewhere very heavenly. --Brandon At 04:26 PM 12/12/95 -0500, you wrote: >At 10:02 AM 12/12/95 -0500, you wrote: >>maybe we should ask the Enigma Promoters..to bring them to this county for a >>tour.... >>everything is possible....we all should write to them...and tell them how >>much Enigma is loved in this country...what do you all think? >> >>I agree, where in the U.S. would we all like to see Enigma. > > ************************************* * Brandon Rhymes * * Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu * * The Universtiy of Texas at Austin * ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 95 09:36:11 EST From: fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM (Carl C. Fogelin) Subject: your mail To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Ohh. boy, that is tough. Logistically I would be inlcined to say Kansas >because it equidistant from all extremes of the US.. but who wants to go to >Kansas ?? :-) (jj). Perhaps Nashville.... no, wouldn't want to confuse it >with COUNTRY music (if you can call it that :-) ).. I'd say Austin, but I >think I'd get hit for that one. :-) Perhaps California, Florida, or New >York ?? I really don't see anywhere on THIS world that would be good for an >Enigma concert, if you know what I mean, but we ought to think of somewhere >very heavenly. A few years ago the Paul Winter Consort did a concert at the Grand Canyon. The sounds were quite lush and I could imagine Enigma having equal success there too. However, I suspect that Michael really doesn't want to do a concert--this sounds like a promoters idea. If the group does do a concert, I wouldn't be surprised if it was in Spain, considering Michael's ties there. Carl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Fogelin (fogelinc@pt.cyanamid.com) "All opinions are strictly mine" Computer pioneer Seymour Cray, described the characteristics of Virtual Memory Operating Systems as follows: Memory is like an orgasm. It's a lot better if you don't have to fake it. ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************