Enigma Digest                 February 1996      Volume  3 : Issue   2  

                                (2 msgs)
                            "Seven" (4 msgs)
                       "Seven" & Enigma (11 msgs)
                             (fwd) (2 msgs)
                  *****Hubert and Sandra***** (2 msgs)
                         ***Sandra*** (2 msgs)
                *The Magic of Peter Geisheker* (2 msgs)
                    :)Re-Capture EML 1995:) (4 msgs)
                            <none> (5 msgs)
                  [Fwd: Deep Forest and Strange Days]
                   About the comment on latin words..
                        ambient groups (4 msgs)
                 ambient groups (New CD by Baka Beyond)
                 Another lawsuit for Enigma? (11 msgs)
                             Another Newbie
                             Another one!!!
                    Any Forthcoming Sandra Albums??
                   a question, and a comment (3 msgs)
                        Art of Noise??? (9 msgs)
                  AW: Any Forthcoming Sandra Albums??
                        AW: AW: Sandra (4 msgs)
                               AW: Hello
                         AW: Label??? (2 msgs)
                          AW: Sandra (4 msgs)
                     AW: Sandra's biography book!!!
                     B-Tribe on Primetime (2 msgs)
                           Biosphere (2 msgs)
                                CD Guide
                                CD shops
                           CD single (2 msgs)
                       Cirque du Soleil (6 msgs)
                        Cirque du Soleil (FAQ) 
                            Cretu and Theirs
                        David Fairstein (2 msgs)
                        Dead Can Dance (3 msgs)
                     Dead Can Dance Vocals (2 msgs)
                 Deep Forest and Strange Days (2 msgs)
                    Different versions.... (3 msgs)
                  Does anyone need lyrics of Enigma2?
                            Enigma (4 msgs)
                         Enigma-digest V1 #283
                       Enigma-digest V1 #283xiHi
                     Enigma-digest V1 #294 (2 msgs)
                         Enigma-digest V1 #297
                     Enigma-digest V1 #302 (2 msgs)
                         Enigma-digest V1 #303
                       Enigma and Deep Forest...
                             Enigma FAQ ?!
                        Enigma music in Germany.
                    Enigma or Enigma-like ? (5 msgs)
                                  Enya
                       Everlasting Love (3 msgs)
             Forwarded mail... (I Love You.. I'll Kill You)
                               Greetings!
                      Gregorian... where? (5 msgs)
                  Gregorian:Sadisfaction mail order???
                             Hello (4 msgs)
                                Hello...
                             Hello again !
               Here's one I discovered by myself (4 msgs)
               Interview with Enigma and Sandra's manager
         Interview with Enigma and Sandra's manager (finally!)
               Interview with Michael Cretu..... (3 msgs)
                             Intro (4 msgs)
                          Intro (fwd) (2 msgs)
                         Introducing myself....
                              introduction
                        Introduction + question
                 Introduction to the Enigma mailinglist
                           Label??? (2 msgs)
                          Lawsuit For Sampling
                            limited edition
                       Limited Editions (3 msgs)
                        Louisa Stanley (2 msgs)
                       Lyrics of CROSS Of Changes
                                Maria M.
                            Marquis de Sade
                               MCMXC a.D.
                       MCMXC a.D. Limited Edition
                                MCMXC aD
                      Michael's favourite (2 msgs)
              Michael Cretu's name pronounciation (3 msgs)
                    My homework (again !!) (2 msgs)
                                New guy
                                New mem.
               New Sarah brightman album : "Fly" (3 msgs)
                             New Subscriber
                           New to Enigma List
                         Outer Limits (2 msgs)
                     Re : Time to introduce myself
                       Re[1]: Michael's favourite
                       return to innocence video
                            Russian singers
                                Sadeness
                            Sandra (14 msgs)
                        Sandra's album (5 msgs)
                       Sandra's biography book!!!
                         Sandra Music (2 msgs)
                      Sandra music (fwd) (4 msgs)
                            Sandra vs Enigma
               Save the Rain Forest Music Video (2 msgs)
                               Seven Seal
                          Seven Seals (5 msgs)
                          Shadows over my head
                            SLIVER? (5 msgs)
                       Speaking of soundtracks...
                               Stir it Up
             Supermodels In The Rainforest CD-ROM (2 msgs)
                         The Art of Noise's www
                          The Gregorian chants
                   Time to introduce myself. (7 msgs)
                       Two Questions... (5 msgs)
                                 Videos
                         Videos Part I (5 msgs)
                       Welcome to enigma (4 msgs)
                        Welcome to enigma-digest
                      Who is Ye Min Than? (4 msgs)
              ~~:)HAPPY LEAP YEAR ENIGMITES!:)~~ (2 msgs)
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 07:02 PST
From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler)
Subject: 
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Recently a friend of mine Ye Min (maybe you know him?)

Ye Min huh? From this list? No don't know him ;) (sarcastic)

>As for interesting information I am co-writing an essay on
>education reform in the U.S. from a students stand point a very ambitous
>undertaking.  It's turning into a book.

Oh, hay another National Ampunes Senior Vacation maybe? j/k :)

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Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself!          Mia,"Oh no, Xmas is over and
http://www.island.net/~ncutler/                    "he's putting that thing
                                                   "in my mouth again"
"NO! not back to school again!"

"Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore..."

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:32:00 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: 
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I thought that Ye Min was a female... sorry.

At 07:02 AM 2/9/96 PST, you wrote:
>>Recently a friend of mine Ye Min (maybe you know him?)
>
>Ye Min huh? From this list? No don't know him ;) (sarcastic)
>
>>As for interesting information I am co-writing an essay on
>>education reform in the U.S. from a students stand point a very ambitous
>>undertaking.  It's turning into a book.
>
>Oh, hay another National Ampunes Senior Vacation maybe? j/k :)
>
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>IRC Handle: LienKlaw                             equestrian fan & rider
>Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself!          Mia,"Oh no, Xmas is over and
>http://www.island.net/~ncutler/                    "he's putting that thing
>                                                   "in my mouth again"
>"NO! not back to school again!"
>
>"Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore..."
>
>
>	

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:54:53 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: "Seven"
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Jamie and all others,


The lyrics in the song "Rivers of Belief" says....

"Take me back to the Rivers of Belief......take me back to the Rivers of
Belief my friend......I look inside my heart, I look inside my soul....I
promise you, I'll return...............
And when the lamb opened the Seven Seals, silence covered the sky......"

According to you my friend, what does these "Seven Seals" means??? It's from
the Book of Revelation, right???

Now, Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Seals are the one and the same???

Just a thought...

Ye Min Than

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Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 19:31:15 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: "Seven"
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Hi Jamie and all others,
>The lyrics in the song "Rivers of Belief" says....
>"Take me back to the Rivers of Belief......take me back to the Rivers of
>Belief my friend......I look inside my heart, I look inside my soul....I
>promise you, I'll return...............
>And when the lamb opened the Seven Seals, silence covered the sky......"
>According to you my friend, what does these "Seven Seals" means??? It's from
>the Book of Revelation, right???
>Now, Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Seals are the one and the same???
>Just a thought...
>Ye Min Than

You are right Ye Min.  It is from Revelation.  I studied the Seven Seals
some time ago.  Right now I can't for the life of me remeber what they mean.
I'll look it up for you though and have the answer by the end of the week.

Nilay


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
    
                   Old musicians never die,
                   they just get played out

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:43:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: HUDSON ELIZABETH ANNE <HUDSONEA@dlu.edu>
Subject: "Seven"
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

the seven seals are about the destruction of the earth when the end comes.
there are seven different creatures that come when each seal is opened.
one will destroy part of the oceans and rivers and lakes, one a part of 
all the grass and such, one will kill all who do not have the seal of
a Christian on their foreheads, etc....
jude

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 05:18:06 -0500 (EST)
From: cplusplus <aleigh@tessier.com>
Subject: "Seven"
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, nilay wrote:
> You are right Ye Min.  It is from Revelation.  I studied the Seven Seals
> some time ago.  Right now I can't for the life of me remeber what they mean.
> I'll look it up for you though and have the answer by the end of the week.
> 

The seven seals are seven (presumably) wax seals that are broken in 
sequence to start dooms day - Each seal has a significance, such has air, 
water, ect. Ie, when the sea seal is broken, the seas will boil. I don't 
remember much more offhand, and such `black' thinking has been removed 
from the modern bible, but you can read the full book of revelations if 
you find an apochrapha<sp>.

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:04:34 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,

I agree with some people here that Enigma music should not have been used on
cheap movies. Because they simply don't fit with the music of Enigma....

Now, I just saw the movie "Seven" and I love it enormously!!! This is the
kind of movie where Enigma music should be on. I assume that some of you
have seen that movie. I saw strong relations between the movie "Seven" and
"MCMXC a.D.". I personally think that the album "MCMXC a.D." would fit like
a glove for the soundtrack of "Seven". The fact is the story of "Seven" and
the meaning of "MCMXC a.D." are very much alike. There are strong ties I
think. Moreover, the movie is a mysterious, dark psycho thriller. Those who
have seen the movie will surely understand my point. Too bad the movie
didn't use Enigma music as its soundtrack.....It'll have been exquiste if
they were bined together......

Please forgive me for straying away from the subject.....

Ye Min Than

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Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

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Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:41:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Dinh Le <dzle@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Ye Min Than wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I agree with some people here that Enigma music should not have been used on
> cheap movies. Because they simply don't fit with the music of Enigma....
> 
> Now, I just saw the movie "Seven" and I love it enormously!!! This is the
> kind of movie where Enigma music should be on. I assume that some of you
> have seen that movie. I saw strong relations between the movie "Seven" and
> "MCMXC a.D.". I personally think that the album "MCMXC a.D." would fit like
> a glove for the soundtrack of "Seven". The fact is the story of "Seven" and
> the meaning of "MCMXC a.D." are very much alike. There are strong ties I
> think. Moreover, the movie is a mysterious, dark psycho thriller. Those who
> have seen the movie will surely understand my point. Too bad the movie
> didn't use Enigma music as its soundtrack.....It'll have been exquiste if
> they were bined together......
> 
> Please forgive me for straying away from the subject.....
> 
> Ye Min Than

I totally agree.  Hell I think  Enigma III should tackle an issue like 
the 7 deadly sins. Wouldn't that be great.  It would have the same feel 
of the first album with all the religious ties but also be dark.  I was 
thinking all through the movie that wow Sadeness would fit in great right 
here.


Dinh LE

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:01:13 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi! Ye Min Than wrote:
 
> Now, I just saw the movie "Seven" and I love it enormously!!! This is the

  Couldn't agree more, Seven is a great movie and recommended for all of
you to see. I think the use of music in the film was exceptional,
notably in the opening credits (a special remix of Closer to God by Nine
Inch Nails) and the credits (Heart's Filthy Lesson by David Bowie)....

> think. Moreover, the movie is a mysterious, dark psycho thriller. Those who

  Mystery would be the biggest link between Enigma and Seven. And I'm
sure Cretu could come up with a darker, more gothic sound for it. But
have you also thought of Graeme Revell? He did a WONDERFUL score to The
Crow (yes THAT film where Lee dies in real life) which was dark and
brooding and damn effective....

> have seen the movie will surely understand my point. Too bad the movie
> didn't use Enigma music as its soundtrack.....It'll have been exquiste if
> they were bined together......

  I don't know if this necessarily rings true though.... Enigma II had
more emphasis on vocals than MCMXC a.D. - do you think Michael wishes to
go back to a primarily instrumental level???? And don't forget that
there's plenty of other 'gothic' artists out there, both known and
unknown (eg Dead Can Dance, Delerium).

> Please forgive me for straying away from the subject.....

  It wasn't off topic... I hope I provided some food for thought!


Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 08:00:26 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Gavin and all others,


Well, I think the link between "Seven" and "MCMXC a.D." is just more than
mystery. Both have the aspects of religion and belief. The movie "Seven" is
mainly based on the 7 Deadly Sins which are "Lust", "Sloth", "Pride",
"Envy", "Greed", "Gluttony", "Revenge"(I hope they are all correct:) and the
story was about the punishment of the sinners of those 7 Deadly Sins. This
is what makes "Seven" so dark and mysterious but also scary. The movie has a
strong relations towards religion like "MCMXC a.D.".

Now, "MCMXC a.D." is also trying to send the message by using Marquis de
Sade as its metaphor. Marquis de Sade was a heretic, atheist who believed in
pleasure with pain and suffering. The theme of "MCMXC a.D" is much against
the belief of Marquis de Sade who was, in a way, "Evil" in himself. This is
obvious by looking at the meaning of "Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa". Moreover,
look at "Voice & Snake" and "Back to Rivers of Belief", both were taken from
the Book of Revelation!!! The message, I think, is to "return back to belief
and religion". 

I think this is the real ties between the two. I can't see a movie where
"MCMXC a.D." would fit better than with "Seven". Especially, the songs like
"Mea Culpa", "Principles of Lust", "Sadeness", "Knocking in Forbidden
Doors", "Back to the Rivers of Belief".....etc. They would fit very well
with characters and story of "Seven" that what I meant.....Of course there
are a number of "Gothic" singers and groups around but well, who can match
Michael Cretu's music??? None that I could see.......

That's why while I was watching "Seven", a thought occured my mind that
it'll be great if the two were combined together. Well again this is just my
wishful thinking, nothing serious. Nevertheless, the movie "Seven" is a
first-rate thriller and very much worth watching.........

Take care all

Ye Min Than

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Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 17:40:55 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>  I don't know if this necessarily rings true though.... Enigma II had
>more emphasis on vocals than MCMXC a.D. - do you think Michael wishes to
>go back to a primarily instrumental level???? And don't forget that
>there's plenty of other 'gothic' artists out there, both known and
>unknown (eg Dead Can Dance, Delerium).
>
>> Please forgive me for straying away from the subject.....
>
>  It wasn't off topic... I hope I provided some food for thought!
>
god.. I hope he goes back to instrumentals..	

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1996 17:08:45 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello Ye Min Than,

At 08:00 22/11/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Now, "MCMXC a.D." is also trying to send the message by using Marquis de
>Sade as its metaphor. Marquis de Sade was a heretic, atheist who believed in
>pleasure with pain and suffering. The theme of "MCMXC a.D" is much against
>the belief of Marquis de Sade who was, in a way, "Evil" in himself. This is
>obvious by looking at the meaning of "Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa". Moreover,
>look at "Voice & Snake" and "Back to Rivers of Belief", both were taken from
>the Book of Revelation!!! The message, I think, is to "return back to belief
>and religion". 

When Sadeness was a hit, most of the European dj's pronounced Sadeness as
sadness ...
So I asked my father (a teacher English) how it could be that the word was
mispelled on the cd and all the magazines and chartlists ? ;-)) 
He knew something from his earlier history lessons about Marquis de Sade. I
looked it up in a encyclopedia and found that Marquis de Sade has something
to do with sadomasochisme ...

So now, I know who Sade is, but can you tell me what Sadeness exactly means
? Is it something like "against Sade" ?


Greetings,

Gianni

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 13:22:15 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Gianni,

>So now, I know who Sade is, but can you tell me what Sadeness exactly means
>? Is it something like "against Sade" ?
>
On the album it's written "Sadeness" but on the single is "Sadness". The
reason for this I do not know. Maybe the Virgin Records wanted to avoid
controversy. Nevertheless, that song refers to Marquis de Sade. "Sadeness"
means "being like Sade" or "about Sade", I guess.

Yes the song "Sadeness" and the overall meaning of "MCMXC a.D." is against
Marquis de Sade and his beliefs......

Hope this helps.....

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:23:54 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

A literal translation of the lyrics to Sadeness were posted about a week ago.  If you still desire to have them sent you, please let me know.  Otherwise, I'd just like to say that a literal translation leaves much to be desired, because I still don't know exaclty what Michael Cretu is trying to say with those lyrics. To me, it seems ambiguous.

--Brandon

Koko, Please try to offer support for your argument.

>>Now, "MCMXC a.D." is also trying to send the message by using Marquis de
>>Sade as its metaphor. Marquis de Sade was a heretic, atheist who believed in
>>pleasure with pain and suffering. The theme of "MCMXC a.D" is much against
>>the belief of Marquis de Sade who was, in a way, "Evil" in himself. This is
>>obvious by looking at the meaning of "Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa". Moreover,
>>look at "Voice & Snake" and "Back to Rivers of Belief", both were taken from
>>the Book of Revelation!!! The message, I think, is to "return back to belief
>>and religion". 
	

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:46:56 -0500
From: "Jeffrey, James Denis" <j-jeffrey@onu.edu>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

 I just saw the movie "Seven"  I saw strong relations between the movie
"Seven" and
>"MCMXC a.D.". I personally think that the album "MCMXC a.D." would fit like
>a glove for the soundtrack of "Seven". The fact is the story of "Seven" and
>the meaning of "MCMXC a.D." are very much alike. There are strong ties I
>think.

Ye Min,
I saw the movie and I enjoyed it. Explain the ties between the two please. I
think that the movie was too dark for Enigma to have done the soundtrack but
I did enjoy the NIN remix "Closer to God" at the beginning.
Jamie 

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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 22:39:52 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Ye Min Than,

At 13:22 23/11/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Yes the song "Sadeness" and the overall meaning of "MCMXC a.D." is against
>Marquis de Sade and his beliefs......

Just an idea ... It could be interesting to read about Marquis de Sade and
his works to understand MCMXC a.D. ? 

Did anybody in this mailing list read about Marquis de Sade ? I believe the
man wrote a book called Justine ...

Greetings, Gianni

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:36:15 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: "Seven" & Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Gianna. You asked:
 
> Did anybody in this mailing list read about Marquis de Sade ? I believe the
> man wrote a book called Justine ...

  Yes, and everything I found is summarised in the FAQ - go and have
a look and see what you think!


Regards,
Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 00:01:03 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: (fwd)
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:02:09 -0600
From: Stephen Buck <sb7421@acs.brockport.edu>
To: owner-enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: Re: 

> Hey does anyone know where I can find SANDRA albums in the US?  I have
> searched ALL over and I can't find anything.  I'm in Boston< Mass if that
> helps.

Have you tried Mystery Train I/II, Disc Diggers, Second Coming Records...or any like 
that.  Tower may have them, but I'd expect to find it more at something like that.

Steve.
 
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:54:01 -0800
From: Nilay Bekiroglu <nilay@tiac.net>
Subject: (fwd)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

joarg@hsr.no wrote:

> > Hey does anyone know where I can find SANDRA albums in the US?  I have
> > searched ALL over and I can't find anything.  I'm in Boston< Mass if that
> > helps.
> 
> Have you tried Mystery Train I/II, Disc Diggers, Second Coming Records...or any like
> that.  Tower may have them, but I'd expect to find it more at something like that.
> 
> Steve.

Wow.  Mind reader.  I'm going to Mystery Train tomorrow.  I was thinking 
of going to 2nd Coming too but where is Disc Diggers?
nilay

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:54:04 -0800
From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos)
Subject: *****Hubert and Sandra*****
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Sometime ago I asked if anybody knew who was the handsome man who does the
male vocals on sandra's videos.The Answer was that it was Hubert kah.
I received now a copy of videos from Hubert Kah and Sandra  from a very
good friend in Germany and The guy is in all Sandra presentations on TV
shows and video clips.And is NOT Hubert.
She might have a band that goes to shows with her and the guy is on that
band but is definitely not him.Even the other guys are different.
 I know he is the voice on the recordings but she has somebody else with
her on the videos.
I also got the copy of hubert singing Angel 07 (in German), limousine,The
Picture and some other songs in different shows.Is incredible. (Thanks
Sven).
Also a copy of MOTI SPECIAL with Cretu on the guitar.
Anyway I still want to know if anybody has an info of who are the guys on
 Sandra 's Band.
Severo From L.A.

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:52:36 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: *****Hubert and Sandra*****
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Severo. You asked:

> Anyway I still want to know if anybody has an info of who are the guys on
>  Sandra 's Band.

  If you want to know the members who helped record her studio albums,
then it's in the CD booklets of "Close to Seven" and "Paintings in
Yellow" that I can remember. It may also be in the CD booklets of other
CDs too. As for who appears on her videos, I cannot help you.

  If you don't have the CDs and still want to know the artists, privately
email me.

Cheers,
Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:03:44 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: ***Sandra***
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all  

Hi Jim and Ellen Anderson,

If you are looking for Sandra's albums which reflect Michael's talent, I'll
say get all Sandra albums, except the last one "Fading Shades". "Fading
Shades" was mostly composed by Jens Gad, not Michael Cretu. That makes an
enormous different eventhough Sandra's voice was there. 

I became a huge fan of the couple Cretu since 1985 when Sandra's first
single "Maria Magdalena" was released. Since then I bought all her albums
and like them very very much. Michael Cretu composed and produced all her
albums. Eventhough Sandra's music is a kind of pop, it sounds somewhat
special and different unlike other pop songs and music. This is because
Michael has mixed his "special touch" into all Sandra's songs. That's why I
stated before that, for me, listeing to Sandra's albums is somewhat like
listening to Enigma in a way. Both of them are special and unique in their
own field. This is mainly because Michael Cretu was there......Here is a
list of Sandra's albums and ratings(my own, so might differ with others)
which, I hope, will help you.

- "The Long Play"(1985)..........10 out of 10
- "Mirrors"(1986)................10 out of 10
- "Into a Secret Land"(1988)..... 9 out of 10
- "Paintings in Yellow"(1990).... 9 out of 10
- "Close to Seven"(1992).........10 out of 10
- "Fading Shades"(1995).......... 5 out of 10

There are also two album CDs called "Ten On One" which includes the song
"Stop for a minute" and "The 18 Greatest Hits" which includes the newer
version of "Johnny wanna live". There are compilation of singles and each
one has one new song and different versions of some songs. I recommand them too.

Hope this will help....

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

*****************************************

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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 19:22:12 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: ***Sandra***
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Ye Min Than,

At 00:03 21/11/96 +0100, you wrote:

>If you are looking for Sandra's albums which reflect Michael's talent, I'll
>say get all Sandra albums, except the last one "Fading Shades". "Fading
>Shades" was mostly composed by Jens Gad, not Michael Cretu. That makes an
>enormous different eventhough Sandra's voice was there. 

Is there any reason for this ? I don't hope that Michael will stop writing
music for her ...

Greetings, Gianni

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:48:07 -0800
From: infobaun@autobaun.com (Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin)
Subject: *The Magic of Peter Geisheker*
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello Enigmites,:)

        Well, yeah, it's me again, the Annoying Happy Blonde.:)

        I feel that I must again applaud "Peter Geisheker"!   You know, the
Composer Dude who writes such interesting messages.:) (Hi Ye Min Than,
yeah, I know your also a Composer dude and you write many, many interesting
messages.....:)smile:).

        Peter has been busily working on his new music for the Album he is
composing.:)  He also works and go's to school.  He's a hard worker!  I'm
in awe at how hard he works.:)  I'm sure that Michael Cretu & all
successful Entertainers- worked very hard also.

        Peter is so dedicated to his music.  I really think that we will
see his music in the charts someday.:)  (Wouldn't that be so cool, to be
able to say that we all conversed with Peter Geisheker a Star.:)  I'm sure
that Michael & Sandra Cretu's friends and acquantices that they knew before
they became famous:)-  are in delight & awe at the wonderful
accomplishments they have made in the Entertainment world.:)

          I know that many of you have ordered his music and enjoyed it
also.:)  He has a great style, so flowing.:)  I'm sure that he will be
embarrassed that I am flattering him so much.......However.......I want to
share with you all the joy that I feel when I listen to his music.
So....if any of you are interested in ordering his tape:)  e-mail him
at:geispc@________ Oh, well I think Peter will have to write a message
now.......:)  We haven't heard from you in a while
Pete..............Smile!:)   (bribery, ahhhhh, I luv it:)  Giggles:)

        Anyway, Gavin, I want you to know how thankful I am to be on EML.:)
If not for EML, I would have never been able to have the oppurtunity to
hear Peter's Magical music.:)

        Peter, I want you to know that I will always be your #1 Fan!!  Go
and get em Dude!!:)  Love Ya!!

        Happy Listening everyone!!  Oh, and if anyone else on this list
composes, well, please do share your joy with us.:)  Enigmites adore
wonderful music!!  We have Great taste in music, if you don't mind me
saying-blinks!!  :)High Five:)  Giggles:)

With Love,

                Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA

P.S. The following is one of Peter's many enlightening messages that he
posted for us on the EML in 1995.:)  Enjoy!!:)

>>>>I am a composer so I think I might listen to and possibly hear music
>>>>differently than others do.
>>>>
>>>>I listen to Enigma because I love the sound combinations he uses, the
>>>>chord progressions, melody development, phrase changes, bridge
>>>>creation--all the technical aspects of it.  Each time I listen I learn
>>>>how he (Michael Cretu) creates his art.  Music is a lot like putting
>>>>together a jigsaw puzzle from the composers view.  You have to put the
>>>>parts together so they fit and become seamless which can be very
>>>>difficult since you cannot see the pieces.  You have to hear the pieces
>>>>and make them fit.  This process can be very frustrating.  After I have
>>>>composed for a couple of hours, I am dead tired and extremly irritable.
>>>>My brain has to concentrate so hard to make the music fit.  However, once
>>>>the song is finished and it sounds seamless, I reach a point of europa
>>>>and continue to feel that way almost everytime I listen to the song.
>>>>Since the music of enigam resembles mine in many ways from the technical
>>>>standpoint (I do much more melody development though) I feel the same
>>>>pleasure from his music as I do with mine which does not happen to me
>>>>with other artist's music.
>>>>
>>>>Peter C. Geisheker> >

****************~~LOVE~~***************

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 00:28:57 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: *The Magic of Peter Geisheker*
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

yes.. I was impressed with the music of Pete Geisheker myself.  His piano work was especially good.  I feel that his further implementation of this aspect of his music would be expedient to his cause.  Thank You Pete for the Music, and for the ever interesting commentary you offer to the list (that goes for Ye Minh too !! :-) )

--abr

At 08:48 PM 2/27/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello Enigmites,:)
>
>        Well, yeah, it's me again, the Annoying Happy Blonde.:)
>
>        I feel that I must again applaud "Peter Geisheker"!   You know, the
>Composer Dude who writes such interesting messages.:) (Hi Ye Min Than,
>yeah, I know your also a Composer dude and you write many, many interesting
>messages.....:)smile:).
>
>        Peter has been busily working on his new music for the Album he is
>composing.:)  He also works and go's to school.  He's a hard worker!  I'm
>in awe at how hard he works.:)  I'm sure that Michael Cretu & all
>successful Entertainers- worked very hard also.
>
>        Peter is so dedicated to his music.  I really think that we will
>see his music in the charts someday.:)  (Wouldn't that be so cool, to be
>able to say that we all conversed with Peter Geisheker a Star.:)  I'm sure
>that Michael & Sandra Cretu's friends and acquantices that they knew before
>they became famous:)-  are in delight & awe at the wonderful
>accomplishments they have made in the Entertainment world.:)
>
>          I know that many of you have ordered his music and enjoyed it
>also.:)  He has a great style, so flowing.:)  I'm sure that he will be
>embarrassed that I am flattering him so much.......However.......I want to
>share with you all the joy that I feel when I listen to his music.
>So....if any of you are interested in ordering his tape:)  e-mail him
>at:geispc@________ Oh, well I think Peter will have to write a message
>now.......:)  We haven't heard from you in a while
>Pete..............Smile!:)   (bribery, ahhhhh, I luv it:)  Giggles:)
>
>        Anyway, Gavin, I want you to know how thankful I am to be on EML.:)
>If not for EML, I would have never been able to have the oppurtunity to
>hear Peter's Magical music.:)
>
>        Peter, I want you to know that I will always be your #1 Fan!!  Go
>and get em Dude!!:)  Love Ya!!
>
>        Happy Listening everyone!!  Oh, and if anyone else on this list
>composes, well, please do share your joy with us.:)  Enigmites adore
>wonderful music!!  We have Great taste in music, if you don't mind me
>saying-blinks!!  :)High Five:)  Giggles:)
>
>With Love,
>
>                Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA
>
>P.S. The following is one of Peter's many enlightening messages that he
>posted for us on the EML in 1995.:)  Enjoy!!:)
>
>>>>>I am a composer so I think I might listen to and possibly hear music
>>>>>differently than others do.
>>>>>
>>>>>I listen to Enigma because I love the sound combinations he uses, the
>>>>>chord progressions, melody development, phrase changes, bridge
>>>>>creation--all the technical aspects of it.  Each time I listen I learn
>>>>>how he (Michael Cretu) creates his art.  Music is a lot like putting
>>>>>together a jigsaw puzzle from the composers view.  You have to put the
>>>>>parts together so they fit and become seamless which can be very
>>>>>difficult since you cannot see the pieces.  You have to hear the pieces
>>>>>and make them fit.  This process can be very frustrating.  After I have
>>>>>composed for a couple of hours, I am dead tired and extremly irritable.
>>>>>My brain has to concentrate so hard to make the music fit.  However, once
>>>>>the song is finished and it sounds seamless, I reach a point of europa
>>>>>and continue to feel that way almost everytime I listen to the song.
>>>>>Since the music of enigam resembles mine in many ways from the technical
>>>>>standpoint (I do much more melody development though) I feel the same
>>>>>pleasure from his music as I do with mine which does not happen to me
>>>>>with other artist's music.
>>>>>
>>>>>Peter C. Geisheker> >
>
>****************~~LOVE~~***************
>
>
>	

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:47:27 -0800
From: infobaun@autobaun.com (Rachelle L. Hamblin)
Subject: :)Re-Capture EML 1995:)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Hello Enigmites,:)

        I hope that everyone's New Year has started out wonderfully!:)

          I thought that I'd write a short message on behalf of "ALL OF
YOU!".  I want everyone to know that I feel so thankful for the many deep
thoughts that you have shared on the EML.  Last year was great!!:)  We may
have had some taunting people that tried to disrupt our valuable EML time
(meaning with bad Netiquete).  However, we shared funny, happy, sad,
serious, and many DEEP thoughts.:)

        Gavin, Thank you for the list!:)  It's great!!  I'm sure it get's
to be very hard work, with the many Enigmites that send in messages
everyday.

        Sometimes, the MANY e-mails seem so unbearable and difficult to
work with.  However, the information shared is appreciated.  I adore
watching everyone working together, to help eachother find an answer to
their questions about Enigma and other Various Groups.:)  If everyone in
the World were as kind and helpful, it would be a much better place.:)
Everybody, you should all be proud of yourself.:)

        The following is a re-capturement of a Deep and meaningful
discussion that had taken place last year, 1995.:)

         On Thurs. Oct. 5 1995, Christopher Robinson wrote:
>
              Enigma's music is exceptional, but my question concerns their
>> lyrics.  In "Return to Innocence," Enigma says, "Don't be afraid to be
>> weak/ Don't be too proud to be strong."  The structure of this couplet
>> puts the two lines in parallel.  This means that the second line is
>> "Don't be proud that you are strong."  Since the rest of the song deals
>> with emotional issues, that is it does not refer to physical strength,
>> then I am left thinking that Enigma is implying that one should not be
>> proud if they are emotionally strong, i.e., able to deal with reality.
>> Are they implying that we are subject to the fates and that we need to
>> take what is given, and not to take it so seriously, after all during the
>> next turning, things will change.
>>
>> Christopher Robinson
>>
        On Thurs. Oct. 5th my Friend Peter Giesheker wrote:

 I think that the lyrics simply mean that you shouldn't try to hold in
>your emotions for the sake of appearing strong--something that men are
>famous for (myself included).  The problem with holding in your emotions
>is that your emotions will eat away at you until you finally release them
>and the relese is usually so strong that it may make a person do bad
>things to themself or others.
>
>Peter C. Geisheker

        IS THAT A "DEEP" conversation?  or is that a "DEEP" conversation?:)

        Isn't it so cool, how Enigma's music has so much depth!  There are
so many meanings and thoughts that can conjure up into in one's mind.  So
many dreams and fantasy's that can be read from the many Enigma songs.:)
Even the instrumental sounds envision so many feelings and emotions.:)

        Enigma's music is the "Best"!:)

        Well, I just thought that it would be nice to share my thoughts and
thank everybody!:)   I wish I could thank everyone individually
 (giggles, I'm thinking that I sound like I'm on the "Grammy's", oh
Yeah!!:) or somthing........:)  Kidding.......:)
         However, that would take forever.  I would want to go into detail
about the cool thoughts of each of you......Pete Geisheker, Ye Min Than and
well, there are so many of you!!

        Anyway, this blonde is getting a bit to talkative..........I hear
some yawning.....:)  Smiles & Blinks......

        Happy listening & God Bless you all!!  HAPPY 1996 Enigmites!

Love,

                  Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA



*************************:)SMILE:)**************************
                   Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin
                           *ANGEL*
************************************************************

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 14:43 PST
From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler)
Subject: :)Re-Capture EML 1995:)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>  I wish I could thank everyone individually

send email to majordomo, and get a list then add Thank you to the beginning. j/k

>        Isn't it so cool, how Enigma's music has so much depth!  There are
>so many meanings and thoughts that can conjure up into in one's mind.  So
>many dreams and fantasy's that can be read from the many Enigma songs.:)
>Even the instrumental sounds envision so many feelings and emotions.:)

Well as I put it when I did a poetry analysis on Mea Culpa: The reason I
like it so much is because to everyone, Enigma has a slightly diferent
feel, meaning there's lots of themes to it, and then I also told them about
how on the Enigma "Fan-Club" (the mailing list, cause they aren't familiar
with the net) even with 250 ppl, we still get a new subscriber that asks a
question and brings up a new point. You know, I sometime wonder whether
Curly comes up with all of these possibilities or whether it's just
co-incidence


>        Anyway, this blonde is getting a bit to talkative..........I hear
>some yawning.....:)  Smiles & Blinks......

Don't be too hard on yourself (Rachelle with the nice positive attitude
(sarcasm)) :)

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|  \|eil Cutler                                     ))( )___)__
                                                    ||//    | /
email:ncutler@duncan.island.net                       |\    |
IRC Handle: LienKlaw                             equestrian fan & rider
Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself!          Mia,"Oh sure, now he's riding
http://www.island.net/~ncutler/                    "somebody else as well,
                                                   "there's not going to be
"Term's over, now give me a challenge" :(          "as many carrots for
me."
"Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore..."

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:04:04 -0800
From: infobaun@autobaun.com (Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin)
Subject: :)Re-Capture EML 1995:)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi AGAIN Enigmites,:)

  (O.K.no yawns please, you must have more rest if Mua makes you sleepy:)
kidding......I know....this is my last EML post......
        FOR A WHILE, THAT IS:)

Neil Cutler wrote the arrowed sentences......:) and Mua (Rachelle Hamblin)
wrote the indented-tabbed lines......:)

        I wish I could thank everyone individually
>>
>>send email to majordomo, and get a list then add Thank you to the
>>beginning. j/k

        Giggles:)  Cool idea!:)
>>
>>>        Isn't it so cool, how Enigma's music has so much depth!  There are
>>>so many meanings and thoughts that can conjure up into in one's mind.  So
>>>many dreams and fantasy's that can be read from the many Enigma songs.:)
>>>Even the instrumental sounds envision so many feelings and emotions.:)
>>
>>Well as I put it when I did a poetry analysis on Mea Culpa: The reason I
>>like it so much is because to everyone, Enigma has a slightly diferent
>>feel,

        Exactly!

meaning there's lots of themes to it,

        As we have all been able to see on this EML.:)

 and then I also told them about
>>how on the Enigma "Fan-Club" (the mailing list, cause they aren't familiar
>>with the net) even with 250 ppl, we still get a new subscriber that asks a
>>question and brings up a new point.

        Yes, it is so wonderful, isn't it!:)  So please,
please.......anyone who has even just a tiny quote to say about the lovely
music of Enigma, do write to the EML.  We would all be so appreciative of
your thoughts, comments, and help.:)

You know, I sometime wonder whether
>>Curly comes up with all of these possibilities or whether it's just
>>co-incidence

        :)Hmmmmmmmmmmm I wonder........Oh, Wow......You SEE, there I go
again...."wondering" isn't Enigma so Cool!:)
>>
        Anyway, this blonde is getting a bit to talkative..........I hear
>>>some yawning.....:)  Smiles & Blinks......
>>
>>Don't be too hard on yourself (Rachelle with the nice positive attitude

        You......:)
>>
(sarcasm)) :)

        :):)Smile:):)

Love,

              Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA
>>
>>|\  |                                                        ---\
>>| \ |                                               //-__cd_/ /\(
>>|  \|eil Cutler                                     ))( )___)__

****************~~LOVE~~***************
                 *R.L.H*
                ~~Angel~~
***************************************

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 00:00:41 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: :)Re-Capture EML 1995:)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

nice epitaph Neil.  I agree, Enigma has incredible depth on almost all their works.  Even their work's that are more entertainment, dance oriented, seem to display a greater deal of depth than the vast majority of today's popular music (not that says TOO much, but it is something).  I believe that Micheal Cretu has to be one of the best at setting atmosphere with music. The sensuality of his music is unsurpassed by any composed today.  The mental images that are painted by Cretu's music are varied, and very complex.  Enigma truly may be "the classic of our time".  

Would it be unfair to suggest that perhaps being a fan of Enigma suggests higher intelligence ?

Thank YOu,
Brandon 

, and t 02:43 PM 2/27/96 PST, you wrote:
>>  I wish I could thank everyone individually
>
>send email to majordomo, and get a list then add Thank you to the beginning. j/k
>
>>        Isn't it so cool, how Enigma's music has so much depth!  There are
>>so many meanings and thoughts that can conjure up into in one's mind.  So
>>many dreams and fantasy's that can be read from the many Enigma songs.:)
>>Even the instrumental sounds envision so many feelings and emotions.:)
>
>Well as I put it when I did a poetry analysis on Mea Culpa: The reason I
>like it so much is because to everyone, Enigma has a slightly diferent
>feel, meaning there's lots of themes to it, and then I also told them about
>how on the Enigma "Fan-Club" (the mailing list, cause they aren't familiar
>with the net) even with 250 ppl, we still get a new subscriber that asks a
>question and brings up a new point. You know, I sometime wonder whether
>Curly comes up with all of these possibilities or whether it's just
>co-incidence
>
>
>>        Anyway, this blonde is getting a bit to talkative..........I hear
>>some yawning.....:)  Smiles & Blinks......
>
>Don't be too hard on yourself (Rachelle with the nice positive attitude
>(sarcasm)) :)
>
>|\  |                                                        ---\
>| \ |                                               //-__cd_/ /\(
>|  \|eil Cutler                                     ))( )___)__
>                                                    ||//    | /
>email:ncutler@duncan.island.net                       |\    |
>IRC Handle: LienKlaw                             equestrian fan & rider
>Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself!          Mia,"Oh sure, now he's riding
>http://www.island.net/~ncutler/                    "somebody else as well,
>                                                   "there's not going to be
>"Term's over, now give me a challenge" :(          "as many carrots for
>me."
>"Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore..."
>
>
>	

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 21:06:24 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: <none>
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello everyone.  I was just sent the Welcome to the Enigma List message that
I'm sure all of you got as well.  I'm here to introduce myself.  Hmmmm.
What do I say?  Well how about what it said to say in the message.  Good idea.  

My name is Nilay Bekiroglu.  I live in a town near Boston, Mass. U.S.A.  I'm
16 years old and I am a junior in high school. (Yuk)
I have the first 2 Enigma albums.  I first heard Enigma a long time ago when
my older brother bought the Sadeness single.  Recently a friend of mine Ye
Min (maybe you know him?) as well as another friend Ben have got me
listening to them again.  I must say I'm hooked.  They also have me
listening to Enya, Deep Forest, and Ambiance music which I love.  I like all
types of music.  I really dislike music that is supposed to have lyrics but
you can't understand them because the singer is screaming or the base line
is too loud.  As for interesting information I am co-writing an essay on
education reform in the U.S. from a students stand point a very ambitous
undertaking.  It's turning into a book.  Well thats about all...Oh wait.
I'm a notoriously bad speller so bare with me please.  Thanks.  Have a great
day.  I hope this wasn't too long.

Nilay 


             Nilay, the twin with punctuation's, 
                      Cool Qoute of the Day:             
    
   Keep your eyes on the stars and your feet on the ground.
					-Theodore Roosevelt


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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:46:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Crazy Joe <jpeters@hawk.depaul.edu>
Subject: <none>
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Just for everyone's information, "Sliver" is on TV tonight.  At least, in 
the US it is.

Crazy Joe

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:18:44 +1100 (EST)
From: owner-enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
Subject: <none>
To: (null)

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 02:56:42 -0500 (EST)
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Hello everyone-
You don't know me but Ive been here before-
I just "subscribed" to the list again-
I forgot to unsubscribe the last spring and when I got back to school in 
September I had 800 messages and a "heck" of a time getting my email 
account straightened out- lets just say that things get done pretty slow 
when dealing with computers and networking around here..Wheres that you ask?
Well I'm in my fifth year of college and I attend Lake Superior State 
University in Sault Ste. Marie Michigan usa--Ive been to Grand Valley 
State and Kellogg Community College also here in Michigan.
     im 6'3" 210lbs with brown hair and brown eyes.  My motto is "have a 
good time in life- always stay happy-dont let others know when you are 
down and do what you would want done to you if you're in someone elses 
shoes.  I like people places and knowledge and wisdom.  And don't 
complain to me because somewhere someone has it worse than you.  Im very 
attractive to some and very unattractive to others(as is everyone). 
Anyways...Im in Fire Science and Personal Computers... Even though Hockey 
is the big choice around here Im big into football and baseball ..Im an 
occasional drinker and constantly keep in shape---and my final asset i 
want you all to know about is my love of music...I like my music powerful 
and sensual like my woman and ENIGMA is my favorite.  I have 5 cd's(I,II, 
Age of loneliness out from the deep, and return to innocence--along with 
the sliver st)
     To be honest I dont think Enigma is just about music.  Unfortunately 
its what sells but its a combination of the music and the aura "the 
message" which surrounds it.  Some very basic ideas about our universe 
are fragmented into words in the songs...thats for you to figure out 
obviously -- for example in I love you  Ill kill you the first two lines 
signify a deep love because you cant really love someone without being 
jealous and a lot of acts are done right or wrong, good or bad in the 
name of love just as in the name of pure hate I think thats what the 
message is.  In the seventh line a mirror is mentioned which signifies 
again opposites and evens-- a basic law of physics every action has an 
equal but opposite side..so basically without one you wouldnt have the 
other making them one and the same and carrying on the idea from the 
first two lines of the song
but basically i just wanted to say hello to all of you out there and drop 
a note I have email in my room i have time and we are all in this world 
to help each other...

                  more later... 

ps If any of you like to read on this stuff let me know Ill send you a 
list of some really good books...     Greg Willoughby

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:26:03 +1100 (EST)
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>From joarg@hsr.no  Thu Feb 15 08:46:15 1996
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Hey does anyone know where I can find SANDRA albums in the US?  I have
searched ALL over and I can't find anything.  I'm in Boston< Mass if that
helps.  

THanks in advance.

Nilay (Little Red)


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
       The empty vessel makes the greatest sound.
		               -William Shakespeare

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 03:21:37 +1100 (EST)
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 12:50:51 GMT
From: tba <tec95144@mech.port.ac.uk>
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Hi All,

	I've been on the mailing list for a while now and have enjoyed reading all
of your mails.  I have sent a few e-mails but will now introduce myself properly.

	My name is Steve Martin (honestly), I live in the England, London.  I am 
currently studying mechanical engineering at Portsmouth Southern England.  I am 18
and have loved Enigma now for about three years.  My auntie introduced me to 
MCMXC a.d. and was hooked.  I'll give you a quick run down of my CD collection 
relating to Enigma.  

	I have:-	MCMXC a.d. CD Limited Edition
			MCMXC a.d. LP (twice)
			Cross of Changes LP
			Cross of Changes CD
			Cross of Changes CD Special Edition
	Singles:-	Return to Innocence CD
			Return to Innocence CD Special Edition
			Out from the Deep CD
			Age of Loneliness CD
			Age of Loneliness CD Special Edition
			I love You...I'll Kill You
			Sadeness Part 1 7"
			The Eyes of Truth
	Vid:-		MCMXC a.d.

	I have quite a collection and I love them all and can not wait for the
next album. I have got a few of my friends into Enigma, I just think it can be
betten.  There are rock and dance remixes available and the original versions are
both relaxing and exciting.
	I like a wide range of music, from Van Halen, Aerosmith, Kiss, Enya,
Deep Forest to N-Trance.  But Enigma is my favorite and leads the rest by a 
long way.
	I am always on the look out for anything to do with Enigma and was
glad when I found you all.  Are any of you in an Enigma fan club?, if one exists.
I sent off for some information about a distributer of Enigma but had no reply.
	Well thats about it me, reply soon

Steve
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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:54:36 -0800
From: Adam <doochina@datatek.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Deep Forest and Strange Days]
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

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Hey all.
If anyone here owns the American version of the soundtrack to the movie 
Strange Days, they'll notice that there are two songs on the CD by Peter 
Gabriel and Deep Forest: Coral Lounge and While The Earth Sleeps.
I was wondering if anyone knows what language these songs are in, and 
where I could get some Deep Forest/Peter Gabriel CD's.
-Adam

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 07:50:39 MST
From: "Josh Johnson" <JJOHNSON@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us>
Subject: About the comment on latin words..
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Just to add my two cents, I think that the words on Enigma MCMXC a.D. are 
indeed latin and of course they are Gregorian chants, but I think that the 
Gregorian chants are based on the Psalms from the Bible. This is at least 
what I think!!!! Anyone, know???

                              Josh Johnson
                          San Juan High School
                             311 N 100 E.     
                         Blanding, Utah 84511  
                                e-mail:          
                     jjohnson@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us  
**************************************************************************
 " M A N  I S  T H E  D R E A M  O F  T H E  D R E A M  O F  T H E
            D O L P H I N"- from  Dream of the Dolphin, ENIGMA
                     The CROSS of Changes

  
                  
                  
                    

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:01:56 -0600
From: Robert T Cramer <rcramer@gac.edu>
Subject: ambient groups
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hey I am wondering about more groups that are like deep forest?
More techno like stuff.

--
Panama Jack <rcramer@gac.edu>
Editor and Chief of the Abstract Chronicle
Status: Single	Philisophical Ideology:  Rational Anarchist
"Fight fire with Peasants."
@)  Cyclops smile too.
Cthulhu Loves You

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:37:56 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: ambient groups
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Try Delerium, B-Tribe, Dead Can Dance and Pete Gesheker.

--Brandon

At 03:01 PM 2/16/96 -0600, you wrote:
>Hey I am wondering about more groups that are like deep forest?
>More techno like stuff.
>
>--
>Panama Jack <rcramer@gac.edu>
>Editor and Chief of the Abstract Chronicle
>Status: Single	Philisophical Ideology:  Rational Anarchist
>"Fight fire with Peasants."
>@)  Cyclops smile too.
>Cthulhu Loves You
>	

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 22:11:38 -0800
From: enigma@address.com (Arnold)
Subject: ambient groups
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Hey I am wondering about more groups that are like deep forest?
>More techno like stuff.
>

Depending on which album you're talking about:  similar to the first album i
found:

Baka Beyond - Spirit of the Forest (but more on the guitar and mandolin
mixed in with pygmy chants/singing/instruments)

One song in Delerium's Semantic Spaces had the exact same background pygmy
chants used in Deep Forest.

For Deep Forest's Second album which is more Middle Eastern -

Loop Guru - (I forgot the name of the album but there's only one)
Dead Can Dance

For those of you who like ENIGMA, I also liked -

William Orbit's Strange Cargo III
Mood Food's Mood Music
B-Tribe

Now, for those die-hards, b4 you buy these albums and complain - they are
NOT EXACTLY LIKE Enigma but rather gives the same ambient feel to the music.

Another good try is a song from the album "VISION" the music of Hildegard
Von Bingen.  She's a nun that does latin(?) chanting too.  There's one song
in the album i really liked called "O Virga Ac Diadema"(Praise for the
Virgin) which is similar to the chanting w/ background music of Enigma but
chanted by a female voice in a higher note.

Finally, if really interested but not sure about these albums - e-mail me
and i can give you a WAV Sampling from each.

Arnold.

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 00:02:43 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: ambient groups
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

You wrote: 
>
>>Hey I am wondering about more groups that are like deep forest?
>>More techno like stuff.
>>
>Depending on which album you're talking about:  similar to the first 
album i
>found:
>Baka Beyond - Spirit of the Forest (but more on the guitar and 
mandolin
>mixed in with pygmy chants/singing/instruments)
>One song in Delerium's Semantic Spaces had the exact same background 
pygmy
>chants used in Deep Forest.
>For Deep Forest's Second album which is more Middle Eastern -
>Loop Guru - (I forgot the name of the album but there's only one)
>Dead Can Dance
>For those of you who like ENIGMA, I also liked -
>William Orbit's Strange Cargo III
>Mood Food's Mood Music
>B-Tribe
>Now, for those die-hards, b4 you buy these albums and complain - they 
are
>NOT EXACTLY LIKE Enigma but rather gives the same ambient feel to the 
music.
>Another good try is a song from the album "VISION" the music of 
Hildegard
>Von Bingen.  She's a nun that does latin(?) chanting too.  There's one 
song
>in the album i really liked called "O Virga Ac Diadema"(Praise for the
>Virgin) which is similar to the chanting w/ background music of Enigma 
but
>chanted by a female voice in a higher note.
>Finally, if really interested but not sure about these albums - e-mail 
me
>and i can give you a WAV Sampling from each.
>Arnold.

=====
 If its not much of a hasel, I was wondering if I could get some type 
of sample of the album "Delirium" (lots of people mentioned it) and 
wondered unstead of driving out of the house, to a WhareHouse CD store, 
and listen and look for it, wondered if I can get a WAV sample... I am 
really into Enigma, I've got Enigma 1 and II and also got Deep Forest, 
CLANNA (2 albm.) also Alegria, which I like, and Zamfir, 


                                                    Thank You...

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:21:00 -0800
From: cschell@oberon.ark.com
Subject: ambient groups (New CD by Baka Beyond)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Since I heard Baka Beyond - Spirit of the Forest mentioned, I thought I let
you know that Baka Beyond has a new CD called "The Meeting Pool". Some of
the text on the cover which I here quote explains the title:
Deep in the forests of Cameroon the Baka play music that is at the same time
energetic and relaxing, simple parts creating a complex whole, music that
brings together those that play it - in harmony with itself and the world
around. Beyond the forest is a cacophony of different tribes, nations and
cultures. Baka Beyond attempt to create a small moment of order out of this
caos. The Meeting Pool is where different musicians, ideas and styles of
music come together. Celtic melodies meet African rythms. Acoustic
instruments meet electronic  ....  Baka Beyond brings together musicians
from across the globe i.e. Tom Green (keyboards and programming), Sam Pope,
Mark Robson (didgeridoo), Mark Pinto (electric bass), Su Hart and Kate Budd
(vocals) ....
This album is more versatile than the first, with some Gallic influences and
more varied instrumentation. To those of you who liked "Spirit of the
Forest", I am sure you will like this one as well. 
If you are not familiar with this group have a listen when you get a chance.
This album has a Deep Forest (first album) feel to it. One of the songs on
this album "Booma Lena" is also available as a single.

Just thought I spread the word,
Happy Listening!

Cornelia










     Cschell@oberon.ark.com
 

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:42:00 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

According to Norwegian music channel ZTV, Enigma has been sued by
the 76-year old peasant from Taiwan who is the source of the main
chant in 'Return To Innocence'. The reason is that he has not received
any compensation for this use. The chant is the first track of the
album Polyphonies Vocales Des Aborigines De Taiwan.

In April 1994, a similar situation occured, when the Norwegian lapp
artist Mattis Hetta, on radio channel Petre, accused Enigma of not
crediting the Taiwanese chanter. This was partially wrong though, as
the above album was in fact credited on the first pressing of The CROSS
Of Changes in Europe, though strangely not in subsequent pressings.

Back in 1991, the choir Kappelle Antiqua got compensation for the
unauthorised usage of their recordings on 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa',
so this isn't the first time there have been legal wranglings over
Enigma's samples.


Joar

-- 
  Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no     ///     WWW: Enigma/Sandra
 http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/    ///     Eschew obfuscation.

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:45:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Jim English <english@galaxy.galstar.com>
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> 
> According to Norwegian music channel ZTV, Enigma has been sued by
> the 76-year old peasant from Taiwan who is the source of the main
> chant in 'Return To Innocence'. The reason is that he has not received
> any compensation for this use. The chant is the first track of the
> album Polyphonies Vocales Des Aborigines De Taiwan.

Sounds to me like the work of a team of lawyers and not the inner
workings of a 76-year old peasant who probably has no idea who Enigma
even is.  I bet some stiff in a suit came up to him and said "hey, how'd
you like to live like a king?"  I tell ya people like that are scum!
-jim

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
Jim English - english@galaxy.galstar.com / jenglish@amoco.com

The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence."

"Sold, to the man with the red white and blue suit!"
______________________________________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:58:52 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Sounds to me like Michael Cretu needs to a little more careful about this plaigerism crap.  He isn't going to stand a chance against lawsuits of this nature.  :-(
 
--Brandon

	

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:21:03 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Sounds to me like Michael Cretu needs to a little more careful about this
plaigerism crap.  He isn't going to stand a chance against lawsuits of this
nature.  :-(
> 
>--Brandon

I know what you mean.  Michael Crutu seems to be a composer who is so into
the music that he knows nothing else.  He isn't a busness man.  He's an artist.

nilay


             Nilay, the twin with punctuation's, 
                      Cool Qoute of the Day:             
    
                Old number theorists never die,
                they just get past their prime.

                                      ,.   '\'\    ,---.
     Quiet, Pinky; I'm pondering.    | \\  l\\l_ //    |  
            _              _         |  \\/ `/  `.|    |   
          /~\\   \        //~\       | Y |   |   ||  Y |
          |  \\   \      //  |       |  \|   |   |\ /  |   /
          [   ||        ||   ]       \   |  o|o  | >  /   /
         ] Y  ||        ||  Y [       \___\_--_ /_/__/
         |  \_|l,------.l|_/  |       /.-\(____) /--.\
         |   >'          `<   |       `--(______)----'
         \  (/~`--____--'~\)  /           U// U / \
          `-_>-__________-<_-'            / \  / /|
              /(_#(__)#_)\               ( .) / / ]
              \___/__\___/                `.`' /   [
               /__`--'__\                  |`-'    |
            /\(__,>-~~ __)                 |       |__
         /\//\\(  `--~~ )                 _l       |--:.
         '\/  <^\      /^>               |  `   (  <   \\
              _\ >-__-< /_             ,-\  ,-~~->. \   `:.___,/
             (___\    /___)           (____/    (____)    `---'

Artwork by Sean Gugler  sean@smos.com

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:57:53 +0000
From: altered@cia.com.au
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> > 
> > According to Norwegian music channel ZTV, Enigma has been sued by
> > the 76-year old peasant from Taiwan who is the source of the main
> > chant in 'Return To Innocence'. The reason is that he has not received
> > any compensation for this use. The chant is the first track of the
> > album Polyphonies Vocales Des Aborigines De Taiwan.
> 
> Sounds to me like the work of a team of lawyers and not the inner
> workings of a 76-year old peasant who probably has no idea who Enigma
> even is.  I bet some stiff in a suit came up to him and said "hey, how'd
> you like to live like a king?"  I tell ya people like that are scum!


Scum?

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:47:35 -0800
From: feszczak@sas.upenn.edu (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@marble.cc.monash.edu.au

>I know what you mean.  Michael Crutu seems to be a composer who is so into
>the music that he knows nothing else.  He isn't a busness man.  He's an artist.
>
>nilay
>
>

He's also a producer of many others' projects, so he should have some sense
of the business and legal aspects of recording!

Zenon M. Feszczak
Enigmatist

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:12:15 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

well.. I mean no harm, but I don't want the guy to get into trouble over this BS, I'd like to see him continuing to Compose under the name Enigm into the next century.

--Brandon

At 10:21 PM 2/6/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>Sounds to me like Michael Cretu needs to a little more careful about this
>plaigerism crap.  He isn't going to stand a chance against lawsuits of this
>nature.  :-(
>> 
>>--Brandon
>
>I know what you mean.  Michael Crutu seems to be a composer who is so into
>the music that he knows nothing else.  He isn't a busness man.  He's an artist.
>
>nilay
>
>
>             Nilay, the twin with punctuation's, 
>                      Cool Qoute of the Day:             
>    
>                Old number theorists never die,
>                they just get past their prime.
>
>                                      ,.   '\'\    ,---.
>     Quiet, Pinky; I'm pondering.    | \\  l\\l_ //    |  
>            _              _         |  \\/ `/  `.|    |   
>          /~\\   \        //~\       | Y |   |   ||  Y |
>          |  \\   \      //  |       |  \|   |   |\ /  |   /
>          [   ||        ||   ]       \   |  o|o  | >  /   /
>         ] Y  ||        ||  Y [       \___\_--_ /_/__/
>         |  \_|l,------.l|_/  |       /.-\(____) /--.\
>         |   >'          `<   |       `--(______)----'
>         \  (/~`--____--'~\)  /           U// U / \
>          `-_>-__________-<_-'            / \  / /|
>              /(_#(__)#_)\               ( .) / / ]
>              \___/__\___/                `.`' /   [
>               /__`--'__\                  |`-'    |
>            /\(__,>-~~ __)                 |       |__
>         /\//\\(  `--~~ )                 _l       |--:.
>         '\/  <^\      /^>               |  `   (  <   \\
>              _\ >-__-< /_             ,-\  ,-~~->. \   `:.___,/
>             (___\    /___)           (____/    (____)    `---'
>
>Artwork by Sean Gugler  sean@smos.com
>
>	

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:17:46 +0000
From: altered@cia.com.au
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> >Sounds to me like Michael Cretu needs to a little more careful about this
> plaigerism crap.  He isn't going to stand a chance against lawsuits of this
> nature.  :-(
> > 
> >--Brandon
> 
> I know what you mean.  Michael Crutu seems to be a composer who is so into
> the music that he knows nothing else.  He isn't a busness man.  He's an artist.
> 

oh yeh?

D

>              Nilay, the twin with punctuation's, 
>                       Cool Qoute of the Day:             
>     
>                 Old number theorists never die,
>                 they just get past their prime.
> 
>                                       ,.   '\'\    ,---.
>      Quiet, Pinky; I'm pondering.    | \\  l\\l_ //    |  
>             _              _         |  \\/ `/  `.|    |   
>           /~\\   \        //~\       | Y |   |   ||  Y |
>           |  \\   \      //  |       |  \|   |   |\ /  |   /
>           [   ||        ||   ]       \   |  o|o  | >  /   /
>          ] Y  ||        ||  Y [       \___\_--_ /_/__/
>          |  \_|l,------.l|_/  |       /.-\(____) /--.\
>          |   >'          `<   |       `--(______)----'
>          \  (/~`--____--'~\)  /           U// U / \
>           `-_>-__________-<_-'            / \  / /|
>               /(_#(__)#_)\               ( .) / / ]
>               \___/__\___/                `.`' /   [
>                /__`--'__\                  |`-'    |
>             /\(__,>-~~ __)                 |       |__
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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 17:49:53 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi. It has been discussed that Enigma is being sued.

I find this interesting since during my meeting with Enigma's manager we
had quite a big conversation about this (one which he started!). I will
get in to these details in another post (yes I know I still have to
summarise the whole meeting - please bear with me!) but essentially this
report seems hard to swallow. Enigma's manager discussed the tedious
process of buying the copyright of samples, and he stated that they were
very careful about it on Enigma II. However, most notable is that the
Polyphones.... sample IS credited on the release of Enigma II so it is
fair to assume that a copyright or license was bought....

Next time I speak to Enigma's manager I will find out the full story.
But remember boys and girls, the media is NOT always right! :)

Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 15:04:44 MST
From: "Josh Johnson" <JJOHNSON@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us>
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

 

 Polyphonies Vocales Des Aborigines De Taiwan:


Where can I find this CD or cassette?


                              Josh Johnson
                          San Juan High School
                             311 N 100 E.     
                         Blanding, Utah 84511  
                                e-mail:          
                     jjohnson@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us  
**************************************************************************
 " M A N  I S  T H E  D R E A M  O F  T H E  D R E A M  O F  T H E
            D O L P H I N"- from  Dream of the Dolphin, ENIGMA
                     The CROSS of Changes

  
                  
                  
                    

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 05:00:32 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: Another lawsuit for Enigma?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Feb 8,  3:04pm, "Josh Johnson" wrote:

>  Polyphonies Vocales Des Aborigines De Taiwan:
> 
> Where can I find this CD or cassette?

I found it in the ethnic/world music section of Tower Records in
London, so such a section in a large record store should have the
title.

I had a listen to this album, 'Return To Innocence' uses the first
30 seconds of the first track called 'Chant De Sarclage' (translated
to "weeding the paddyfield song"). It was quite strange to hear
the chant on it's own, and to hear how the original had been cut.
The full track is four and a half minutes long, so after the first
30 seconds the chant carries on with variations on the main theme
(which is thus virtually the same as the main theme for 'Return To
Innocence'), including a second, female voice doubling in certain
parts.

The sleeve notes report that this particular recording is actually
from the '60s, and issued on the label Firstophone in Taiwan. The
notes also depict the 120,000 inhabitants large population as an
agricultural people where private property is not known. Viewed
under this, it would seem unlikely that the original chanter should
suddenly go to a lawsuit on Enigma all by himself.

Another track on the album, 'Chant De Recolte' or 'Harvesting Song',
will also be familiar to Enigma listeners, as the very first vocal
note is looped and used in the beginning of 'Silent Warrior'.


Joar

-- 
  Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no     ///     WWW: Enigma/Sandra
 http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/    ///     Eschew obfuscation.

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 21:45:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Jaime Jo Mills <mill1209@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Another Newbie
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi everyone!  I just joined a couple of days ago, and decided to 
introduce myself.  My name is Jami, I am a telecommunications student at 
Kutztown University, in Pennsylvania.  I am 18 years old, and have been 
an Enigma fan for about 3 years.  I've never really heard any of the 
other groups you guys mentioned, but would like to find some things that 
are Enigma-like.  I also belong to the Journey mailing list (another big 
fave of mine!), and like most any kind of music you can think of!  

"Je veux aller au bout de mes fantasmes"
Jami

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:19:17 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Another one!!!
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi again,

I just forgot to say that in 1989 Sandra and some others artists had relesed
a single called "Yes We Can" which was dedicated to protect wildlife I
think. That song is a "must" too!!!!!

Enjoy the music......

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:48:40 +0000 (Central)
From: harry@g3server.sc.ti.com (Harry Ahluwalia)
Subject: Any Forthcoming Sandra Albums??
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello Sandra fans,

Does anyone know if Sandra is going to release any album this year? I know she released
Fading Shades (which I bought and enjoy very much) last year. I think Fading Shades
has not done too well.

I have all her albums and much like you guys am an ardent fan of hers. Unfortunately,
I live in the U.S. where not much of her music is available. Pls also if anyone can
fill in the albums that I am missing, I'll greatly appreciate it. I have the following
collection:-

Everlasting Love
Paintings In Yellow
Close to Seven
Fading Shades

These are all English versions, I don't mind listening to German (I am sure she has
plenty of those). I just love her voice - makes me relax after a lon'g days work.

Sorry if I digressed from the point, I just wanted to know what her future plans are.

Thanks netters,

Harry Ahluwalia.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:29:36 -0600
From: cookie@ionet.net (cookie)
Subject: a question, and a comment
To: enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I have been following the list for several months, but usually do not have
time to read it in great detail.

I just got finished scanning the Enigma home page for information.

a question!  What is the status, or what has been heard on the rumored
possible Live Enigma experience
late in the year???  Is it possible that this information could be divulged
in April?

a comment!  I have noticed that when people are replying to anything on the
list whether it be legitimate or replying to some idiot posting useless
information, that they are including the complete original post.  Is it
possible that we could be more conscience of what we are replying to.  I do
not mean to be rude, I just think that maybe we could do our own little part
to maybe shorten the list so that we wouldn't have to wade through all of
the confusing replies, forwards, (more than 5 line).sig files, etc. etc.,
and get to the good stuff that we want to see in the first place.

Thanks,
Cookie

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:48:02 EST
From: "Peri , Jonathan E" <JPERI01@student.ucis.vill.edu>
Subject: a question, and a comment
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Go back and check the page more thoroughly, your answer is there but 
I am not sure specifically where.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:12:06 -0600
From: cherae@intersurf.com
Subject: a question, and a comment
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

hi coookie.... I AGREE wholeheartedly
>
>a comment!   I just think that maybe we could do our own little part
>to maybe shorten the list so that we wouldn't have to wade through all of
>the confusing replies, forwards, (more than 5 line).sig files, etc. etc.,
>and get to the good stuff that we want to see in the first place.
>

>
>

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:33:14 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,


I read in a German magazine called "Bravo"(No.6 Feb. 1993) that Sandra said
her favourites are Art of Noise, Phil Collins, Genesis, and Elton John. Who
is this group "Art of Noise"??? What kind of music they produce??? Am I
missing the best music around???:)

I also know that Sandra like(or at least used to like) A-ha because back in
1986,  she was invited to a French TV music show called "Top 50" on the
cahnnel "Canal +". And Sandra choosed  the video "Hunting High and Low" of
A-ha as her favourite back then.....

Thanks...

Ye Min Than
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 10:56:50 -0500
From: MadaMocha@aol.com
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi All!

In a message dated 96-02-18 08:23:24 EST, ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
writes:

>Who
>is this group "Art of Noise"??? What kind of music they produce??? Am I
>missing the best music around???:)

Well Ye Min Than, AON is hard to describe - it's kind of techno and kind of
pop.  I like them a lot, especially "back in the 80's."  Here's a short list
of their more popular songs:

Who's Afraid of the Art of Noise
Beat Box
Moments in Love
Kiss ( a remake of Tom Jones and Prince)
(and then there's the song for a James Bond movie - anyone remember what it's
called?)

Hope that helps a little.

Ciao 4 Now!
MadaMocha

And remember, if you believe in Joy, it's because of Sadeness...

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:51:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Crazy Joe <jpeters@hawk.depaul.edu>
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Art of Noise:

	What to say about them?  Hmmmm.  As someone said earlier, they are
difficult to describe.  Even though I only have one of their albums, I 
have heard plenty of their music.  The name of the band does describe 
them some.  They use their artistic abilities to blend different everyday 
noises into ambient-like music.  It's very interesting and worth hearing, 
but I wouldn't say it's something that you could listen to all day like 
Enigma.  However, Enigma addicts should definitely check this band out.  
I suggest the album, "The Ambient Collection".

On Sun, 18 Feb 1996, Ye Min Than wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> 
> I read in a German magazine called "Bravo"(No.6 Feb. 1993) that Sandra said
> her favourites are Art of Noise, Phil Collins, Genesis, and Elton John. Who
> is this group "Art of Noise"??? What kind of music they produce??? Am I
> missing the best music around???:)
> 
> I also know that Sandra like(or at least used to like) A-ha because back in
> 1986,  she was invited to a French TV music show called "Top 50" on the
> cahnnel "Canal +". And Sandra choosed  the video "Hunting High and Low" of
> A-ha as her favourite back then.....
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Ye Min Than
> *****************************************
> 
> Discover the new phenomenon in music,....
> 
> the exquisite music of ENIGMA............
> 
> *****************************************
> 
>   
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 12:12:15 +0200 (EET)
From: Joakim Guy Calais <jcalais@snakemail.hut.fi>
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello, 

You asked about the Art of noise... Well, for a long time it has been one 
of my favoourite groups. It's called (at least around here in Europe) the 
father of Techno. (Or mother if you wish). Some of the most famous tracks 
include 'Moments in love', 'Dragnet', and so on. I'd describe it as very 
artistic music, covering many different styles. It's very jazzy techno 
actually (one of the best tracks is a mix of Henry Manchini's song (I can 
not recall the original title, but it appeared in the movie 
'Bluesbrothers', you might remember it as a jazz-track with a very 
striking bass-line). Anyhow, you should definitely give the art of noise 
a chance, since I, as a big fan of Enigma and Deep Forest also like AON 
a lot. They use samples in a very delicate and sophisticated way in my 
oppinion. A lot of experimenting with the human voice (tribal music, 
different languages, male and female choirs and so on). I hope I've 
managed to attract your and other people's attention with this email. The 
art of noise is a must for a fan of Enigma and Deep forest and others of 
the kind. 

Joakim Calais

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 21:17:45 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Ye Min Than. You asked:
 
> I read in a German magazine called "Bravo"(No.6 Feb. 1993) that Sandra said
> her favourites are Art of Noise, Phil Collins, Genesis, and Elton John. Who
> is this group "Art of Noise"??? What kind of music they produce??? Am I
> missing the best music around???:)

  As everyone has said, AON is hard to describe. Some people have
described their music as crap while others have called it sheer
brilliance. They were known for their extremely original and unique
samples, and their willingness to explore. Their most popular song would
have to be Paranoimia (or Paranoimia '88), the first of which featured
Max Headroom (yes that weird guy who was in movies and had a TV show).
They are also popular more recently for a song they did with Tom Jones
called Kiss. Other than that, they did a great version of Peter Gunn and
did the main song to Dragnet. Personally I think some of their stuff is
brilliant (like the tracks i mentioned) while the others are junk. The
best CD of their to find is their best of or, if you can find it, the
version of the best of called Art Works: The 12"ers.

Cheers, 
Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:50:32 +0000
From: Tom Donoghue <t.donoghue@rbh.nthames.nhs.uk>
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

At 10:56 18/02/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi All!
>
>In a message dated 96-02-18 08:23:24 EST, ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
>writes:
>
>>Who
>>is this group "Art of Noise"??? What kind of music they produce??? Am I
>>missing the best music around???:)
>
>Well Ye Min Than, AON is hard to describe - it's kind of techno and kind of
>pop.  I like them a lot, especially "back in the 80's."  Here's a short list
>of their more popular songs:
>
>Who's Afraid of the Art of Noise
>Beat Box
>Moments in Love
>Kiss ( a remake of Tom Jones and Prince)
>(and then there's the song for a James Bond movie - anyone remember what it's
>called?)
>
>Hope that helps a little.
>
>Ciao 4 Now!
>MadaMocha
>
>And remember, if you believe in Joy, it's because of Sadeness...
>

Hi , my name's Tom and I'm from a little known place called Warlingham nr.
Croydon , South London , uk . I'm a recent edition to the list & like
listening to as many forms of music as possible , especially ambient.
On the subject of Art of Noise , the group started after the 2 members of
Buggles (if anyone remembers "Video Killed The Radio Star")split from Yes (a
very strange partnership) to form AON . The 1st single , "Close to the Edit"
reached No.1 in the Uk in about '82/'83??(not quite sure of the exact date).
There are probably about 3 AON albums worth getting :

1. The Art of Noise - features 2 versions of close to the edit , Camilla(old
old story) & beatbox.

2.Who's afraid of AON? - personally the best AON album I've got , features
camilla , beatbox , legs , slip of the tongue , opus etc.

3.The Ambient Collection - features Robinson Crusoe theme(really good
version of the 1960's(??) french series , The Art of Love(The best AON
track) & loads more goodies....

There is also an AON compilation called the Fon Mixes (titled thus because
these were the studios used) which is a load of DJs remixing various AON
songs e.g. The Prodigy , Youth ,Mark Gambol etc...But I don't really like
this as its far too techno for my tastes.

Hopefully a few pointers to the original ambient artists...

another album worth pursuing if you're into Deep forest is Amazon Ambient ,
using chants & songs from a tribe called the Waorani in south America. there
are many different artists on the CD (Astralasia,Technicality..).It's well
worth a listening if you get the chance.

PS approx 15% of the proceeds go towards protecting the Amazon enviroment....

Tom. 
"May We Live In Interesting Times"

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:48:25 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello Ye Min Than,

At 13:33 18/02/96 +0100, you wrote:

>I read in a German magazine called "Bravo"(No.6 Feb. 1993) that Sandra said
>her favourites are Art of Noise, Phil Collins, Genesis, and Elton John. Who
>is this group "Art of Noise"??? What kind of music they produce??? Am I
>missing the best music around???:)

The Art of Noise was (is ?) a British group and existed of Anne Dudley, Gary
Lanagan and J.J. Jeczalik. They  were members of producer Trevor Horn's
studio band in the early eighties before they formed Art of Noise. I don't
know much about the work from the Art of Noise but IMHO they were the
precursors of the now-a-days techno music. Their music was a mixture of
studio gimmickry, tape splicing and synthesized beats. It was also one of
the first groups who used sampling ...

I think they don't exist anymore, but I'm not sure of that ...
Three singles I remember are Moments in love, Paranoimia and Kiss. The
latter is a cover of Kiss by Prince. They did this cover together with Tom
Jones.

Tonight, I will lookup what albums they made and I'll send the titles to you.

I hope I helped you somewhat ...

Greetings,

Gianni

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:18:20 +0000 (GMT)
From: Octahedra <G.R.Self@bradford.ac.uk>
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> Art of Noise:

(...)

> Enigma.  However, Enigma addicts should definitely check this band out.  
> I suggest the album, "The Ambient Collection".

I suggest Songs from the Victorious City by Anne Dudley (From AON) and Jaz
Coleman.  It has a brassy solo at the beginning of A Survivor's Tale which
sounds _remarkably_ similar to the beginning of The Eyes of Truth. 

Actually I think I've seen this record mentioned on the Enigma WWW page - 
as part of Michael Cretu's CD collection or something.

I don't suppose much of AON's stuff is as acoustic as Victorious City is it? 

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 22:46:40 -0500
From: MadaMocha@aol.com
Subject: Art of Noise???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

In a message dated 96-02-18 22:51:31 EST, jpeters@hawk.depaul.edu (Crazy Joe)
writes:

>However, Enigma addicts should definitely check this band out.  
>I suggest the album, "The Ambient Collection"


I recommend the "Who's Afraid of (the Art of Noise)."


MadaMocha

Remember if you believe in Joy, it's because of Sadeness...

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 12:46:03 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: Any Forthcoming Sandra Albums??
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Harry & all other Sandra-Fans!

In germany she has released the following albums:
The long play (1985)
Mirrors (1986)
Ten on one (1987)
Into a secret land (1988)
Paintings in yellow (1990)
Close to seven (1992)
18 greatest hits (1992)
Fading Shades (1995)

3-Limited Edition Picture Discs from Austria (1993):
The long play
Mirrors
Into a secret land

The songs are the same, but the cover-side from the Cd's are different

All CD's are P & C by Virgin Schallplatten GmbH, Germany
The PCD-Compilation are P & C by Virgin Records Ltd., Made in Austria

>From USA I've the Everlasting love-CD (1988), C by Virgin Records America

I hope that helps !!!!

Bye,
Andreas Bachmaier

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 20:22:24 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Sven!
>> Maria Magdalena
>>--> "The Long Play", "Ten on one" and "18 greatest hits"
>>The remix of Maria Magdalena are only available on Maxi-CD

>Sorry thats not true, the REMIX was released on Vinyl too, and on the B Side
>was another Remix there was not released on CD !
Is that vinyl released from Virgin Germany. Where can I find this ??

----------

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 20:20:43 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Gianni !

>>> Maria Magdalena
>>--> "The Long Play", "Ten on one" and "18 greatest hits"
>>The remix of Maria Magdalena are only available on Maxi-CD

> Maria Magdalena and In the heat of the night last longer on The Long Play.
> Are these the remixed versions ?

No, the remix is a new version of Maria Magdalena from 1993. It's very 
different the original single and album version.

----------

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 22:40:00 +0100
From: Sven Puklowski <Sven.Puklowski@frankfurt.netsurf.de>
Subject: AW: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hihoo !

>>Sorry thats not true, the REMIX was released on Vinyl too, and on the B Side
>>was another Remix there was not released on CD !
>Is that vinyl released from Virgin Germany. Where can I find this ??

I saw this 12inch on every Record Show for 15-30 DM
Hmm in the last Music Flohmarkt is a guy where sell this Maxi.

Tschuess
         Sven

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:18:38 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: AW: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Andreas,

At 20:20 24/02/96 UT, you wrote:

>>>> Maria Magdalena
>>>--> "The Long Play", "Ten on one" and "18 greatest hits"
>>>The remix of Maria Magdalena are only available on Maxi-CD
>
>> Maria Magdalena and In the heat of the night last longer on The Long Play.
>> Are these the remixed versions ?
>
>No, the remix is a new version of Maria Magdalena from 1993. It's very 
>different the original single and album version.

Do you think this remixed version is still available in Europe ?

Greetings,

Gianni

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 96 18:27:40 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: Hello
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi!
>   I love sandra and all her songs.My favorite is Sisters and brothers from
>   the Long Play albun and Shadows from the Close to Seven album.
Shadows is a Cover-Version from the song "Shadows over my head" from Michael 
Cretu (is available on the Moon, Light & Flowers-CD fom M.C., Polydor, 1979), 
but Sandra's Version is much better.

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 96 16:43:38 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: Label???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Nilay!

> Hey there everyone.  I just have a quick question.
> Sandra is on a German record label right??
> What is the name of it?
Right!  
Virgin Schallplatten GmbH

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:55:53 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: AW: Label???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Hi Nilay!
>
>> Hey there everyone.  I just have a quick question.
>> Sandra is on a German record label right??
>> What is the name of it?
>Right!  
>Virgin Schallplatten GmbH

Thanks everyone!


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
  Once you are a friend, you're a friend through and through.
					Miss Siagon

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 20:18:37 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Paul !
> [.....]
> So I was hoping you could tell me which CD the following songs come
> from, but I don't know if the titles are correct because I had to guess on
> most of them...

The songs are on the following CD's:

> Son of a Time Machine
> Nnights in White Satin
> Tell Me More
> Invisible Shelter
--> Fading Shades

> Maria Magdalena
--> "The Long Play", "Ten on one" and "18 greatest hits"
The remix of Maria Magdalena are only available on Maxi-CD

> Return to Zero     ???????
You mean Return to Innocence ???  --> Enigma: "The cross of changes"

Hope it helps

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com) 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 23:57:01 +0100
From: Sven Puklowski <Sven.Puklowski@frankfurt.netsurf.de>
Subject: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hiho !

>> Maria Magdalena
>--> "The Long Play", "Ten on one" and "18 greatest hits"
>The remix of Maria Magdalena are only available on Maxi-CD

Sorry thats not true, the REMIX was released on Vinyl too, and on the B Side
was another Remix there was not released on CD !

Tschuess
         Sven

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:29:08 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Andreas,

>> Maria Magdalena
>--> "The Long Play", "Ten on one" and "18 greatest hits"
>The remix of Maria Magdalena are only available on Maxi-CD

Maria Magdalena and In the heat of the night last longer on The Long Play.
Are these the remixed versions ?

Greetings,

Gianni

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 20:19:22 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Gianni!
>>the album "Everlusting Love" was a US release and in Europe there is no such
>>Sandra album called "Everlusting Love". Here in Europe, the song
>>"Everlusting Love" appeared in the compilation "Ten on One". In short, there
>>are differences in US and Europe releases. 

>And what is on this cd ? I never heard of it, bit I think it has to be a
>ompilation cd especially for the US market ?

1. Everlasting love (remix) --> This Version isn't on any germany album.
2. Maria Magdalena
3. Secret land
4. Heaven can wait
5. Hi! Hi! Hi!
6. We'll be together
7. In the heat of the night
8. Around my heart
9. Little girl
10. Loreen

----------

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 20:33:41 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: AW: Sandra's biography book!!!
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Ye Min!
> Have anyone read the book "Sandra: Phases of a Carrer"???(In German it's
> called "Sandra: Stationen Einer Karriere")
Yes, I read it.
I have this book and a second biography, also in german: Sandra  from Katja 
Rvcker
Printed in Vienna, Austria. (The first book is from Germany)
Here is the order number:
ISBN 3-552-05090-6
Price: DM 19.80

----------

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 14:19:24 -0600 (CST)
From: cha@stolaf.edu
Subject: B-Tribe on Primetime
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma ListServ)

Just want everybody to know that I saw a commercial (some floural
company) that has B-Tribe's "Fiesta Fatal" in the backgroud.  It
sounded really nice--for all 30 sec byte too!  I got so excited, I
wanted to tell all my friends.  And I'm sure all you Enigmaties will
appreciate it.
 
It was broadcast nationally during Primetime Live about two weeks ago.
I know it's late news but I still think it's cool.  

Valeng


                               \\|//
                               (o o)
___________________________oOOo_(_)_oOOo_______________________________________
         Valeng Cha                     cha@stolaf.edu
    1500 St. Olaf Avenue        http://www.stolaf.edu/people/cha/
    Northfield, MN  55057            tel: (507) 646-2251

Dept of Sociology & Anthropology, St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
                "If you make people think they're thinking,
                 they'll love you; but if you really make
                 them think they'll hate you."
_______________________________________________________________________________

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 18:59:37 -0500
From: kyler@awod.com (Kyle Richardson)
Subject: B-Tribe on Primetime
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I'm not sure if I saw the same commercial, but I have heard a commercial
repeatedly that has that song on it. So there is some commercial that is
running it now. (I forget what the commercial was for. I was too busy
listening to the music. :)
>Just want everybody to know that I saw a commercial (some floural
>company) that has B-Tribe's "Fiesta Fatal" in the backgroud.  It
>sounded really nice--for all 30 sec byte too!  I got so excited, I
>wanted to tell all my friends.  And I'm sure all you Enigmaties will
>appreciate it.
> 
>It was broadcast nationally during Primetime Live about two weeks ago.
>I know it's late news but I still think it's cool.  
>
>Valeng
>
>
>                               \\|//
>                               (o o)
>___________________________oOOo_(_)_oOOo_______________________________________
>         Valeng Cha                     cha@stolaf.edu
>    1500 St. Olaf Avenue        http://www.stolaf.edu/people/cha/
>    Northfield, MN  55057            tel: (507) 646-2251
>
>Dept of Sociology & Anthropology, St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN
>                "If you make people think they're thinking,
>                 they'll love you; but if you really make
>                 them think they'll hate you."
>_______________________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 21:06:22 +0100
From: perta@sn.no (Per Terje Aune)
Subject: Biosphere
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Just wondering..

Has anyone on this list heard about Biosphere or his music? All I know is
that he is supposed to be a very good composer of ambient music, and he is
also Norwegian so I really should know him better than I do. Maybe some of
you have heard of him, and if you have, then please tell me what his music
sounds like or how it is compared to Enigma, Deep Forest etc. I don't like
buying music unheard. 
I could add that his name is Geir Jenssen and that he used to be a member of
Bel Canto.

Thanks,
        Per Terje Aune

PS: I have read that his song 'Novelty Waves' was used in a Levi's
commercial where someone bought a condom and put it in his watch-pocket...
Maybe you've seen it? I just can't remember the music.

=============================================================================
"Snail" mail to: Per Terje Aune         E-mail to:  perta@oslonett.no
                 Brudalsvegen 29        WWW:  http://www.oslonett.no/~perta/
                 7080 HEIMDAL           Telephone:  +47 72 58 03 59       
                 NORWAY                 
			Deep Forest WWW Homepage: 
	    http://www.oslonett.no/~perta/dforest/dforest.html
=============================================================================

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 23:32:43 GMT
From: Mighty Mike <michael.brown@balliol.oxford.ac.uk>
Subject: Biosphere
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi there Per!

I have heard of Biosphere, but I can't tell you a whole lot about 
them.  I have Novelty Waves on a trance compilation and I really like 
it.  Also their album Patashnik is supposed to be really good.  
Novelty Waves is a fairly heavy dance track, nothing like Enigma or 
Deep Forest at all.  Whether you would like it or not depends 
entirely on WHY you like Enigma.  I like Enigma for the driving 
rythms and atmospheric music over the top of electronic beats and 
bass lines.  Some on the other hand like it for the ancient chants 
and music, and would probably hate Biosphere.

As always, all you can do is try to hear before you buy, and if not 
then take a gamble!  I've come across a couple of excellent CD's 
which I'd never heard when I bought them.  Of course, some are terrible, but 
you can always exchange them.

Good luck, and let me know what you think of Patashnik if you buy it.

MIKE
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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:57:04 -0700
From: tran <tran@netvoyage.net>
Subject: CD Guide
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

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Here's a good site I just found for those who loved 
to search for your favorite CDs. 
(GEMM) Global Electronic Music Market Place
http://gemm.com/
Hope you'll like it.

HANH TRAN
garden grove, ca.
tran@mail.neyvoyage.net

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<br>...and see what happens. 
<p><img src=//205.219.126.8/~gemm/GEMM/GEMM_HTTP/graphics/blank.gif width=20 height=10>
<b><p><a href="http://205.219.126.8/~gemm/GEMM/GEMM_HTTP/info/info.html">What is GEMM?</a></b>
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:29:30 +0100
From: Max <themax@mbox.vol.it>
Subject: CD shops
To: Enigma mailing list <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Max has a big question,

I would like to know the addresses of some good European CD-shops on the Internet.

I said European because it is a nonsense for me (I live in Italy) to buy in the USA
a CD imported from Europe (it takes more time and money).

As you can imagine most of the CDs I need are European (Cretu, Sandra, Enigma ....)



Thanks in advance.


 **********************************
 **          (the) Max           **
 **  e-mail: themax@mbox.vol.it  **
 **********************************

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 14:06:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Jaime Jo Mills <mill1209@kutztown.edu>
Subject: CD single
To: Enigma Newsgroup <Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

I have been desprately trying to find the CD single for "Return to 
Innocence", And have not been able to locate it.  Does anyone have one 
they would be willing to sell????  PLEASE!!!  I have been trying several 
used CD stores in the area, and they have had no luck in getting it.  

e-mail me if you can help

Jami

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:41:36 -0500
From: Jerry Smith <jfsmith@ee.net>
Subject: CD single
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Jami,
        Do you want the U.S. Version or the U.K. or the German Version?

        Where is Kutztown?


At 02:06 PM 14-02-96 -0500, you wrote:
>I have been desprately trying to find the CD single for "Return to 
>Innocence", And have not been able to locate it.  Does anyone have one 
>they would be willing to sell????  PLEASE!!!  I have been trying several 
>used CD stores in the area, and they have had no luck in getting it.  
>
>e-mail me if you can help
>
>Jami
>
>
				Jerry Smith                                         
			      jfmsith@ee.net,
			      jfsmith@oar.net
				   And
		      jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us

My Homepage is http://206.31.38.97/jfsmith/

Turn out the light, Take a Deep Breath and ...... Relax
                  The Voice of Enigma

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 20:21:04 -0800
From: cschell@oberon.ark.com
Subject: Cirque du Soleil
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

To those of you familiar with the group "Cirque du Soleil". I would
appreciate more info. What do they sound like and what is their best album?
You can e-mail me to the address below if you prefer.
Thanks in advance

Cornelia



     Cschell@oberon.ark.com
 

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:22:18 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: Cirque du Soleil
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

You wrote:=20
>
>To those of you familiar with the group "Cirque du Soleil". I would
>appreciate more info. What do they sound like and what is their best=20
album?
>You can e-mail me to the address below if you prefer.
>Thanks in advance
>
>Cornelia
>
>
>
>     Cschell@oberon.ark.com
>=20
>
I have it..=20
                    =3D> Alegria "Cirque Du Soleil" <=3D=20
I like it, and also saw the circus... on TV.. some clips,=20
You'll like it, I can U/L you some samples.. is not as Enigam is...
  If, I can send you a WAV or VOC file.. of some good songs off the CD.

                                     \\|U|//
                                      \\|//
                                     @(=95 =95)@
                    ______________o00o_\=3D/_o00o______________
                    E n i g m a X @ i x . n e t c o m . c o m=20
                    -----------------------------------------
                  "Like dude.. Like You're going to like it.."

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:57:57 -0800
From: bagelboy@best.com (John G. Ingram)
Subject: Cirque du Soleil
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Cornelia!

In response to your question about Cirque du Soleil...

"The Cirque" is a human circus from Canada.  When I say "circus" I do not
mean the kind with animals and clowns, etc.  They are acrobats that perform
the most amazing shows.  Words simply cannot describe Cirque du Soleil.
One must simply see the show to truly appreciate it.  It IS incredible.
Here in the US, there is a stationary show in Las Vegas.  Other than that,
the show tours around the world every few years.

The music from all the shows is wonderful.  There are, I believe, 5 CDs out
now.  They are CIRQUE DU SOLEIL, NOUVELLE EXPERIENCE, ALLEGRIA, MYSTERE
(from the show in Las Vegas) and SALTIMBANCO.  I have seen all of these
shows and trust me, as wonderful as the music is, alone it just does not do
justice for the show.

If you would like more information about  Cirque du Soleil, you can contact
jpmarin@atlas.odyssee.net.  He is working on their home page.  He is very
nice and very willing to give out information when he is not busy.

So, now you know a little about "the Cirque."  Keep enjoying!  :-)


JOHN G. INGRAM - San Francisco, CA

TEL: 415.673.5276
PGR: 415.809.1446 OR 800.971.9589

As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates
others. ~ Nelson Mandela, 1994 Inaugural Speech

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:44:25 -0800
From: enigma@address.com (Arnold)
Subject: Cirque du Soleil
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

=20
>>
>I have it..=20
>                    =3D> Alegria "Cirque Du Soleil" <=3D=20
>I like it, and also saw the circus... on TV.. some clips,=20
>You'll like it, I can U/L you some samples.. is not as Enigam is...
>  If, I can send you a WAV or VOC file.. of some good songs off the CD.
>
>                                     \\|U|//
>                                      \\|//
>                                     @(=95 =95)@
>                    ______________o00o_\=3D/_o00o______________
>                    E n i g m a X @ i x . n e t c o m . c o m=20
>                    -----------------------------------------
>                  "Like dude.. Like You're going to like it.."
>

Hi, if you can e-mail me a WAV sample of the CD  - I too am interested.
Thanks,

enigma@address.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 00:19:06 -0500
From: cowboy1@cowboy1.microserve.com (Dennis Bobo)
Subject: Cirque du Soleil
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Howdy!
     I saw a circus of superb athletes doing unbeleivable acrobatic and
gymnastic type things in caricature type outfits in a dance bar with tv sets
in Pa. I recall the incredible sites I was seeing took my mind off the
music, but was it this circque du Soleil I was seeing? I can't get that show
off my mind! Thanks for your time.
                                the cowboy

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:28:14 -0800
From: bagelboy@best.com (John G. Ingram)
Subject: Cirque du Soleil
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hey Cowboy!  Pretty cool dance bar if they play tapes of the Cirque!!!  It
probably was the Cirque.  If you ever have the chance of seeing a live
show...GO.  No matter how much the tickets are, it is well worth the money!


JOHN G. INGRAM - San Francisco, CA

TEL: 415.673.5276
PGR: 415.809.1446 OR 800.971.9589

As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates
others. ~ Nelson Mandela, 1994 Inaugural Speech

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 23:10:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jacques-Bertrand Pichette (pichette@uniforum.qc.ca)" <pichette@uniforum.qc.ca>
Subject: Cirque du Soleil (FAQ) 
To: Cschell@oberon.ark.com

Hello Cornelia,

I don't want to start an "official" FAQ about le Cirque du Soleil but 
just to try to answer some of your questions ( from yours previous 
posting ).

- Le Cirque du Soleil (Circus of the Sun) is based in Montreal (Quebec). 
They have 2 or 3 groups touring all around the world.

- They have 5 CD on the market.  Both are on RCA / BMG label:
	a) Cirque du Soleil (09026-62523-2/4)
	b) Nouvelle Experience  (New experience) (09026-61531-2/4)
	c) Saltimbanco (09026-61486-2/4)
	d) Mystere  (Mystery) (09026-62686-2/4)
	e) Alegria (09026-62701-2)

- Alegria is their best "soundtrack"

- The music of Alegria ( and almost all other CD ) was composed by Rene 
Dupere

- The "lead" signer on Alegria is Francesca Gagnon.  She was born in 
Quebec from Italian roots.

- Everything ( show, costumes, choregraphy, music, song, recording, ...) is 
proudly made in Quebec.

- If you need more infos, you can reach them at:

	Le Cirque du Soleil
	1217, rue Notre-Dame Est
	Montreal  (Quebec)
	H2L 2R3

	tel: +1(514) 522.23.24
	     +1(800) 678.21.19
	fax: +1(514) 522.21.88	
	




_____________________________________________________________________ 
 Jacques-Bertrand Pichette	| Email:		           
                                | pichette@uniforum.qc.ca
________________________________|____________________________________
  
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:34:41 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Cretu and Theirs
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

where can I find this music : Cretu and Theirs. ?	

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 15:19:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Sean Lindsay u <lind6350@mach1.wlu.ca>
Subject: David Fairstein
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Fellow Enigmites,

Just out of curiousity, does anyone know anything about David Fairstein?  
I know he was heavily involved with Enigma's first album, and was also 
involved with the second one as well.  What's become of him?  

Sean

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:04:07 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: David Fairstein
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,

>
>Just out of curiousity, does anyone know anything about David Fairstein?  
>I know he was heavily involved with Enigma's first album, and was also 
>involved with the second one as well.  What's become of him?  
>
>Sean
>
David Fairstein also involved with Sandra's "Colse To Seven" album. In that
album, Fairstein co-wrote the song "No Taboo" together with Michael Cretu. I
think the lyrics of that song are written by Cretu and Fairstein. But the
music is composed by Michael Cretu alone, which is why that song sounds so
good!!! 

Ye Min Than 
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon of music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 06:03:04 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Dead Can Dance
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,


For those who like the group Dead Can Dance, there'll be a new album called
"Future Music". It'll be released in April......

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

*****************************************

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:51:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Crazy Joe <jpeters@hawk.depaul.edu>
Subject: Dead Can Dance
To: Ye Min Than <ymthan@iprolink.ch>

	I think Dead Can Dance would be a much better band if they didn't 
sing in their music.  The music is great!  It's just that when they start 
singing it gets worse.  I don't know.  Does his voice grow on you after a 
while or what?  Because right now it seems annoying.

Joe

On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Ye Min Than wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> 
> For those who like the group Dead Can Dance, there'll be a new album called
> "Future Music". It'll be released in April......
> 
> Ye Min Than
> 
> *****************************************
> 
> Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 
> 
> the classic of our times......
> 
> *****************************************
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:13:31 -0800
From: feszczak@sas.upenn.edu (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Subject: Dead Can Dance
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>        I think Dead Can Dance would be a much better band if they didn't
>sing in their music.  The music is great!  It's just that when they start
>singing it gets worse.  I don't know.  Does his voice grow on you after a
>while or what?  Because right now it seems annoying.
>
>Joe
>

Yes, Brendan Perry's voice has an inordinate capacity for killing a song.
He sounds like Neil Diamond on acid.

BUT:  Lisa Gerrard has one of the most extraordinary and beautiful
voices on record, with tremendous expressive range and power.
Listen also to her solo record, in addition to the DCD albums.

3MF

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:39:29 +0500
From: Brad Drake <bdrake@globalmail.globalvision.net>
Subject: Dead Can Dance Vocals
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I must disagree with u on that note...I think it is the originality of
Brendan Perry's voice that sets the music off.  I did not like it at first,
but it really grew on me.  I think it is great...I have three of the group's
CDs and love them all.

just my .02


later
"Never be afraid of what you don't understand....be more afraid of the
things that you do !!"

bdrake@globalvision.net
Brad Drake

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:15:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Crazy Joe <jpeters@hawk.depaul.edu>
Subject: Dead Can Dance Vocals
To: Brad Drake <bdrake@globalmail.globalvision.net>

Did you always believe this?  What about the first time you ever heard DCD?
Did you think his voice was fantastic then?  What I'm saying is did it grow
on you?  Is it possible for his voice to grow on you?

Crazy Joe

On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, Brad Drake wrote:

> I must disagree with u on that note...I think it is the originality of
> Brendan Perry's voice that sets the music off.  I did not like it at first,
> but it really grew on me.  I think it is great...I have three of the group's
> CDs and love them all.
> 
> just my .02
> 
> 
> later
> "Never be afraid of what you don't understand....be more afraid of the
> things that you do !!"
> 
> bdrake@globalvision.net
> Brad Drake
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 20:02:05 -0800
From: Adam <doochina@datatek.com>
Subject: Deep Forest and Strange Days
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hey all.
If anyone here owns the American version of the soundtrack to the movie 
Strange Days, they'll notice that there are two songs on the CD by Peter 
Gabriel and Deep Forest: Coral Lounge and While The Earth Sleeps.
I was wondering if anyone knows what language these songs are in, and 
where I could get some Deep Forest/Peter Gabriel CD's.
-Adam

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 14:42:58 +0000
From: Tom Donoghue <t.donoghue@rbh.nthames.nhs.uk>
Subject: Deep Forest and Strange Days
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

At 20:02 24/02/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Hey all.
>If anyone here owns the American version of the soundtrack to the movie 
>Strange Days, they'll notice that there are two songs on the CD by Peter 
>Gabriel and Deep Forest: Coral Lounge and While The Earth Sleeps.
>I was wondering if anyone knows what language these songs are in, and 
>where I could get some Deep Forest/Peter Gabriel CD's.
>-Adam
>
Hi Adam,
if you want to know more about Deep Forest , there's a web site devoted to
them with links to other groups of that ilk at http://www.best.com/~quad/

Tom.
"May We Live In Interesting Times"

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 11:08:52 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Different versions....
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,


Just to say that......

The soundtrack CD of "Sliver" features three Enigma songs. They are

- Carly's song
- Carly's Loneliness
- Principles of Lust(Radio Edit)

I think that CD is worth buying for all Enigmites because the songs are
different from the album. "Carly's song" is the actual "Age of Loneliness"
but with stronger beats, electric guitars and Gregorian Chants in it. The
are quite different I must say. "Carly's Loneliness" is a slow version of
the above two songs. It is a very beautiful slow song with piano and
pan-flute. It is quite different that we can say it is a complete new
track(i.e. like Sadeness and Sadeness Reprise on the album). It is not a
remix of "Age of Loneliness" but rather a slow song. Moreover, for those who
don't have the single CD of Principles of Lust, you can find it on the
"Sliver" soundtrack CD. 

I have a Special Limited Edition of "Cross of Changes" with three new
remixes. But that CD also features the new version of "I Love You...I'll
Kill You" where Michael sings "Bring her back.....bring her back.....". It
sounds so cool. I personally think this new version is better, more lively. 

In Australia, "Cross of Changes" appeared also with a different version of
"I Love You...I'll Kill You" where, I guess, Michael sings "You'll be fine".
Is it the same one from the Limited one????

Thanks

Ye Min Than

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Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

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Date: Sun, 01 Dec 1996 10:47:06 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Different versions....
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,

Yes, the single version of Principles of Lust appears on the "Sliver"
soundtrack album. In my "Sliver" CD, the tracks are as follow...

1.  UB40 - "Can't Help Falling In Love"
2.  ENIGMA - "Carly's Song"
3.  FLUKE - "Slid"
4.  MASSIVE ATTACK - "Unfinished Sympathy"
5.  LORDS OF ACID - "The Most Wonderful Girl"
6.  SHAGGY - "Oh Carolina"
7.  NENEH CHERRY - "More With Me"
8.  ENIGMA - "Principles of Lust(Radio Edit)"
9.  AFTERSHOCK - "Slave To The Vibe"
10. HEAVEN 17 - "Penthouse And Pavement"
11. THE YOUNG GODS - "Skinflowers"
12. VERVE - "Star Sail"
13. BIGOD 20 - "Wild At Heart"
14. ENIGMA - "Carly's Loneliness"

There are three Enigma songs and No.8 track is the single "Principles of
Lust". I bought my "Sliver" CD in Europe so I guess it differs from those of
US. That's may be the answer(however, on my CD , it is written "Virgin
Records America").......But for those who don't have the single version of
"Principles of Lust", they can get it on "Sliver" soundtrack CD instead of
looking for it everywhere. But again, the "Omen Mix" of Principles of Lust
is the best of all........

Yes, the song "I Love You...I'll Kill You" on Limited CD is different from
the original version. In the Limited version, Michael sings, "Bring her
back....bring her back....bring her back.....". Michael's vocal was added to
the song. It makes it better and complete. I love this Limited version very
much......It's so cool!!!

I also heard that "Cross of Changes" that was released in Australia features
the song "I Love You...I'll Kill You" with Michael singing "You'll be
fine.....you'll be fine....". I am not so sure about this though. But I read
from somewhere that, after the official release of "Cross of Changes",
Michael re-recorded the song "I Love You...I'll Kill You" and he himself
said, after several listenings, it became his favourite track!!!!! Michael
simply refered that version as "You'll fine" version and appeared in "Cross
of Changes" albums in Australia. I really don't remember where I got this
information because I read about Enigma in so many German and French
magazines that I don't recall where I got it. Maybe I got it from Enigma FAQ
or in Michael's letter to Gavin. I really don't remember........But if this
"You'll be fine" version is Michael's favourite, it must be also the
favourite of all Enigmites then...........!!!!!!!!!!!

And for those who like Jean Michel Jarre, there will be a new album this
summer, maybe in June. The album is not named yet but possibly it will be
called "Tolerance". I recently heard the latest album of Vangelis called
"Voices". It is very good but he also, like Jarre, is starting to use more
vocals in his albums, especailly in the song "Come to me". Having said that,
I really think it is Michael Cretu who broke the tradition and old rules by
mixing new and old, modern and ancient, electronic and vocal. And now
Vangelis and Jarre are starting to use more vocals in their albums too.
That's why when it comes to music, Michael Cretu is really second to
none........

Ye Min Than 

 

*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon of music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:13:10 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Different versions....
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi! Someone wrote:

> Yes, the single version of Principles of Lust appears on the "Sliver"
> soundtrack album. In my "Sliver" CD, the tracks are as follow...

[track listing deleted]

  There were 2 different versions of this album. Not all had the
"Principles of Lust" track. If memory serves me right, only the European
versions of the CD had this track.
 
> I also heard that "Cross of Changes" that was released in Australia features
> the song "I Love You...I'll Kill You" with Michael singing "You'll be
> fine.....you'll be fine....". I am not so sure about this though. But I read

  From what I've learnt only the first pressing of the European edition
of this album had the 'old' version of the track. If someone in
Australia can prove me wrong on this, please notify me! As for the
different versions, the 'new' version is EXACTLY the same as the old
except it ALSO has the "Bring her back" line..... In other words,
nothing is missing in the 'new' song.... it is just mixed different with
some samples/lines lower in volume, and with the additional vocals.

> of Changes" albums in Australia. I really don't remember where I got this
> information because I read about Enigma in so many German and French
> magazines that I don't recall where I got it. Maybe I got it from Enigma FAQ

  If you still have these clippings please notify me by personal email.

> And for those who like Jean Michel Jarre, there will be a new album this
> summer, maybe in June. The album is not named yet but possibly it will be
> called "Tolerance". I recently heard the latest album of Vangelis called

  You've been listening to the people on the JMJ mailing list too
much!!!!

> "Voices". It is very good but he also, like Jarre, is starting to use more
> vocals in his albums, especailly in the song "Come to me". Having said that,
> I really think it is Michael Cretu who broke the tradition and old rules by
> mixing new and old, modern and ancient, electronic and vocal. And now
> Vangelis and Jarre are starting to use more vocals in their albums too.

  They are, but not anywhere near in the same way as on Michael's
albums. Vangelis uses English sung vocals, not chants (although one
track on "Vocals" may be defined as a chant due to using a distinctive
English voice to say 'gibberish'). I haven't heard
real English vocals by Jarre at all! In fact the last time I heard his
use of vocals at all was on Zoolook. 


Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 96 18:45 +0300
From: alligator@glas.apc.org (Oleg Skrynnik)
Subject: Does anyone need lyrics of Enigma2?
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Guys,

I have complete lyrics of Enigma's "The CROSS Of Changes".
Does anyone need it?
Maybe  not  all  Enigma's  fans  has  a CD with lyrics. Write to me
and I'll send all texts from ENIGMA 2 to you with a pleasure!

Oleg.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:43:31 EST
From: "Peri , Jonathan E" <JPERI01@student.ucis.vill.edu>
Subject: Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi, I am Jon a new subscriber.  I had a few things I would like to 
write:  Firstly, for the truly fanatical who collect 
everything related to Enigma, you may find this distasteful but you 
will think it is interesting to know that an ad for the Enigma MCMXC 
a.D. VHS tape appered in a Playboy magazine, I cannot recall which 
month but I do remember that Gina Davis was on page 180 since I cut 
out the add and her face was on the back.

    Next, I do not know how many of you have studied Post-Modernistic 
philosophy but to breifly explain, a component of this describes 
humans as being past modern and creative and to a point of new 
creation.  This new creation is using components of the old.  For 
example a university building on my campus is beautiful yet 
different.  It is because there are parts where designs were taken 
from ancient times, modern times, columns, a greek center 
court, a glass roof pinnacle, etc.
    The point I am making is that it seems that Michael Cretu might, 
in a complementing manner, be called a "Postmodern Mozart" in that 
Cretu has the natural ability to make the most beautiful beat, a 
relaxing or exciting background, and etc.  The postmodern part comes 
into sights when one examines the overwhelming variety of samplings 
and noises and beats making a new creation.  He is at least a post-
modern composer.

    Lastly, my major is one whereby I study a variety of different 
major and minor world religions.  The Voice and The Snake in "Way to 
Eternity" from MCMXC a.D. is likely to be from Revelations as is 
stated on the Internet FAQ's page.  But upon further examination one 
would find that John, the supposed writer of Revelations, does in 
fact take a bulk of all that he writes from the Old Testament.  To 
cite this specific example, in Genesis there too is a Voice and a 
Snake.

Any requests for religious interpretation?

JP

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 19:41:10 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Yes, Please... I believe interpretaions of Enigma are always welcomed here. :-)

--Brandon
	

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:50:19 +0200 (EET)
From: Laura Porceddu <lau@vipunen.hut.fi>
Subject: Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Wed, 28 Feb 1996, Peri , Jonathan E wrote:
 
>     Next, I do not know how many of you have studied Post-Modernistic 
> philosophy but to breifly explain, a component of this describes 
> humans as being past modern and creative and to a point of new 
> creation.  This new creation is using components of the old.  For 
> example a university building on my campus is beautiful yet 
> different.  It is because there are parts where designs were taken 
> from ancient times, modern times, columns, a greek center 
> court, a glass roof pinnacle, etc.
>     The point I am making is that it seems that Michael Cretu might, 
> in a complementing manner, be called a "Postmodern Mozart" in that 
> Cretu has the natural ability to make the most beautiful beat, a 
> relaxing or exciting background, and etc.  The postmodern part comes 
> into sights when one examines the overwhelming variety of samplings 
> and noises and beats making a new creation.  He is at least a post-
> modern composer.
 

Your point of view is very interesting, but I am not sure if what you 
mean with "Postmodern Mozart"... because there is some small difference 
with postmodern from philosophical point of view and how it has resulted 
in different artforms.
In music field I think postmodern is already used, and intended for 
contemporary classical music, ( Arvo Part, C.Gorecki and so on..) so you 
cannot put Enigma under the same label, which is already in use, I think.

After the postmodern movement in arts and architecture there exists 
another called Neo-baroque interpretation, which might be more near of 
what you mean?
The similarities between the two, very shortly sayed, is that both take 
elements of old or ancient arts to put them together and obtain something 
new. The difference between the two is in the final meaning of taking 
old elements to put them togheter.  Difference is in the substance.
One borrows elements to form something new, and one borrows elements as 
the final meaning of the opera.

We could proceed asking what is the meaning of using borrowed elements 
from elsewhere, is it made as decoration/arrangement or does it communicate 
some specific meaning with it's referring to something ? 
More shortly: contents or form?
I am not able to answere, but I suppose the answere is an enigma again;)

I would be glad to hear opinions about this, but I imagine this can 
interest only someone who studyes history of arts, architecture,  
aesthetics or something like that...



Laura

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 11:56:13 EST
From: "Peri , Jonathan E" <JPERI01@student.ucis.vill.edu>
Subject: Enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Laura,
I have not studied Neo-baruch but you seem to have hit what I am 
meaning on the head.  This may be the reason that post-modernism has 
been called pastiche, whereas what you propose seems to indicate a 
truly meaningful form of using old components.

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:12:05 +0000
From: "jima" <jima@emery.etv.net>
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #283
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all    Welcome to February '96' as the countdown to Enigma III  
continues.   Hope all is well with all!!
     I wish to thank YE MIN THAN for the post on Michael Cretu's 
albums/cd's as I am now joining the search for more Michael Cretu.
I have yet to purchase any of Sandra's entries but have plans to do 
so in the near future. Any recommendations for the "best" cd to start 
with, most mirroring Michael and Sandras style(s)?! 
     Will await any responses either to my mailbox or the Enigma 
Digest....Thanks alot and it's a good place to be in touch with other 
Enigmites!!  
tnt  \\//.

Jim and Ellen Anderson

ax25   kg7bc@egate.nc7f.ampr.org
email  jima@etv.net 

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 22:24:58 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #283xiHi
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi! Jima asked:

> so in the near future. Any recommendations for the "best" cd to start 
> with, most mirroring Michael and Sandras style(s)?! 

  Hmmm, in my honest opinion the best non-Enigma album I've heard from
Sandra is "Close to Seven" and from Michael it is "Belle Epoque" (this
is from Cretu & Thiers, not just Cretu).

Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 16:34:49 -0700
From: Jim Anderson <jima@emery.etv.net>
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #294
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi ALL....A short note to toot some music stores and to say that Ellen 
and I
located some of the albums/singles you've been rattling about on the  
Digest.
     Yello "One Second"   been lookin for "Oh Yeah" for several years 
and it                           was on this CD.
            Located at:  Incredible Universe!!  The one in Orem,Utah USA
     Clannad "The Collection"  Great CD of pre-Enya 
               In the words of Tom Gorman:  Only a fool would dare to   
                    catagorize Clannad... too restless to belong among  
                     folkies, too earnest to be classed a rock band. 
But,                       freed at last by recognition, their creative 
instincts                       have found a new strength.
            Located at: Incredible Universe!!
 Now for the Real neat stuff!!
     
     Sandra "Everlasting Love"  a wild hair that really paned out super 
good
                                Thanks to the group and their           
                      suggestions...and of course to Micael Cretu       
                          and Sandra. 
            Located at Blockbuster Music in the Murray, Utah USA  area.
     Enigma "Return to Innocence" The Four cut remixes. Another stroke 
of                                   Genius!!
            Located at: Blockbuster Music
     Enigma "Out From The Deep" the Four cut remixes. Stroking Genius !!
            Located at: Blockbuster Music 
Thanks again to all who have helped with the suggestions and the 
information on these and the others mentioned....keep it up as we wait 
for the THIRD ENIGMA Experience!!   
    By the way, we are still waiting for CDNOW.COM  to pull through with 
the
first Enigma +4  cd....says still...processing.  tnt  \\//.

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:24:52 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #294
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Only a fool would dare to   
>catagorize Clannad... too restless to belong among  
>folkies, too earnest to be classed a rock band. 
 
So you like Clannad?  I have two of their CDs 1) Clannad "Anam" and 
2) Clannad Banba..  I've heard a song called "Harry's Game" and went 
out and bought a CDs, (wrong one, and the second one ended up being the 
right one..) I now have 2 of their Albums...   




        =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
        -=                ENIGMAX@IX.NETCOM.COM                 =-
        =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 07:12:19 -0700
From: Jim Anderson <jima@emery.etv.net>
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #297
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi All....
     Just recieved the MCMXC a.D. Limited edition  
 Great remixes on the +4 cuts....was definately worth the wait.
 CDNOW was the shipper on that for us...but don't depend on the
 data entries to kep you up to date....Like they said they're
 service is faster in most cases than their order updating for
 online checking.  Thanks again to Michael, Sandra, and the Digest
 Keep it up....
    Oh...and something I neglected to mention when I signed on the digest
 a couple of months or so ago, I also have the "ENIGMA the Videos (part I)
 which has Sadeness (part one) and Mea Culpa (part two), Interesting, to say 
the least....really like it....is there more videos out there and where might 
I find them?.  And I agree..Sandra is very little like Enigma cept for 
Michael's "engineering" I hope the fowl mouth will read more carefully next 
time. So far I like Sandra's music!  ;)       \\//. 
 
********* The Sum of Knowledge and Experience is Wisdom ****************
                (if you have the correct answer)

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:17:25 +0000
From: "jima" <jima@emery.etv.net>
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #302
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> 
> From: Marc Harris                       /   Racquetball Addict <cmh4993@silver.sdsmt.edu>
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:53:20 -0700 (MST)
> Subject: Re: Time to introduce myself.
> 
> Hi.
> 
> 	This is my intro:
> 
> 		Name:  Marc Harris
> 		Address:  2729 Maple Ave.
> 			  Rapid City, SD 57701
> 			  USA
> 		Phone:  (605) - 394 - 2882
> 		email:  cmh4993@silver.sdsmt.edu
> 
> 		Occupation:  Fool (student, senior year)
> 
> 	I subscribed to this newsgroup because I have heard one of 
> Sandra's songs (Midnight Man) and desperately want to acquire more of her 
> work.  My main interest in the group is therefore Sandra, but the 
> intelligent, thorough conversation of Enigma's music may inspire me to 
> purchase something of their manufacture.
> 
> 	By the way, if anyone has a way to acquire Sandra cd's from the 
> rural midwest (like South Dakota), I be most appreciative of any info.  
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> Marc
> 
> ------------------------------


Mark I have recieved somewhat slow but positive results from  
http://www.cdnow.com       I recieved the limited edition  First 
album in about five weeks.....from them to Utah.

> 
> From: <Steve_Court@ttsi#u#wells.ccmail.compuserve.com>
> Date: 26 Feb 96 14:36:13 EST
> Subject: Re : Time to introduce myself
> 
> From: "worthe" <worthe@email.averydennison.com> wrote 
> >Hi everyone,
> 
> >I've been on the Enigma-digest list for a while now but haven't got round 
> >to saying "hello". My name's Elliot, I'm 24 and a huge fan of Enigma. I'm 
> >working in Maidenhead, England in PC Support, have been for 11 months now.
> 
> >I started following Engima since 'Sadeness' so have been a fan since the 
> >start. Subsequenty my collection isn't too bad though I'm always on the 
> >look-out for more:
> 
> >Albums:
> >MCMXC a.D
> >Return to Innocence
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Sorry to be picky, but don't you mean 'The Cross of Changes' ?
> 
> So I'm not just posting nit-picking messages, here's a question for you 
> guys ;
> 
> What's the difference between the 'Limited Edition' of MCMXC a.d. and the 
> original, and likewise for the video release of the same name ?
> 
> I raise this 'coz these are now the only versions of MCMXC a.d. I can find 
> in the mainstream shops here.
> 
> 
> 
> Steve Court
> 
> steve_court@ttsi#u#wells.ccmail.compuserve.com 
> 
>      Steve....The difference (at least on the limited edition I 
have) is four remixes:    Sadeness (meditation)
                                      Mea Culpa (fading shades)
                                      Principles of Lust (everlasting 
                                              lust)
                                      The Rivers of Belief (the 
                                              returning silence)
  Well worth the wait and cost, as it was an Import to the US for me.
   It was obtained from CDNOW.COM

> From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:18:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: Time to introduce myself.
> 
> >     Vinyl 12":
> 
> Okay I'm going to sound really stupid now but what is Vinyl 12"?  I have no
> idea.  Is it like a record or something?  Pardon my stupidity.      -Nilay
> 
Nilay, I believe it refers to a now considered "obsolete medium", 
known as 12 inch vinyl recording disk, or "record"....you know,
the stuff your parents may have been using for their musical 
entertainment in the '70's. of course it's been around a lot longer 
than that.
> 
Sorry the response is a little late but I bet you have a good idea of 
what it is/was  now ; ) 
>
Thank you Gavin and all others for making this a worthwhile place to 
"hang my hat" if you will....have really enjoyed the time I spend 
reading and even sometimes replying to the Shared Experience of 
Enigma and Sandra on this forum.   : )       \\//.
tnt  \\//.

Jim and Ellen Anderson

ax25   kg7bc@egate.nc7f.ampr.org
email  jima@etv.net 

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 13:02:04 -0700 (MST)
From: rachelle@amug.org (Rachelle Hamblin)
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #302
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Marc wrote:

>>       I subscribed to this newsgroup because I have heard one of
>> Sandra's songs (Midnight Man) and desperately want to acquire more of her
>> work.  My main interest in the group is therefore Sandra, but the
>> intelligent, thorough conversation of Enigma's music may inspire me to
>> purchase something of their manufacture.

Hi Marc,

        I have to tell you that you will not regret purchasing "Enigma's
Music".  It captivates such deep emotional feelings and is so very
sensuos!:)  If you love Sandra's Music-She is great!:), I know that you'll
love Enigma too!:)

Love,

                     Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA


**********************************************
         ~Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin~
Secretary for Arizona Macintosh User's Group
             rachelle@amug.org
 AMUG Preferred BBS Address:Rachelle Hambli
  FHE-Deer Valley 2nd Branch Head Chairman
                  *Angel*
  *LOVE* is the Reason for Living!!!!!!!!!!
**********************************************

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:10:17 -0500
From: David B Little <dblittle@uncc.edu>
Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #303
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I've been watching the list from afar for a while now, so I thought now would
be a good time to introduce myself...

	My name is Brian Little, please call me Celt.
	E-mail is dblittle@uncc.edu
	I'm an Elec. Engineering student in NC.

I have listened to Enigma for about 2 1/2 years now, and I have found the 
music to be, well, just perfect...  I use it for relaxing, meditation, or 
even at parties...  It's the greatest music I've ever heard, and that's 
mainly why I joined this list, to discuss the music with others of similar 
tastes...  My collection pretty much stinks, but if any of you have ideas
to where I can get limited editions, new material, etc. in NC, please let
me know...


					Celt

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:45:16 MST
From: "Josh Johnson" <JJOHNSON@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us>
Subject: Enigma and Deep Forest...
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello Enigmites,

Even though Deep Forest has not been talked about too much lately, I am 
desperately on a rampage trying to find any videos of Deep Forest, such as 
Sweet Lullaby, Deep Forest, Marta's Song, and any others. I have 
downloaded the video samples off of the Sony Deep Forest web site, and I am 
glad I saw that sample, but I would like a copy of the whole video...
If anyone knows where I can find these, or get a copy, I would VERY 
grateful...

Also, if anyone knows where I can find any Enigma videos, besides the 
MCMXC a.D.,  Visions of Sadeness, Videos Pt. 1,  I am trying to find 
videos for Eyes of Truth, Return To Innocence, Out From The Deep, and any 
other songs from The CROSS of Changes.

About Michael Cretu getting sued again, I agree that it was probably some 
man in a suit coming up to that peasant and asking him if he wanted to be 
rich.... I think that it's sad that a money grubbing business man would 
want to sue Michael Cretu, who writes, produces, and sells the BEST music 
in the world. It's also sad that only now does this man come out and want 
money for use of his samples...

I LOVE Enigma's music, and I am just wondering if next time, Michael will 
take the time to have all of the samples credited in ENIGMA III, so that 
this won't happen again..

I am ANXIOUSLY awaiting the release, and information regarding the release 
of Enigma III, as well as the rest of us on this list...

Until next time.....


                              Josh Johnson
                         c/o Charles Johnson
                         San Juan High School
                             311 N 100 E.     
                         Blanding, Utah 84511  
                                e-mail:          
                   jjohnson@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us    
                  
                  
  ________________________________________________________________________
                   

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 13:31 +0300
From: alligator@glas.apc.org (Oleg Skrynnik)
Subject: Enigma FAQ ?!
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi to all!
In the Tushar message I've read about Enigma FAQ. What's this? Does
anybody know where I can get it? It's very interesting!
Bye,
Oleg.

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 13:50:39 +0000 (GMT)
From: Enigma <py3mwl@bath.ac.uk>
Subject: Enigma music in Germany.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I am currently on holiday and managed to find NO music anywhere in 
Stutgart from Enigma !. Where is it all??. Is there any good music like 
it I should look out for if I go shopping again tomorrow. Please email me 
soon if there is!
Marc


+--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
|      Mail from : Enigma              |  E-mail  :  py3mwl@midge.bath.ac.uk  |
+--------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+
|     Just because your Paranoid DOESNT mean that THEY'RE not AFTER YOU!!     |
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 23:20:23 +0100
From: Max <themax@mbox.vol.it>
Subject: Enigma or Enigma-like ?
To: Enigma mailing list <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Max has another important question, (but perhaps this is a stupid one)

I would like to know what are the difference (musically speaking) between 
the MaxiCD 'Carly's song' and the versions contained in the Sliver's soundtrack.

The MaxiCD 'Carly's song' is the only thing I miss from Enigma and I would like to
know about those difference because I have about 30 seconds of music I sampled, back in 1993,
from the the TV spot of the movie 'Boxing Helena' which is very Enigma-like (I can hear
Sandra breathing) but I don't know where it comes from (and I have ALL Enigma CDs
and Maxi CDs except the 'Carly's song' one)

I have watched the movie but there is no trace of THAT music in it   :(

Hi!


 **********************************
 **          (the) Max           **
 **  e-mail: themax@mbox.vol.it  **
 **********************************

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 19:41:46 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Enigma or Enigma-like ?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Max. You wrote:
 
> I would like to know what are the difference (musically speaking) between 
> the MaxiCD 'Carly's song' and the versions contained in the Sliver's soundtrack.

  There is no difference.


Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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**           e-mail:  gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au                      **
**              WWW:  http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps              **
**                                                                   **
**     ENIGMA WWW                                                    **
**   (Australiasia):  http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html  **
**  (United States):  http://www.spikes.com/enigma                   **
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:27:48 +0100
From: Max <themax@mbox.vol.it>
Subject: Enigma or Enigma-like ?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Gavin Stok wrote:

> 
>   There is no difference.
> 


So where does that music come from ?


May I download it to you, so you (or other) can tell me something about ?


The file is about 450KB long and it is in Microsoft WAV format (11025 Hz)


Thanks.

 **********************************
 **          (the) Max           **
 **  e-mail: themax@mbox.vol.it  **
 **********************************

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:14:42 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Enigma or Enigma-like ?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

You can upload to me !!!

--Brandon

At 01:27 PM 2/15/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Gavin Stok wrote:
>
>> 
>>   There is no difference.
>> 
>
>
>So where does that music come from ?
>
>
>May I download it to you, so you (or other) can tell me something about ?
>
>
>The file is about 450KB long and it is in Microsoft WAV format (11025 Hz)
>
>
>Thanks.
>
> **********************************
> **          (the) Max           **
> **  e-mail: themax@mbox.vol.it  **
> **********************************
>	

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:32:57 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Enigma or Enigma-like ?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi. You wrote:
 
> >   There is no difference.
> 
> So where does that music come from ?

  Huh? Where does what music come from? What I am saying is that the
version of "Carly's Song" on the Sliver soundtrack is identical to that
on the single. Carly's Song was used somewhere in the film (I never saw
it so don't know exactly where).
 
> May I download it to you, so you (or other) can tell me something about ?

  I can't personally because I don't have the ability to listen to it.
Also be careful about sharing these files because Mr. Copyright may tap
your shoulder! :) 


Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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**           e-mail:  gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au                      **
**              WWW:  http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps              **
**                                                                   **
**     ENIGMA WWW                                                    **
**   (Australiasia):  http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html  **
**  (United States):  http://www.spikes.com/enigma                   **
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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:21:06 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Enya
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Did anyone happen to catch the artical on Enya in the Boston Globe Newspaper
a few weeks ago?  It was very infomative and interesting.

nilay


             Nilay, the twin with punctuation's, 
                      Cool Qoute of the Day:             
    
                Old number theorists never die,
                they just get past their prime.

                                      ,.   '\'\    ,---.
     Quiet, Pinky; I'm pondering.    | \\  l\\l_ //    |  
            _              _         |  \\/ `/  `.|    |   
          /~\\   \        //~\       | Y |   |   ||  Y |
          |  \\   \      //  |       |  \|   |   |\ /  |   /
          [   ||        ||   ]       \   |  o|o  | >  /   /
         ] Y  ||        ||  Y [       \___\_--_ /_/__/
         |  \_|l,------.l|_/  |       /.-\(____) /--.\
         |   >'          `<   |       `--(______)----'
         \  (/~`--____--'~\)  /           U// U / \
          `-_>-__________-<_-'            / \  / /|
              /(_#(__)#_)\               ( .) / / ]
              \___/__\___/                `.`' /   [
               /__`--'__\                  |`-'    |
            /\(__,>-~~ __)                 |       |__
         /\//\\(  `--~~ )                 _l       |--:.
         '\/  <^\      /^>               |  `   (  <   \\
              _\ >-__-< /_             ,-\  ,-~~->. \   `:.___,/
             (___\    /___)           (____/    (____)    `---'

Artwork by Sean Gugler  sean@smos.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 17:13:36 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: Everlasting Love
To: "Enigma Mailing List" <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Hi!

Who knows how may versions of "Everlasting Love" there is ?

I've the following versions:
  Robert Knight    1967
  The Love Affair   1968
  Rex Smith and Rachel Sweet   19881
  Sandra              1988
  Worlds Apart     1994
  Gloria Estefan    1994


----------

Bye,
Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
Johnny wanna live
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sandra - Johnny wanna live

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 16:06:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Jaime Jo Mills <mill1209@kutztown.edu>
Subject: Everlasting Love
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I believe U2 did one too.

Jami
"Je veux aller au bout de mes fantasmes"
	-Enigma

On Wed, 21 Feb 1996, Andreas Bachmaier wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Who knows how may versions of "Everlasting Love" there is ?
> 
> I've the following versions:
>   Robert Knight    1967
>   The Love Affair   1968
>   Rex Smith and Rachel Sweet   19881
>   Sandra              1988
>   Worlds Apart     1994
>   Gloria Estefan    1994
> 
> 
> ----------
> 
> Bye,
> Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
> he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
> Johnny wanna live
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Sandra - Johnny wanna live
> 

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 19:22:16 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: Everlasting Love
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Andreas,

> Who knows how may versions of "Everlasting Love" there is ?

>> I've the following versions:
>>   Robert Knight    1967
>>   The Love Affair   1968
>>   Rex Smith and Rachel Sweet   19881
>>   Sandra              1988
>>   Worlds Apart     1994
>>   Gloria Estefan    1994

Billy Ocean and Howard Jones sung everlasting love, but I don't know exactly
if these are cover versions of The Love Affair ?

Greetings,

Gianni

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 20:26:35 +0000
From: "Richard Klemme" <rklemme@oznet02.ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Forwarded mail... (I Love You.. I'll Kill You)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> From:          Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
> Subject:       Forwarded mail...
> To:            enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
> Date:          Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:15:02 +1100 (EST)
> Reply-to:      Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> Hi All,
> 
> 	My name is Steve Martin (honestly), I live in the England, London.  I am 
> currently studying mechanical engineering at Portsmouth Southern England.  I am 18
> 
> 	I have:-	MCMXC a.d. CD Limited Edition
<snip>
> 	Singles:-	Return to Innocence CD
> 			Return to Innocence CD Special Edition
> 			Out from the Deep CD
> 			Age of Loneliness CD
> 			Age of Loneliness CD Special Edition
> 			I love You...I'll Kill You
> 			Sadeness Part 1 7"
> 			The Eyes of Truth
> 	Vid:-		MCMXC a.d.

I didnt know there was a single version of I Love You, Ill Kill You.
What mixes are on it??
Also what mixes are on the special editions of the singles listed 
above?
Finally, what is the video like (and what songs are contained on it?)


Thanx
Richard 

rklemme@ozemail.com.au		|   "I only wanted to be held...",	
Richard Klemme			|    "Well baby, u got the bonus plan" 
Melbourne, Australia		|
Home of '96 F1 Grand Prix	|	        Andrew Dice Clay 
 & The Ford Australian Open     |
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~rklemme   <---- NEW WEB PAGE ADDRESS!!

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:34:05 GMT0BST
From: Matt Gotts <EEYJGOT@een1.eee.nott.ac.uk>
Subject: Greetings!
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Well, it's time to introduce myself!  My name is Matt Gotts, I'm 20 
(nearly 21 - arrgh), and I'm a final year student at the University 
of Nottingham, England.  I first heard of Enigma when Sadeness came 
out, but it was a case of having heard the song I never found out 
who the artist was.  In my first year at Uni, I met someone who had a 
copy of MCMXC AD, limited or not I couldn't say, and of course heard 
Sadeness and finally of Enigma.  My collection of Enigma bits is:
ALBUMS:
    MCMXC AD Limited Edition (yeah right)
    Enigma 2 : The Cross of Changes
SINGLES
    Return to Innocence
    The Eyes of Truth *
    Age of Lonliness
    Out from the Deep *
    
    * means I bought these on import as they weren't released here, 
7.5 pounds each they cost!!

Anyway, must go, loads of the dreaded work thing to do.  Sigh!

TTFN
Matt

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 05:33:26 -0700
From: tran@netvoyage.net
Subject: Gregorian... where?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi I live in garden grove, california. I was just wondering if someone
might be able to let me know where to get these CDs:
*GREGORIAN: Sadisfaction
*Kaplle Antiqua (Gregorian choral as mentioned in Enigma's Homepage)
and which CDs of Dead Can Dance are good. Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 09:08:20 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: Gregorian... where?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

You wrote: 
>
>Hi I live in garden grove, california. I was just wondering if someone
>might be able to let me know where to get these CDs:
>*GREGORIAN: Sadisfaction
>*Kaplle Antiqua (Gregorian choral as mentioned in Enigma's Homepage)
>and which CDs of Dead Can Dance are good. Thanks.
>
>
>
Hey... There.. I used to live in Garden Grove... (Garden Grove Blv. and 
Euclid)... well you can find all them CDs at Tower Records in Newport 
Beach... where the Nike town is at... or the Warehouse.. or.. etc..


                                     \\|U|//
                                      \\|//
                                     @(* *)@
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                    E n i g m a X @ i x . n e t c o m . c o m 
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 19:46:22 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Gregorian... where?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>You wrote: 
>>
>>Hi I live in garden grove, california. I was just wondering if someone
>>might be able to let me know where to get these CDs:
>>*GREGORIAN: Sadisfaction
>>*Kaplle Antiqua (Gregorian choral as mentioned in Enigma's Homepage)
>>and which CDs of Dead Can Dance are good. Thanks.

I got mine at Sam Goody.

nilay


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
  Once you are a friend, you're a friend through and through.
					Miss Siagon

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 02:54:37 -0800
From: bagelboy@best.com (John G. Ingram)
Subject: Gregorian... where?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Ok, now I'm getting excited !!  What's this I hear about being able to get
the Gregorian CD in Garden Grove at Tower?  I've tried Tower in San
Francisco Bay Area and to no avail.

If anyone sees this CD, PLEASE contact me with the number of the store so I
can hold it and purchase it immediately.  Thanks!!!


JOHN G. INGRAM - San Francisco, CA

TEL: 415.673.5276
PGR: 415.809.1446 OR 800.971.9589

As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates
others. ~ Nelson Mandela, 1994 Inaugural Speech

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: jhosel@cmcvax.mckenna.edu
Subject: Gregorian... where?
To: "John G. Ingram" <bagelboy@best.com>

 I am also from the bay area (Alameda).  Try Rasputens, or tower records in 
Berkeley.  I think I remember seeing the cd there over winter break, and 
they (Rasputins) usually have everything (or know where you can find 
it).  Good luck!
Jenny Hosel

On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, John G. Ingram wrote:

> Ok, now I'm getting excited !!  What's this I hear about being able to get
> the Gregorian CD in Garden Grove at Tower?  I've tried Tower in San
> Francisco Bay Area and to no avail.
> 
> If anyone sees this CD, PLEASE contact me with the number of the store so I
> can hold it and purchase it immediately.  Thanks!!!
> 
> 
> JOHN G. INGRAM - San Francisco, CA
> 
> TEL: 415.673.5276
> PGR: 415.809.1446 OR 800.971.9589
> 
> As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates
> others. ~ Nelson Mandela, 1994 Inaugural Speech
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:57:51 -0600 (CST)
From: cha@stolaf.edu
Subject: Gregorian:Sadisfaction mail order???
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma ListServ)

Can anybody tell me once and for all how I can get Gregorian's
Sadisfaction by mail order, internet order, or any kind of order
besides buying from stores in CA or where have you.  I don't have the
luxury of having exotic import music stores anywhere i live.

Valeng
cha@stolaf.edu

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 23:54:06 -0500
From: kyler@awod.com (Kyle Richardson)
Subject: hello
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Name: Kyle Richardson
Age: 20
My Enigma collection contains the two albums and the special editions of
them. I also have the single of Sadness. I can't remember where I first
heard Enigma, but I remember hearing it on one of my friends dorm rooms one
time and saying to myself I had to go buy this cd in the morning. I
absolutly love Enigma. Enigma is my favorite musical 'group'. I do like alot
of new age such as Vangelis, Tangerine Dream, Deep Forest, B-tribe, Dead Can
Dance. I have just bought Tangerine Dream's new 'remix' album and it is
great. I also managed to pick up the latest Vangelis album which is of
course also great. I did have to search through the store to find the last
few remaining. They had been ransacked. Anyways I am a Electrical
Engineering major who wants to get into designing car stereo equipment.
Currently I'm working for my family (DON'T WORK FOR FAMILY!) scooping poop
and such at a kennel. Yee haw. In a few weeks I'll have a job working with a
computer and for more money and hours. Well any other interesting info? I'm
5'8", dark brown hair, brown eyes, hopefully inteligent as well as hopefully
funny. I own a 92 Civic hatchback that's slowly being customized so I can
take that special someone, who'll most likely be of asian descent and
inteligent. So anyone who wants a ride and comes down to Charleston SC, I'll
show you around and let you hear how Enigma sounds in my car. OH! And you
might want to bring earplugs :)

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:28:59 +0300
From: Sly Golovanov <enigma@sly.fupm.mipt.ru>
Subject: Hello
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>   Hi there Sly
>
>   Welcome to the Enigma list. I am also a big fan of Sandra.I have all her
>   records and some remixes also.
Pretty good collection :)
>   Is there good singer in russia? I mean singers that sing pop music like sandra?
No, of course, there is NO other singer like Sandra in the hole world :)
Actually, in Russia there is no so popular singer like Sandra. I wouldnt say
that Sandra is VERY populat here, but she's very well-known singer.
And do U know any pop singer from Russia? ;)
>   I usually like singer from europe like Modern talking Sandra Hubert Kah and
>   Nina Hagen.Do you know them?
I know Modern Talking, and as I think, all Russian pop had grown from their
music :) I no nothing about Hubert Kah and Nina Hagen.
>   I live in America But I prefer the music from other countries.
This is usual :) I like some Russian groups, but prefer to listen the radio
with foreign music.
>   The dance  music from europe is better than from here.
Hmm, can't recall any american dance group. I don't well-know them...
Masterboy, Corona, other stuff like this :) - they are all from the Europe,
aren't they?
>   I am from Brazil but I've been in america for the last 10 years.
Wow, that's hot country. (That's all I know about it ;) )
>   I love sandra and all her songs.My favorite is Sisters and brothers from
>   the Long Play albun and Shadows from the Close to Seven album.
I think there is no favorite songs for me - they all good :) I like
"Into a Secret Land" album more than others.
>   Anyway, I just wanted to say hi and welcome.
Hi! :) And bye!

> SLY <                        InterNet: sly@sly.fupm.mipt.ru
                               FidoNet: 2:5020/630.13

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 18:39:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Olivaw <gs04jaw@panther.gsu.edu>
Subject: Hello
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Sly!

Yes, I do know a really good singer from Russia... Milla Jovovich!

But she lives in the U.S. now.

Joe

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 09:03:44 EST
From: mclein@sbt.sbtinfo.com
Subject: Hello
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Greetings,

My name is Ian Mclein and I am new to the Enigma mailing list.

I am 25 years old and currently the MIS manager at the South Bend Tribune 
newspaper in South Bend, Indiana, USA.




Ian C Mclein
MIS Manager
South Bend Tribune

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:33:31 -0500 (EST)
From: CHRISTOPHER FINLAYSON F <cfinlays@elux3.cs.umass.edu>
Subject: Hello...
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello all, 

I just signed up to the mailing group and I'll "introduce" 
myself as suggested by the confirmation mail I got.  My name's Chris 
Finlayson; I'm 19 and am currently a student at University of 
Massachusetts, Amherst.  I'm not a die-hard Enigma fan, though I don't 
know if I've heard an album that is better than their "MCMXC a.D" 
release. I realize this is an Enigma mailing list, though I joined the 
group in order to hear people's comments/reccommendations on any other 
related music.

later,

Chris
cfinlays@student.umass.edu

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 20:50:18 -0500
From: lucas@generation.net (Martin Lucas)
Subject: Hello again !
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

        Hello everyone..

        Just want to say a quick HI !  I was on the mailing list a while
back but I switched InterNet provider and now I am back..

        GAVIN - Glad to see you are still alive and kicking... Can't wait
for Enigma III !!!  Good job on meeting the managers...


Marty Lucas
lucas@generation.net

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Date: 13 Feb 1996 19:49:28 CST
From: neuro@basinlink.com
Subject: Here's one I discovered by myself
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Well, I am a major Enigma fan ... and while searching the FAQ I found
that still of mystery were the words that were being sung in the
Gregorian Chants ... Well, I'd like to mention something that I didn't
find anywhere on the FAQ or mentioned in any of the messages that I've
ever read. <Proud smile> All that is being chanted by the monks is not
in fact words, but there was a bit of altering done to the chants <good
altering, though>. Some of the chants are played and then played
backwards later in the song. In the Principles of Lust, my favorite part
is at 8:00 minutes <blush>, and I love listening to it. Well, one day I
was messing around with my Soundblaster and listening to Enigma <of
course!> So I decided to record the track to mess with it <add echo,
etc>. Imagine my surprise when I recorded the first few seconds of the
chants <at the begining of the track, not at 8:00 min> and then played
it backward to find that the chant backwards was EXACTLY what one hears
later on in the Song at exactly 8:43 in the song.

Well, Just thought I'd bring some discussion to life by sharing a secret
that I haven't heard anywhere else. (Boy I feel proud of myself).

By the way ... Enigma doesn't sound all that bad backwards ... odd ...
But somehow not surprising (Considering Enigma is the best sound on the
planet!)

                                            -Neuromancer

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:30:07 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: Here's one I discovered by myself
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

You wrote: 
>
>Well, I am a major Enigma fan ... and while searching the FAQ I found
>that still of mystery were the words that were being sung in the
>Gregorian Chants ... Well, I'd like to mention something that I didn't
>find anywhere on the FAQ or mentioned in any of the messages that I've
>ever read. <Proud smile> All that is being chanted by the monks is not
>in fact words, but there was a bit of altering done to the chants 
<good
>altering, though>. Some of the chants are played and then played
>backwards later in the song. In the Principles of Lust, my favorite 
part
>is at 8:00 minutes <blush>, and I love listening to it. Well, one day 
I
>was messing around with my Soundblaster and listening to Enigma <of
>course!> So I decided to record the track to mess with it <add echo,
>etc>. Imagine my surprise when I recorded the first few seconds of the
>chants <at the begining of the track, not at 8:00 min> and then played
>it backward to find that the chant backwards was EXACTLY what one 
hears
>later on in the Song at exactly 8:43 in the song.
>
>Well, Just thought I'd bring some discussion to life by sharing a 
secret
>that I haven't heard anywhere else. (Boy I feel proud of myself).
>
>By the way ... Enigma doesn't sound all that bad backwards ... odd ...
>But somehow not surprising (Considering Enigma is the best sound on 
the
>planet!)
>
>                                            -Neuromancer
>

Good Job, I'll check it out, I've got 1.3 gigs of HD, and I'll record 
bunch of stuff and I'll mix them together, backwards, etc...  Well I 
better hit them FAQs cuz there's important stuff out there.. 
                See ya..!




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              ##    E n i g m a X @ i x . n e t c o m . c o m   ##
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 01:44:13 -0500
From: Depeche18@aol.com
Subject: Here's one I discovered by myself
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

In a message dated 96-02-13 21:43:14 EST, you write:

>
>Well, Just thought I'd bring some discussion to life by sharing a secret
>that I haven't heard anywhere else. (Boy I feel proud of myself).
>
>By the way ... Enigma doesn't sound all that bad backwards ... odd ...
>But somehow not surprising (Considering Enigma is the best sound on the
>planet!)
>
>                                            -Neuromancer
>
>

I'm sorry but I have found this out for the last 3  years now using a regular
tape, and slicer and lot's of patience. I thought people on the list knew
this already. Oh well....

Chan
Depeche18@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:27:54 -0600
From: synaptik@why.net (synaptik)
Subject: Here's one I discovered by myself
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>You wrote: 
>>
>>Well, I am a major Enigma fan ... and while searching the FAQ I found
>>that still of mystery were the words that were being sung in the
>>Gregorian Chants ... Well, I'd like to mention something that I didn't
>>find anywhere on the FAQ or mentioned in any of the messages that I've
>>ever read. <Proud smile> All that is being chanted by the monks is not
>>in fact words, but there was a bit of altering done to the chants 
><good
>>altering, though>. Some of the chants are played and then played
>>backwards later in the song. In the Principles of Lust, my favorite 
>part

Actually, they are words-- latin words.  I don't know latin, so I can't
translate, but I know a little, and I can definately make out the latin for
"christ" and the word "amen."

By the way-- you've got it backwards.  They are forward at the beginning,
and backwards at 8:43.   ;)






----
"These opinions are my own, and not Cirrus Logic's--- but I'm working on
that problem."
----
Ryan V. Bissell
synaptik@whytel.com
rbissell@pixel.cirrus.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:42:43 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Interview with Enigma and Sandra's manager
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Gavin wrote:

>Sandra's Fading Shades album was a pretty major flop in Europe. I'm sure
>that people on the Enigma Mailing List have their theories for why this
>happened!

Hmm...I believe this is because the album "Fading Shades" was mainly
composed by Jens Gad and not Michael Cretu. Michael only co-composed the
song "First Lullaby" with Jens Gad and that song was dedicated to their twin
children. Jens Gad is a good composer but well, who can match the calibre of
Michael???:) Jens Gad's style and composition are conventional, and too much
of dance-like. The album is not strong and distinctive enough to stand in
front of others. They are far from the quality of Michael's "touch". To make
my point clearer, just compare the album "Fading Shades" with "Close to
Seven" album which was the last Sandra album fully composed by Michael
Cretu. Just compare the two and you'll see "great" differences. This clearly
show how much Michael Cretu is vital!!!

Michael is surely aware of this and since "Cross of Changes" he didn't
composed for anyone.(Except for Sandra's "First Lullaby" song and Maggie
Reilly's "Every Single Heartbeat" song). During these three years he almost
done any other tracks or released any CD. I assume that he is devoting
himself to the new Enigma III all these times by putting all his creativity
and ideas in it. For sure, Enigma III will be very very good and so let's
wait and see until April announcement!!!!!

Ye Min Than 

*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:34:47 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Interview with Enigma and Sandra's manager (finally!)
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

After much delay (sorry people!) here is the documentation I have
written about my meeting with the manager of Enigma and Sandra. It was
held in Munich on January 15, 1996. Enjoy!

Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

PS - It is also on the WWW site!

***


             SUMMARY OF MEETING WITH MANAGER OF SANDRA AND ENIGMA
                                       
                          (GERMANY, JANUARY 15 1996)
                                       
   While visiting Europe in January I decided to try and arrange a
   meeting with the manager of Enigma and Sandra in Munich, Germany. I
   was lucky enough to get him on the one day during the whole of January
   that he'd actually be in the office! Due to time restrictions he said
   that he'd be able to spend no more than 30 minutes with me but the
   meeting ended up going for 45 minutes. Below is a summary of the
   information learnt:
     _________________________________________________________________
   
The Manager

     * Currently manages Michael Cretu and Sandra Cretu. He also managed
       Hubert KaH until 2 years ago.
     * Lives in Munich and has done so for many years.
     * Met Michael when he lived in Munich during the 1980s. He used to
       go to local bars and clubs and it is here that he met Michael and
       became friends with him. Things followed through and he became his
       manager.
     * Has been Michael's manager for 12 years now.
       
Mambo Musik

     * It is here that all Enigma and Sandra's management and
       representation is done. It is located in Munich, Germany.
     * The company was recently sold off to Sony (I'm not sure if it's in
       part or whole). Sony does not work quite the way that Mambo does
       and it was expected that Michael and Sandra would lose their
       manager as a result. As this was a big issue to them, part of the
       sale was became based on Michael and Sandra retaining their
       manager, showing the closeness they have.
     * The offices are layered with gold albums, cassettes, and CDs, 80%
       of which are of Sandra or Enigma (Mambo represents other artists
       too). Every time a gold CD or whatever is released the Cretu's
       will have one in their house and Mambo will have one in their
       offices. Anyone who's seen Enigma specials on TV will appreciate
       how many gold issues exist!
     * The only evidence of Sandra or Enigma in their manager's office is
       a poster from Sandra's Close to Seven album and various folders
       labelled Enigma Audit, Enigma II, Enigma Master + Publishing, and
       Enigma III. The last of these is the one we'd all love to have a
       look at right now!
       
Enigma I and II

     * Contrary to popular belief these albums were not planned as
       concept albums until the media jumped on a bandwagon and said they
       were! It was then decided that they would promote it this way.
     * For the release of each of these albums the media were given a
       period of roughly 14 days to interview Michael. They had to fly
       themselves out to Ibiza (where he lives) and they were only given
       half an hour. Michael would do one or two of them daily, with
       journalists from a particular country each day. The same will be
       occurring for Enigma III. Other than this, Michael does not give
       interviews!
       
Enigma III

     * Unfortunately things are still very tight-lipped about its
       release. However it is now known that the title of the album has
       been determined, as have the song titles, the overall concept of
       the album, cover artwork, and so on. Joking around about hassling
       Enigma and Sandra's manager in April (which is when he will be
       willing to release information), he seemed quite willing to let us
       know of what he has to offer and help as best he can.
       
Hubert KaH

     * Hubert KaH is not dead! As some of you know, a single was released
       late last year and a new album is due out this year. It will be on
       Polygram records.
       
Michael Cretu's Relationships

     * It is now confirmed that Michael Cretu and Frank Peterson are not
       doing any work for each other anymore. They had a big split after
       the release of MCMXC a.D. The only information I got about it was
       that it was because of major artistic differences.
     * Michael is good friends with Peter Cornelius who helps him a lot
       with the guitar aspects of his songs. He would not elaborate how
       much so this was in Enigma III!
       
Sampling

     * The issue of sampling is very important to Mambo Musik. They
       acknowledged that some samples are not mentioned in the CD
       booklets but this is because of license agreements stating that
       they do not have to. Their major concern is of commercial rip-off
       artists who steal the samples and try to quickly release a song to
       'cash in' on the popularity of the first single from a new album.
       Evidence of this was apparent with the release of MCMXC a.D. and
       Mambo does not want to see it happen again. Linked with this Mambo
       raised some concerns with the Enigma Mailing List which will be
       discussed in another forum.
     * As Mambo is not currently on the Internet they are fairly blind of
       the potential of World Wide Web sites and the possibility to
       sample full songs and so on. However it seems apparent that this
       will be of concern to them and will be discussed with them in
       future as it is believed that they may be looking into getting
       into this area.
       
Other

     * Sandra's Fading Shades album was a pretty major flop in Europe.
       I'm sure that people on the Enigma Mailing List have their
       theories for why this happened!
     * Michael and Sandra visited Australia in early 1995 (at the time
       when New South Wales was having major bushfires). They were here
       for 3 weeks staying with an architect/interior designer friend in
       Sydney and also visiting the Northern Territory (Kakadu, Ayers
       Rock, etc.). They enjoyed their time greatly and plan on
       returning.
     * The house that the Cretu family currently live in is a relatively
       small 16th century place. With the new children and the need for
       more room they are currently building a bigger house 20kms away
       from their old one. It is being designed and built with the help
       of their friend in Sydney mentioned above.
       
   
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   Well that's all the information I have written down and can remember!
   The whole meeting was very positive and I left the building feeling
   that I had a good relationship with the manager. He made it known that
   our presence is well known to both himself and the Cretu family (he
   joked that when they read the FAQ that they were reading about things
   that even they didn't remember!) and that they are more than willing
   to support us in the future. I was glad that he raised some issues
   with me and asked some questions of me. Overall I think the support
   that Mambo is offering is strong and will continue that way.
     _________________________________________________________________
   
   The contents and layout of this page are Copyright 1996 Gavin Stok.
   Permission must be sought before linking to or taking the code.
   
   
    gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
    
   February 25, 1996

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 04:32:04 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Interview with Michael Cretu.....
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,


I recorded an interview with Michael Cretu on Eurpean/French MTV. It
appeared at "Late Night MTV News". The actual interview was conducted in
1994 after the album of "Cross of Changes" came out. The whole interview
lasted around 10 minutes and it was taken place at Michael's resident at
Ibiza island. I thought it's very interesting so here it is!!! First of all,
I'll like to say that the words between quotes "..." are Michael's own words
in the interview, nothing but his own words. When taking my notes about the
interview, I had to stop, play, pause, play, pause again the tape to catch
everything he said. I hope it's worth the efforts.....:)

The interview started with seen Michael's villa and inside his resident. The
walls are full of platinum and gold CDs. And there are also posters of
Gregorian monks and those pictures that we can find in "Cross of Changes" CD
booklet. The living room is a moderate-side one with a billiard table(made
of transparent glass I think) at the corner. And then the interview showed a
glimpse of his swimming pool. The interview was shoot in his home, studio,
and balcony. In his studio, there is a huge mixing table with all the lights
and buttons(I think the mixing table is a "Euphonix" one, I am not sure
though as I could not see the label very well). Above it were three
Macintosh computers running "Notator Logic" and two large speakers. On the
side of that huge mixing table was Michael's Korg synthesizers. And at the
end of his studio, there was a TV. That's as far as they showed about
Michael's studio. The song and video of "Return to Innocence" came from now
and then and also glimpses of Ibiza beaches, buildings and mountains. At the
end, they showed Michael playing "Silent Warrior" on his mixing table. As
for what he said......

"I listened today my first album...it seems so light and so easy compared to
the new one(Cross of Changes)...The new one is much more dramatic...it is a
bit darker....."

"It was very clear for me from the very first moment that it(new album) will
be completely different...I hate to copy myself but everybody expect that
Gregorian Chants are coming back.....No!(laughs) they'll never come back....."

"The overall theme is maybe the return to innocence...because what I tried
to symbolize is that, I think, every human being when they see the
first-time daylight...it's innocent in a way that it has no bad attitude..."

"That's why I said look into your heart...it's the return to yourself, the
return to how you came to earth....."

"I can help people only to think about themselves, about their lives, about
their anticipations...maybe to change something...and I think I did
something good with this album(Cross of Changes)....."

"The lyrics are like the mirrors of my soul, my thoughts...and probably it
help me a lot that in a very quiet place where I could start to concentrate
and listen to my inner voice, you know....."

"To be honest, I would prefer not to sit here today and give you the
answers...and that was the reason why I started this and I said 'Let the
music speaks it own language' and I am not important at all....."

"As long as the project(Enigma) is the star and I am only the father of the
project, it's ok...when the situation would changed then I have to
escape(laughs)....."

"Yes, I played on my mixing table in my studio...it's a tool but it's a tool
who is my friend and not my enemy(laughs).....It's very hard til, you know,
you have something in your mind and in your fantasy and til you can touch
it(music)...I mean it's a really long long way....." 

"I work best when I am alone...in my studio where all my buttons, my
computers and everything I need is there......"


This is it my friends. The interview ended with Michael playing "Silent
Warrior" on his mixing table(God knows how much it costs:)

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 17:03:56 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Interview with Michael Cretu.....
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all! Ye wrote:

 
> I recorded an interview with Michael Cretu on Eurpean/French MTV. It
> appeared at "Late Night MTV News". The actual interview was conducted in
> 1994 after the album of "Cross of Changes" came out. The whole interview
> lasted around 10 minutes and it was taken place at Michael's resident at
> Ibiza island. I thought it's very interesting so here it is!!! First of all,

[interview deleted]

  All this information comes from a 15 minute video called "The Cross of
Changes: The Official EPK" (EPK = Electronic Press Kit) which was
released by Virgin... I'm not sure if the version on Europe MTV was
edited or not, but one day I'll get around to describing and
transcribing the whole video I got from Enigma's manager which is
definitely the complete version (Ye covered the good bits!!). This video
was never released for public sale btw.


Cheers
Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 18:53 PST
From: ncutler@island.net (Neil Cutler)
Subject: Interview with Michael Cretu.....
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

The problem with living in North America huh? we never hear about these
interviews :( ;)

Whoa, if Michael ever invites someone from the list to visite (which we all
wish would happen) Ye's gotta go, we know he'll fill us in :) thanks Ye.


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IRC Handle: LienKlaw                             equestrian fan & rider
Enigma fan & Mac techno geek himself!          Mia,"Oh sure, now he's riding
http://www.island.net/~ncutler/                    "somebody else as well,
                                                   "there's not going to be
"Term's over, now give me a challenge" :(          "as many carrots for
me."
"Breaking Windows isn't just for kids anymore..."

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 16:55:16 -0600
From: kham@gatewest.net (Kham S.)
Subject: Intro
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hey all!

I used to be on this list a while back but let me re-introduce myself anyways.
My name's Kham Sonethavilay, 17,from Winnipeg, Canada.I guess it was many
years back when my cousin asked me if i wanted to listen to a cassette she
just bought.Unsure if how i would react, she warned me that i might not
like this new "type" of music. At first, i thought it was only those new
age music types but then the rhythm or beat caught my attention.The strange
combination of modern beats with religious chanting really got me into it.
>From then on, my interests started to expand into many other related
musical arts such as Deep Forest, Delerium, etc. As for now, i've only got
Enigma MCMXC AD, Enigma Cross of Changes, Enigma Mea Culpa Part II and Deep
Forest Boheme. I'm anxiously awaiting Enigma III!

So that's about it,,,oh, does anyone know when it will be released?

<-------------<<*>>------------->
   kham@gatewest.net {Kham S.}

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 14:48:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Tekno <martoran@cnu.edu>
Subject: Intro
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

*  Name : Jeremy Martorano

*  Age :21

*  What is in your Enigma collection :
     MCMXC A.D., The Cross of Changes, CD singles Age of 
loneliness,Return to Innocence, 12" single - Sadeness  

*  Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are:
     I first heard Enigma on the radio when it frist came out here in the 
US, I guess 9 or 10 years ago.  Then forgot about it, until 6 years ago when I
heard it again and have been on a quest eversince to find more like it.

*  Other artists you like:  
     Deep Forest, B-tribe, Aphro Head, and anyother Ambient group.  I 
especially love DEEP HOUSE

*  What course or job you're doing (if any)
     Communications major, ALso Lighting Designer/technician at local 
night club.  I also DJ there sometimes, mostly house and NRG.


** anyone interested in swapping vinyl (deep house/ Ambient) eme.**

Peace

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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to bear Artillery."  Robin Williams  

Jeremy "Tekno" Martorano 
(804) 931-0873
448 Putney Ln  
Newport News VA 23602  
http://www.cnu.edu/~martoran  (home)
http://www.cnu.edu/~martoran/cki.html  (Circle K)

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 21:13:32 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: Intro
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I will take this time, to introduce myself to all the
"Enigma" fans out there in the world.  My name is Nicolae
Popescu Jr.,  and I am only 18 years old.  I was born in
Romania, than moved to Greece in 1989, stayed there for about 2
years and than moved to US, California... and here come the fun
part.  Here around 92 I believe, the Enigma song<s> came out.
It was very hard to hear it, or listen because barley any
station would play the album, or songs, till I had my hands on a
tape... I would play it, and play it and play it over and over
again.. I'd never get bored..  I would use it to relax, turn off
all lights, etc.. Than I found out from other people, about
Michael Cretu (Curly) where he was born, (Romania) than he moved
to France, and got married with a French lady and than *BOOM*
created Enigma... I couldn't believe it.. I'd never thought we
can come up with such of sounds, and type of chant/music..

I liked it so much, I started a BBS (Bulletin Board
System) of my own, and didn't know what to name it, and I named
it ENIGMA, and as you can see now, even my current alias on
Internet is EnigmaX (the X had to add it, do to the alias
already taken.. boo!)  Well I liked so much, I bought both
albums, =Enigma MCMXC a.D. and Enigma 2 The CROSS of Changes=
and I now was looking for a new release... but none yet..

Very odd, music, love it, so are other ones, We even
used it in school, to relax and do our homework... I also have
Deep Forest.. which I first saw the video on BET (Black
Entertainment Television) and wrote the name and song down, and
went out and bought it.  I also like Alegria Cirque Du Soleil
bought it while playing demo in the store.. and than I have
CLANNAD (two of their hits) and so on, I have a collection of
150 CDs and still growing.. I have all kinds of category of
music except country music.

At this time, I only go to school, and part time, I'm being taught how 
to program JAVA and HTML lang. so I can help few people on creating Web 
pages..   Which in the future I'm interested in Computer Graphics, 
Computer Science, Computer Multimedia....

My Free time, I go surfing, body-boarding, snowboarding, I sometimes at 
night go kick it on Main Street, by the beach and have some Expresso..


                                                  Well That's All
                                             <EnigmaX@ix.netcom.com>

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 13:36:57 -0800
From: ejmiller@scn.org (Ed Miller)
Subject: intro
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Well, I've been sitting here and reading for teh past couple days and 
thought I'd finally get around to saying some things about mysself.  :)

My name is Ed Miller.  I live in Seattle "home of, to my dismay, grunge 
music", Wa (USA).  I turned 24 this past January, and like evryone else 
on the list I enjoy Enigma...

Currently I'm planning on going back to school to get my AA after having 
dropped out about 4 1/2 years ago.  Have no idea what sort of majors I 
want, but I'll burn that bridge when I come to it...

I've been listening to Enigma ever since "MCMXC AD" came out in stores 
over here (I was working in a music store and we were playing the demo 
copy, and I fell in love with it).  My collection is very small, 
consisting of only the two commercial albums, and CD singles for 
'Sadeness', 'Mea Cupla', 'Carly's Song', and 'Return To Innocence'.  Even 
though I'm a BIG fan, I wouldn't say I'm a die-hard fanatic (otherwise I 
would have bought all the Euro imports of the singles, plus a few other 
goodies).  Hard to say which album was better... they were both quite 
good (the first having a "Western religious" feel to it, the 2nd having 
an "Eastern religious" feel to it).  But I think my favourite song would 
have to be 'The Rivers Of Belief"...

I like a lot of varius music (can't stand rap, or country/western, or 
most of today's "pop" music).  I'm a BIG fan of most early '80s stuff 
[re: '80 - '86].  Bands of note for me would be All About Eve, Tori Amos, 
Art of Noise, Kate Bush, Depeche Mode, Erasare, Frankie Goes To 
Hollywood, Sarah McLachlan, New Order, Nine Inch Nails, Pet Shop Boys, Pink 
Floyd (and solo members), Police, R.E.M., Sting, 10,000 Maniacs... I also 
enjoy classical musicians (mainly the big & overbearing ones like 
Beethoven, Wagner, Strauss [Jr.], Vivaldi, Tchaikovsky, Mozart)

So there ya have it...  :)



--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 "Whoso pulleth this linoleum knife from this mailman is rightwise
      king born of England!" -- Max, of "The Freelance Police"
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 19:17:11 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Intro (fwd)
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I am 21, studying 4th year psychology at newcastle Uni. Heard of Enigma 
by accident and fell in love with it instantly.

I am not content with only 2 albums tho :), so am eagerly awaiting their 
next one -though the remix first album in my opinion is BY FAR the 
best-.

-incidentally, do you know why they used the eziekiel image in the cross 
of changes booklet? This amazed me when i saw it!-

And once again, can you suggest any good Enigma type music cds that i 
can grab here in AUS? I am thikning of ordering the "semantic spaces" 
one...I prefer the sounds of enigma 1 (eg, chior, chamber music with 
bass :) )

Later,

DAVE

----- End of forwarded message from david lyons -----

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:23:31 -0500 (EST)
From: GWILLOUGHBY@lakers.lssu.edu
Subject: Intro (fwd)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

 
    IN reply to the message following- Ive found that the groups the Orb 
and the Orbital have quite a few songs that sound like Enigma- and the 
rest of the music that doesnt compare is really good.  To start out try 
Orbital's brown album and The Orb's Adventures beyond the 
Ultraworld--later Greg Willoughby

On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Gavin Stok wrote:

> I am 21, studying 4th year psychology at newcastle Uni. Heard of Enigma 
> by accident and fell in love with it instantly.
> 
> I am not content with only 2 albums tho :), so am eagerly awaiting their 
> next one -though the remix first album in my opinion is BY FAR the 
> best-.
> 
> -incidentally, do you know why they used the eziekiel image in the cross 
> of changes booklet? This amazed me when i saw it!-
> 
> And once again, can you suggest any good Enigma type music cds that i 
> can grab here in AUS? I am thikning of ordering the "semantic spaces" 
> one...I prefer the sounds of enigma 1 (eg, chior, chamber music with 
> bass :) )
> 
> Later,
> 
> DAVE
> 
> ----- End of forwarded message from david lyons -----
> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:04:47 EST
From: tushar@ulysses.att.com
Subject: Introducing myself....
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello Enigmites,

Namaste.

>> As a new member of the list I'd love for you to introduce yourself since it
>> is a great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your
>> presence. Information you should include are:
>> 
>> *  Name
>> *  Age
>> *  What is in your Enigma collection
>> *  Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are
>> *  Other artists you like
>> *  What course or job you're doing (if any)
>> *  Any other interesting information you wish to share
>> 
>> Gavin Stok

...............................................................................
*  Name : Tushar.

*  Age : 24.

*  What is in your Enigma collection : MCMXC a.D.

*  Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are
   I heard MCMXC a.D in Jan 1994 at Bombay, India.
   Unfortunately, I could not find any whereabouts of this project till
   yesterday(Feb 01, 1996), when I accidentally stumbled upon the Enigma
   web-site. Meanwhile, I have been listening to MCMXC a.D for the last
   2 years, day-in and day-out.
   That goes on to say how much of a fan(atic) I am.

*  Other artists you like
   Symphonies of Mozart, Beethoven and Vivaldi, Madonna.

*  What course or job you're doing (if any)
   I have a Master of Science(Computer Science) degree from New Jersey, USA.
   I am working in AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ, as a software
   professional for the past year.
   My work area is Object Oriented Programming(C++).

*  Any other interesting information you wish to share
   I am interested in "abstract" music(that's my term as I couldn't find
   any other word that came closer), i.e. music preferably devoid of human
   voice and conventional instruments that makes the listener feel the
   depths of of his/her mind.
   I used to practice meditation for about 14 years(and still do, though not
   as often) and every time I hear MCMXC a.D, I feel the same sense of being
   detached from the body as one gets during and after meditation.
   I would highly appreciate if any of you could refer me to such music.
...............................................................................

I would like to thank Gavin for his hard work in preparing the Enigma FAQ.

Glad to be on this mailing list. Hope to hear from(and meet) each of you soon.

Dhanyavaad.

Best Regards,
Tushar.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 21 Feb 1996 13:25:14 +0100 (MET)
From: vblock@fwi.uva.nl (Vincent M. Block)
Subject: introduction
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

My name is Vincent Block, i'm 20 years old and my English is rather poor, so excuse me for that.
In my Enigma Collection I only have the two limited editions (MCMXC a. D and The Cross Of Changes). In a week or two I expect to get a single cd of Mea Culpa from a friend.

There aren't very much particular artists I like. The more I like are particular songs from different artists. So there is said in the FAQ of enigma that Deep Forest is a related group and that's exactly how I think about that, only enigma is much better. At home I also have the cd Sacred Spirit and I think it's also a bit related to enigma (but very boring when listening the whole cd at once).

I am a student of the University of Amsterdam and I'm studying Computer Science. It's my first year so I still don't know a lot of it. So if you want to ask somebody about computers, please don't take me :) .

Vincent

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 15:39:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Manset Nadine <mansetn@ere.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Introduction + question
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi everyone,

this is my first post to this list, altough I have subscribed a few weeks 
ago... didn't really have anything interesting to say... didn't really 
have the time to introduce myself... but I was lurking... :-)

My name is Nadine, and I'm twenty-something... I'm doing a PhD in 
astrophysics at Universite de Montreal, in Montreal, Quebec, (Canada).

The first time I listened to Enigma, I was with a friend who made me 
listen to the two CDs, and since French is my first language, well, 
I didn't have *any* trouble understanding what the lady was saying in 
MCMXC ad ;-)... 

Then, as soon as I could, I bought the 2 CDs. That's all I have for now, 
and for the moment, I'm satisfied with what I have.

I like and listen to classical music a lot. Other than Enigma and 
classical music, I like Pink Floyd and sound tracks from SF movies 
(I know, I konw, strange mix...). I sometimes listen to Vangelis, 
Jean-Michel Jarre, Enya... but that's about it. 

The first time I listened to Enigma's music, I found the use of Gregorian 
and native chants very imaginative and interesting... Then I discovered 
the different beats, and I found the whole thing very refreshing and new. 
That was my first impression: it was the first time I was listening to 
music which sounded like "that", something different. I was pleased. I was 
charmed. I was hooked! ... and still am!

After this introduction and comments, I have a question I hope is 
interesting...

Am I imagining things, or does the second CD (Cross of Changes) starts with 
exactly (or almost) the same music the first one ended with??
I think that's a nice thing... it gives some sense of continuity to the 
music, even if the 2 CDs are different in some aspects... It's a nice 
touch. It's original. I like that.

Then, I'm wondering... will the 3d CD start with the music that was at 
the end of the 2d? hummm... anyone want to bet? :-)

Nadine Manset, The Beastmaster.
Universite de Montreal, Departement de physique
mansetn@ere.umontreal.ca
manset@astro.umontreal.ca

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 16:38:31 +-100
From: "Kouwenhoven, Jaap" <JMKouwenhoven@ntprsmail.CapVolmac.nl>
Subject: Introduction to the Enigma mailinglist
To: "'enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Hi everybody,

Since I am new I would like to introduce myself. My name is Jaap 
Kouwenhoven, age 28, and I live in Leiden, The Netherlands.
I have been introduced to Enigma by a good friend of mine and am in the 
possession of Enigma I and II. Also I have the soundtrack of Sliver. I only 
wonder whether this includes any new Enigma tracks.
Other favourites of mine are Kitaro, Tangerine Dream, Dead Can Dance, 
Vangelis etc., but also the entire scala of Mellow House.
I work as a software-developer in daily life.
Well, this must suffice for now. I hope to enjoy this mailinglist a lot.
Best wishes to you all,

   Jaap.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 08:25:50 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Label???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hey there everyone.  I just have a quick question.

Sandra is on a German record label right??
What is the name of it?

Thanks.

Nilay


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
                Old cleaning people never die,
                They just kick the bucket.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 20:31:03 +0100
From: Sven Puklowski <Sven.Puklowski@frankfurt.netsurf.de>
Subject: Label???
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi !

>Sandra is on a German record label right??
>What is the name of it?

In Germany its Virgin !


Tschuess
         Sven

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1996 10:43:31 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Lawsuit For Sampling
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,


Enigma became so popular and successful that "opportunists" are looking to
sue Enigma for money. Enigma became their "money" target. Since the lawsuit
against "MCMXC a.D." was won by Kapelle Antiqua, some others people are
trying to do the same stuff with "Cross of Changes". Maybe others will do
with Enigma III(hopefully not). 

Now, the lapp artist from Norway, Mattis Hetta and a Taiwanese peasant sued
Enigma for the "rip off" lapp chant of "Return to Innocence". Why are they
sueing Enigma for it long after the release of "Cross of Changes" album???
If what they claimed is true, why don't this lawsuit came out when the
single "Return to Innocence" was released???

It is a really sad thing that people ignore their "dignity" and "moral
values" to gain money and financial income by immoral means.....Probably
Michael Cretu has enough of these craps and frankly speaking, me too.

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

*****************************************

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 09:36:35 -0600
From: bkcope19@linknet.net (Brian K. Copeland)
Subject: limited edition
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I see on an enigma web site: http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/Enigma.html, the
limited edition CD's of Enima.. I can't seem to find these here in America..
Is there anywhere that I could order them from?... 
-=-=-=-
Bryan Copeland
Bkcope19@linknet.net
Sysop of CyberSpace Access BBS

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 16:13:51 -0500
From: GABBY19973@aol.com
Subject: Limited Editions
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I have been searching and searching (to no avail) for the Limited Editions of
the CD's that  have been discussed on the list. But I can't find them
anywhere!!! Did you guys have to go to specialty tpe record stores?  Please
help me find these cd's guys :-)

Thanks Ahead of Time ,
Kristen   :-)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:04:16 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Limited Editions
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

If you really want a copy.. please contact me.. I can help you.  It will cost like 31.88 american dollars for the limited edition of MCMXC a.D.  :-)

--Brandon

At 04:13 PM 2/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I have been searching and searching (to no avail) for the Limited Editions of
>the CD's that  have been discussed on the list. But I can't find them
>anywhere!!! Did you guys have to go to specialty tpe record stores?  Please
>help me find these cd's guys :-)
>
>Thanks Ahead of Time ,
>Kristen   :-)
>	

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 03:30:06 -0800
From: enigma@address.com (Arnold)
Subject: Limited Editions
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>I have been searching and searching (to no avail) for the Limited Editions of
>the CD's that  have been discussed on the list. But I can't find them
>anywhere!!! Did you guys have to go to specialty tpe record stores?  Please
>help me find these cd's guys :-)

Kristen - i don't know hwere u live but I had to buy mine in Paris and the
2nd limited edition album in HongKong... I think in the US - Tower Records
had them for $30!!! though but It is worth the price!!! specially the first
album...

good luck in finding it...

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 04 Feb 96 14:17:00 DST
From: Flemming Balvig <krimbalv@pc.ibt.dk>
Subject: Louisa Stanley
To: Enigma Mailing List <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Does anyone know on which tracks on Cross Of Changes, does Louisa Stanley 
sing? She's credited in the booklet on vocals, but who is she, and when can 
you hear her?

Jens :-)

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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 1996 09:20:52 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Louisa Stanley
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi
>
>Does anyone know on which tracks on Cross Of Changes, does Louisa Stanley 
>sing? She's credited in the booklet on vocals, but who is she, and when can 
>you hear her?
>
>Jens :-)
>
>

I think on "The Dream of the Dolphin" and "The Cross of Changes".....

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

*****************************************

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 00:50 +0300
From: alligator@glas.apc.org (Oleg Skrynnik)
Subject: Lyrics of CROSS Of Changes
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

                             Hello everybody !

   When  I  was  posting  the message with the offer of lyrics of "Cross Of
Changes",  I  don't  really  think  that  there are so many people who need
it.  But  I  recieved  about  25 requests at the moment, so I decide to put
this lyrics to the Enigma Mailing List for ALL !
   All following text was found in my "Enigma-2" CD. I don't recognize this
words by myself, they just was printed in CD. So, I think we can call it:


   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |                                                                  |
   |                    The Official Lyrics of the                    |
   |                                                                  |
   |                                                                  |
   |      +-----   |\    |   --+--    /----\   |\    /|    /---+      |
   |      |        | \   |     |     /         | \  / |   /    |      |
   |      +--      |  \  |     |     |   --+   |  \/  |   +----+      |
   |      |        |   \ |     |     \     |   |      |   |    |      |
   |      +-----   |    \|   --+--    \----+   |      |   |    |      |
   |                                                                  |
   |                                                                  |
   |              T h e   C R O S S   o f   C h a n g e s             |
   |                                                                  |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |        Typed by  Oleg Skrynnik  (alligator@glas.apc.org)         |
   |                 from Virgin's CD VIR 20 - PM 520                 |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+


                Text, that was found inside the CD buklet
                -----------------------------------------

I  tried  to  find  Him  on  the  Christian  cross, but He was not there; I
went  to  the  Temple of the Hindus and to the old pagodas, but I could not
find a trace of Him anywhere.

I  searched  on  the  mountains  and  in  the  valleys  but  neither in the
heights  nor  in  the depths was I able to find Him. I went to the Caaba in
Mecca, but He was not there either.

I  questioned  the  scholars  and  philosophers  but  He  was  beyong their
understanding.

I  then  looked  into  my  heart  and  it was there where He dwelled that I
saw Him; He was nowhere else to be found.

Jelaluddin Rumi



1. Second Chapter
-----------------

We came out from the deep
To help and understand but not to kill
It takes many lives to till we succeed
To clear the debts of many, many hundred years.


2. The Eyes Of Truth
--------------------

(instrumental)


3. Return To Innocence
----------------------

Love - Devotion
Feeling - Emotion

Don't be afraid to be weak
Don't be too proud to be strong
Just look into your heart my friend
That will be the return to youself
The return to innocence.

If you want, then start to laugh
If you must, then start to cry
Be yourself don't hide
Just believe in destiny.

Don't care what people say
Just follow your own way
Don't give up and use the chance
To return to innocence.

That's not the beginning of the end
That's the return to youself
The return to innocence.


4. I Love You... I'll Kill You
------------------------------

I see love, I can see passion
I feel danger, I feel obsession
Don't play games with the ones who love you
Cause I hear a voice who says:
I love you... I'll kill you...

Loneliness, I feel loneliness in my room...

Look into the mirror of your soul
Love and hate are one in all
Sacrifice turns to revenge and believe me
You'll see the face who'll say:

I love you... I'll kill you...
But I love you forever

Loneliness, I feel loneliness in my room...


5. Silent Warrior
-----------------

Long ago, for many years
White man came in the name of GOD.
They took their land, they took their lives
A new age has just begun.

They lost their GODS, they lost their smile
They cried for help for the last time.
Liberty was turning into chains
But all the white man said
That's the cross of changes.

In the name of GOD - The fight for gold
These were the changes.
Tell me - is it right - In the name of GOD
These kind of changes?

They tried to fight for liberty
Without a chance in hell, they gave up.
White man won in the name of GOD
With the cross as alibi.

There's no GOD who ever tried
To change the world in this way.
But for the ones who abuse his name
There'll be no chance to escape
On judgement day.

In the name of GOD - The fight for gold
These were the changes.
Tell me - is it right - In the name of GOD
These kind of changes?

Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why,
The white man said:
That's the cross of changes?
Tell me why, tell me why, tell me why,
In the name of GOD
These kind of changes.


6. The Dream Of The Dolphin
---------------------------

In every colour there's the light.
In every stone sleeps a crystal.
Remember the Shaman, when he used to say:
"Man is the dream of the dolphin".

(dedicated to my beloved wife Sandra)


7. Age Of Loneliness  (Carly's song)
------------------------------------

Carly don't be sad
Life is crazy
Life is mad
Don't be afraid

Carly don't be sad
That's your destiny
The only chance
Take it, take it in your hands

(main theme from the Paramount Pictures movie "Sliver")


8. Out From The Deep
--------------------

We came out from the deep
To learn love, to learn how to live
We came out from the deep
To avoid the mistakes we made.

That's why we are here!

We came out from the deep
To help and understand, but not to kill
It takes many lives till we succeed
To clear the debts of many hundred years.

That's why we are here!


9. The CROSS Of Changes
-----------------------

If you understand or if you don't
If you believe or if you doubt

There's a universal justice
And the eyes of truth
Are always watching you.


   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |                                                                  |
   |                                                                  |
   |      +-----   |\    |   --+--    /----\   |\    /|    /---+      |
   |      |        | \   |     |     /         | \  / |   /    |      |
   |      +--      |  \  |     |     |   --+   |  \/  |   +----+      |
   |      |        |   \ |     |     \     |   |      |   |    |      |
   |      +-----   |    \|   --+--    \----+   |      |   |    |      |
   |                                                                  |
   |                                                                  |
   |              T h e   C R O S S   o f   C h a n g e s             |
   |                                                                  |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+
   |        Typed by  Oleg Skrynnik  (alligator@glas.apc.org)         |
   |                 from Virgin's CD VIR 20 - PM 520                 |
   +------------------------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 13:54:03 -0800
From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos)
Subject: Maria M.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

                When will you wake up and realize
                               I can't surrender to you???????
Pray for affection and win the prize
                        I know this party games too!

                        Severo From L.A.

                    Celebrity Photo Database

           http://www.pacificnet.net/~severo/index.html

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:11:12 -0800
From: feszczak@sas.upenn.edu (Zenon M. Feszczak)
Subject: Marquis de Sade
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>
>> Did anybody in this mailing list read about Marquis de Sade ? I believe the
>> man wrote a book called Justine ...


Yes, and it's fairly terrifying reading.

Suffice it say that the word "sadism" is based on the author's name.

Zenon M. Feszczak
Anti-Sadist

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:27:31 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: MCMXC a.D.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Well. I finally got the Limited Edition of MCMXC a.D.  this past weekend.  It is wonderful.  Worth the Thirty dollars I put out for it.  I have conclusively decided that MCMXC a.D. is my favourite album of all time, of any sort of music that I have experienced.  (MCMXC a.D.  is an experience.)  

I hope that Cretu keeps up the good work; however, I am worried.  I find that MCMXC a.D.  has a certain sound that I really like.  The atmosphere set by this ablum is one that envokes huge amounts of very detailed imagary, feelings, and spiritual awareness.  I have not found this to the same degree on The Cross of Changes.  I hope that Enigma III brings back this affect.

                                        Sincerely,
                                        Brandon

Ps.  They are still palying Enigma (MCMXC a.D.) on the radio here in Austin, Texas.  I, for the first time, heard Mea Culpa on the radio last night.  Just thought I'd say that.
 	

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Date: Sat, 03 Feb 1996 18:25:25 -0700 (MST)
From: "<athutton@acs.ucalgary.ca>" <athutton@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Subject: MCMXC a.D. Limited Edition
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi!  Just wanted to say that I finally found a copy of the MCMXC a.D. 
Limited Edition and I'm so happy I bought it.  The Meditation mix of 
Sadeness is far better than the original (although the orginal is 
still great).  The mix of Principles of Lust is also excellent!  For 
those of you who don't have it, you really should look for it! It's 
well worth it!

Andrew

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 21:40:24 +0100
From: Max <themax@mbox.vol.it>
Subject: MCMXC aD
To: Enigma mailing list <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

I send the text of a FAX I was able to receive, back in 1991, directly fr=
om
Virgin Italia. It explains the facts behind the Enigma-project and
the release of MCMXC aD.

I hope you will find it very interesting.

-------------------------------------------------------------

THE MASTERMIND

Michael Cretu was born May 18, 1957 in the Romanian capital, Bucharest. H=
is mother is Austrian,
his father Romanian. In 1975 he moved to Germany where he studied at the =
Hochschule f=FCr Musik
(College of Music) in Frankfurt. He completed his degree with the highest=
 grade possible in
composition. He became a successful studio musician (keyboards), arranger=
 and producer.
Among his past projects are "Moti Special" and "Cretu & Thiers".
His solo work consists of the LPs "Legion=E4r=E8" ("Legionnaires") and "D=
ie Chinesische Mauer"
("Invisible Man"). In the meantime, his "sound" has become recognized by =
millions due to=20
the world-wide success his wife Sandra in enjoying with her records which=
 were produced
by Michael in his private studio. His current project, "Enigma", is the r=
ealization of
a long-time dream, music the captures, provokes and reaches new sound dim=
ensions.


THE PROJECT

The reason for calling the project "Enigma" into life, is the desire to m=
ake music that=20
I have long heard in my head. Till now, I've had neither the time nor the=
 opportunity to make
my plans reality. "Enigma" has given me the possibility to experiment in =
the studio without
paying any regard to musical conventions whatsoever. Additionally, with "=
Enigma" I wanted to
create music that I cannot buy anywhere. I found a particular challenge i=
n creating a concept
album combining the apparently conflicting elements of style of Gregorian=
 chants, black dance
rhythms, French spoken-word and the keyboard sounds of Art of Noise and V=
angelis. The music
of "Enigma" was to produce a relaxed atmosphere, not like typical synthes=
izer music, however,
but rather on the basis of black rhythms that practically form the backbo=
ne of contemporary
music. The overall album is founded on this basic idea.


THE ENIGMA

I view "Enigma" as program-music, as a reminiscence on the 1970's. The th=
emes of the album are
the unexplained occurrences of the past centuries. Thus, the name "Enigma=
". Its root is Greek
and means mysterious, obscure. But, I did not want to discuss simple secr=
ets of the first order.
I was interested in the less clear-cut, more complicated personalities li=
ke Jack the Ripper,
or ever Marquis de Sade, to whom "Sadeness Part I" pertains. The title sh=
ould be viewed in both
its meanings. On the one hand, "Sade" as in the Marquis' name, and on the=
 other, "sad" in
the sense of his unhappy existence. After all, he spent fifty years of hi=
s life in prison.
I enjoy multiple meanings because they give the listener enough room for =
his own
interpretations. It is also an opportunity to intensively concentrate on =
such discordant
personalities without immediately stamping them as crackpots or perverts.


CHURCH AND SEXUALITY

When thinking of unsolved cases, you don't need long to come to the Catho=
lic Church,
"the world's oldest corporation". Actually, it is rather mysterious club =
and very paradoxical.
You could make five double albums about these gentlemen. We arrived at th=
e Gregorian chants
through this connection to Christianity. Connecting the chorales to the M=
arquis de Sade should
ultimately also show one of the endless discussions - the plaguing discre=
pancy between the
church and sexuality. Sexuality plays a large role in the life of human b=
eings. This fact is
often played down, or ignored. Unjustly, I believe. Humans possess two un=
deniable drives:
the survival instinct and instinct to reproduce. We will never succeed in=
 doing away these
motors. Looking at world history, you must come to the conclusion that th=
is barricade toward
sexuality is based on the teaching of Christianity. Over the millennia, t=
his has led to some
ludicrous occurrences. It it simply irresponsible for the Pope to travel =
throughou
t the Third World and forbid the use of contraceptives. It really comes c=
lose to unintentional
mass murder when infants are born to starve in the streets, or children a=
re forced into
prostitution. With its unrealistic ideology, the church succeeds in creat=
ing the exact opposite
of what it wish to archive, like preservation of life. I, by no means, fe=
el that the Pope is
not a man of good will, but, he is treading the wrong path, something tha=
t I find most
unfortunate because I feel that belief and religion are good things. I de=
al with sexuality on
the album in a subdued fashion, basically only in the trilogy "Principles=
 of Lust". My desire
was merely to set thought processes concerning the Church and sexuality i=
n motion. I neither
ask questions nor do I offer answers in what I do.


THE ALBUM

With "Enigma", I have fulfilled a dream of my youth. I view the album bas=
ically as instrumental.
But, instrumental music is usually very cold and for that reason I have i=
ntegrated the human
voice. Inserting Gregorian chorales should not be understood as being use=
d merely for means
of effect but rather as an organic part of the whole piece of music. I us=
ed the religious
chants practically as a musical instrument to amplify and complete the mo=
ods on the record.
Where other words appear on the recording, they are spoken, not sung. I i=
ntegrated the vocal
parts to create a certain atmosphere. The album gives the impression of a=
 soundtrack, to a
certain extent, without really being one and although the music is very m=
uch synthesizer-oriented
I made every effort to keep it from sounding cold. I wanted the music to =
have a human and
warm effect while simultaneously giving the sense of levitating.


THE DISCLOSURE

The reason why I initially kept my name far in the background was that I =
did not wish to
promote the single "Sadeness Part I" in the usual manner. I expressed my =
unconventional wish
on the record company to sample this single on radio DJs only to find out=
 what would happen.
Mine is not a world of TV studios, promo tours and press interviews but r=
ather one of working
in the studio. Apart from that I used the pseudonym "Enigma" so that peop=
le would not start
speculating. I wanted the audience to decide whether it liked the music o=
r not. Most important
is that the music speaks for itself, without any hidden meaning.


THE FUTURE

Within the framework of "Enigma", I am trying to do everything musically =
possible. "Enigma" is,
to me, a free field without stylistic borders. In future "Enigma" project=
s, I will probably
concentrate more on the problems of the Third World. The basic principal =
will remain to avoid
tying the music either to a language or an artist. They will be complexes=
 based upon one certain
idea. It is very possible that someone will sing in Indian or Bulgarian i=
f it fits into the
concept and above all when in conveys feelings. However, nothing I do wil=
l be based on the need
for success and there will be no repetitions. The basic requirement is th=
at I find the right
theme with a sound basis in credibility.




 **********************************
 **          (the) Max           **
 **  e-mail: themax@mbox.vol.it  **
 **********************************

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 19:46:45 +0100
From: Martin Dekker <mdekker@metropolis.nl>
Subject: Michael's favourite
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

At 21:37 30-01-96 +1100, you wrote:
>Hi Ye Min Than. You wrote:
> 
>> I read from a French magazine that Michael Cretu favourite musician is
>> someone called "Jon Anderson"....
>> 
>> Anyone knows who is that person???
>
>  Michael also stated this in a letter to me. Jon Anderson is a singer
>of the 'popular' band 'Yes'. He has also done some work with Vangelis
>and solo. I personally don't like his voice too much, but I do believe
>he does more than just sing....
>
>Hope this helps,
> 
>Gavin Stok
>(Enigma Mailing List President)
>
>***********************************************************************
>**           e-mail:  gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au                      **
>**              WWW:  http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps              **
>**                                                                   **
>**     ENIGMA WWW                                                    **
>**   (Australiasia):  http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Enigma.html  **
>**  (United States):  http://www.spikes.com/enigma                   **
>***********************************************************************
>
Jon Anderson had a big solo hit  (at least here in Europe) with "Surrender"
and  he had a hit with Vangelis called "I'll find my way home" around the
same time (1981/1982).
Bye the bye, Gavin.... did you like Holland?????

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Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 23:11:43 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: Michael's favourite
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi,

At 19:46 1/02/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Jon Anderson had a big solo hit  (at least here in Europe) with "Surrender"
>and  he had a hit with Vangelis called "I'll find my way home" around the
>same time (1981/1982).

Wasn't there also a song called I hear you now ?


Greetings,

Gianni

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  e-mail : Gianni.Sercu@ping.be			   
  fidonet : 2:291/1800.2 - Houtland BBS, Koekelare - Belgium    
  eronet : 68:322/1.2					   
  digital net : 15:5100/1.2				  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 00:10 +0300
From: alligator@glas.apc.org (Oleg Skrynnik)
Subject: Michael Cretu's name pronounciation
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi everybody,

Sorry for simple question, but does anybody know
what is the right pronounciation of the Cretu's name?

Thanks,
Oleg.

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 23:04:54 +0300
From: "Sly Golovanov" <enigma@sly.fupm.mipt.ru>
Subject: Michael Cretu's name pronounciation
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>   Sorry for simple question, but does anybody know
>   what is the right pronounciation of the Cretu's name?
[kretu], IMHO.

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 03:07:05 +0200 (EET)
From: Joakim Guy Calais <jcalais@snakemail.hut.fi>
Subject: Michael Cretu's name pronounciation
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> >   Sorry for simple question, but does anybody know
> >   what is the right pronounciation of the Cretu's name?
> [kretu], IMHO.

This may call for some explaining... For you who read text the 
American/English way. I believe, (due to his European origin), that he 
pronounces his name 'Kretu', where the 'e' is pronounced as the 'e' in 
words 'less', 'send', 'mess' and so on. The 'r' is not soft as in 
English, but hard... as in old English or perhaps French-English accents. 
(If you watch Star Trek, then the they would be like the way Jean-Luc 
Picard pronounces his 'r':s... Therrrr is no neeed forrr violence', if 
you catch my point =)). The last letter is difficult. I'd say it's 
pronounced in a way that there is no sound for in English. It would be 
produced by making the letter 'o' with you your lips (in a sucking or 
kissing motion... (OK, this is beginning to sound explicit =)) and 
perhaps the sound that comes when you blow softly. Somewhere between the 
English 'o' and 'y' sounds. This is quite easy for me, as this is the way 
letters are pronounced in my language ;).

-Joakim

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:23:08 +0100
From: Max <themax@mbox.vol.it>
Subject: My homework (again !!)
To: Enigma mailing list <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

I send for the second time my 'homework' to the mailing list, as my mail-demon reported an
error when I sent the message for the first time. If you have received this twice, please
excuse me, and discard this second one.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As every new member, this is my 'homework':

*  Name: Max 
*  Age: 25
*  What is in your Enigma collection (with other Cretu-linked artists too)

ENIGMA:
 MCMXD a.D. (normal / ltd 'hologram cover' / VHS video)
 The cross of changes (only normal edition at the moment)
 
 Sliver soundtrack (CD)
         
 Sadeness part I (CDS / 12")
 Mea culpa part II (CDS / 12")
 The principles of lust (CDS)
 The principles of lust (limited omen version) (CDS)
 The rivers of belief (CDS)
 Return to innocence (CDS)
 The eyes of truth (CDS)
 Age of loneliness (CDS)
 Out from the deep (CDS)

CRETU:
 Legionaires (english lyrics) (LP)
 The chinesische mauer (CD) - The invisible man (LP / CD)
 Samurai (7") - Silver Water (12") - Gambit (12")

CRETU & THIERS:
 Belle epoque (CD)
 When love is the missing word (12")
 Don't say you love me (CDS) - School's out (7" / 12")

MOTI SPECIAL:
 Motivation (LP)

SANDRA:
 all albums (including Everlasting Love - USA edition) and most of her
singles
 Ten on one (VHS)

HUBERT KAH:
 Best of dance hits (CD)

GREGORIAN:
 Sadisfaction (CD) - So sad (CDS)

SARAH BRIGHTMAN:
 Fly (CD) - A question of honour (CDS)



*  Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are

   I listened to Enigma (Sadeness Pt1) the first time in December 1990
on the radio and I bought
   the single and then the album as soon as I was able to get them in
the stores.

   To express how much of a fan I am, I can simply say that in my
opinion Cretu is
   the 'god' of music.


*  Other artists you like

   As you can see from my homework, I like all Cretu-related artists.
    
          
*  What course or job you're doing (if any)

   I am taking a degree in Economy at my hometown University (Brescia -
ITALY)


*  Any other interesting information you wish to share

   I don't know, I there is anything else you would like to know,
please ask me.




 **********************************
 **          (the) Max           **
 **  e-mail: themax@mbox.vol.it  **
 **********************************

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 19:11:58 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: My homework (again !!)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Max wrote:

>To express how much of a fan I am, I can simply say that in my
>opinion Cretu is the 'god' of music.
>

I could not agree more!!! I agree with you "101%"....!!! 

You have quite a huge collection, I must say. Congratulations!!! I really
envy you. I am still looking for Michael's solo albums and hope to get them
very soon...

Ye Min Than
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:33:00 GMT
From: d.scorey@ic.ac.uk
Subject: New guy
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi there!

I just joined up last night, when someone mentioned the fact that there was
an Enigma site on the WWW. My name's Duncan, and I'm a "Sparky" (or Electronic
Engineering student, whichever name seems best) at Imperial College, London
UK! I'm 19, and have 2 Enigma Albums (Cross of Change and MCMXC AD). 

I'm also a Chris Rea, Dire Straits and REM fan (mea culpa!)

Ciao!

Duncan

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:57:18 -0800 (PST)
From: William Chapple <wcc@efn.org>
Subject: New mem.
To: Enigma <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

	Grweetings and Salutations,
	I'm knew to the list but love Enigma to extremes. I have seen all 
the Videos available in the US and listen to all the songs I can get 
copies to. I don't own any at the moment so... I am not working due to 
injuries and so get to sit around and play on the computer all day. Hope 
everyone has fun with there collections.
			William

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 96 13:00:45 UT
From: "Andreas Bachmaier" <Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com>
Subject: New Sarah brightman album : "Fly"
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Jude!
I have only two Sara Brightman CD's

1. Dive (1993, A&M Records, USA)
Dive
Captain Nemo
The second element
Ship of fools
Once in a lifetime
Cape Horn
A salty dog
Siren
Seven Seas
Johnny wanna live
By now
Island
When it rains in America
La mer
The second element II

2. Fly (1995, EastWest Records GmbH, Germany)
The fly
Why
Murder in mairyland park
How can heaven love me
A question of honour
Ghost in the machinery
You take my breath away
Something in the air (feat. Tom Jones)
Heaven is here
I loved you
Fly

I think the second is much better as the first.
The best songs are:
Johnny wanna live
You take my breath away
Something in the air

Bye,
Andreas Bachmaier

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 09:59:40 -0600 (CST)
From: Paul Nguyen <st8av@bayou.uh.edu>
Subject: New Sarah brightman album : "Fly"
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Sat, 17 Feb 1996, Andreas Bachmaier wrote:

> The fly
> Why
> Murder in mairyland park
> How can heaven love me
> A question of honour
> Ghost in the machinery
> You take my breath away
> Something in the air (feat. Tom Jones)
> Heaven is here
> I loved you
> Fly
> 
> I think the second is much better as the first.
> The best songs are:
> Johnny wanna live
> You take my breath away
> Something in the air
 
is 'Fly' out in the U.S. already? been looking for it with no luck.

		
			-Paul Nguyen
			 st8av@bayou.uh.edu

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 12:34:51 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: New Sarah brightman album : "Fly"
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Is that the Sarah Brightman who married Andrew Lloyd Webber?  And played
Christen in the Phantom of the Opera?

Nilay

>Hi Jude!
>I have only two Sara Brightman CD's
>
>1. Dive (1993, A&M Records, USA)

>2. Fly (1995, EastWest Records GmbH, Germany)

>I think the second is much better as the first.
>The best songs are:
>Johnny wanna live
>You take my breath away
>Something in the air
>
>Bye,
>Andreas Bachmaier
>
>


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
                Old cleaning people never die,
                They just kick the bucket.

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:45:30 EST
From: "Peri , Jonathan E" <JPERI01@student.ucis.vill.edu>
Subject: New Subscriber
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi I am a new subscriber my name is Jon P, I am a 22 year old student 
at Villanova University in the United States.  My collection consists 
of MCMXC a.D., MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition", Carly's Song, Return 
to Innocence, The Cross of Changes and the MTV's Party to go 
version of Return to Innocence (I think).

My stepfather has a friend, of a friend, of a friend, who somehow 
knew Curly M.C. (I think) or someone from Enigma.  He got the album 
and thought it was great, I heard it and flipped out.  When I got the 
Limited Edition of MCMXC a.D. a month or two ago I nearly lost it 
altogether.  I was extatic to say the least.  Whenever I am in any 
music or record store at all, the only thing that really interests me 
is Enigma.  One dope told me that he did not sell Enigma and that was 
part of his enigma.  In any case I find it extremely difficult to 
find anything on Enigma no matter what store I go to.  Usually the 
only things they have is MCMXC a.D. and The Cross of Changes.  Not 
much of a selection for a fanatic.

As you can tell I am the biggest of fans and I just learned how to 
use e-mail and the internet about a month ago.  Since then a whole 
new world has opened up.  It was just yesterday that I thought to put 
Enigma into a Yahoo search.  There is so much info on Enigma, I can't 
wait until tomorrow to print it all out on the University's computers.

Other artists I enjoy include 808 state, messiah, enya, phil collins 
and genesis and peter gabriel (a former member of genesis for those 
who didn't know), the art of noise, the shamen, deep forest, and a 
variety of all music limited in no way.

Other info you might find interesting for my "homework assignment":  
I'll go anywhere in the world for an Enigma concert if there ever is 
one.  I can't wait, like the rest of you I'm sure, for the Enigma III 
CD.  And If anyone could tell me one store that has ALL the Engima 
albums prefarably in CD form, so that I can make a purchase of all 
the ones I do not have, I would be very grateful.  If anyone has 
doubles of a CD and they're looking to get rid of one for a "used" 
price, I'd be willing to contact you, if you are in the U.S.

Thanks,

Jon P.

jperi01@student.vill.edu

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Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 21:01:23 -0600
From: bkcope19@linknet.net (Brian K. Copeland)
Subject: New to Enigma List
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I'm Bryan Copeland
Bkcope19@linknet.net
I'm 17 years old -- 18 in july
I live in Lake Charles, Louisiana in the United States

BIG Enigma fan... !!!!!
-=-=-=-
Bryan Copeland
Bkcope19@linknet.net
Sysop of CyberSpace Access BBS

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 18:56:25 -0600
From: kham@gatewest.net (Kham S.)
Subject: Outer Limits
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all.

Does anyone here watch Outer Limits (a tv show which is usu. on Fox.)?
Well, i just wanted to comment on the one episode that used Return to
Innocence. I think if fit perfectly with the episode and was glad they used
it. Anyone else seen it?

<-------------<<*>>------------->
   kham@gatewest.net {Kham S.}

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:46:32 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: Outer Limits
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

You wrote: 
>
>Hi all.
>
>Does anyone here watch Outer Limits (a tv show which is usu. on Fox.)?
>Well, i just wanted to comment on the one episode that used Return to
>Innocence. I think if fit perfectly with the episode and was glad they 
used
>it. Anyone else seen it?
>
><-------------<<*>>------------->
>   kham@gatewest.net {Kham S.}
>
>
I like that episode, I watch it all the time, but I guess I missed that 
edidtion, hope they'll replay it again...

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Date: 26 Feb 96 14:36:13 EST
From: <Steve_Court@ttsi#u#wells.ccmail.compuserve.com>
Subject: Re : Time to introduce myself
To: <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

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From: "worthe" <worthe@email.averydennison.com> wrote 
>Hi everyone,

>I've been on the Enigma-digest list for a while now but haven't got round 
>to saying "hello". My name's Elliot, I'm 24 and a huge fan of Enigma. I'm 
>working in Maidenhead, England in PC Support, have been for 11 months now.

>I started following Engima since 'Sadeness' so have been a fan since the 
>start. Subsequenty my collection isn't too bad though I'm always on the 
>look-out for more:

>Albums:
>MCMXC a.D
>Return to Innocence
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sorry to be picky, but don't you mean 'The Cross of Changes' ?

So I'm not just posting nit-picking messages, here's a question for you 
guys ;

What's the difference between the 'Limited Edition' of MCMXC a.d. and the 
original, and likewise for the video release of the same name ?

I raise this 'coz these are now the only versions of MCMXC a.d. I can find 
in the mainstream shops here.



Steve Court

steve_court@ttsi#u#wells.ccmail.compuserve.com 

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 96 20:06:18 +1000
From: NEIL STENLAKE <stenlake@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Re[1]: Michael's favourite
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma)

Reply to message text:
--------------------------------
Yep - there sure was - again in collabaration (spelling ???) with Vangelis. It 
was actually released
on single here in Australia.
Neil 
stenlake@ozemail.com.au
---------------------------------
  From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Hi,
At 19:46 1/02/96 +0100, you wrote:
snip snip snip......
Wasn't there also a song called I hear you now ?
Greetings,
Gianni

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:09:23 -0500
From: Gwendolyn Musser <neyde@cftnet.com>
Subject: return to innocence video
To: "'enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au'" <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Hi everyone,

I'm desperately trying to get my hands on a Return to Innocence video.  =
Since it's never been released commercially, I'm having an extremely =
difficult time of it!  If someone could send me a copy, I'd be eternally =
grateful.  Give me a call or drop me an email.  Thanks.

Gwen

*************************************************************************=
***************************
neyde@cftnet.com
(813) 979-4109
University of South Florida
United States
*************************************************************************=
***************************

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 96 00:10:47 +0300
From: "Sly Golovanov" <enigma@sly.fupm.mipt.ru>
Subject: Russian singers
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>   Hi Sly!
>
>   Yes, I do know a really good singer from Russia... Milla Jovovich!
>
>   But she lives in the U.S. now.
That's it!  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ She is from Russia, but it doesn't mean,
that she is russian singer! I have heard nothing about her, even about her
name. We speaking about russian singer, living in Russia, not emigrants.


> SLY <                        InterNet: sly@sly.fupm.mipt.ru
                               FidoNet: 2:5020/630.13

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 1996 15:37:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: geispc27@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu
Subject: Sadeness
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>When Sadeness was a hit, most of the European dj's pronounced Sadeness as
sadness ...  So I asked my father (a teacher English) how it could be that
the word was mispelled on the cd and all the magazines and chartlists ?
;-)) He knew something from his earlier history lessons about Marquis de
Sade. I looked it up in a encyclopedia and found that Marquis de Sade has
something to do with sadomasochisme ...  So now, I know who Sade is, but
can you tell me what Sadeness exactly means ? Is it something like
"against Sade" ?  Greetings, Gianni


I may not be Ye Min but I'm wearing his clothes.  What?  Forget it.  I 
think by sadeness Cretu means the way of sade, not against sade.  I think 
the song represents the sexual impulses of Sade--what he felt while doing 
his "dirty deeds" to others.

Or, I could have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about.  It may be 
hard to beleive, but that happens quite often.  

Peter C. Geisheker

"He was a cowboy, mister, and he loved the land.  He loved it so much he 
made a woman out of dirt and married her.  But when he kissed her, she 
disintegrated.  Later, at the funeral, when the preacher said, "Dust to 
dust," some people laughed, and the cowboy shot them.  At his hanging, he 
told the others, "I'll be waiting for you in heaven---with a gun."
--Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey 
 
 
 

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 96 13:30 +0300
From: alligator@glas.apc.org (Oleg Skrynnik)
Subject: Sandra
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

                            Hello everybody !

   I  totally  agree  with  all  of  you  who says that Sandra's music is
great!  Yes,  that's  true.  Also, in addition to Ye Min Than, I must say
that  all  Sandra's  albums are recommended (except "Fading Shades"). All
of  them  are  excellent.  But  Ye,  don't  you  think that "Paintings In
Yellow"  deserves  more  than  9  points  out  of  10? Just remember "The
Journey" composition from that album. It sounds like Enigma-style music.

   Enjoy the perfect music of Michael Cretu and brilliant voice of Sandra.

                                                         Have a nice day!
                                                               Oleg.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 15:05:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Crazy Joe <jpeters@hawk.depaul.edu>
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

WHAT THE HELL???

	I just bought a Sandra album from that germanmusic place online.  
I got it yesterday.  I bought "The Long Play".  I got it for one reason, 
you guys said it sounds like Enigma.  It's not even remotely close to Enigma!
In fact, it is my not-so-humble opinion that it sucks!  It sounds more 
like Belinda Carlile, or Tiffany, or Bonnie Tyler.  I hate that shit!  What
the hell?  How can you guys compare Sandra with Enigma?  Are any of her 
other albums any closer to the sound of Enigma, or do they all suck?

Joe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 01:09:56 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Joe wrote:

>WHAT THE HELL???
>
>	I just bought a Sandra album from that germanmusic place online.  
>I got it yesterday.  I bought "The Long Play".  I got it for one reason, 
>you guys said it sounds like Enigma.  It's not even remotely close to Enigma!
>In fact, it is my not-so-humble opinion that it sucks!  It sounds more 
>like Belinda Carlile, or Tiffany, or Bonnie Tyler.  I hate that shit!  What
>the hell?  How can you guys compare Sandra with Enigma?  Are any of her 
>other albums any closer to the sound of Enigma, or do they all suck?
>

First of all, please avoid bad language in the interest of all the people
here on EML. Second, you are entirely responsible for your own acts and not
others. Putting blame on other for what you have done is not very moral.

As far as I remember, no one on this list said Sandra and Enigma sounds
alike or the same. As for me, I just said that "although their music style
is different, listening to Sandra and Enigma is the same in a way because
both reflect Michael's talents". No one said that they sound the same...

Someone must be really foolish enough to think Sandra and Enigma sounds the
same because the people behind both projects are the one and the same(i.e.
Michael, Sandra....etc). Why will they do the same and similar things with
different names??? 

If you think "The Long Play" sucks, well that's your personal opinion. It
was the first Sandra solo album where Michael showed his talent. I really
think it is very very good. Technically and musically, the whole album is
very well structured and composed.  And none of the artists you mentioned
even come close to Sandra's albums!!! Neither Madonna nor Janet Jackson!!!
Any female singer can come close to Sandra!!!!

If you are really looking for Enigma-like sounds in Sandra albums, listen
the song "Mirror of Love" where the samples of "howlings" were taken for
"Knocking on Forbidden Doors". And also the song "The Journey" which is the
closest similarity between the two.......buying these or not it's entirely
your responsability....... 
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 96 23:39 SAT
From: jjimenez@reuna.cl (Jorge Jimenez)
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Joe

You wrote:

>WHAT THE HELL???
>
>	I just bought a Sandra album from that germanmusic place online.  
>I got it yesterday.  I bought "The Long Play".  I got it for one reason, 
>you guys said it sounds like Enigma.  It's not even remotely close to Enigma!
>In fact, it is my not-so-humble opinion that it sucks!  It sounds more 
>like Belinda Carlile, or Tiffany, or Bonnie Tyler.  I hate that shit!  What
>the hell?  How can you guys compare Sandra with Enigma?  Are any of her 
>other albums any closer to the sound of Enigma, or do they all suck?
>
>Joe
>
>
If you think throw away "The Long Play" CD, please, give it to me. I like 
Sandra too much, but here in Chile is too hard get any Sandra's CD. I had 
looking for this CD since 1992 without success. If you can send it to me 
I'll be very happy. 

My snail address :
                        Jorge Jimenez M.
                        Polcura 2151
                        Mirador de Tobalaba, Penalolen
                        Santiago
                        CHILE

Excuse me, my english is too bad.

Please, reply me soon.

Have a nice day.

                        Jorge.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 23:33:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Paul Nguyen <st8av@bayou.uh.edu>
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> Joe wrote:
> 
> >WHAT THE HELL???
> >
> >	I just bought a Sandra album from that germanmusic place online.  
> >I got it yesterday.  I bought "The Long Play".  I got it for one reason, 
> >you guys said it sounds like Enigma.  It's not even remotely close to Enigma!
> >In fact, it is my not-so-humble opinion that it sucks!  It sounds more 
> >like Belinda Carlile, or Tiffany, or Bonnie Tyler.  I hate that shit!  What
> >the hell?  How can you guys compare Sandra with Enigma?  Are any of her 
> >other albums any closer to the sound of Enigma, or do they all suck?


I feel for you Joe. I do remember people saying sandra's music is like 
enigma's music.  In my opinion they don't sound anything alike as far as 
style goes.  'The journey' is a good track, but if you wanna recommend it 
to someone, don't compare it to Enigma (ye min).  As for Sandra's music, 
either you like it or you don't or you can let it grow on you, but don't 
count on getting anything like enigma.

		
			-Paul Nguyen
			 st8av@bayou.uh.edu

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:14:27 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,


In responding to our friend Paul Nguyen, I'll like say that the song "The
Journey" is really the origin of Enigma. Here is why.....

The song "The Journey" was subdivided into five sections as follows...

- The Journey

A:Cold Out Here
B:I'm Alive
C:Paintings
D:Come Alive
E:The End

It is a nonstop long song(7:27 minutes) and the way it was "structured" is
the same as.....

I.The Voice Of Enigma
II.Priniciples Of Lust
 A:Sadeness
 B:Find Love
 C:Sadeness(Reprise)

If you listen carefully, you'll see that they are constructed and structured
exactly the same. Moreover, "The Journey" was released even before Enigma!!!
And there are opera female singing, chants(not Gregorian), "killer" guitars
and flutes in that song which make people say(including me) that they are
similar. I never said they are the same type or style of music......

But again, you can hear a number of samples from Sandra albums simliar to
those in Enigma CDs. For example, the "howling" samples of "Knocking on
Forbidden Doors" are taken from the songs "Mirrors of Love" and "Don't Cry".
As for the sounds of pan-flutes, you can hear in a number of Sandra's
songs!!!(not to mention other similarities such as French singings, female
breathings,....etc). But they ARE TOTALLY different in their style and type
of music!!!! Similarities exist though......

I personally think Sandra's albums are Michael's masterpieces. He composed
in such a unique way that they sound special. And remember it was "The Long
Play" which pushed Michael and Sandra to stardom. Moreover, with each new
album, Michael and Sandra matured in term of musically and artistically.
That's why each Sandra album sounds different with others. For example, the
style of "The Long Play" is differnt from "Close to Seven". That's why each
of Sandra album sounds different with each new one. They matured with time
and with each new album!!!(Btw, in 1988 Sandra went to England to learn and
practice vocal and singing)


When we talk about Sandra and Enigma, we are taking Michael Cretu as a
"bridge" between the two, not their music being same or sound-alike. Michael
composed and produced Sandra albums and Enigma too. Moreover, the people
behind these two projects are the same(Angel, the singer of "Return to
Innocence", was also the back vocalist of Sandra in "Close To Seven"). We
are comparing Sandra and Enigma via Michael Cretu and not their style of
music(again, a lot of same samples were used on both). Michael even said
that his Enigma albums will never similar to each other and with each new
album, he'll take "a complete new path". If Sandra albums and Enigma are
alike or same, there would be no reason for Michael to come up with "MCMXC
a.D." in 1990 or even Enigma would not exist if this is the case.

Nevertheless, Michael Cretu showed his unique talents in Sandra albums and
Enigma. And I think this is the most important........Whatever Cretus do,
Michael always RULES!!!

Ye Min Than   
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 13:22:56 +0100
From: Max <themax@mbox.vol.it>
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Ye Min Than wrote:


> If you think "The Long Play" sucks, well that's your personal opinion. It
> was the first Sandra solo album where Michael showed his talent. I really
> think it is very very good. Technically and musically, the whole album is
> very well structured and composed.  And none of the artists you mentioned
> even come close to Sandra's albums!!! Neither Madonna nor Janet Jackson!!!
> Any female singer can come close to Sandra!!!!

> If you are really looking for Enigma-like sounds in Sandra albums, listen
> the song "Mirror of Love" where the samples of "howlings" were taken for
> "Knocking on Forbidden Doors". And also the song "The Journey" which is the
> closest similarity between the two.......buying these or not it's entirely
> your responsability.......


You are perfectly right, 'The LP' is a great album and the song 'The Journey'
is very similar to the style of Enigma (both projects had Cretu & Frank
Peterson in them).

'The Journey' is simply FANTASTIC, in particular the instrumental parts between
the sections of the song.

 

 **********************************
 **          (the) Max           **
 **  e-mail: themax@mbox.vol.it  **
 **********************************

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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 12:06:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Paul Nguyen <st8av@bayou.uh.edu>
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> > Joe wrote:
> > 
> > >WHAT THE HELL???
> > >
> > >	I just bought a Sandra album from that germanmusic place online.  
> > >I got it yesterday.  I bought "The Long Play".  I got it for one reason, 
> > >you guys said it sounds like Enigma.  It's not even remotely close to Enigma!
> > >In fact, it is my not-so-humble opinion that it sucks!  It sounds more 
> > >like Belinda Carlile, or Tiffany, or Bonnie Tyler.  I hate that shit!  What
> > >the hell?  How can you guys compare Sandra with Enigma?  Are any of her 
> > >other albums any closer to the sound of Enigma, or do they all suck?

Man, you don't got to write an essay :) Point is, Joe was looking for music 
that sounds like Enigma, and frankly, Sandra's music just won't cut it.  
Granted 'the journey' is similiar in ways, i don't think Joe is going to 
dish out 20+ bucks for that one song.  I think what Joe's looking for is 
'Gregorian' or 'the ultimate sadeness compilation' or whatever it is, if 
he wants similiar music.  I sure as hell didn't buy my Sandra CDs cause 
it was similiar to ENIGMA.

		
			-Paul Nguyen
			 st8av@bayou.uh.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 16 Feb 96 23:20 +0300
From: alligator@glas.apc.org (Oleg Skrynnik)
Subject: Sandra
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Joe,

   Do  NOT  ever  say  that  SANDRA  is  suck.  It's  only  your dirty
opinion  because  you  don't  ever  hear  good  music.  When you get a
success like Sandra does, you may say that everybody is shit.
   Yes, Sandra is not Enigma-style singer, so what?
   Yes, you don't like Sandra's music, but who cares?
   Talk  to  people  to  understand  who  makes  Enigma-like music and
who  don't.  If  you like such style - buy Deep Forest, Vangelis, Dead
Can Dance.
   By  the  way,  some  of  Sandra songs was written by Michael Cretu,
her husband.
   And I like his taste.

Oleg.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 07:08:57 -0700
From: ssschool@ccinet.ab.ca (Paul R.)
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,

Sorry for my previous post, I used to be on this list a while back so I
forgot to introduce myself this time.  My name is Paul Roffel and I am a 20
year old college student in Grande Prairie, Alberta, Canada.  I absolutely
LOVE Enigma, although way up here in the boonies the selection of their
CD's is very limited.  I do have MCMXC a.d. and COC and I did manage to get
my hands on MCMXC a.d. Limited Edition (I love the remix of Rivers of
Belief).

Someone who used to be on this list was nice enough to send my a copy of a
tape he had made with a whole bunch of Sandra music on it. :-)  He also
sent me a partial list of the songs that were on it, but he had forgotten
most of what he had put on it.  Anyway, I really enjoyed the music and did
manage to special order in "Into a Secret Land"  which has some really nice
songs on it.

The only problem is my computer crashed on my just before Christmas and I
lost everything including my email adresses so I cannot get in touch with
the guy who sent me the tape. :-(  So I was wondering if any of you could
help me out, there are some songs of Sandra's that I really enjoy and would
like to have on CD, but I cannot just order blindly hoping that they will
be on the CD I buy because they come in at over twice the cost of a regular
CD.  So I was hoping you could tell me which CD the following songs come
from, but I don't know if the titles are correct because I had to guess on
most of them...

Son of a Time Machine
Knights in White Satin
Tell Me More
Invisible Shelter
Maria Magdalena
Return to Zero

Thanks for your help in advance...


 __________
|__________|
| aul Roffel <ssschool@ccinet.ab.ca>

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 17:19:00 DST
From: Flemming Balvig <krimbalv@pc.ibt.dk>
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma Mailing List <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

These are all on Fading Shades, Sandra's most recent album,
and actually it's called Nights (with an "N") in White Satin...:-)

>Son of a Time Machine
>Knights in White Satin
>Tell Me More
>Invisible Shelter


I'm afraid I don't know about these, but I'm sure someone else can tell you 
on which album you can find them.

>Maria Magdalena
>Return to Zero


Jens :-)

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 18:43:50 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Paul Roffel wrote:

>So I was hoping you could tell me which CD the following songs come
>from, but I don't know if the titles are correct because I had to guess on
>most of them...
>
>Son of a Time Machine
>Knights in White Satin
>Tell Me More
>Invisible Shelter
>Maria Magdalena
>Return to Zero

The first four songs are from the album "Fading Shades". Maria Magdalena is
from "The Long Play" or "The 18 Greatest Hits". The last one is not actually
called "Return to Zero" but it is called "Don't Cry(the breakup of the
world)" and it is originally from the album "Mirrors".

It is difficult for me to tell you about Sandra CDs in US because the albums
that are sold here are sometimes different with those from US. For example,
the album "Everlusting Love" was a US release and in Europe there is no such
Sandra album called "Everlusting Love". Here in Europe, the song
"Everlusting Love" appeared in the compilation "Ten on One". In short, there
are differences in US and Europe releases. 

Ye Min Than
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 12:29:00 -0100
From: Gianni Sercu <Gianni.Sercu@ping.be>
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello,

>the album "Everlusting Love" was a US release and in Europe there is no such
>Sandra album called "Everlusting Love". Here in Europe, the song
>"Everlusting Love" appeared in the compilation "Ten on One". In short, there
>are differences in US and Europe releases. 

And what is on this cd ? I never heard of it, bit I think it has to be a
compilation cd especially for the US market ?

Greetings,

Gianni

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 07:37:35 -0700
From: ssschool@ccinet.ab.ca (Paul R.)
Subject: Sandra
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Thank you all for your replies to my previous question on Sandra.  Thanks
to you I will soon have "Fading Shades" on order and I already know what it
will have on it (or at least some of it anyway).

Just wanted to say thanks...


 __________
|__________|
| aul Roffel <ssschool@ccinet.ab.ca>

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 13:16 SAT
From: jjimenez@reuna.cl (Jorge Jimenez)
Subject: Sandra's album
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi, all:

Any body knows where can I find the following Sandra's songs ?

        "Just Like Diamons"
        "Crazy Juliet"
        "La Vista de Luna"
        "Celebrate Your Life"
        "Children Of England"

thanks in advance.

Jorge Jimenez - Chile

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 20:26:41 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: Sandra's album
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Jorge,

> Any body knows where can I find the following Sandra's songs ?
> 
>         "Just Like Diamons"
>         "Crazy Juliet"
>         "La Vista de Luna"
>         "Celebrate Your Life"
>         "Children Of England"

These are on the album Into A Secret Land (1988), along with the songs
'Secret Land', 'We'll Be Together', 'Heaven Can Wait' and 'Around
My Heart'. This album is my favourite Sandra album, along with Close
To Seven, as the songs are so energetic and joyful, quite happy
music. Very much recommended!


Joar

-- 
  Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no     ///     WWW: Enigma/Sandra
 http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/    ///     Eschew obfuscation.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:37:40 -0800 (PST)
From: claudio@sco.COM
Subject: Sandra's album
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> Any body knows where can I find the following Sandra's songs ?
> 
>         "Just Like Diamons"
>         "Crazy Juliet"
>         "La Vista de Luna"
>         "Celebrate Your Life"
>         "Children Of England"
> 
> thanks in advance.
> 
> Jorge Jimenez - Chile

They're on the album "Into A Secret Land".

claudio

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:01:35 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Sandra's album
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all

Jorge Jimenez wrote:

>Any body knows where can I find the following Sandra's songs ?
>
>        "Just Like Diamons"
>        "Crazy Juliet"
>        "La Vista de Luna"
>        "Celebrate Your Life"
>        "Children Of England"
>

These songs are from the album "Into a Secret Land". 

There are a number of great songs in that album, especially the song "Secret
Land" where in the second part of the chorus, Sandra's voice is dubbed. It
makes her voice sounds like it is coming from far away(echoic kind of
noise). A kind of mono noise. It is a very neat touch of Michael. Moreover,
the sounds of synthesizers are brilliant on that song!!! I think it's one of
Sandra's best songs. Enjoy the music..... 

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Enjoy listening to the music of "ENIGMA", 

the classic of our times......

*****************************************

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 18:52:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Alexander DeDios <adedios@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Subject: Sandra's album
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Thu, 1 Feb 1996 joarg@hsr.no wrote:

> Hi Jorge, 
> 
> Any body knows where can I find the following Sandra'ssongs ? 
> 
> "Just Like Diamons" 
> "Crazy Juliet" 
> "La Vista de Luna" 
> "Celebrate Your Life" 
> "Children Of England" 
> 
> These are onthe album Into A Secret Land (1988), along with the songs 
> 'Secret Land','We'll Be Together', 'Heaven Can Wait' and 'Around 
> My Heart'. This album is my favourite Sandra album, along with Close 
> To Seven, as the songs are so energetic and joyful, quite happy 
> music. Very much recommended! 
>

I totally agree. This is also my favorite Sandra album. Try CD connection.
They might be able to help you although I think they're a bit on the
expensive side. 

-Alex

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 01:23:58 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Sandra's biography book!!!
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,


Have anyone read the book "Sandra: Phases of a Carrer"???(In German it's
called "Sandra: Stationen Einer Karriere"). The book is in German but I am
not so sure if they published in English or not. The book was released in
1992 and it covered Sandra's career from 1976 when she was a member of
Arabesque until 1992. The book talked about Sandra as a member of Arabesque,
how she met Michael Cretu, her #1 hit singles in 1985 and her tours and
successes. The book also discussed about Sandra's views about animals. All
in all, it is a biography of Sandra as an artist.

If anyone want to order it here is the number

ISBN 3-927801-61-5
Edel Verlag

Remember that the book is written only in German!!! I am not sure if there
is any English version though.....

Ye Min Than

*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 18:21:59 -0800
From: Jeffry McGee <mcgee@redshift.com>
Subject: Sandra Music
To: Enigma Mailing List <Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Bluckbuster Music carries her albums.  She never released anything in 
the U.S.  
-- 
                                 ////
                                (. .) 
              ---------------oOO-(_)-OOo---------------         
                            Jeffry McGee       
                          mcgee@redshift.com
              -----------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 20:50:57 -0800
From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos)
Subject: Sandra Music
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>Bluckbuster Music carries her albums.  She never released anything in
>the U.S.
*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*__*_*_*_**_*_*__*_*_*_*_*_*__*_*_*_**_**_*


Oh Yeah She did.
She released "Everlasting Love" and "Paintings in Yellow" in the USA.

                        Severo From L.A.
                        Check it out my
                    Celebrity Photo Database

           http://www.pacificnet.net/~severo/index.html

                        Severo From L.A.
                        Check it out my
                    Celebrity Photo Database

           http://www.pacificnet.net/~severo/index.html

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 00:45:07 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: Sandra music (fwd)
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:51:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Susan Abbondanza <dabbon@sprite.gremlan.org>
Subject: Sandra music
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello everyone,
	I don't know much about her music except I love everything I ever 
heard.  I looked for her albums in stores for a long time, but I never 
fond any.  Then I heard that its not sold in America.  Is this true?  If 
it is does anyone know how I can get any of her albums.  Any help much 
appreciated.  Thanks.

Dave

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 00:20:36 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: Sandra music (fwd)
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Date: Mon, 5 Feb 96 12:19 SAT
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
From: jjimenez@reuna.cl (Jorge Jimenez)
Subject: Re: Sandra music (fwd)

Hi, Dave
>	I don't know much about her music except I love everything I ever 
>heard.  I looked for her albums in stores for a long time, but I never 
>fond any.  Then I heard that its not sold in America.  Is this true?  If 
>it is does anyone know how I can get any of her albums.  Any help much 
>appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>Dave

I have the same problem, but Try telnet 199.35.15.200 (German music Express).
I'm buying 4 CDs and 2 videos(PAL). It's not too expensive.
I taken this tip in this mailing.

I wish you luck.
Bye, Jorge.

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Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 01:27:03 -0600 (CST)
From: Crazy Joe <jpeters@hawk.depaul.edu>
Subject: Sandra music (fwd)
To: joarg@hsr.no

On Mon, 5 Feb 1996 joarg@hsr.no wrote:

> Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 11:51:20 -0500 (EST)
> From: Susan Abbondanza <dabbon@sprite.gremlan.org>
> Subject: Sandra music
> To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 	I don't know much about her music except I love everything I ever 
> heard.  I looked for her albums in stores for a long time, but I never 
> fond any.  Then I heard that its not sold in America.  Is this true?  If 
> it is does anyone know how I can get any of her albums.  Any help much 
> appreciated.  Thanks.
> 

Dave,

	telnet to 199.35.15.200.  That's germanmusic.  It's a great 
online cd store that has tons of Sandra stuff.

> Dave
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:56:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Jason Echols <whtthndr@bga.com>
Subject: Sandra music (fwd)
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

> > heard.  I looked for her albums in stores for a long time, but I never 
> > fond any.  Then I heard that its not sold in America.  Is this true?  If 


Two other ideas are your local Blockbuster Music ( I have found about 5 
Sandra CDs there, including singles ) and CDNow at http://www.cdnow.com

Both are reliable and have halfway decent prices.

Good luck!

- Jason

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 96 13:28:15 +0300
From: "Sly Golovanov" <enigma@sly.fupm.mipt.ru>
Subject: Sandra vs Enigma
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>           I just bought a Sandra album from that germanmusic place online.
>   I got it yesterday.  I bought "The Long Play".  I got it for one reason,
>   you guys said it sounds like Enigma.  It's not even remotely close to Enigma!
[sux skipped]
>   other albums any closer to the sound of Enigma, or do they all suck?
>
Man, you can like or dislike Sandra's albums, but don't tell 4 all, that it's
sux! U know, I don't like Enigma much, but I don't crying about it.
U'd better talk with that guys, which told U, that Long Play sounds like
Enigma. It's really a BIG mess! In my opinion, we cannot compare Sandra's &
Enigma's songs, because they R quite different, I think. OK, no more words,
that's ALL I wanna say 2 U.
>   Joe
, so angry :)
>

> SLY <                        InterNet: sly@sly.fupm.mipt.ru
                               FidoNet: 2:5020/630.13

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 10:43:15 GMT
From: tba <tec95144@mech.port.ac.uk>
Subject: Save the Rain Forest Music Video
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Does any body know the actual name of this vid/cd rom.  If anybody knows anything 
about please tell us.  I would love to get it


thanks

Steve
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      / /     \(  )/    -----        Always Watching You!!
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:26:40 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: Save the Rain Forest Music Video
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Feb 14, 10:43am, tba wrote:

> Does any body know the actual name of this vid/cd rom.  If anybody knows anything 
> about please tell us.  I would love to get it

You're probably refering to Supermodels In The Rainforest, which
features 8 female models in the rainforests of Costa Rica. The
soundtrack includes music by Enigma, but I don't know which tracks
are used. There seems to be both a video and a CD-ROM release of
this title, which is presented at http://www.supermodel.com/rainforest/.


Joar

-- 
  Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no     ///     WWW: Enigma/Sandra
 http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/    ///     Eschew obfuscation.

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:26:03 -0800 (PST)
From: William Chapple <wcc@efn.org>
Subject: Seven Seal
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Nope. Your right. The seven deadly sins are stuff like killing and such. 
The seven seals are the seals leading to the apocalypse. The blood red 
moon, the death of the last matyr, etc.

		William


On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Arnold wrote:

> In response to Ye Min Tan
> 
> I don't think the Seven Deadly Sins and The Seven Seals are one and the same.
> 
> The Seven Deadly Sins are not in any way related to the end of the world or
> the "rapture" as some call it.  I think it's when the Seven Seals are broken
> is when the end is nigh.
> 
> Correct me if i'm wrong.
> 

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 01:06:50 -0800
From: enigma@address.com (Arnold)
Subject: Seven Seals
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

In response to Ye Min Tan

I don't think the Seven Deadly Sins and The Seven Seals are one and the same.

The Seven Deadly Sins are not in any way related to the end of the world or
the "rapture" as some call it.  I think it's when the Seven Seals are broken
is when the end is nigh.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 17:36:07 +1000
From: david lyons <dave@hiplab.newcastle.edu.au>
Subject: Seven Seals
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Arnold wrote:
> 
> In response to Ye Min Tan
> 
> I don't think the Seven Deadly Sins and The Seven Seals are one and the same.
> 
> The Seven Deadly Sins are not in any way related to the end of the world or
> the "rapture" as some call it.  I think it's when the Seven Seals are broken
> is when the end is nigh.
> 
> Correct me if i'm wrong.

Get the movie THE SEVEN SEALS (with demi moore). It is a fantastic 
movie, and explains these seals perfectly...

...and you are right, it has to do with judgement day (the end of the 
world blah blah.)

Cheers,
DAVE

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 23:41:26 -0800
From: enigmax@ix.netcom.com (Nicolae Popescu Jr. )
Subject: Seven Seals
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

You wrote: 
>
>Arnold wrote:
>> 
>> In response to Ye Min Tan
>> 
>> I don't think the Seven Deadly Sins and The Seven Seals are one and 
the same.
>> 
>> The Seven Deadly Sins are not in any way related to the end of the 
world or
>> the "rapture" as some call it.  I think it's when the Seven Seals 
are broken
>> is when the end is nigh.
>> 
>> Correct me if i'm wrong.
>
>Get the movie THE SEVEN SEALS (with demi moore). It is a fantastic 
>movie, and explains these seals perfectly...
>
>...and you are right, it has to do with judgement day (the end of the 
>world blah blah.)
>
>Cheers,
>DAVE
>

  You can also check out the movie called "Apocalypse Now" it will 
explain lots, its about how we travel in our heads, of bad and evil, 
and our "third eye"
            


<>Slice<>
Nicolae,

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 08:44:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: HUDSON ELIZABETH ANNE <HUDSONEA@dlu.edu>
Subject: Seven Seals
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

NO! THE SEVEN DEADLY SINS ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE SEVEN SEALS. THE SEALS 
ARE THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN AT THE END OF THE WORLD.......

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:35:43 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Seven Seals
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

you are correct.

At 01:06 AM 2/13/96 -0800, you wrote:
>In response to Ye Min Tan
>
>I don't think the Seven Deadly Sins and The Seven Seals are one and the same.
>
>The Seven Deadly Sins are not in any way related to the end of the world or
>the "rapture" as some call it.  I think it's when the Seven Seals are broken
>is when the end is nigh.
>
>Correct me if i'm wrong.
>
>	

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:28:11 -0800
From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos)
Subject: Shadows over my head
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Andreas

Thanks for the info on Shadows. I had no Idea. Now I am gonna run and try
to find that michael cretu album.
Thanks


>Hi!
>>   I love sandra and all her songs.My favorite is Sisters and brothers from
>>   the Long Play albun and Shadows from the Close to Seven album.
>Shadows is a Cover-Version from the song "Shadows over my head" from Michael
>Cretu (is available on the Moon, Light & Flowers-CD fom M.C., Polydor, 1979),
>but Sandra's Version is much better.
>
>Bye,
>Bachi (Andreas_Bachmaier@msn.com)
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>JOHNNY ISN'T JUST A NAME,
>he stands for every creature's pain - oh no
>Johnny wanna live
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Sandra - Johnny wanna live

                        Severo From L.A.

                    Celebrity Photo Database

           http://www.pacificnet.net/~severo/index.html

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 22:00:09 -0500
From: zzhughesb@admin.winthrop.edu
Subject: SLIVER?
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I just wanted to reply to the claim that "Principles of Lust is on the 
"Sliver" soundtrack.  I have the CD (I bought it as soon as it was 
released in 1993) and it isn't on mine, just "Carly's Song" and "Carly's 
Lonliness" are.  I know a version of "Principles of Lust" was in the 
movie, but are you sure it is on your CD??  Did they add it at a later 
date??
Brian

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Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:54:27 -0500
From: MadaMocha@aol.com
Subject: SLIVER?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

In a message dated 96-02-12 01:17:28 EST, zzhughesb@admin.winthrop.edu
writes:

>I just wanted to reply to the claim that "Principles of Lust is on the 
>"Sliver" soundtrack.  I have the CD (I bought it as soon as it was 
>released in 1993) and it isn't on mine, just "Carly's Song" and "Carly's 
>Lonliness" are.  I know a version of "Principles of Lust" was in the 
>movie, but are you sure it is on your CD??  Did they add it at a later 
>date??
>Brian
>
>

I asked this questions many times and no one knew what I was talking about.
 I knew there was another Enigma song on that soundtrack and was quite upset
when it wasn't on the U.S. soundtrack release.  Well, long story short - I
think it's on the European soundtrack, not U.S.  (Gavin enlightened me on
this one.  Thanks Gavin!)

Ciao 4 Now!

MadaMocha : ) :) :) 

Remember - If you believe in joy, it's because of Sadeness....

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:38:49 -0500
From: GABBY19973@aol.com
Subject: SLIVER?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I too was wondering the same thing. This may sound too forward but...my
favorite song in the entire movie was when they were "together" ( that's as
polite a way I can think of too say it) . I think that was the best song in
the movie...but it isn't on the soundtrack nor on the cd's from Enigma. I'm
just wondering where I can find this version of the song...


Kristen

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:27:35 -0500
From: MadaMocha@aol.com
Subject: SLIVER?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

In a message dated 96-02-13 22:23:52 EST, GABBY19973@aol.com writes:

>I too was wondering the same thing. This may sound too forward but...my
>favorite song in the entire movie was when they were "together" ( that's as
>polite a way I can think of too say it) . I think that was the best song in
>the movie...but it isn't on the soundtrack nor on the cd's from Enigma. I'm
>just wondering where I can find this version of the song...
>
>
>Kristen

I TOTALLY agree!  The Violent US mix on Sadeness Part 1 single has the same
effect.  Enigma is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOD!

You can find the song on the Principles of Lust single (I don't have) and the
limited edition of 1990 (I do have - wonderful!)


MadaMocha

Remember - if you believe in joy, it's because of Sadeness....

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 05:56:25 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: SLIVER?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,

Kristen wrote:

>I too was wondering the same thing. This may sound too forward but...my
>favorite song in the entire movie was when they were "together" ( that's as
>polite a way I can think of too say it) . I think that was the best song in
>the movie...but it isn't on the soundtrack nor on the cd's from Enigma. I'm
>just wondering where I can find this version of the song...
>

Yes, I agree. That remix is called "Everlusting Lust Mix" which you can find
on "MCMXC a.D." Limited Edition CD and on the single CD "Principles of Lust.
The sample taken for that scence in "Sliver" is from 2:39 to 3:00 of
"Everlusting Lust Mix". In all the remixes of "Principles of Lust" that I
have heard, "Omen Mix" is the best and I love it enormously!!! It is very
different from the original version and other remixes. It has new tunes,
sounds, vocals, and moreover it has a  faster beat!!! "Omen Mix" is the
coolest one......very much recommanded for Enigmites.......

Ye Min Than
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 22:35:38 -0500
From: MadaMocha@aol.com
Subject: Speaking of soundtracks...
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi All!

Any Boxing Helena fans out there?  Sadeness has a great meaning in that
movie.  Anyone know where I can buy a copy of that movie/soundtrack?


More later...

MadaMocha
Remember - if you believe in joy, it's because of Sadeness....

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 04:22:20 -0500 (EST)
From: GWILLOUGHBY@lakers.lssu.edu
Subject: Stir it Up
To: Enigma <enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Why do some people have to "say" things to others- when they know they 
are making some people mad with their opinions.  Ive never listened to 
Sandra's albums, but I know she has a great voice.  Ohh Well, some people 
just have to understand that getting negative attention IS worse than not 
getting any at all.  Ps calm down and listen to...

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 21:37:39 -0800
From: Jeffry McGee <mcgee@redshift.com>
Subject: Supermodels In The Rainforest CD-ROM
To: Enigma Mailing List <Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

I just bought the "Supermodels In The Rainforest CD-ROM," and, yes, it 
does have Enigma on it.  "Sadeness" and "Find Love" are used on the 
CD-ROM, as is "Come Undone" by Duran Duran and "Keep On Movin'" by Soul 
II Soul.
-- 
                                 ////
                                (. .) 
              ---------------oOO-(_)-OOo---------------         
                            Jeffry McGee       
                          mcgee@redshift.com
              -----------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 14:21:04 -0600
From: Stephen Buck <sb7421@acs.brockport.edu>
Subject: Supermodels In The Rainforest CD-ROM
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Jeffry McGee wrote:
> 
> I just bought the "Supermodels In The Rainforest CD-ROM," and, yes, it
> does have Enigma on it.  "Sadeness" and "Find Love" are used on the
> CD-ROM, as is "Come Undone" by Duran Duran and "Keep On Movin'" by Soul
> II Soul.
> --
>                                  ////
>                                 (. .)
>               ---------------oOO-(_)-OOo---------------
>                             Jeffry McGee
>                           mcgee@redshift.com
>               -----------------------------------------

Where did you get this...can you order it somewhere on the web?

-- 
Stephen Buck
mailto:sb7421@acs.brockport.edu
http://www.acs.brockport.edu/~sb7421/
http://www.acs.brockport.edu/~csclub/
--

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 19:47:47 -0700
From: tran <tran@netvoyage.net>
Subject: The Art of Noise's www
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 15:01:53 +0200 (EET)
From: Laura Porceddu <lau@vipunen.hut.fi>
Subject: The Gregorian chants
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all!
Someone wrote about that the chants in 'MCMXC a.D.' and I thought to tell 
a thing I've myself discovered...
In the song 'Mea Culpa', at least the album (catholic) version... the 
monks are singing 'Kyrie eleison, christe eleison'.. meaning 'Lord 
forgive, Christ forgive'...
At least I think they do.
       Sebastian Porceddu

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 21:41:51 PST
From: "worthe" <worthe@email.averydennison.com>
Subject: Time to introduce myself.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

     Hi everyone,
     
     I've been on the Enigma-digest list for a while now but haven't got 
     round to saying "hello". My name's Elliot, I'm 24 and a huge fan of 
     Enigma. I'm working in Maidenhead, England in PC Support, have been 
     for 11 months now.
     
     I started following Engima since 'Sadeness' so have been a fan since 
     the start. Subsequenty my collection isn't too bad though I'm always 
     on the look-out for more:
     
     Albums:
                 MCMXC a.D
                 Return to Innocence
     CD Singles:    
                 The Eyes of Truth
                 Age of Lonliness
     Tape Singles:
                 Mea Culpa Part II 
                 Mea Culpa Part II (Maxi Cassette)
     Vinyl 12":
                 Rivers of Belief
                 Sadeness Part I
                 Principles of Lust
                 Return to Innocence       
     Video:
                 MCMXC a.D
     
     I've also given a listen to Deep Forest and Dead Can Dance but neither 
     has been able to compete with the unique sound of Enigma. Looking 
     forward to Enigma #3 later this year - must admit RTI did quite live 
     up to MCMXC a.D - so I'm expecting something special from Cretu!       
         
     Other music tastes, non-Engima like include: Alanis Morisette, Crowded 
     House, Enya, Chris Isaak and REM.
     
     Enigma quirk - all my passwords are Enigma related...maybe I shouldn't 
     tell you guys this!! :)
     
     Elliot.
     ---
     Musical accompaniment for the construction of this e-mail:
     The Eyes of Truth: The Gotterdaemmerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods) 
     ---

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 09:53:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Marc Harris                       /   Racquetball Addict <cmh4993@silver.sdsmt.edu>
Subject: Time to introduce myself.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi.


	This is my intro:

		Name:  Marc Harris
		Address:  2729 Maple Ave.
			  Rapid City, SD 57701
			  USA
		Phone:  (605) - 394 - 2882
		email:  cmh4993@silver.sdsmt.edu

		Occupation:  Fool (student, senior year)

	I subscribed to this newsgroup because I have heard one of 
Sandra's songs (Midnight Man) and desperately want to acquire more of her 
work.  My main interest in the group is therefore Sandra, but the 
intelligent, thorough conversation of Enigma's music may inspire me to 
purchase something of their manufacture.

	By the way, if anyone has a way to acquire Sandra cd's from the 
rural midwest (like South Dakota), I be most appreciative of any info.  
Thanks.


Marc

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 16:18:58 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Time to introduce myself.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>     Vinyl 12":

Okay I'm going to sound really stupid now but what is Vinyl 12"?  I have no
idea.  Is it like a record or something?  Pardon my stupidity.      -Nilay



                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
    Old mathematicians never die, they just disintergrate.

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 19:39:42 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Time to introduce myself.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

record.  IT was media for playing music that was used in the early to mid twentieth century.  It is an obsolete device, but some people still choose to cling to the past . ;-)  No question is stupid.. only the answers you get for them are sometimes.<g>  Ask anything you feel you need to.
--Brandon

At 04:18 PM 2/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>     Vinyl 12":
>
>Okay I'm going to sound really stupid now but what is Vinyl 12"?  I have no
>idea.  Is it like a record or something?  Pardon my stupidity.      -Nilay
>
>
>
>                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
>                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
>  
>    Old mathematicians never die, they just disintergrate.
>
>	

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Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 22:53:07 -0800
From: enigma@address.com (Arnold)
Subject: Time to introduce myself.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>
>>     Vinyl 12":
>
>Okay I'm going to sound really stupid now but what is Vinyl 12"?  I have no
>idea.  Is it like a record or something?  Pardon my stupidity.      -Nilay
>

Nilay,

Before the advent of the CD - when records (vinyls) used to be the medium to
listen to music (aside from tapes), record companies used to release singles
in 12" vinyls.  They are singles of a particular song but the reason they
call it 12" singles is to differentiate them from the 45rpm records - the
ones that can only fit 1 song on each side.  The 12" vinyls usually contain
remixes of singles, longer versions of singles and sometimes 2 songs on each
side of the record.  --- GAD! I feel old ---   :)

Arnold
enigma@address.com


>
>
>                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
>                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
>  
>    Old mathematicians never die, they just disintergrate.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:09:38 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Time to introduce myself.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Thanks

>record.  IT was media for playing music that was used in the early to mid
twentieth century.  It is an obsolete device, but some people still choose
to cling to the past . ;-)  No question is stupid.. only the answers you get
for them are sometimes.<g>  Ask anything you feel you need to.
>--Brandon
>
>At 04:18 PM 2/26/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>>     Vinyl 12":
>>
>>Okay I'm going to sound really stupid now but what is Vinyl 12"?  I have no
>>idea.  Is it like a record or something?  Pardon my stupidity.      -Nilay
>>
>>
>>
>>                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
>>                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
>>  
>>    Old mathematicians never die, they just disintergrate.
>>
>>	
>
>


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
              No matter what you undertake, you
          will never do it untill you think you can

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Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 22:12:04 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Time to introduce myself.
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>>
>Nilay,
>
>Before the advent of the CD - when records (vinyls) used to be the medium to
>listen to music (aside from tapes), record companies used to release singles
>in 12" vinyls.  They are singles of a particular song but the reason they
>call it 12" singles is to differentiate them from the 45rpm records - the
>ones that can only fit 1 song on each side.  The 12" vinyls usually contain
>remixes of singles, longer versions of singles and sometimes 2 songs on each
>side of the record.  --- GAD! I feel old ---   :)
>
>Arnold
>enigma@address.com

Don't feel bad.  I feel like a baby.  At least now I know what's going on.
Thanks


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
              No matter what you undertake, you
          will never do it untill you think you can

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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 20:54:48 -0800
From: Jeffry McGee <mcgee@redshift.com>
Subject: Two Questions...
To: Enigma Mailing List <Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>

Two questions:

1.)  On what CD(s) does the "Omen" mix of Principles Of Lust appear?

2.)  Does anyone know if there are any Quicktime clips of Enigma videos 
available anywhere?
-- 
                                 ////
                                (. .) 
              ---------------oOO-(_)-OOo---------------         
                            Jeffry McGee       
                          mcgee@redshift.com
              -----------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 08:58:55 GMT
From: tba <tec95144@mech.port.ac.uk>
Subject: Two Questions...
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I do believe that it appears on the limited edition cd

Steve
================================================================================

        .---.        .-----------
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      / /     \(  )/    -----        Always Watching You!!
     //////   ' \/ `   ---
    //// / // :    : ---           
   // /   /  /`    '--       E-Mail: tec95144@mech.port.ac.uk
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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 13:12:53 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Two Questions...
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi all,

Jeffry wrote:

>Two questions:
>
>1.)  On what CD(s) does the "Omen" mix of Principles Of Lust appear?
>
It appears only on the single Maxi-CD of "Principles of Lust". The tracks
are.....

- Principles of Lust

1. Radio Edit
2. Everlusting Lust Mix
3. The Omen Mix
4. Sadness(Meditation Mix)

I think it quite hard to find that single now but it also contains one of
the best Enigma remixes which is "The Omen Mix", of course!!! I believe it's
worth searching so good luck....... 

>2.)  Does anyone know if there are any Quicktime clips of Enigma videos 
>available anywhere?

This I really don't have any idea.....

Ye Min Than
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 1996 20:16:02 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Two Questions...
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I have the Omen Remix to the principles of Lust on my Age of Lonliness CD single.

--Brandon

Definteyl one of the best remixes by Enigma.

At 01:12 PM 2/15/96 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Jeffry wrote:
>
>>Two questions:
>>
>>1.)  On what CD(s) does the "Omen" mix of Principles Of Lust appear?
>>
>It appears only on the single Maxi-CD of "Principles of Lust". The tracks
>are.....
>
>- Principles of Lust
>
>1. Radio Edit
>2. Everlusting Lust Mix
>3. The Omen Mix
>4. Sadness(Meditation Mix)
>
>I think it quite hard to find that single now but it also contains one of
>the best Enigma remixes which is "The Omen Mix", of course!!! I believe it's
>worth searching so good luck....... 
>
>>2.)  Does anyone know if there are any Quicktime clips of Enigma videos 
>>available anywhere?
>
>This I really don't have any idea.....
>
>Ye Min Than
>*****************************************
>
>Discover the new phenomenon in music,....
>
>the exquisite music of ENIGMA............
>
>*****************************************
>
>  
>
>	

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 01:33:48 +0100
From: joarg@hsr.no
Subject: Two Questions...
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

On Feb 14,  8:54pm, Jeffry McGee wrote:

> 1.)  On what CD(s) does the "Omen" mix of Principles Of Lust appear?

The Omen Mix of 'Principles Of Lust' appears on the UK and Japanese
CD-singles of Principles Of Lust, the UK The Eyes Of Truth "Singles
Collection" CD-single and the US Age Of Loneliness CD-single.


Joar

-- 
  Joar Grimstvedt, joarg@hsr.no     ///     WWW: Enigma/Sandra
 http://www.stud.his.no/~joarg/    ///     Eschew obfuscation.

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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 15:38:34 -0700 (MST)
From: "<athutton@acs.ucalgary.ca>" <athutton@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Videos
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I read in the message I got today that someone have a video called 
"MCMXC a.D." - is this the one that's also called "Visions of 
Sadeness" or is this something completely different?  I ordered, 
"Videos Part I" but it seems as though it only has the videos for 
"Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa" on them, and I'd rather order the one that 
has more videos on it.  Could someone tell me, what videos are on the 
other ones.  Thanks.

A.

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:43:50 -0700 (MST)
From: "<athutton@acs.ucalgary.ca>" <athutton@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Videos Part I
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi.  I was just wondering if someone might be able to tell me what 
videos are on Enigma's "Videos Part I".  I ordered it yesterday.  
Also, how does it compare to "Visions of Sadeness"?  Thanks.

Andrew

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 11:43:42 -0800
From: severo@pacificnet.net (severino ramos)
Subject: Videos Part I
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Andrew

The videos part I have only Sadeness and Mea culpa. If you ordering Vision
of Sadeness check if has the other two also otherwise you've been paying
for duplicates.

Severo


>Hi.  I was just wondering if someone might be able to tell me what
>videos are on Enigma's "Videos Part I".  I ordered it yesterday.
>Also, how does it compare to "Visions of Sadeness"?  Thanks.
>
>Andrew

                        Severo From L.A.

                    Celebrity Photo Database

           http://www.pacificnet.net/~severo/index.html

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 14:45:53 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Videos Part I
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

I'll buy a duplicate from you !!

if you have eaccidentyl bought the same thing. :-)
--Brandon

At 11:43 AM 2/18/96 -0800, you wrote:
>Andrew
>
>The videos part I have only Sadeness and Mea culpa. If you ordering Vision
>of Sadeness check if has the other two also otherwise you've been paying
>for duplicates.
>
>Severo
>
>
>>Hi.  I was just wondering if someone might be able to tell me what
>>videos are on Enigma's "Videos Part I".  I ordered it yesterday.
>>Also, how does it compare to "Visions of Sadeness"?  Thanks.
>>
>>Andrew
>
>                        Severo From L.A.
>
>                    Celebrity Photo Database
>
>           http://www.pacificnet.net/~severo/index.html
>
>
>	

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 19:03:11 -0600
From: Brandon Rhymes <Rocky.R@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Videos Part I
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

How much does it cost ??
--Brandon

At 02:45 PM 2/18/96 -0600, you wrote:
>I'll buy a duplicate from you !!
>
>if you have eaccidentyl bought the same thing. :-)
>--Brandon
>
>At 11:43 AM 2/18/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>Andrew
>>
>>The videos part I have only Sadeness and Mea culpa. If you ordering Vision
>>of Sadeness check if has the other two also otherwise you've been paying
>>for duplicates.
>>
>>Severo
>>
>>
>>>Hi.  I was just wondering if someone might be able to tell me what
>>>videos are on Enigma's "Videos Part I".  I ordered it yesterday.
>>>Also, how does it compare to "Visions of Sadeness"?  Thanks.
>>>
>>>Andrew
>>
>>                        Severo From L.A.
>>
>>                    Celebrity Photo Database
>>
>>           http://www.pacificnet.net/~severo/index.html
>>
>>
>>	
>	

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 10:20:04 MST
From: "Josh Johnson" <JJOHNSON@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us>
Subject: Videos Part I
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

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Hi.  I was just wondering if someone might be able to tell me what 
videos are on Enigma's "Videos Part I".  I ordered it yesterday.  
Also, how does it compare to "Visions of Sadeness"?  Thanks.

Andrew



Sadeness, and Mea Culpa, I think!!!!

                              Josh Johnson
                          San Juan High School
                             311 N 100 E.     
                         Blanding, Utah 84511  
                                e-mail:          
                     jjohnson@sjhs.sanjuan.k12.ut.us  
**************************************************************************
 " M A N  I S  T H E  D R E A M  O F  T H E  D R E A M  O F  T H E
            D O L P H I N"- from  Dream of the Dolphin, ENIGMA
                     The CROSS of Changes

  
                  
                  
                    

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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 09:39:37 -0700
From: CHOMOS PAUL EDWARD <CHOM0666@ADC.MTROYAL.AB.CA>
Subject: Welcome to enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello! My name is Paul E.Chomos. I'm a 21 year old television 
broadcasting student at Mount Royal College, Calgary, Canada. I have 
both the first Enigma disk, and Enigma2, the cross of changes. The 
first Enigma song I ever heard was Sadness, and after that I was 
hooked. I also listen to U2, KMFDM, Queen, Doors, and anything
else that stimulates......except Country/western. I have a
question. Who is the young woman who stars on the "Sadness" video?
Cheers,

Paul Edward Chomos.
 

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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 14:22:24 +0200 (EET)
From: Laura Porceddu <lau@vipunen.hut.fi>
Subject: Welcome to enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hello Paul! 
I answer your question.. the woman is Sandra (Cretu), who also sings the 
lyrics in the song.
      -Sebastian Porceddu

On Thu, 1 Feb 1996, CHOMOS PAUL EDWARD wrote:

> 
> 
> Hello! My name is Paul E.Chomos. I'm a 21 year old television 
> broadcasting student at Mount Royal College, Calgary, Canada. I have 
> both the first Enigma disk, and Enigma2, the cross of changes. The 
> first Enigma song I ever heard was Sadness, and after that I was 
> hooked. I also listen to U2, KMFDM, Queen, Doors, and anything
> else that stimulates......except Country/western. I have a
> question. Who is the young woman who stars on the "Sadness" video?
> Cheers,
> 
> Paul Edward Chomos.
>  
> 

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 1996 15:57:59 +1100 (EST)
From: Gavin Stok <gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au>
Subject: Welcome to enigma
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Laura and Paul. Paul recently asked which female starred in the
"Sadness" video to which Laura replied:
 
> I answer your question.. the woman is Sandra (Cretu), who also sings the 
> lyrics in the song.

  This is actually incorrect. Yes, Sandra sings the lyrics in the song,
but she does NOT appear in the video. I am not sure of the name of the
person who does, but undoubtedly it's some model that the music video
director chose.

Cheers,

Gavin Stok
(Enigma Mailing List President)

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 96 22:10:46 +0300
From: "Sly Golovanov" <enigma@sly.fupm.mipt.ru>
Subject: Welcome to enigma
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

>   *  Name
Sly Golovanov
>   *  Age
20
>   *  What is in your Enigma collection
My Enigma collection contains...0 disks! Confused? Me too! ;-)
Just because I'm Sandra's FAN. I'm interested in her own songs.
So I have such her albums as:
 Long Play
 Mirrors
 Into a Secret Land
 Paintings in Yellow
 Close to Seven
 18 Greatest Hits
 Fading Shades
>   *  Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are
Sandra. We talk about Sandra :)
First I have heard Sandra... Hmmm.. ? Maybe at '89. Have heard some of her
songs, then got "Long Play" on long play :) Then other albums on cassettes and
CDs... So now I have pretty good collection... AND I LIKE IT! If U know, what
I mean... :)
>   *  Other artists you like
That's a hard question to answer... I like some Russian groups (I'm from
Russia, have I mention it?), but I'm afraid U have heard nothing about them :(
>From foreign artists and groups... There is no other artist like Sandra :)
I mean no one of artists makes me like ALL his (her) songs. Actually, I like
very different kinds of music. RAP, for example. 8) And I like some songs
of "Nine Inch Nails". |>------ (it's a nail ;) )
>   *  What course or job you're doing (if any)
No permanent job at this time. I'm a student of Moscow Institute of Physics
and Technology
>   *  Any other interesting information you wish to share
Just for info: I live in Russia (as I sad before), near Moscow, in small town
called Dolgoprudny. Have a sister at the age of 15. I like books (Fantasy and
SF - Robert Asprin, Garry Garrison, Robert A. Heinlein are my favorites),
like video (Action, SF, just good films; like Bruce Willis and James Belushi)
But I prefer to spend time at the computer :) Coding, playing, reading mail
:)
OK, that's all I want to say. (Sometimes my English is BAD. Sorry. I would
glad to corrext my errors with your help, really).
Bye!

>SLY<

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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 09:06:45 +0000
From: Pedro Hernandez -- InfoMed <PHDEZ@info1.sld.cu>
Subject: Welcome to enigma-digest
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Enigmites:

Sorry, I sent the following message to Enigma Digest because of my 
inexperience.

I hope you understand (Gavin and the others)

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Hi Enigmites:

I'm new on this very interesting list, and here's who I am ...

> *  Name       Pedro Hernandez
> *  Age        24
> *  What is in your Enigma collection
Actually, nothing. I mean, I had a cassette with the MCMXC a.D. but I 
lent it to someone and this person (at now I don't remember who is) never 
return it to me. Affortunately, a friend of mine who is subscribed to this 
list too, will borrow me some of his cassettes of Enigma.

> *  Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are
I heard MCMXC a.D. in March 1990, here in Cuba. Some friends had it, and I 
(of course) immediately recorded it on one of my cassettes, because since 
this moment, I've been really "fall in love" with Enigma. Then my mum, 
every day, said me: "Please, stop it", so you can imagine if I am or not a 
fanatic of Enigma. This happens till my cassette "dissapear".

> *  Other artists you like

Enya, Madonna (differents? wow!), Mecano, Queen, Mariah Carey, k.d.lang (a 
little bit) ... 


> *  What course or job you're doing (if any)
I'm an engineer on Computer Systems and Informatics since 1994. I'm part of 
the Administration Group of Electronic Network for Health Information of 
Cuba.

> *  Any other interesting information you wish to share
I like all the music like Enigma, music for meditation, relaxing. Thats 
why a like Enya, Mecano. But, at the same time, I'm a little bit good 
dancer and I like other kind of music too: Salsa, Madonna, disco music and 
so.

Well, I'm here. All that you want, I'll do my best to help you.

Sorry about my english.

Ciao,  Pedro

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       Ing. en S.A.D.      # 27 # 110 e/ M y N, Vedado, cp. 10400
I N F O M E D - C N I C M  # Telf: (537)32-1991 (VOZ) 
phdez@infomed.sld.cu       # FAX : (537)33-3063  TELEX: 511202 CNICM CU
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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 96 01:23 +0300
From: alligator@glas.apc.org (Oleg Skrynnik)
Subject: Who is Ye Min Than?
To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi everybody,

   I have a question.

   I'm  reading  EML  for  about  month  and  a  half  and  I see many
messages  from  Ye  Min  Than.  All  this  messages  are  interesting,
includes useful information, and a lot of things to think about.

   Well,  I  wanna  know,  who  is  Ye  Min Than? I don't ever saw his
(or  her)  introduction,  because  I'm  in this list not so long time.
Please,  Ye  Min  Than,  introduce  yourself.  Read  questions  in 1st
message to everyone who join EML and answer to it once more.

                                                    with best regards,
                                                           Oleg.

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Date: Sat, 17 Feb 1996 22:41:50 -0500
From: nilay@tiac.net (nilay)
Subject: Who is Ye Min Than?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

 I have a question.
>
>   I'm  reading  EML  for  about  month  and  a  half  and  I see many
>messages  from  Ye  Min  Than.  All  this  messages  are  interesting,
>includes useful information, and a lot of things to think about.
>
>   Well,  I  wanna  know,  who  is  Ye  Min Than? 

Hi.  I'm a friend of Ye Min so I can tell you a little bit about him.  He's
away for a day or so I'll yell you enough to tide you over till he gets back.

He lives in Geneva, Switzerland.  Right now he is attending Webster College
and will be graduating in the spring.  He is the BIGGEST Micheal Cretu fan I
know and has a wonderful collection of Enigma albums and mixes.  

All in all he's a great guy and very intelligent.

nilay 


                   Nilay, the cooler twin's, 
                    Cool Qoute of the Day:             
  
                Old cleaning people never die,
                They just kick the bucket.

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 13:33:09 +0100
From: ymthan@iprolink.ch (Ye Min Than)
Subject: Who is Ye Min Than?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Oleg 

Hi all,

As every member, here is my 'homework':

*  Name: Ye Min Than
*  Age: 23 - Male

*  What is in your Enigma collection (with other Cretu-linked artists too)

ENIGMA:

 - MCMXD a.D. (Normal CD/ Limted Edition CD/ VHS video)
 - The Cross of Changes (normal and Limited Edition CDs)
 - Sliver soundtrack (CD)
         
 Mea culpa part II (Maxi-CD)
 The Principles of lust (Maxi-CD)
 Return to Innocence (Maxi-CD)
 The Eyes of Truth (Maix-CD)
 Age of Loneliness (Maxi-CD)
 Out from the deep (Maxi-CD)

 p.s. Ordered the singles "Rivers of Belief" and "Sadeness Part I".


CRETU & THIERS:

 - Belle Epoque (CD)
 
SANDRA:

 - All albums. I have all Sandra albums in three different forms: cassettes,
vinyl records, and CDs.

 - The 18 Greatest Hits Video VHS

GREGORIAN:

 - Sadisfaction (CD). I haven't received yet though......


*  Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are?

   I first heard Enigma's "Sadeness Part I" on TV and I was immediately
hooked. Although at first, I didn't know that it was Michael Cretu who is
behind Enigma because he used pseudonym "Curly M.C.". Once I learned that it
was Michael who is "Enigma", he became my No.1 favourite musician/composer!!!!!

   Like our friend Max said, I can simply say that in my opinion too Cretu
is the 'god' of music. 


*  Other artists you like

   Enigma-like: Deep Forest, Dead Can Dance, Delerium, Dao Dezi, Indian
Sacred Spirits, Enya, B-tribe,......... 

   Classic: Mozart, Beethoven, Tchekovsky, Chopin.....

   Pop: Gloria Estefan, Kim Wilde, Ace of Base, Pet Shop Boys, A-ha,....

   Dance: Cappella, Culture Beat, Captain Hollywood Project, KLF, Snap,
Magic Affair.....

   Soul(R&B): Toni Braxton, Whitney Houston, Eternal, Browstone.....

   New Age: Jean Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Mike Oldfield,......

   Techno, Trance & Ambient: Cygnus, Earth Nation, Banco de Gaia, Future
Sound of London, Orbital, Pharaoh, Electrotet,..........

   As my favourite composers, I also like John Barry.
       
*  What course or job you're doing (if any)

   I am a final year student at Webster University in Geneva, Switzerland.
And work part-time.......


*  Any other interesting information you wish to share

   I have plans to do music, thanks to the encouragement and helps of my
friend Peter Geisheker who is a professional composer himself and who is
also on this Enigma mailing list. I have a plan to buy a Korg "Trinity Plus"
Workstation synthesizer to compose and work with. I have a slight weakness
and preference for Korg because it is also Michael Cretu's gear and his
favourite brand.....Am I a Cretu "fanatic" or what???:):):)


Bye all,

Ye Min Than
*****************************************

Discover the new phenomenon in music,....

the exquisite music of ENIGMA............

*****************************************

  

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Date: Sun, 18 Feb 1996 23:31:04 -0800
From: bagelboy@best.com (John G. Ingram)
Subject: Who is Ye Min Than?
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Hi Ye Min Than!

I noticed this (below) in your last email.  I may sound like a broken
record to all the folks on the email list; however, I have been in search
of this CD here in the United States for over 3 years.  I still have not
found a copy.  When saying that you have not received it, does this mean
that you have already ordered it from somewhere?  If so, please tell me
where you found it.  I am desperate for this CD!  :-)
>
>GREGORIAN:
>
> - Sadisfaction (CD). I haven't received yet though......
>
>
Please email information to:  bagelboy@best.com

Thanks so much!!!!


JOHN G. INGRAM - San Francisco, CA

TEL: 415.673.5276
PGR: 415.809.1446 OR 800.971.9589

As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates
others. ~ Nelson Mandela, 1994 Inaugural Speech

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 15:05:37 -0700 (MST)
From: rachelle@amug.org (Rachelle Hamblin)
Subject: ~~:)HAPPY LEAP YEAR ENIGMITES!:)~~
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

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Hello Enigmites,:)

        I want to wish you all a...........

                    :)************HAPPY LEAP YEAR!***************:)

        I must also say :)Thank You:) (yes, I know, I always say thank
you-giggles:) to all of you who have sent insightful postings to the EML!
Your postings  ~INSPIRE~ us all to write.:)  It also ~captivates~ the joy
that Enigma & Enigma-like music gives to us all.

         Don, I really enjoyed your post about...................
                   `Michael Cretu-Postmodern Mozart`
        Messages like yours are what make this EML so great to be a part of.

The following is a small portion of Don's message-Enjoy:):

         it seems that Michael Cretu might,in a complementing manner, be
called a "Postmodern Mozart" in that Cretu has the natural ability to make
the most beautiful beat, a relaxing or exciting background, and etc.  The
postmodern part comes into sights when one examines the overwhelming
variety of samplings and noises and beats making a new creation.  He is at
least a post-
modern composer.

      Is that a great post or what?  Wonderful!!:)

        Well, Happy Listening Enigmites!!:)

Love,

                Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin-Phoenix, Arizona, USA




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         ~Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin~
Secretary for Arizona Macintosh User's Group
             rachelle@amug.org
 AMUG Preferred BBS Address:Rachelle Hambli
  FHE-Deer Valley 2nd Branch Head Chairman
                  *Angel*
  His *LOVE* is like a beautiful gentle breeze
Circling my Soul. Erotic & Rivetting passion,
 Hot & exciting. Overflowing my silent sky,
until I'm dancing and singing on the Clouds.
    Written by, Rachelle LaDelle Hamblin
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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 23:26:50 EST
From: "Peri , Jonathan E" <JPERI01@student.ucis.vill.edu>
Subject: ~~:)HAPPY LEAP YEAR ENIGMITES!:)~~
To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au

Thanks for the complement Rachelle.

Just so you know my name is Jon not Don.  
Happy Feb 29th to you too.  Remember you're supposed to do something 
you wouldn't ordinarily do today since it only comes around once 
every four years.

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