Enigma Digest April 1994 Volume 0 : Issue 4 "Intersection" (3 msgs) "Samurai" (2 msgs) 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' videos (5 msgs) Album list (2 msgs) Anne Dudley and Misc other things (2 msgs) B-Tribe (2 msgs) CD connection? CD FOR SALE: Enigma MCMXC a.D. (first album) (fwd) Compiled List (5 msgs) Cross sales DCD DCD and Enigma (3 msgs) Dead Can Dance Dead Can Dance, the info (6 msgs) Dead can Dance info enigma Enigma & DCD (3 msgs) Enigma & Deep Forest Videos (4 msgs) Enigma's debut in the Australian charts (2 msgs) Enigma A.D.MCM..Special Ed & Deep Forest Enigmatic video (8 msgs) Enigmatic video (fwd) (2 msgs) Enigma Volume 3? F.Y.I. (5 msgs) Fwd: Brian Wilson's intro. FWD: Introduction message (2 msgs) FWD: Mail greeting & other stuff Greetings! Greetings! and my intro. (2 msgs) Greetings to y'all! Greets Hello Hello! (6 msgs) HI! I'm looking for. . . (2 msgs) I, Fredrik Emilsson I loe you...i'll kill you I love you...i'll kill you (5 msgs) imart (2 msgs) info on Japanese singles and maybe US singles(semi-long) Intro (4 msgs) Intro... Intro and other stuff Introduction (5 msgs) Introduction... Introduction and a quick question introductions Introductory message Introductory message from Administrator Introductory message from the co-admin Intruduction Limited Edtion (7 msgs) Me? (11 msgs) Might as well.... Minh Tran intro My homework! new New Album: CHANT (3 msgs) Newbie New introductory message (3 msgs) New single? next album ?? Other acts similar to Enigma (5 msgs) Other acts similiar to Enigma Other acts similiar to Enigma (fwd) possible mistake in phone number I gave... Possibly enjoyable music? (3 msgs) Principles of Lust and the video (6 msgs) RCPT: Re: "Intersection" (2 msgs) Related Music: In The Nursery Sadness (3 msgs) Sandra's Albums (2 msgs) Some administration and findings Some comments on "the EYES of Truth" Some Enigma-like tracks Some info on the new single (2 msgs) Status of the list stuff Take me back...to the rivers of belief Thanks to Kavin the EYES of truth (6 msgs) The Eyes Of Truth single the EYES of Truth Video The FTP site is finally active the Japanese Singles... (2 msgs) The Limited Edition (2 msgs) The sincerest form of flagellation (4 msgs) The sincerest form of flagellation (fwd) the singles released... (3 msgs) Wanted: detail review of Return to Innocence Yep, another virgin yet another intro Your turn! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 16:01:29 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: "Intersection" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day! On Australian television recently there have been advertisements for the film "Intersection" featuring Richard Gere and Sharon Stone. In the advertisement Enigma music has been used - the first 7 or 8 seconds of it is Carly's Song, the second 5-7 seconds is Mea Culpa, and the final 1-2 seconds is unknown music (but electronic)..... Has anyone seen the film? If so, does it contain Enigma music? Thanks! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 14:41:01 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: "Intersection" To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 23, 4:01pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > G'day! On Australian television recently there have been advertisements for the > film "Intersection" featuring Richard Gere and Sharon Stone. In the > advertisement Enigma music has been used - the first 7 or 8 seconds of it is > Carly's Song, the second 5-7 seconds is Mea Culpa, and the final 1-2 seconds is > unknown music (but electronic)..... This sits nicely with the fact that Enigma's music was used for the advertisement to the film Boxing Helena. This film, directed by Jennifer Lynch and starring Sherilyn Fenn, used 'Sadeness' as the music for the trailer. I have not seen Boxing Helena, so I don't know if this music was used in the actual film. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 20:52:07 - 1000 From: "ISLAM, RAMIT" Subject: "Intersection" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Unfortunately no; Being an Enigma and Sandra(Cretu's wife&and a beautiful singer,too)freak that was the only reason I went, but Ireally don't remember hearing any good music in it........ but then again I did fall asleep. Maybe over there you guys get to listen to a different soundtrack!? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:58:26 +0200 From: Gunnar Thalin Subject: "Samurai" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Gavin Stok writes: > Hi Gunnar, and welcome to the list! Thanks! And thanks for administrating this great list and for all the Enigma related stuff you put on your site! > I noticed you mentioned that you have the album by Michael Cretu with the track > "Samurai" on it. I was wondering if you could please give me full details of it > for the discography as I don't believe that entry is currently in there. The > details I need to know include: Hmmm... I'm a bit confused, because I just got the Cretu discography from your site, and it seems to be there, The Invisible Man. The only difference is the reference number which is 207 161. Gunnar Thalin d90gth@csd.uu.se ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 08:36:09 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: "Samurai" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) >> I noticed you mentioned that you have the album by Michael Cretu with >> the track "Samurai" on it. I was wondering if you could please give me >> full details of it for the discography as I don't believe that entry is >> currently in there. > > Hmmm... I'm a bit confused, because I just got the Cretu discography from > your site, and it seems to be there, The Invisible Man. The only > difference is the reference number which is 207 161. There are several discographies floating about, including Jason Kraley's Enigma discog and my comprehensive listing which combines information for Sandra, Michael Cretu, Enigma, and Hubert KaH. The one Gavin is putting up is apparently based on mine; I try to keep up with info from all of them so you only have to go to one place for everything. Mine's available from ftp.uwp.edu and will soon also be up on xmission.com (but isn't yet). -- Lazlo (lazlo@carina.unm.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 11:29:25 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Subject: 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone have any information on where the videos for 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' were filmed? The ruined monastery in ' Sadeness' - is this a model? The gates are fascinating in and of themselves. They are clearly inspired by Rodin's Gates of Hell, though not an exact replica. I am fortunate enough to live only a block from the Rodin Museum in Philadelphia, which includes one of the seven casts of the Gates of Hell in its impressive collection. Rodin's art in general seems to be closely related in mood to the music of Enigma - the combination of erotic sensuality with religious intensity . The 'Mea Culpa' video features striking architecture in an unnamed city. Looks like Spain, perhaps Madrid . Any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 17:41:08 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' videos To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 26, 11:29am, FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU wrote: > Does anyone have any information on where the videos for 'Sadeness' and > 'Mea Culpa' were filmed? > The ruined monastery in ' Sadeness' - is this a model? The gates are > fascinating in and of themselves. They are clearly inspired by Rodin's Some of it may be shot in a model in a studio. I read somewhere that this video was shot in Mexico, could this sound plausible? > Gates of Hell, though not an exact replica. I am fortunate enough to live > only a block from the Rodin Museum in Philadelphia, which includes one of > the seven casts of the Gates of Hell in its impressive collection. Rodin's > art in general seems to be closely related in mood to the music of Enigma - > the combination of erotic sensuality with religious intensity . Hmmm, interesting. > The 'Mea Culpa' video features striking architecture in an unnamed city. > Looks like Spain, perhaps Madrid . Any ideas? It could be Spain, as it is Cretu's native country now. I haven't seen the video for a while, but were there only a couple of scenes from this city? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 94 11:45:34 EDT From: ouelle6@server.uwindsor.ca (Ouellette Claude) Subject: 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Perhaps I have simply overlooked a listing or an address somewhere, but, where can I purchase an Enigma video??? Thanx, Claude ouelle6@server.uwindsor.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:12:20 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. And my apologies to all about posting to the list concerning the gentleman and his receipt messages - it was supposed to go to him personally!!! > Does anyone have any information on where the videos for 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' were filmed? I do not know about Mea Culpa, but I believe Sadeness was filmed in Mexico. > The 'Mea Culpa' video features striking architecture in an unnamed city. Looks like Spain, perhaps Madrid . Any ideas? It is very possible since Cretu lives in Spain and "Return to Innocence" was filmed here. Otherwise, it may have been done in Mexico at the same (or similar) time as "Sadeness". Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 17:20:42 - 1000 From: "ISLAM, RAMIT" Subject: 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > From: ouelle6@server.uwindsor.ca (Ouellette Claude) > Subject: Re: 'Sadeness' and 'Mea Culpa' videos > To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Date: Tue, 26 Apr 94 11:45:34 EDT > Reply-to: ENIGMA Distribution List > Perhaps I have simply overlooked a listing or an address somewhere, but, where > can I purchase an Enigma video??? > > > Thanx, > > Claude > > ouelle6@server.uwindsor.ca > > > You can find the short version with "Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa" in probably any major music outlet that carries music videos. As for the long version "Visions of Sadeness", you should check the listing again. If you want to purchase it you may have to special order it, becauase it is an import......... worth about $95(according to the listings) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 23:02:39 -0500 From: aardvark@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (aaron sorrell) Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I've got a quick question for ya. What singles were released in the U.S., besides Mea Culpa, from enigmas first disk? I've only seen Mea Culpa II in the Dayton Ohio area, of course it's not the most musically diverse area in the world either. Second, are the limited edition disks entiled? Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 21:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}]" Subject: Album list To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, guys: I have question for you all, how many albums and singels has Enigma produced? I currently have two album (engima and cross of the change), but after read your posts, i found out that I might have missed a lot of them. Can someone post a list of all albums and singles that Enigma produced? And Please post FAQ if you have one. Thanks a lot. .:. .:::. ***.:::::::.*** *******.:::::::::.******* ********.:::::::::::.******** ********.:::::::::::::.******** *******.::::::'***`::::.******* - Thomas Chen ****.:::'*************`:.**** *.::'*****************`.* .:' *************** . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:59:08 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Album list To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi again. > I have question for you all, how many albums and singels has > Enigma produced? I currently have two album (engima and cross of the > change), but after read your posts, i found out that I might have missed > a lot of them. Can someone post a list of all albums and singles that > Enigma produced? And Please post FAQ if you have one. Thanks a lot. Just to repeat, the FAQ and discographies are coming VERY SOON.... I have to sort things out with system administrators from this end..... then you will all find out everything you need to know! But to answer your question for now: * Enigma has released 2 albums, and a total of 6 singles (7 as of next week).... However some have only been released in certain countries. Gavin Stok (Enigma List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 14:16:57 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: Anne Dudley and Misc other things To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just got done reading the FAQ and Discography(Shameless Plug:Get it! It is great! Very useful!) and noticed references to A sample on CoC:E2 by Anne Dudley. I just checked, and this is the same name as a member of Art of Noise. Is this the same person? If so, the sample referenced was a rather "cultural" instrument, ie: Anne and AoN tend to do strictly e-music and play heavily on samples themselves. The actual borrowed sample was said to be a traditional music instrument(can't find reference at the moment) So: Was that sample itself a sample(doubtful, but...)? One other question is about the video collection mentioned: I have never seen any videos by Enigma until "Return to Innocence" and I am wondering about the flavor of these videos. Is it worth getting?(silly question, I know 8-}) Deep Forest Ob mention: I really like their released song, and I was hoping for some mixing magic like Enigma does on their singles. Alas...If you are thinking about getting the single to "Sweet Lullaby" I would not reccommend it on the strength of the extra mixes(IMHO) I have been listening and re-listening to E2 all morning while reading all this new info...Gavin, you are right! Best at loud volumes!!! This thing is DEEP. 8-} Brian Wilson wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 19:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: Anne Dudley and Misc other things To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Blooberry muffins! wrote: > I just got done reading the FAQ and Discography(Shameless Plug:Get it! It > is great! Very useful!) and noticed references to A sample on CoC:E2 > by Anne Dudley. I just checked, and this is the same name as a member of > Art of Noise. Is this the same person? If so, the sample referenced was a > rather "cultural" instrument, ie: Anne and AoN tend to do strictly e-music > and play heavily on samples themselves. The actual borrowed sample was > said to be a traditional music instrument(can't find reference at the moment) > So: Was that sample itself a sample(doubtful, but...)? Anne Dudley and Jaz Coleman collaborated to make an album: Songs from the Victorious City. It is the same Anne Dudley from Art Of Noise (and I think Jaz Coleman is from Killing Joke). The album was inspired by a trip to Egypt and the music is very cultural and not at all entirely electronic. Remember that Dudley is responsible for orchestration on _many_ artists' albums. I recommend the album but don't expect AoN. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John N. Underwood "The dreams in which I'm dying are the junderw@cs.clemson.edu best I've ever had" - Roland Orzabal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 12:03:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Lanny Potts Subject: B-Tribe To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Check out B-Tribe (they're a cross between Enigma and Deep Forest); wailing vocal-flamenco solo guitar world music with a very grooving track throughout (the title track to _Fiesta Fatal_ was actually a top 10 dance track in the U.S last year). The album just came out recently--very interesting. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 11:31:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hi! ;) " Subject: B-Tribe To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 13 Apr 1994, Lanny Potts wrote: > Check out B-Tribe (they're a cross > between Enigma and Deep > Forest); wailing vocal-flamenco solo guitar world music with a very grooving > track throughout (the title track to _Fiesta Fatal_ was actually a top 10 > dance track in the U.S last year). The album just came out recently--very > interesting. > > Mike > Actually, I think that Barcelona-Tribe is a mix of Gypsy Kings and Enigma, same beat as Sadeness in most of the songs. Mostly all have a acoustic guitar accompaniment and flameco cocals. The "gosh-I-think-I-am-in-a-cathedral-ambience" that I felt in E1 is not as strong in B-Tribe... by the wat the album title is called "Festa Fatal!" -Luis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 94 19:36:00 EDT From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: CD connection? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu writes: > > > >FTP to ftp.netcom.com, and in directory pub/imart you can find more info. > > >They've got the Enigma video (called Videos #1) on VHS; I don't remember > > >the price but it's certainly not as steep as $95. > > Is there a similar service somewhere in Europe? > > It seems a little stupid for an European to go > > CD/VHS/LD shopping to California to get European > > stuff... (higher prices for impors, $9 for > > shipping 3 CDs and one moth to wait!?!) > > There's a place for CDs over the Internet called the Compact Disc > Connection, which is cheaper then what you are talking about (telnet > cdconnection.com), but it's US. I've read about a European service too > but can't remember where or what it is... > > Sorry to bother you, But I was wondering if you could mail me a little info about CD conn? I am looking for some of the Enigma Singles and for a CD by a long lost band called the Abecedarians. Is CD conn. only a network ftp type thing, or do they have a phone #, address, catalog etc? Thanks for your time, Bill wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu ------------------- End of network mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:49:32 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: CD FOR SALE: Enigma MCMXC a.D. (first album) (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 11:14:08 -0800 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: CD FOR SALE: Enigma MCMXC a.D. (first album) FOR SALE: Enigma MCMXC a.D. CD. Their first album. If you're interested, please e-mail me directly. Include your offer, without shipping. Shipping is $1.50 in the U.S. and Canada. Elsewhere it's higher. Thanks! Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 13:57:08 EDT From: andrev@aol.com Subject: Compiled List To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello -- Just wanted to make a suggestion that all the entries to the list be compiled into one big letter you could send out. Other lists do this quite often, and it helps keep the clutter down. Just a suggestion! AV ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:16:23 -0600 (MDT) From: kabadkar@cs.colostate.edu (ashwin kabadkar) Subject: Compiled List To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hello -- Just wanted to make a suggestion that all the entries to the list be > compiled into one big letter you could send out. Other lists do this quite > often, and it helps keep the clutter down. Just a suggestion! > I think this is a good idea as well, if it is not too much trouble for Gavin Ashwin -- +----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+ | Ashwin Kabadkar | Email: kabadkar@cs.ColoState.Edu | DYOLF KNIP | | Computer Science, | floydp@lamar.ColoState.Edu| tsetaerg eht si | | Colorado State Univ. | Ph: (303) 491-7773 (Work) | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | +----------------------+----------------------------------+ MAJ LRAEP | |"Computers aren't intelligent, they only think they are" | !! esolc semoc | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 15:04:23 -0400 (EDT) From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu Subject: Compiled List To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Hello -- Just wanted to make a suggestion that all the entries to the list be > compiled into one big letter you could send out. Other lists do this quite > often, and it helps keep the clutter down. Just a suggestion! > AV Agreed, or at least have a "digest format" option... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:11:47 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Compiled List To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > > Hello -- Just wanted to make a suggestion that all the entries to the list be > > compiled into one big letter you could send out. Other lists do this quite > > often, and it helps keep the clutter down. Just a suggestion! > > AV > > Agreed, or at least have a "digest format" option... ARGH!!!! I knew this was going to happen! :) Here's the story behind this mailing list: 1. I could have started it with the option of bouncing messages directly only, since the software at yoyo doesn't support daily digests 2. I could have abandoned the Enigma mailing list altogether I think you know which one I chose!!! I appreciate your concerns about traffic flow (and thanks to those who wrote to me personally). I would like to point out that traffic flow SHOULD settle down after everyone has settled in and sent their introduction messages. At the same time, Joar is investigating into whether there is a program that can automatically post out daily digests to people (he has the software to create the digests, but not the script to post it out automatically). We are doing what we can to try and implement daily digests. If you can be of any assistance, please contact Joar at joarg@gribb.hsr.no - in the mean time, please be patient, or at worst, unsubscribe and obtain the monthly digests that will become available from the end of this month. Thank you all for your concern - we are doing our best!! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 19:42:38 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Compiled List To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Joar is investigating into whether there is a program that can > automatically post out daily digests to people (he has the software to > create the digests, but not the script to post it out automatically). Get majordomo. I'm running two lists with it now (soon to be four), it supports digests, and it requires absolutely zero labor on the admin's part once it's up and running. (I can't help with sources or setup, but it's widely used.) -- Lazlo (lazlo@carina.unm.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 19:03:28 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Cross sales To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au With the release of the second single here in Norway Virgin have issued an ad for the album. This states that The CROSS Of Changes has now sold 4 million copies worldwide, which is quite impressive. Remember that MCMXC a.D. has sold 7 million copies, and now the new album is already halfway to reach that number in it's first three/four/five months. On Deep Forest, I noticed that 'Sweet Lullaby' contains a sample from 'Sadeness', the sample being the drum break that starts the song, after the initial monk singing. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 7:11:53 EDT From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: DCD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Go Mavericks!!!!!! writes > hello what can all of you tell me about dcd? are they similar to enigma? > i saw their video on vh1....it reminded me of deep forrest. i really > like the first enigma disc and carly's song... is any of their material > like that? thanks in advance!!!! > -Cliff Dear Cliff, Dead can Dance are not exactly similar to Enigma, but I think that they draw on and manipulate many kinds of sound that would appeal to someone who likes Enigma music, ie: chants, driving primal drum rhythms, a beautiful wide range female lead voice, who sings in various languages and sometimes uses her voice like an instrument (wow!). The sounds are archaic or even primitive, as opposed to the modern raw sound of 'Carly's song.' (Does anybody out there think that the shorter version on the Sliver soundtrack sounds better than the album version-Age of loneliness? I'm willing to debate this one ;) I hope this info helps you, I'd be happy to talk to you about them more, and we can mail in order to avoid clogging the mailing list with this tangential discussion. Take it easy, Bill wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu ------------------- End of network mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 17:02:24 -0400 From: "George Feil" Subject: DCD and Enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Say, is this the Enigma Mailing List, or the Dead Can Dance Mailing List? Perhaps we should rename it to either "Enigma Can Dance", or "Dead Enigma" (I prefer the former). [Don't get me wrong, I like DCD too.] -George ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: DCD and Enigma To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, George Feil wrote: > Say, is this the Enigma Mailing List, or the Dead Can Dance Mailing > List? > > Perhaps we should rename it to either "Enigma Can Dance", or "Dead > Enigma" (I prefer the former). > Hmmmm, how about "Enigma Dance"? Devon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 10:34:44 EDT From: APEARC31@MAINE.maine.edu (Elmo) Subject: DCD and Enigma To: enigma@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU (ENIGMA Distribution List) If this is the Enigma list let's try to talk about enigma not all the other groups out there. Elmo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 14:31:43 -0400 From: harri@cfa142.harvard.edu Subject: Dead Can Dance To: ENIGMA Distribution List And for those people who want to be sure what they get, I'd urge them to check their local music stores for preview stands - the latest DCD is available for listening (at least) in (Boston) Tower Records... Harri - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Harri Vanhala | Harvard-Smithsonian | Department of Astronomy | | Astrophysicist | Center for Astrophysics | University of Oulu | | Arctophile | Cambridge, Mass., USA | Oulu, Finland | | vanhala@cfa.harvard.edu / harri@ursa-major.spdcc.com / harri@hiisi.oulu.fi| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | "A foreign country is the first requirement of a good scholar." | | -- Bernard of Chartres | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 11:03:50 EDT From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: Dead Can Dance, the info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello fellow subscribers! I have seen a lot of talk about Dead Can Dance lately, so I thought I should post some info and clear up some questions. The albums: Dead Can Dance Spleen ana Ideal Within the Realm of a Dying Sun Aion The Serpent's Egg Passage In Time Into the Labyrinth The band's members are Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard, who actually started out in Australia(what do you know about that Gavin ;) and now record in the UK. They also participated in one of the This Mortal Coil projects. They contributed one song to the soundtrack of the film 'Baraka'. DCD music draws on a wide heritage of medieval hymn and gregorian chant and ethnic European music and primal percussion rhythms and near eastern voice and so on.... It is truly fascinating, and sometimes dangerously compelling. Specific info about dates and tracks I dont remember off the top of my head, but if you want that stuff please feel free to write to me at wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu and I will answer any and all questions. This band has been my big favorite for some time, and I definitely think that some aspects of the music would appeal to a great number of Enigma fans. I hope this info helps! I would love to talk to you about them if you have other questions. awaiting the warm weather, Bill ------------------- End of network mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 10:28:08 CDT From: kcd@romulus.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Subject: Dead Can Dance, the info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey Bill - Got a question for you. I've noticed that there is an import and domestic version of both the albums "Dead Can Dance" and "Aion". There is a cost difference of about seven to eight dollars with the imports obviously costing more. Is there a reason to buy the import over the domestic release? Are there tracks on one but not the other? And for a newbie such as myself, is there an album that you would suggest starting out with? Guess I had more than one question. ;-) Any help would be appreciated.... Kevin P.S. Perhaps there is a faq somewhere that would give me some info also. I'll have to look around... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Go Mavericks!!!!!! Subject: Dead Can Dance, the info To: ENIGMA Distribution List hello what can all of you tell me about dcd? are they similar to enigma? i saw their video on vh1....it reminded me of deep forrest. i really like the first enigma disc and carly's song... is any of their material like that? thanks in advance!!!! -Cliff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 14:02:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Brian Subject: Dead Can Dance, the info To: ENIGMA Distribution List what would be the best album to buy for a person who has never heard dcd before?I'm very interested in them but I've only seen two parts of their videos on t.v.and that has been my only experience with them. Any info would be appreciated! Brian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 17:40:58 -0400 (EDT) From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu (An anonymous word of wisdom.) Subject: Dead Can Dance, the info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > hello what can all of you tell me about dcd? are they similar to enigma? > i saw their video on vh1....it reminded me of deep forrest. i really > like the first enigma disc and carly's song... is any of their material > like that? thanks in advance!!!! I dunno, in my opinion Dead Can Dance and Enigma are not similar very much... Dead Can Dance is more in the realm of meideval-music-revival, and shares more similarities with Bauhaus and This Mortal Coil. Enigma's only real similarity to meideval music is the Gregorian Chant samples he uses now and then... I'd say Enigma bares some similarity to Mood Swings Orchestra, some New Age (ie, Vangelis, Mark Lasar, etc.), some light techno.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 7:02:12 EDT From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: Dead Can Dance, the info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV} writes: > Hey Bill - > > Got a question for you. I've noticed that there is an import and > domestic version of both the albums "Dead Can Dance" and "Aion". > There is a cost difference of about seven to eight dollars with > the imports obviously costing more. Is there a reason to buy the > import over the domestic release? Are there tracks on one but not What country are you in (ie what is domestic and foreign)? I have only seen one version of all their albums, which used to be outrageously expensive imports here, but now have come down in price after the popularity of the last album. If you get a chance, could you take a look at those two versions and tell me what the tracks are and what the cover looks like? Then I could compare with the ones I have. > the other? And for a newbie such as myself, is there an album that > you would suggest starting out with? Guess I had more than one > question. ;-) Any help would be appreciated.... I would really reccomend "The Serpents Egg," because it has tracks which cover the wide range of sounds and styles which they use. There is one track called 'mother tongue' which I think would appeal to any Enigma fan, on this basis of its driving primal rhythm. But then again, my opinion is biased, and i really think you should check them out for yourself. You probably wont like some of it, but you will definitely like some too. Also good albums: "Dead Can Dance" and "Within the Realm of a Dying Sun." Hang on to my address and tell me what you think. > Kevin > > P.S. Perhaps there is a faq somewhere that would give me some info also. > I'll have to look around... If you find a faq, *please* let me know. I dont think there is one. Good to talk to you, Bill ------------------- End of network mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 10:13:34 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: Dead can Dance info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, here is what little I know about Dead can Dance so far: A passage in Time is their compilation CD which covers music from 4 albums: (In no particular order) Aion Serpent's Egg Spleen and Ideal Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (ok, I guess alphabetical order. 8-}) Until recently, it was difficult to get the previous cds because they were out of print domestically(US)(I think),but they were just re-released recently, and most major record stores should have some of these or are orderable. They came out with a new CD called Into the Labrynth, and heard a sampling from it... it is pretty good. (For those interested, the US CD club BMG has this as a brand new selection...if you use BMG the way that I do, this means it costs about 1.50US$ I have the CD number and can post... 8-}) Thats about all I can say for now. The only songs I know of are those from Passage, and From what I hear I love them!!! 8-} Brian Wilson wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 11:47:09 EDT From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone! my intro: *Bill Pabst *20 years old *collection: 1990 a.d. Cross of Changes Return to Innocence (cd single) 'Sliver' soundtrack Sadeness pt. I (maxi cassette single) Carly's song (cassete single, for playing very loud at night while driving) *Ist heard them a few years ago, the radio edit of Sadeness *Lit. major *related interests: Dead Can Dance (-big favorite-; if you want to chat about them in particular, and not clutter the newsgroup with tangential discussion, I would be deliriously happy to mail with you, wpabst@scott,skidmore.edu) Deep Forest (Don Gray: is your FAQ out yet?) Peter Gabriel various soundtracks gregorian chant I am extremely curious about all of these singles which people are discussing. Is it possible to get them anymore? Does anyone have extra disks that they would like to sell? I am going to england this summer and I am wondering if I will have any luck in the record stores in London. Can anyone help me out here? As for how big a fan I am, does anyone out there agree with me that the '380 midnight mix' of return to innocence simply cannot be played loud enough or too many times? If I were to try to pin down a favorite from the recordings that I have, I think that would be it. That's about it, I look forward to hearing from you. Bill And many thanks to Gavin for setting up this forum! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 11:07:01 CDT From: kcd@romulus.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Subject: Enigma & DCD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello - After looking at the faq and some of the different posts on the list, I see that there are many references to the band "Dead Can Dance". I'm thinking about checking them out and would like to hear comments on which album would be a good starting point. I saw a British import at the CD store called "AION" (?) and another one I believe titled "Into the Labyrinth". I'm sure there are probably others. Any comments? P.S. Sorry if this has been discussed before. Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Dekan | Cray Research Inc. + internet: kcd@romulus.cray.com 900 Lowater Rd. + voice: 715-726-6440 Chippewa Falls, Wi. USA | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 09:19:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Enigma & DCD To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV} wrote: > > Hello - > > After looking at the faq and some of the different posts on the > list, I see that there are many references to the band "Dead Can > Dance". I'm thinking about checking them out and would like to > hear comments on which album would be a good starting point. I > saw a British import at the CD store called "AION" (?) and another > one I believe titled "Into the Labyrinth". I'm sure there are > probably others. Any comments? Well my personal favorite DCD album would have to be _A Passage In Time_. I can't exactly say why, I just love this album. I don't know anything about the single but I don't think _Into the Labyrinth_ is as good as _A Passage In Time_. Just my $0.02 worth Devon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 12:31:58 -0400 (EDT) From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu (An anonymous word of wisdom.) Subject: Enigma & DCD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Well my personal favorite DCD album would have to be _A Passage In > Time_. I can't exactly say why, I just love this album. I don't know > anything about the single but I don't think _Into the Labyrinth_ is as > good as _A Passage In Time_. _A Passage In Time_ is a compilation of all of their previous, hard(er) to find import records. That way, you don't have to pay about $27 dollars (what I've seen in some stores!) for a single copy of either Aion (excellent), The Serpent's Egg (my favorite DCD album overall), Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (alright), and Spleen and Ideal (have not heard).... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 15:54:01 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Enigma & Deep Forest Videos To: Kent Williams >> Enigma's latest video "The Eyes Of Truth" is the most beautiful video >> I've ever seen. It almost hurts watching it. God knows how much money >> they spent on it but the result is a f*cking masterpiece. > >Did they spend more money on it than they did on the Deep Forest 'Lullaby' >video? Imagine carting that little girl and her tricycle all over the >damn planet ... I like especially here riding her tricycle on the Great >Wall of China. Where can I get the Deep Forest video and Enigma's "Eyes of Truth Video" in California? Or anywhere in the U.S. that does mail-order and has it in NTSC format.... Thanks in advance, Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 16:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}]" Subject: Enigma & Deep Forest Videos To: ENIGMA Distribution List you can find a deep forest video in Berkely - Thomas On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, Don Gray wrote: > >> Enigma's latest video "The Eyes Of Truth" is the most beautiful video > >> I've ever seen. It almost hurts watching it. God knows how much money > >> they spent on it but the result is a f*cking masterpiece. > > > >Did they spend more money on it than they did on the Deep Forest 'Lullaby' > >video? Imagine carting that little girl and her tricycle all over the > >damn planet ... I like especially here riding her tricycle on the Great > >Wall of China. > > Where can I get the Deep Forest video and Enigma's "Eyes of Truth Video" in > California? Or anywhere in the U.S. that does mail-order and has it in > NTSC format.... > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Don > donpierr@netcom.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:53:17 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Enigma & Deep Forest Videos To: ENIGMA Distribution List >you can find a deep forest video in Berkely > Where in Berkeley? Do you know the name of the store? Thanks, Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 20:17:26 CDT From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: Enigma & Deep Forest Videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Ditto for me regarding getting the DEEP FOREST and ENIGMA videos!! Anyone out there in electronic-land know where to get them??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 20:14:14 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Enigma's debut in the Australian charts To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Good news for all, especially us Australians. "The CROSS of Changes" debutted in Australia at #2, only beaten by Pink Floyd's new album "The Division Bell". This is from the ARIA chart dated April 15, 1994. At last glance, "Return to Innocence" was at #24, and has been progressively rising in the charts since it's release. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Doc_X Subject: Enigma's debut in the Australian charts To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Gavin Stok wrote: > "The CROSS of Changes" debutted in Australia at #2, only beaten by Pink Floyd's > new album "The Division Bell". This is from the ARIA chart dated April 15, > 1994. Well, at least it was beaten by one of the best! ***************************************************************************** * Dylan Northrup * I'm not a computer genius * *********************************************** I just play one in the lab * * "It's the ones who persist for the sake of a kiss... " -- George Michael * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:44:56 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Enigma A.D.MCM..Special Ed & Deep Forest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone know where I can order a copy of the Enigma A.D.MCM... Special Edition? It doesn't have to have the hologram... Brian Wilson said: > Deep Forest Ob mention: I really like their released song, and I was hoping >for some mixing magic like Enigma does on their singles. Alas...If you are >thinking about getting the single to "Sweet Lullaby" I would not reccommend >it on the strength of the extra mixes(IMHO) Although I love the Deep Forest full length CD, I agree with you about the Sweet Lullaby remixes (I've only heard the US remix single, though). It sounds to me like they're making a joke out of what is some really magical music. I am still finishing up a Deep Forest Discography and FAQ and will make it available in a couple of weeks when I get some time to finish it up. I need to find a home for it (FTP site). Gavin, can we put it in with the Enigma stuff? Also, if anyone is interested in taking it over, they are welcome to do it. I really just wanted to get it started, and won't be updating it after this last iteration. Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 09:21:04 - 1000 From: "ISLAM, RAMIT" Subject: Enigmatic video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au There's no doubt about it. The shorter version of Carly's Song on the Sliver definitely better than the version on the album. Cretu should have also included "Carly's Lonliness" (the last song on the Sliver sountrack) on the album; it was a beautiful piece. Does anyone know anything about the full length Enigma video? I've asked around about it but noone seems to know anything. Also is there a full length video out for the second album? I'm dying to know! Any info out there? Thanks, Ramit s9410656@colossus.ics.hawaii.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 11:24:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Caution Zanto Subject: Enigmatic video To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mon, 25 Apr 1994, ISLAM, RAMIT wrote: > Does anyone know anything about the full length Enigma video? I've > asked around about it but noone seems to know anything. Also is > there a full length video out for the second album? I'm dying to know! > Any info out there? Sure! CD Europe currently has listed a Laserdisc called "Visions of Sadeness" and is $95.(It's an import).... Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 15:24:00 - 1000 From: "ISLAM, RAMIT" Subject: Enigmatic video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 11:24:08 -0500 (CDT) > From: Caution Zanto > Subject: Re: Enigmatic video > To: ENIGMA Distribution List > Cc: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Reply-to: ENIGMA Distribution List > Sure! CD Europe currently has listed a Laserdisc called "Visions of Sadeness" > and is $95.(It's an import).... > > Eric > > Thank you VERY much, I'll order it tomorrow. Too bad that there's no video out for the second album yet..........or is there?................ Only problem now is to purachase an LD player. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 22:41:22 -0500 (EDT) From: hime@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Andrew Hime) Subject: Enigmatic video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Do not go buy the laser disc, I've seen the video on videotape in my local Sound Warehouse. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:00:49 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Enigmatic video To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 26, 3:24pm, "ISLAM, RAMIT" wrote: > > Sure! CD Europe currently has listed a Laserdisc called "Visions of > Sadeness" > > and is $95.(It's an import).... > > > > Eric > > > > > > Thank you VERY much, I'll order it tomorrow. Too bad that there's no > video out for the second album yet..........or is there?................ Only > problem now is to purachase an LD player. imart@netcom.com has a wide range of videos, both VHS and Laser Disc. FTP to ftp.netcom.com, and in directory pub/imart you can find more info. They've got the Enigma video (called Videos #1) on VHS; I don't remember the price but it's certainly not as steep as $95. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 21:26:53 - 1000 From: "ISLAM, RAMIT" Subject: Enigmatic video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > From: joarg@hsr.no > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 08:00:49 +0200 > To: ENIGMA Distribution List > Subject: Re: Enigmatic video > Reply-to: ENIGMA Distribution List > imart@netcom.com has a wide range of videos, both VHS and Laser Disc. FTP > to ftp.netcom.com, and in directory pub/imart you can find more info. They've > got the Enigma video (called Videos #1) on VHS; I don't remember the price > but it's certainly not as steep as $95. > > > Joar > > -- > > Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre > Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y > Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no > Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list > Thank you once again. You are a great person! =) Later.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 12:52:48 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@leo.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Enigmatic video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Do not go buy the laser disc, I've seen the video on videotape in my local > Sound Warehouse. You saw "Visions of Sadness" on tape at Sound Warehouse, or just the two- track "Part 1" video? The former (the LD) is a full-legnth video album, and isn't the same thing. -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) [preferred address] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ KLF/Orb/ZTT/Exotic-Vinyl maillists - email majordomo@xmission.com for info include "info " in message; listname = klf, orb, ztt or exotica ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 11:19:39 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Enigmatic video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) >> You saw "Visions of Sadness" on tape at Sound Warehouse, or just the two- >> track "Part 1" video? The former (the LD) is a full-legnth video album, >> and isn't the same thing. > > I believe the version I saw was the full version. What makes you believe that? (Not being snotty, just curious -- I'd love to find out that the full-length has finally been issued domestically.) -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) // Manager, KLF/Orb/ZTT/Exotic-Vinyl maillists // email majordomo@xmission.com for list info; // include "info " in message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:43:11 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Enigmatic video (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:39:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Caution Zanto Subject: Re: Enigmatic video To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > > Sure! CD Europe currently has listed a Laserdisc called "Visions of > > Sadeness" > > > and is $95.(It's an import).... > > imart@netcom.com has a wide range of videos, both VHS and Laser Disc. FTP > to ftp.netcom.com, and in directory pub/imart you can find more info. They've > got the Enigma video (called Videos #1) on VHS; I don't remember the price > but it's certainly not as steep as $95. > Joar Well... that one is only 9 minutes of video, just Sadeness and Mea Culpa. I picked that up for 8.97 on VHS. The other one, being 1)on laserdisc, 2)a full length video, 3) an import, it adds to the price. Caution ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:44:08 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Enigmatic video (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: hime@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Andrew Hime) Subject: Re: Enigmatic video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 15:05:42 -0500 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Lazlo Nibble" at Apr 27, 94 12:52:48 pm > > Do not go buy the laser disc, I've seen the video on videotape in my local > > Sound Warehouse. > > You saw "Visions of Sadness" on tape at Sound Warehouse, or just the two- > track "Part 1" video? The former (the LD) is a full-legnth video album, > and isn't the same thing. I believe the version I saw was the full version. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 16:00:59 -0400 From: groisman@student.umass.edu Subject: Enigma Volume 3? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi guys! My name is Pasha Groisman and I'm new here. (By the way, are there any other Russian fans on this list?) I'm 18 and I first heard of Enigma about three years ago in Russia... By the way, Enigma was really, realy, REALLY BIG in Russia at that time. Anyway, right now I'm a sophomore in UMass and I'm math major. Guys, I've got a question for you. Two years ago I copied an album of Enigma which I don't see here in the USA. The first song sounded very much like Enigma. All the lyrics was sung by a male's voice, I assume it was Michelle Cretu's. Gregorian chants were there too. The song is very good, IMHO. The album contains two versions of this song. The second one didn't have Cretu's voice but had tuba instead. I don't recall the lyrics but it went something like that: "Past is given for us all... Time is running just like sand..." The rest of the album is... "enigmatic", to say the least. I'd say, it's a bizarre combination of euro-disko and rap. (What would be your feelings if after a nice mellow song you hear: "This is a test of the emergency BROADCAST SYSTEM! Aaah! Tsh-tsh! Aaah! Tsh-tsh!") So, I have a copy from the CD which I never had a chance to see. By the way, before "The cross of changes" came out there were 4 full-length albums of Enigma circulating in Russia. Nobody had a chance to see the original CDs :) but they were labeled Volume 1,2,3,4. The one I described was a copy labeled "Enigma Volume 3". Does anybody can enlighten me? What else do I like? Enya, Front 242, Yello (Another big thing in Russia, by the way), Mike Mareen, Utah Saints (sometimes) and a bunch of Russian Rock-groups. Sometimes, when I'm especially drunk and I don't care about the lyrics too much I can listen to Blue System, Modern Talking and C.C.Ketch. :) OK, guys, have a good weekend! I hope to get a reply from you. Pasha. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 00:47:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank@world.std.com Subject: F.Y.I. To: gpsto1@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Gavin Stok) Gavin, There is a compilation coming out called "ONE A.D." (Ambient Dub). The release date is 5/17/94. It features "The Calling" from A.P.L. (A Positive Life) sampled on "The Cross Of Changes" Take Care, .....Hank P.S. This is an excellent Ambient Compilation. Track listing will follow as well as all FAQ information ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 15:54:30 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: F.Y.I. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day! You were our very first public subscriber - congrats! > There is a compilation coming out called "ONE A.D." (Ambient Dub). > The release date is 5/17/94. It features "The Calling" from A.P.L. > (A Positive Life) sampled on "The Cross Of Changes" Exactly which sample is this (I have not yet determined which credited samples belong where)? I've also heard the APL album is very good. > P.S. This is an excellent Ambient Compilation. Track listing will follow > as well as all FAQ information Thanks. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 21:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank@world.std.com Subject: F.Y.I. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > G'day! You were our very first public subscriber - congrats! Thanks! > > > There is a compilation coming out called "ONE A.D." (Ambient Dub). > > The release date is 5/17/94. It features "The Calling" from A.P.L. > > (A Positive Life) sampled on "The Cross Of Changes" > > Exactly which sample is this (I have not yet determined which credited > samples belong where)? I've also heard the APL album is very good. > Hi All, I'm still working on the sample part of your question :-) It's not that easy to pick out. Myself and a friend of mine (fuzzbox@world.std.com) have not been able to find it yet but I honestly have not had the time really compare them properly. Also I only have a pre-release cd and it has no paper work, just the cd in a plastic sleeve. I got my information from a new release sheet soliciting the record. Any how here is the track listing: One A.D. (volume one ambient dub) a compilation album from waveform 1.01:Templeroy:Dubometer:(4:36) 1.02:Pentatonik:Devotion:(5:32) 1.03:G.O.L:Soma Holiday:(6:44) 1.04:Banco de Gaia:Desert Wind:(interstate 101 mix):(7:41) 1.05:Higher Intelligence Agency:Spectral:(6:59) 1.06:A Positive Life:The Calling:(5:09) 1.07:Sandoz:Beam:(6:43) 1.08:Higher Intelligence Agency:Harmony Angel:(5:35) 1.09:Banco de Gaia:Shanti:(black mountain mix):(7:38) 1.10:Original Rockers:Mecca of Space:(5:56) 1.11:A Positive Life:The Calling:(ambient mix):(11:20) Cat No.84101-2 That's it! If anyone out there knows where I can get a copy of the complete cd of APL please e-mail me :-) Thanks, ......Hank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 12:49:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Rex Wang Subject: F.Y.I. To: ENIGMA Distribution List Yeah..i was wondering how to unsubscribe this list,..since i'll be going out of the country for a few months and i need to stop mail for that time -- but i'll be back...thanx rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 11:23:07 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: F.Y.I. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > Yeah..i was wondering how to unsubscribe this list,..since i'll be going > out of the country for a few months and i need to stop mail for that time > -- but i'll be back...thanx As a reminder to Rex and all (since a lot of people have unsubscribed the wrong way!): To unsubscribe from the list, mail listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with the body of the message (NOT the subject line) saying "signoff enigma".... This information is included in the introductory text you received when you first subscribed to the list. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 17:06:25 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Fwd: Brian Wilson's intro. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. This didn't seem to get sent to the Enigma list properly, so here is Brian Wilson's intro.: > Hi all!(How many members do we have now? 8-}) > > To start off, I will do an intro like Gavin requested... > My name is Brian Wilson, and I am a student at Oregon State University > in the US. I am studying Computer Science and Japanese(graduating soon! 8-}) > I bought Enigma's first album very soon after it came out. At > the time I was quite poor, and did not even have a CD player yet! But still... > I loved the effect of those Gregorian chants and other incongruent styles > mixed with a heavy dance beat. The effect is very sensual for some reason > (does anyone else think so?) I also had not yet started buying CD singles, > so the whole wave of singles from the first album went right by me(including > the special edition album) (My money was going to other sources-new S.O. 8-}) > Now that this has changed somewhat(more cds now in my collection than you > can shake 20 sticks at... 8-}) and I buy many CD singles, I find myself > seeking the singles from the first album. Alas, the US domestic singles are > long out of print, and very hard to find. I can attest to this because I > have been doing extensive searching lately ;-}. > A few months ago, just before the release here of "Cross of Changes, > Enigma 2"(should we start abbreviating the album titles, like E1 and E2 or > something?) I finally saw the movie "Sliver". This has two main songs by > Enigma in the movie. One is "Carly's Song", and the other is, I later found > out "Principles of Lust(Everlasting Lust)" WOW! That second song had me! > This is what really re-sparked my interest in Enigma. Through my searches, > I talked to Gavin(our honorable list maintainer---Thanks Gavin!) and found > that this song is rather hard to find. One good place to find it though, is > on the Limited Edition of the first album, if you can find it. Gavin says it > is not so hard to find in Australia(can you confirm this Gavin?) but in the > US, it is next to impossible. I am getting that album soon, and I expect it > will be as good as everyone says. > Well, this _is_ getting long, but I can't neglect to mention Enigma's newest > work "Enigma 2" It is definitely in a different influence of musical ideas, > but a very similar "flavor" to "MCMXC a.D." Mr. Cretu's strengths seem to be > in remixing, as I have liked every remix I have heard of the different > songs by Enigma.(Blatant Suggestion: go buy Return to Innocence CD Single while > you can!! 8-}) > For those of you also looking for CD singles from the first album: Look > at imports...some of these have just been re-released in Europe and Japan, but > they are pricey. > > Ok. Enough rambling for now. I am just ecstatic to have a forum to talk > about Enigma! 8-} > > Brian Wilson > wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu To answer the questions: * We probably have around 90 members at last count * MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition" is easily found and bought in Australia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 10:56:49 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: FWD: Introduction message To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. This is forwarded for someone who sent to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au instead of enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au : Forwarded message: > - -Bill Pabst > - -20 > - -student at Skidmore College, eng. lit. major > enigma collection: > 1990 a.d. > Cross of Changes > Sliver Soundtrack > Sadeness maxi cassette single > Return to Innocence cd single (380 Midnight Mix- WOW!!!) > Carly's song cassette single (for listening in the car ;) > > other 'related' interests: > Dead Can Dance (big favorite) > Peter Gabriel > Deep Forest > Various soundtracks > > I've never participated in a mailing list, so I'm not sure how > it works. Ie: when I respond to your (or any) mail, does it go to you > and then you distribute it to subscribers, or what? Bill, whenever you want to send a message to the mailing list post to enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and it will be forwarded to all subscribers on the list. Likewise, whenever someone else sends to the list, it will be forwarded to you. You should only contact me if you have a problem with the operation of the mailing list. > Write back soon if you get a chance. I'm very excited to talk > to people about this music. And concert info? haha.... the day Enigma has a concert is the day I retire (and I don't even have a job!!!) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 10:57:58 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: FWD: Introduction message To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. This was sent to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au instead of enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au : Forwarded message: > Hi, I'm Michele Marques. I'm 29 (and not perpetually!). > > I thought Enigma has only two cds: MCMXC a.D. and Cross of Changes. > I have them both. I first heard Enigma on the radio, and I don't know > how to quantify how much of a fan one is. > > Other artists I like include Jean-Michel Jarre, Laurie Anderson, > Sting, Carl Orff. > > I'm not doing a course now. I work full time as a computer > trainer/documenter at the business school at York University (Toronto, > not England). > > -- Michele ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 11:03:59 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: FWD: Mail To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day again. One more forwarded message! Forwarded message: > Hello everyone. I'm a new subscriber to this mailing list. I'm not much > on this sort of thing, but i just had to get into this particular one. I > absolutely love Enigma.. > Before I being, let me introduce myself. My name is LeRoi Isaacs, > and I am a 20 year old male student of Mathematics at Rochester > Institute of Technology in NewYork. I have listened and been listening > to Enigma for the last 4 years, since the release of their incredible > first albumn. Since then i have searched continuosly for more the same > type of sound, but have failed in my quest. I had eagerly awaited the > release of their second albumn, but was somewhat dissappointed. I > realize the groups need to grow and do something at least a little > different, but i had played the selfish role, and wanted only what i > wnated. This is not to say that i don't like their second release. It is > quite good, in fact, but i would have much prefered more of the > original. > Of course, Enigma is not the only thing that i listen to. In fact my > tastes in music are quite varied, according to my mood. I list and lvoe > techno, and house, industrial, metal, rap, hiphop, r&b, jazz, classical, > blues, some rock, and the more unique ones, such as Enigma and Enya. The > only thing i won't listen to, under any circumstances, is COUNTRY, and > CLASSIC ROCK. I absolutely despise those two, and DISCO. > My collection of Enigma material, is not very great. I have the two > albums, and the single for Mea Culpa. I'm dying to find the other > singles, but i can't, not were i'm located at the moment. I also have > the 'SLIVER' soundtrack, and i love the two songs there. Those are > exactly what i wnated. > I am interested in listening to the other releases bye the members > of Engima, but, again, i can't find them there. For now however, i think > i will just enjoy the wonders of this mailinglist. > > Sambe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 09:48:45 -0600 (CST) From: rubli@udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx (Ing. Alexander Rubli) Subject: greeting & other stuff To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi I am alexander rubli, I am the administrator of the Brian Eno List begin of commercial---- to subscribe send a mail to eno-L-Request@udlapvms.pue.udlap.mx hope you don't mind , gavin :-), you might make a commercial in Eno-L end of commercial---- I am 34, I listen almost all day to music, mainly progressive rock (older stuff), and 'alternative' stuff (ha, this is too vaste to put exampmles). I live in Mexico and work in the computer dept. of the university of the americas. I hate the term 'new age' as many groups (including enigma) are called. I would be great to find ourselves a new term where E fits... Are there more that 2 records of enigma ?? I used to have E1 but one day my car CD-box break it in 2, then I bought the E1 (extended version), obviously I have COC (E2). I make lots of noises with my synthesizers, I have no clue about musical education, which I would like to have someday. Nothing serious . . . I do a lot of re-arrangements with my midi gear and my mac. I have heard to deep forest, which I honestly dislike, I have just bought a record of 'moodswings' which resembles a lot to Enigma, and is OK. Why do I like Enigma ? well, I haven't found many 'new' groups that I like as much as I used (and still use) to like , I might mention EL&P, yes, vangelis, Mike Oldfield, Tangerine dream etc. I sometimes feel that there is nothing new under the sun (with honorable exceptions) my first question, what nationality is enigma ??? best regards alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 05:40:48 EST From: briank@gatecom.com (Brian Kaminski) Subject: Greetings! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I was always bad at getting homework done in school, which probably explains why it took me so long to send this message. Ok, so here's my introductory information: Name: Brian (though I seem to be a nickname-magnet) Age: 22 (that's what, 154 in dog years?) Enigma collection to date includes only the two CDs, but I've been planning on picking up the singles (not the Sliver sntrk though) from the get-go. I first heard Enigma when Sad(e)ness was released (and argued whenever someone said the title was "Sadness" [I was irked that they changed the title for the single, BTW]). I enjoyed MCMXC a.D., but nowhere near as much as I like The CROSS Of Changes. Favorite Tracks: "Back to the Rivers of Belief," "Return to Innocence," "The Dream of the Dolphin." (I also think that "I Love You...I'll Kill You" is far overrated. ;) Other artists I like: The Legendary Pink Dots, Suede, Thompson Twins/Babble, Lloyd Cole, Nena, Black Tape For A Blue Girl, Communards, Cranberries, The Cure, DM, Smiths/Morrissey (Anyone have the subscription address for the mailing list?? Please??), Thomas Dolby, Erasure, J.W. Harding, Robyn Hitchcock, The Sundays, NIN, Split Enz... I could go on and on and on and on (And people accuse me of rambling. How dare they? ) --If anyone cares to discuss any of the above-mentioned artists, feel free to email me. At the moment, I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing with my life and where I'm gonna go to school (well, back to school--3 years college under the belt and still no clue). Anything interesting to add? Well, if I haven't bored you to tears by now, congratulations. Bear with my procrastination...It's in my nature Erm, have I wasted enough bandwith yet, Gavin? Brian -- Let your fingers You know if Jesus was a rent boy do the talking: Then God was his pimp -briank@gatecom.com -John Wesley Harding -lasher@inconnu.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 20:34:02 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: Greetings! and my intro. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all!(How many members do we have now? 8-}) To start off, I will do an intro like Gavin requested... My name is Brian Wilson, and I am a student at Oregon State University in the US. I am studying Computer Science and Japanese(graduating soon! 8-}) I bought Enigma's first album very soon after it came out. At the time I was quite poor, and did not even have a CD player yet! But still... I loved the effect of those Gregorian chants and other incongruent styles mixed with a heavy dance beat. The effect is very sensual for some reason (does anyone else think so?) I also had not yet started buying CD singles, so the whole wave of singles from the first album went right by me(including the special edition album) (My money was going to other sources-new S.O. 8-}) Now that this has changed somewhat(more cds now in my collection than you can shake 20 sticks at... 8-}) and I buy many CD singles, I find myself seeking the singles from the first album. Alas, the US domestic singles are long out of print, and very hard to find. I can attest to this because I have been doing extensive searching lately ;-}. A few months ago, just before the release here of "Cross of Changes, Enigma 2"(should we start abbreviating the album titles, like E1 and E2 or something?) I finally saw the movie "Sliver". This has two main songs by Enigma in the movie. One is "Carly's Song", and the other is, I later found out "Principles of Lust(Everlasting Lust)" WOW! That second song had me! This is what really re-sparked my interest in Enigma. Through my searches, I talked to Gavin(our honorable list maintainer---Thanks Gavin!) and found that this song is rather hard to find. One good place to find it though, is on the Limited Edition of the first album, if you can find it. Gavin says it is not so hard to find in Australia(can you confirm this Gavin?) but in the US, it is next to impossible. I am getting that album soon, and I expect it will be as good as everyone says. Well, this _is_ getting long, but I can't neglect to mention Enigma's newest work "Enigma 2" It is definitely in a different influence of musical ideas, but a very similar "flavor" to "MCMXC a.D." Mr. Cretu's strengths seem to be in remixing, as I have liked every remix I have heard of the different songs by Enigma.(Blatant Suggestion: go buy Return to Innocence CD Single while you can!! 8-}) For those of you also looking for CD singles from the first album: Look at imports...some of these have just been re-released in Europe and Japan, but they are pricey. Ok. Enough rambling for now. I am just ecstatic to have a forum to talk about Enigma! 8-} Brian Wilson wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 09:25:43 -0600 (MDT) From: kabadkar@cs.colostate.edu (Ashwin S Kabadkar) Subject: Greetings! and my intro. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > A few months ago, just before the release here of "Cross of Changes, > Enigma 2"(should we start abbreviating the album titles, like E1 and E2 or > something?) I finally saw the movie "Sliver". This has two main songs by > Enigma in the movie. One is "Carly's Song", and the other is, I later found > out "Principles of Lust(Everlasting Lust)" WOW! That second song had me! Brian, Is this second song some kind of remix of Principles of Lust? Or is it a new song? (Sorry, if this is a stupid question). Ashwin -- +----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+ | Ashwin Kabadkar | Email: kabadkar@cs.ColoState.Edu | DYOLF KNIP | | Computer Science, | floydp@lamar.ColoState.Edu| tsetaerg eht si | | Colorado State Univ. | Ph: (303) 491-7773 (Work) | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | +----------------------+----------------------------------+ MAJ LRAEP | |"Computers aren't intelligent, they only think they are" | !! esolc semoc | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 12:04:31 GMT From: steinbir@rhi.hi.is (Steingrimur Birgisson) Subject: Greetings to y'all! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name Steingrimur Birgisson * Age 25 * What is in E1 (special edition) and E2 your Enigma collection * Where you In the background of a radio show which I was listening to first heard in 1991 shortly after E1 came out, it was Sadeness... Enigma, and how much of This radio show is now gone but the music lives!! :) a fan you are * Other Vangelis, Bjork, U2 (specially after AB), Enya, Mike Oldfield, artists you Sting, Eric Clapton, Elton John, and many many others... like * What course Writing this stupid letter!! :) you're doing (if any) * Any other interesting Look into the mirror of your soul! What do you see? information you wish to I thought so... :) share -- Enjoy the ______ SURFace _____ steinbir@rhi.hi.is ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 00:09:40 -0300 From: JTEE@ac.dal.ca Subject: Greets To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name James Tee * Age 19 * What is in your Enigma collection Well, funny story actually. Until recently, I had the first Enigma CD. I liked it a lot. However, last month, it somehow got lost in a friend's car's CD shuttle deck player (it went in and it never came out. The player doesn't work anymore either - wonder why :) I also have the Sliver Soundtrack which I specifically bought for Carly's Song. I like it, but I was a little disappointed - it just wasn't as "soft" or "catchy" as the tracks on their first album. I mistook the song (before I bought the soundtrack of course) for another Enigma song I heard playing during some Euro Fashion Model show. I don't have their 2nd CD yet; "Return to Innocence" takes a little getting used to. IMHO less mystique and trance, and more like pop. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are Actually, I'm more of a fan of their genre of music, which I think they're really good at. I first heard Enigma on the radio. * Other artists you like Deep Forest, Ace of Base, Dance 2 Trance, (ex)Paula Abdul fanatic, Ame Lorain, Rachmaninoff, Harry Connick Jr, etc etc. * What course you're doing (if any) Entering 3rd year Chemistry at Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia (Canada) where I live. * Any other interesting information you wish to share Just want to learn more about Enigma - the enigma :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:43:48 -0600 (MDT) From: George Yates Subject: Hello To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. My name is George Yates. I live in Boulder, Colorado, USA. I'm 19. My collection contains both albums, the Sadeness single, the Mea Culpa single, the Principles of Lust single, the Rivers of Belief single, the Carly's Song single, and the Return to Innocence single. My other music interests are Curve, the Cure, Skinny Puppy, and Deep Forest. So basically anything electronic, except rap. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 13:44:48 EDT From: DAPPLE41@MAINE.maine.edu (mulatto island queen) Subject: Hello! To: enigma@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU My name is Donna Appleby and I'm writing from the University of Maine at Orono. I'm studying Human Development and am a junior. My neighbor in my apartment building introduced me to Enigma just recently so I don't have a collection going yet. I've definitley been eyeing some cds of theirs. For now I borrow my neighbors. One quick question: Who does the background part in the new one "Return to Innocence"? I've heard a couple of different stories and would love to know the truth... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 19:16:13 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Hello! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 16, 1:44pm, mulatto island queen wrote: > One quick question: Who does the background part in the new one > "Return to Innocence"? I've heard a couple of different stories and > would love to know the truth... If you are refering to the chant which is the main chorus, it's the voice of a lapp, a people living in the northern parts of Scandinavia. This part is complemented by an indian chant. Andy "Angel" Hard does the singing in the verses, while Sandra is the female voice. What stories have you heard? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 13:18:30 -0500 (CDT) From: TAIPAN@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU Subject: Hello! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have several albums of Sandra who is ranked my no.1 female singer so far, but I never heard about Andy "Angel" Hard. Could someone send me some information about him and what albums he had released. Taipan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Clifford Subject: Hello! To: ENIGMA Distribution List hi y'all my name is cliff barneman and i attend bucknell university in the middle of nowhere pennsylvania. i have both enigma lp's and the sliver soundtrack. i also have the singles for return to innocence and mea culpa i listen mainly to nine inch nails and the cure. i enjoy going to clubs in NY and listening to techno(LOA and anything hard. what is up w/ the band B-tribe or B-side? i can't find their cd. check out deep forest if you get the chance asalem alakem -Cliff ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 20:50:44 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Hello! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 18, 1:18pm, TAIPAN@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU wrote: > I have several albums of Sandra who is ranked my no.1 female singer so > far, but I never heard about Andy "Angel" Hard. Could someone send > me some information about him and what albums he had released. If you look in the Enigma FAQ, available from the FTP site yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au in directory listserv/enigma/Enigma as FAQ.txt, there is a short section on who he is. Basically, he released an album last December which was produced by Michael Cretu and Jens Gad. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 10:11:49 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Hello! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day! > I have several albums of Sandra who is ranked my no.1 female singer so > far, but I never heard about Andy "Angel" Hard. Could someone send > me some information about him and what albums he had released. He has only released one album. It was released this year and was produced by Michael Cretu and Jens Gad. The details of it are in the FAQ. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 23:59:19 CDT From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: HI! I'm looking for. . . To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, my turn at intros... I'm Alfredo Cruz. 31 years old and an "art proff" at Our Lady of the Lake University in San Antonio, Texas. . . that's in the U. S.! I was originally turned on to JM Jarre many moons ago. That got my brain going for the ambient stuff. Imagine my surprise at ignoring Enigma for a long time!! It was listening to the music in a theatre trailer for the Chris Columbus movie "1492" (with tha' french guy!) that I heard beautiful monks blending with the scenery and then erupt into the "beat that made Enigma famous!" Oh man, it was audio orgasm (o.k., so it wasn't a real orgasm. It's just a figure of speech) :) So here I am. . . I've got both albums (by the way, is that all that is released? In America? Overseas?) the British "Sadness" single and the British "Return to Innocence" single. I was VERY VERY lucky and found a British pressing of the Special Edition of their first album (just two albums...? There must be more out there...) Now, what am I looking for? Does anyone have a discography available? Any thing available that might be considered pre-Enigma?? And last, but for "cripes sake(!)," not last, does anyone know ANY mailorder company, domestic or overseas, that has some of the hard-to-find CDs??? Keep the peace and don't forget to. . . Return To Innocence!! Alfredo Cruz cruz@ollac.ollusa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 94 13:42:25 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: HI! I'm looking for. . . To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I was looking at some of the many messages on the list and came across your intro again. I guess my message I posted was before you subscribed. There is a place in Oregon called Sound City 2000:(503)654-4920 til 6 pacific Mon.-Fri. that is mail order, almost strictly imports, and has an extensive listing of singles from the first album(many which have been re-released last year in Germany and such...) Hope this helps. If you want, I can send you the list of what they have. Brian Wilson wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 13:30 MET DST From: dat92fem@ludat.lth.se (Fredrik Emilsson) Subject: I, Fredrik Emilsson To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everybody out there thats interested in who I am: * Name: Fredrik Emilsson * Age: 23 * What is in your Enigma collection: I have both Enigma-albums and some albums with Sandra too. * Where you first heard Enigma, I don't remember where I heard it first. and how much of a fan you are: I like it a lot. * Other artists you like: Eurodisco (Haddaway, Culture Beat, Cappella, ...), soul (Mariah Carey, Lisa Stansfield, ...) and many other artists. * What course you're doing (if any): Computer science (third year) at Lund University (Sweden). * Any other interesting information you wish to share: I'm a Diplomacy-freak. I think this'll be a very good and nice mailing list with friendly members. Greetings, Fredrik Emilsson ------------------------------ Date: 23 Apr 94 14:22:36 EDT From: DFO@csi.compuserve.com Subject: I loe you...i'll kill you To: > With administration out of the way (phew!) I had an interesting find while at > work last night. When listening to "I Love You ... I'll Kill You", I found the > version on this Australian CD was different to the one I have on my original > European version...! On the original European version, there are no male vocals > - just Sandra singing..... but on the Australian version, there were both male > and female vocals! The sequence would be Sandra singing "Loneliness, I feel > Loneliness in my Room" around 2-3 times, and then this male voice would sing > "You'll be fine, You'll be fine" (the second time literally being a screech or > screaming tone).... > Is this the same on the UK and US versions??? Please check and post your > results. Yes, the American version has a male vocal following the "loneliness" line, but I don't know if it's the same as what you describe on the Aussie version. Certainly I don't recall anything that would be called screeching. Unfortunately the CD is at work so I can't check right now. Duane Ott dfo@csi.compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 14:43:27 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: I love you...i'll kill you To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Duane. > Yes, the American version has a male vocal following the "loneliness" line, > but I don't know if it's the same as what you describe on the Aussie version. > Certainly I don't recall anything that would be called screeching. Unfortunately > the CD is at work so I can't check right now. Well I may have over-exaggerated a bit! :) The male sings the same line twice, the second one being much more emotional than the first one.... Any UK owners out there have a male vocal on the track? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 94 08:45:10 MET DST From: peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse) Subject: I love you...i'll kill you To: ENIGMA Distribution List > On 24 Apr 1994 at 2:43pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > G'day Duane. > > > Yes, the American version has a male vocal following the "loneliness" line, > > but I don't know if it's the same as what you describe on the Aussie version. > > Certainly I don't recall anything that would be called screeching. Unfortunately > > the CD is at work so I can't check right now. > > Well I may have over-exaggerated a bit! :) The male sings the same line > twice, the second one being much more emotional than the first one.... > > Any UK owners out there have a male vocal on the track? > I haven't a copy of the album with me at work at the moment. I'll have a listen and post the results. Peter -- Spider Software E-mail: peterw@spider.co.uk Spider Park, Stanwell Street Phone : +44 31 555 5166 Edinburgh, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 94 14:50:08 MET DST From: peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse) Subject: I love you...i'll kill you To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > G'day Duane. > > > Yes, the American version has a male vocal following the "loneliness" line,> > but I don't know if it's the same as what you describe on the Aussie version. > > Certainly I don't recall anything that would be called screeching. Unfortunately > > the CD is at work so I can't check right now. > > Well I may have over-exaggerated a bit! :) The male sings the same line > twice, the second one being much more emotional than the first one.... > > Any UK owners out there have a male vocal on the track? >From the UK... At the end of the track, the penultimate "loneliness" has a male vocal singing the same line twice (it sounds like he is singing "Bring it Back") The last "loneliness" line and the line is ad libbed to fade. This may or may not be the same as the Oz version. Peter " -- Spider Software E-mail: peterw@spider.co.uk Spider Park, Stanwell Street Phone : +44 31 555 5166 Edinburgh, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 94 10:38:01 EDT From: DFO@csi.compuserve.com Subject: I love you...i'll kill you To: > From: peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse) >From the UK... > > At the end of the track, the penultimate "loneliness" has a male vocal > singing the same line twice (it sounds like he is singing "Bring it Back") > The last "loneliness" line and the line is ad libbed to fade. > > This may or may not be the same as the Oz version. This does sound the same as the U.S. version except "bring it back" is repeated 4 times; this is done in 2 or 3 places throughout the song. (I wrote up a reply about this yesterday but accidentally sent it directly to Gavin instead of to the list. The reason is that the mail system I receive these on doesn't understand any part of the header except the "from" line. It doesn't know about "reply-to". So if I reply, it goes back to the original sender. Gavin, is there any way to make the "from" line show the list address instead of the original sender's address?) Duane dfo@csi.compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:25:04 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: I love you...i'll kill you To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > >From the UK... > > > > At the end of the track, the penultimate "loneliness" has a male vocal > > singing the same line twice (it sounds like he is singing "Bring it Back") > > The last "loneliness" line and the line is ad libbed to fade. > > > > This may or may not be the same as the Oz version. This sounds the same as the Oz version - the line is sung twice at the same volume level as Sandra's...... > This does sound the same as the U.S. version except "bring it back" is repeated > 4 times; this is done in 2 or 3 places throughout the song. .....as against this version which has it echoey and not sung at the same volume level as Sandra. > (I wrote up a reply about this yesterday but accidentally sent it directly > to Gavin instead of to the list. The reason is that the mail system I receive > these on doesn't understand any part of the header except the "from" line. > It doesn't know about "reply-to". So if I reply, it goes back to the > original sender. Gavin, is there any way to make the "from" line show the > list address instead of the original sender's address?) Err.... I think you will find that if you mail to me personally, I will reply to you personally..... If you mail to the enigma mailing list, it will always be replied to the enigma mailing list. Perhaps it's a problem with your mailer???? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 16:58:59 +0200 From: UFOPRA22A Subject: imart To: ENIGMA@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.au >imart@netcom.com has a wide range of videos, both VHS and Laser Disc. >FTP to ftp.netcom.com, and in directory pub/imart you can find more info. >They've got the Enigma video (called Videos #1) on VHS; I don't remember >the price but it's certainly not as steep as $95. Is there a similar service somewhere in Europe? It seems a little stupid for an European to go CD/VHS/LD shopping to California to get European stuff... (higher prices for impors, $9 for shipping 3 CDs and one moth to wait!?!) T. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 19:24:28 -0400 (EDT) From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu Subject: imart To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >FTP to ftp.netcom.com, and in directory pub/imart you can find more info. > >They've got the Enigma video (called Videos #1) on VHS; I don't remember > >the price but it's certainly not as steep as $95. > Is there a similar service somewhere in Europe? > It seems a little stupid for an European to go > CD/VHS/LD shopping to California to get European > stuff... (higher prices for impors, $9 for > shipping 3 CDs and one moth to wait!?!) There's a place for CDs over the Internet called the Compact Disc Connection, which is cheaper then what you are talking about (telnet cdconnection.com), but it's US. I've read about a European service too but can't remember where or what it is... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 00:39:13 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: info on Japanese singles and maybe US singles(semi-long) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au This is part of the old Enigma discography reprinted w/o permission (from FTP site): The Well-Anticipated: ___ __ _ |_ |\ ||| _|\/||_| Updated 22 January 1994 |__| \|||_|| || | Compiled by Jason Kraley Discography aa590@cleveland.Freenet.Edu ______________________________________________________________________________ Please send any corrections or additional information to me: aa590@cleveland.Freenet.Edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Key: 7"=7" Vinyl Single 12"=12" Vinyl Single LP=Vinyl Album CS=Cassette Single CMS=Cassette Maxi-Single MC=Cassette Album CD5=CD Maxi-Single (Standard 5") CD=Compact Disc Album Countries: US=United States UK=United Kingdom F=France G=Germany WG=West Germany AU=Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sadeness Part 1 (1990) 12" US [Charisma 1-96395] CS US [Charisma 98864-4] (Orange cover with Marquis de Sade) 1. Sadeness Part I (Radio Edit) 4:17 2. Sadeness Part I (Meditation Mix) 2:57 CD5 US [Charisma 2-96395] (Brilliant Gray fold out case with maroon/green) 1. Sadeness Part I (Violent US Remix) 5:03 2. Sadeness Part I (Meditation Mix) 3:01 3. Sadeness Part I (Extended Trance Mix) 5:04 4. Sadeness Part I (Radio Edit) 4:17 5. Introit:Benedicta sit sancta Trinitas 3:04 CMS US [Charisma 96395-4] (Purple cover with Marquis de Sade in orange) Same line up as US CD5 but without the Introit:Benedicta[...] ______________________________________________________________________________ Mea Culpa Part II (1991) * 7" US [Charisma 7-98806] (No Cover) 1. Mea Culpa Part II 3:56 2. Mea Culpa Part II 3:54 12" US [Charisma 1-98806] (?) ? CS US [Charisma 4-98806] (Black cover) 1. Mea Cupla Part II (Catholic Version) 3:54 2. Mea Cupla Part II (Orthodox Version) 3:58 CMS US [Charisma 4-96352] (Black cover) 1. Mea Culpa Part II (Fading Shades Mix) 6:15 2. Mea Culpa Part II (Catholic Version) 3:54 3. Mea Culpa Part II (Orthodox Version) 3:58 4. Mea Culpa Part II (LP Mix) 5:03 CD5 US [Charisma 2-91642] (Ultra Blue fold out case) 1. Mea Culpa Part II (Fading Shades Mix) 6:15 2. Mea Culpa Part II (Catholic Version) 3:54 3. Mea Culpa Part II (Orthodox Version) 3:58 4. Mea Culpa Part II (LP Mix) 5:03 ** 5. Communion:O sacrum convivium a 5:Andrea Gabriel:1565 4:43 * Though times differ, the two tracks had no distinction by name alone ** Released on the classic release: A Venetian Coronation ______________________________________________________________________________ The Rivers Of Belief (1991/1992) CS US [Charisma 98649-4] (Black Cover) 1. The Rivers Of Belief 4:21 2. Knocking On Forbidden Doors 3:45 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Special Thanks to Joar Grimstvedt (in Norway)! ***************************************************** There. It would appear that "Rivers of Belief" was released in the US if this is correct(Is this right Gavin?) (Once again, I don't want to take anything away from Gavin's list...It sounds like it will be far more involved than the one I have, and I am grateful he has taken the time and effort to put it together!) Here is the info on the Japanese singles available thru Sound City 2000: (track listings were written in by the operator I talked to, so _may_ be inaccurate, and I don't know if the ID# is the CD ID# or just a "Sound City ID#" Here it is: Return To Innocence(Japan) ID:E208192-J Format:CD5 Price:18.99+ship(all this is US dollars) List: 1:Radio Edit 2:Long and Alive version 3:380 Midnight Mix 4:"show" radio edit(I think this is supposed to be "short", but there could have been a problem translating if it was in Japanese) Principles Of Lust(Japan) ID:E101098-J Format:CD5 Price:21.99+ship List: 1:Radio Edit (3'26") 2:Everlasting Lust Mix (5'08") 3:Album version(she is unsure if this is on it) 4:Jazz Mix(also unsure if is on it) 5:Omen Mix (from the listing I have, it does look like those two questionable tracks are there though...) Rivers Of Belief(Japan) ID:E127060-J Format:CD3 Price:14.99+ship List: 1:Radio Edit 2:Extended version Sadeness, Pt.1(Japan) ID:E107992-J Format:CD3 Price:14.99+ship List: (track listing not available, but likely only 2 songs if a CD3) Mea Culpa(Japan) ID:E095974-J Format:CD5 price:21.99+ship List: 1:Album version maybe? 2:Fading Shades mix (6'15") 3:Sadeness(Violent US Remix) 4:Orthodox Mix (there lists the catholic version too, but there is a note that says it is only available on the UK version they have...) *whew* that took some time. I need sleep. 8-} Notes: Japanese prices on cds: this is normal. 8-} They are expensive generally. Gavin: I hope this helped some...to me, those id#'s look like Sound City #'s. I can enquire about the real disc numbers if they are not... Good night! 8-} Brian Wilson wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu : ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 18:14:36 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Ingram Subject: intro To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi ! I've just joined the list so here is some info on me ! My name is Richard Ingram, age 27, I work as a S/W engineer at Inmos though have spent the last fiver years at Uni. Well my Enigma collection consists solely of Enigma the one that had the gregorian chants in that got high in the UK top 40. I have'nt listened to it or any of my other CDs for about 16 months as my hi-fi system decided to give up the ghost :-(( Anyway other artists I like are Tangerine Drem, Klause Shultz, Christopher Franke, Edgar Froese, JMJ, Front242, ClockDVA, Frontline Assembly, Skinny Puppy, Kraftwerk, The Young Gods, Vangelis, Rick Wakeman, and anything with synths, I also like classical music when in the mood. I am sometimes in the process of teaching myself to play keyboards, I use my ST to do MIDI recording so I can keep a record of what I've done and mix it around at a later date. I'm hoping to get a Korg M1 soon... that will encourage me to learn faster !! Anyway thats about it for me, Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 13:48:35 -0500 From: aardvark@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (aaron sorrell) Subject: intro To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Ya'll ! My name is Aaron Sorrell, age 19, from Purdue University studying aero- engineering. My collection consists of every enigma disk that I could find in the ohio Indiana region, which isn't many. MMCXD a.d., Sadness (maxi single), Cross of Changes, Return to Innocence ( maxi single). These are the only disks that I have been able to get a hold of and accually I don't know if enigma has made anything else. It's not a very popular band in Dayton, OH. oh well... Other groups that I listen too include: Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, U2, Front242 Erasure, noys, (most techno,dance,industrial), Chris Issak, Julie Cruse, and pretty much anything else except country and rap. See ya. AKS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 18:09:45 -0400 From: harri@cfa142.harvard.edu Subject: Intro To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, I suppose it's time to write a short introduction to the list. My name is Harri Vanhala, and I'm Finnish born and raised, but during the last few years have been misplaced to several different locations such as Houston and New Orleans, and am currently in Cambridge, Mass. pursuing my Ph.D. research in theoretical astrophysics. As far as my musical tastes go, they were shaped during the mid-to- late eighties (I'm 27 now...) and as a result most of my favourite music falls into the category of synthpop. My favourite bands - in addition to Enigma, of course - include Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode, New Order, The The, The Shamen, REM, Simple Minds and a recent discovery Babble (which I described as being a mixture between Enigma and Thompson Twins...). I also like regular synth music - Jarre, Vangelis and the like - techno and classical music. I listen to any kind of music and love results of mixing varied areas - hence my admiration of Enigma. I first heard Enigma on MTV Europe, when Sadeness came out. I loved the song from the very first moment, and it still is among the best musical moments I can remember (right next to hearing 'West End Girls' on the radio for the very first time...). I have the regular first album, two cd singles from it (Sadeness and Mea Culpa, which includes what in my mind may be the best Enigma product - the Fading Shades mix) and the new album. I haven't purchased the first single off the new album yet, though I may do so in the future. Before I go, I would like to ask one question. Does anyone know what part of the world the chanting in 'Return to Innocence' is supposed to be from? In my ears it sounds very much like the joiku of the Saame people in northern Scandinavia, but one review said the world music samples on the album being mostly from Asia, Africa and the America(s). If this informartion is in the FAQs please ignore this question - I'll download in sometime soon. Thanks for your time! Harri - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | Harri Vanhala | Harvard-Smithsonian | Department of Astronomy | | Astrophysicist | Center for Astrophysics | University of Oulu | | Arctophile | Cambridge, Mass., USA | Oulu, Finland | | vanhala@cfa.harvard.edu / harri@ursa-major.spdcc.com / harri@hiisi.oulu.fi| - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - | "A foreign country is the first requirement of a good scholar." | | -- Bernard of Chartres | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 16:59:40 +0200 From: UFOPRA22A Subject: Intro To: ENIGMA@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.au ->* Name Tomaz Logar. ->* Age 21. ->* What is in your Enigma collection MCMXC a.D. "THE LIMITED EDITION" (DATA, ALPHA, MAMBO), The Cross of Changes and Sliver soundtrack (the 13 track version). ->* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I first heard them in Sad(e)ness back in '91 and liked it very much. Then came Mea Culpa (my favourite on MCMXC) and I got totaly hooked. MCMXC was one of the first CDs I grabbed after I bought the player. ->* Other artists you like Jean-Michel Jarre, Depeche Mode, Hans Zimmer as top 3, others than that: Alan Parsons Project, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Mylene Farmer, Massive Attack, Mike and the Mechanics, Sandra (kinda logical, huh?), Seal (can't wait for the new album to come out), Talk Talk,... ->* What course you're doing (if any) Well, I have a couple of years to go on the University for organisation sciences, organisation informatics. TO GAVIN: Is there any way to get the Enigma mailing list messages in digest form? T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:09:40 +0000 From: csb1@engr.engr.uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Intro... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here's the intro information: * Name : Chris Bray * Age : 22 * What is in your Enigma collection MCMXC ad, Cross of Changes, Sadeness Part I (US CD5), Mea Culpa (UK Limited Edition), Return to Innocence * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are When Sadeness came out... * Other artists you like Oh boy...Alphabetically (going thru the CD's): Tuck Andress, Tori Amos, Aphrodite's Child, Beatles, Art of Noise, Jackson Browne, Bourgeouis Tagg, Big Star, Cowboy Junkies, Crack the Sky, Crowded House, Drivin n Cryin, ELO, Danny Elfman, Bob Dylan, Enya, Peter Gabriel, Freheit, Hendrix, Indigo Girls, IQ, Jesus Jones, Elton John, Zeppelin, Jellyfish, Lemonheads, McCartney, Harrison, Lennon, Starr, Van Morrison, Pink Floyd, Petty, Nine Inch Nails, Micheal Penn, Queen, REM, Rush, Reckless Sleepers, Paul Simon, Jules Shear, Matthew Sweet, Carl Stalling, Teenage Fanclub, They Might Be Giants, Traveling Wilburys, Suzanne Vega, Victori Williams, Violent Femmes, Steve Winwood, Neil Young, XTC Those are a few of the artists I have CD's by * What course you're doing (if any) Senior in Chemical Engineering at the Univeristity of Arkansas, Fayetteville... * Any other interesting information you wish to share I love music. I play guitar. I collect CD's and albums. Most of my stuff is collectibles. I really dont by any domestic (to the US) CD's anymore... Well, late for class... Chris -- ============================================================================== csb1@engr.uark.edu | Chris Bray cbray@comp.uark.edu | University of Arkansas, Fayetteville ============================================================================== I guess we were all guilty, in a way. We all shot him, we all skinned him, and we all got a complimentary bumper sticker that said, "I Helped Skin Bob." ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 17:00:25 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Intro and other stuff To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I am Don Gray, and I live in Silicon Valley in Northern California. I'm 30 years old and work for a Unix software company in international sales. I first heard Enigma in Los Angeles on the radio (KROQ) but didn't find out who they were until I was in a little Italian cafe in North Beach in San Francisco. I recognized it immediately, and asked the French girl at the counter what it was... I really like ambient music (Orb, Higher Intelligence Agency, Irresistable Force), and IDM (Intelligent Dance Music, but not the "electronic listening music" stuff) like Future Sound of London, Jam & Spoon, and William Orbit, and Progressive House (like some of the compilations/DJ mix stuff: Cream of Tomato, Garth, Spun, etc.). I also really like Deep Forest, and would say they're a cross between ambient and IDM. They have a very special magic and unlock a wide range of emotions within me when I listen to it. Of course, there's Enigma, and I found out about it from the help Gavin gave me with the Deep Forest Discography and FAQ that I'm putting together (the final version will be available in a few weeks and I'll let everyone here know about it then). Ob KROQ: "The Poorman" is one of their DJs there... I recall that he put together a kind of take-off on the main song from Enigma's first album... and he and another DJ did the Gregorian Chants, but changed the words to something like "I've fallen and I can't get up". It was totally in the style of Enigma, and you really had to listen to the words to figure out what they were saying (cause it sounded like the Gregorian chants), but it was VERY funny once you did. KROQ is in Pasadena (area code 818), for anyone who wants to call them up and see about getting a tape of it. I'm sure they still have it around. You probably ought to ask the Poorman. He'll remember. Or Richard Blade (I think he may have been involved with it, too). Take care, all! Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 13:00:17 -0400 From: nestor@hub.toronto.edu (John Nestor) Subject: Introduction To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi, I'm a new member of this mailing list, and thought I'd give you some information on myself. I'm a 26 year old grad student in Computer Engineering here at the University of Toronto, located in Ontario, Canada. I actually first started listening to Sandra back around '88 and then got into Enigma a couple of years ago. My musical tastes are mainly around pop dance music, but I also like the more ambient stuff like The Orb and Aphex Twin (and Enigma!) as well. Well, I guess that's it. I look forward to hearing from the list ... John Nestor nestor@hub.utoronto.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 11:36:54 -0600 (MDT) From: kabadkar@cs.colostate.edu (Ashwin S Kabadkar) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, My name is Ashwin Kabadkar, and I am a new member of this mailing list. I am a 24 year old grad student from Bombay, India. I will be graduating in a month from Colorado State University. I have only the two Enigma albums and I like them a lot. I have heard about Sandra's albums, never actually heard them. The other groups I like are: Pink Floyd-Pearl Jam-Dire Straits-Rush-Boston-Elton John-Bryan Adams Eagles-Led Zeppelin-Clannad-Enya-Roxette I know, I know, the list is completely diverse, I just like hard and soft rock mostly.... Enigma was like nothing else I had heard before, when I heard MCMXC a.D. I instantly loved it. I was outside the store on the morning that Cross of Changes went on sale :) I am hoping to receive pointers about Enigma and Enigma-like music and concerts (if any) from this mailing list. I haven't yet read the FAQ, so I will come back here with questions when I have. Ashwin -- +----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+ | Ashwin Kabadkar | Email: kabadkar@cs.ColoState.Edu | DYOLF KNIP | | Computer Science, | floydp@lamar.ColoState.Edu| tsetaerg eht si | | Colorado State Univ. | Ph: (303) 491-7773 (Work) | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | +----------------------+----------------------------------+ MAJ LRAEP | |"Computers aren't intelligent, they only think they are" | !! esolc semoc | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 94 15:23:59 CDT From: kcd@romulus.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello fellow fans - My intro info: Name: Kevin Dekan Age: 33 yrs. Work: Cray Research (we build supercomputers and other fun stuff ;-) My Enigma collection consists of MCMXC a.D. and The Cross of Changes. Also have a CD by Sandra called "Everlasting Love". It doesn't really sound much like Enigma (at least to me), but you can definately hear the connection. If memory serves me correctly, I first heard Enigma last summer when I was watching the movie "Sliver". I thought to myself "Good God, who does this incredible sounding music?" I saw it in the credits and bought MCMXC a.D. shortly therafter. Been a big fan ever since. My musical listening tastes have changed somewhat over the years, but some of the artists I have been listening to recently include (in no particular order): Enya Clannad Sarah McLachlan Pat Metheny Mary Black Tori Amos R.E.M. Cowboy Junkies For some reason I seem to be attracted to bands with female lead vocalists. Don't ask me why... Well, that's enough from me. I'm looking forward to getting some interesting mail from this list. Cheers, Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Dekan | Cray Research Inc. + internet: kcd@romulus.cray.com 900 Lowater Rd. + voice: 715-726-6440 Chippewa Falls, Wi. USA | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 10:57:13 -0400 From: "George Feil" Subject: introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Good evening... Here are my vital statistics: Name: George Feil Age: 29 Collection: "MCMXC a.d.", and the "Sliver" motion picture soundtrack, which has a couple Enigma tracks First heard A close friend plugged me in two years ago. I haven't about Enigma: been able to disconnect since. Other Artists: I listen to many genres. In the "new age" area, I particularly like Enya, Jean-Michel Jarre, Mark Isham, Kitaro, and Vangelis. In the more techno-pop area, I particularly like TACK>>HEAD (hell, anything with Adrian Sherwood), Kraftwerk, and many others. Course: Work -- as a software engineer on Wall Street. Anyway, I'm turning off the light for now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 15:03:02 MET DST From: peterw@spider.co.uk (Peter Woodhouse) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Heeelloooooooo Name: Peter 'Woody' Woodhouse Age : 26 (aarrgghhh) 'Enigma' Collection includes the latest Enigma CD, and more Sandra CD's/LPs and 12" singles that I can remember (at least 6 albums and the same 12" singles). Other artists I like include Nena, Bangles, Meatloaf, Chris De Burgh, Nirvana, Runrig, Midnight Oil, Billy Joel, Chris Rea, REM, Dire Straits, Kevin McDermott Orchestra... etc. Not doing any course, I finshed my degree 5 years ago. I'm currently working for a computer company writing communcations software. I love comedy, escpecially standup. From Billy Connolly through Bill Hicks and Jasper Carrott. Also sit-com wise Fawlty Towers, Cheers, Married With Children and all-sorts. I'm also a big fan of Darlington Football Club - That's football as in soccer. FDrom anyone who knows anything about English football, you'll probably realise I'm a bit mad, as you have to be mad to support them! I think that'll do for the time being. Peter -- Spider Software E-mail: peterw@spider.co.uk Spider Park, Stanwell Street Phone : +44 31 555 5166 Edinburgh, Scotland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 00:14:26 +7516517 (EET DST) From: Juho Vuori Subject: Introduction... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, everyone! I'm Juho Vuori, 17 years old. I first heard about Enigma a few years ago, when I heard their first(?) single, Sadeness, on radio. I have their both CD:s, but I don't think I'm any kind of fan or anything, just happen to like their music. I listen to almost every kind of music, so I'm not gonna list all my favourite artists here, but here comes few: Vangelis, Marillion, Madonna, Pantera, Bob Marley,... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Introduction and a quick question To: Enigma mailing list Hi everybody, this list is great, I have already gotten over 20 messages from it. Lets see for the introduction thingie: My name is Devon Nelson. I am 18 years old. In my (not so extensive) Enigma collection I have: M_MCMXC a. , Cross of Changes, Return to Innocence single, both the German (European?) version and the American version (With the extra Sadness track), and I have Enigma The Videos, Part One. I first heard of Enigma from a friend of mine when he brought back the first album when he came home for winter break from collage about a year ago. I like a whole slew of other artists rangeing from the likes of Iron Maiden to Bach, the only kind of music I cannot stand to listen to is Country. *BLECH* I am only a lowly freshman in collage here at the University of Washington in Seattle, Washington, USA, so I am taking a bunch of required first year courses. I want to be either a Business major or a computer programming major. I also have a quick question, the sweatshirts and stuff that you could order from the first album... can you still order them? Does anyone know? Devon Nelson otherwise known as........Rainith ------------------------------ Date: 15 Apr 94 13:28:54 EDT From: DFO@csi.compuserve.com Subject: introductions To: Vital statistics: Duane Ott 37 Lead analyst at Compuserve Inc., Columbus Ohio Enigma collection: so far just E1 and E2. First heard Enigma: "Callas Went Away" on the syndicated radio program "Echoes". I then found MCMXC in the public library. Other musical interests: All electronic music, especially Tangerine Dream and Mark Shreeve Deep Forest Techno/ambient/trance: System 7, Ultramarine, Future Sound of London, Heavenly Music Corporation, Sven Vath, etc. A limited amount of progressive rock: Eno, Fripp, Sylvian, Andy Summers. (Eno's "Nerve Net" is tops.) Final thoughts: my fave Enigma track so far, which no one here seems to have mentioned yet, is "I Love You...I'll Kill You". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 94 09:33:35 +0200 From: xkkkley@aom.ericsson.se (Lesley Stoa TM/PA 80537 3606 010-2846927 ( tom -> 940701 Johan Josefsson )) Subject: Introductory message To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name Lesley Stoa Lives in Uddevalla, Sweden * Age 35 * What is in your Enigma collection MCMXC a.D on vinyl, MCMXC a.D. "THE LIMITED EDITION" (CD), THE CROSS OF CHANGES (CD) and RETURN TO INNOCENCE 4 track CD single. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are Heard Enigma first time on the radio in 1990. I loved E1, but was a little disappointed about E2. * Other artists you like J-M Jarre, Pink Floyd, Mike Oldfiled, Enya, etc. * What course you're doing (if any) I am working as a computer consultant. / Lesley -- Lesley Stoa =============================================================================== | Computer consultant Voice : +46 31 35 47 32 FAX: +46 31 35 47 50 | | CAP Programator Stockholm AB Mobile : +46 10 284 69 27 | | Gothenburg, Sweden E-mail : lesley@sypro.cap.se | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | At the moment working for | | Ericsson Telecom AB Voice : +46 31 67 36 06 FAX: +46 31 67 29 42 | | Molndal, Sweden E-mail : xkkkley@aom.ericsson.se | =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 13:13:14 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Introductory message from Administrator To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all! I am your friendly ol' administrator of the Enigma mailing list. At last count, there are approximately 70 people on the list which is fantastic to see. I apologise for not writing sooner, but I have been busy trying to properly set up the public FTP site for you all so that you can obtain the FAQs, discographies, pictures, and articles. Before continuing, I should make some apologies: (1) I forgot to mention where to post your messages in the introductory text! It is enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (2) The introductory text states that you can get files by FTPing to yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and going to the /pub/enigma directory. The actual directory is /listserv/enigma (a new introductory text was posted to hopefully be included by the time the list was advertised but this did not occur) (3) There are currently NO files available by public FTP. This is because the administrators of the server took 3 weeks to authorise me to have access to that directory! I have received the authorisation today and shall place all the files in the directory ASAP. With all these apologies out of the way I should introduce myself: My name is Gavin Stok and I am the administrator and owner of this list! (Joar is my right-hand man as he so nicely put it!). I am 20 years old and am studying at university in Australia, doing a double major in computer science and information systems. I graduate at the end of this year. I also work as a computer/home office/CD salesman, and as a tutor of maths. Understandably, I am a busy man! My hobbies include listening to all kinds of music of all styles (favourite artists include Enigma, Crowded House, Vangelis, Yello, Paul Kelly, Paul Barry scores, Michael O'Hearn, and more!), playing tennis, catching a movie, and writing to friends. Nothing pleases me more than a good conversation! I own every album Enigma has released and every single except for "The Rivers of Belief" (anyone got a spare? 8-]), but unfortunately do not possess any of the limited edition items such as the hologramed "MCMXC a.D. 'The Limited Edition'" and the specially boxed "Mea Culpa" (details of which are in the FAQ). My love of Enigma started late after the album came out, but exploded after that. Around 2-3 months ago I decided to research into the music and its people and write a FAQ, the result of which you will soon see, and I personally feel will expand your insights into the music and people. I have thoroughly enjoyed the process of learning so much about Enigma, and will continue to do so as more information becomes available to me. Finally, I would like to thank you all for supporting this mailing list and being patient with me thus far. The success of this mailing list relies on all of us, so please do not hesitate to bring up any points or ask any questions. Should you have any problems, do not hesitate to write to enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au - problems will be addressed as quickly as possible. Alternativelty, if you wish to write to me personally then write to gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au - all mail will be replied to ASAP!!!! So, until you hear from me next with details of the availability of the files, take care! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 20:06:12 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Introductory message from the co-admin To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello all! My name is Joar Grimstvedt, I'm a 19 years old male from Stavanger, which is in the south-west part of Norway. I study Computer Science here at HSR, and am in my first of three years. I bought MCMXC a.D. in the summer of 1991, and enjoyed the music immensly. While in France that autumn, I bought all of the vinyl singles, except Mea Culpa - which I regret! I also found the maxisingle version of Sadeness, which contained the superb Violent U.S. Mix, a remix which I hold as one of the best remixes done ever, no matter music or artist. Here's a remix that really lives up to it's name! Although I listened to Enigma, I wouldn't consider myself as a superfan at that time. But last October I got in contact with Gavin, and we started discussing Enigma (something we've done continuously since then!). Shortly after, in December, Enigma's new album The CROSS Of Changes was released. Funnily enough, this album was not released in Australia at the same time, so Gavin naturally demanded a full rundown of the album. The first time I listened to this new album, I thought it was a good album. The second time, I felt maybe a little disappointment. But from the third listen and out, I just loved it, every single inch of it! A month later the first single was released, Return To Innocence, which I have both in the four track and the two track versions. Again, the remixes are brilliant. There are a couple of songs that I remember from when I was younger. 'Maria Magdalena' and 'In The Heat Of The Night' were two big hits of 1985, sung by a woman called Sandra. At the same time, a song called 'Samurai' was also very popular, and I thought it was awesome (and I still do!). The artist who sang this song was one Michael Cretu. Little did I know then that I would hear more from this Michael Cretu and this Sandra! Of Cretu's other work I have The Invisible Man album plus the 7" and 12" releases of Samurai. I also know the song 'Gambit', which to my knowledge is only released on maxisingle. With 'Gambit', Cretu scores again. And lately, I've been tuning in to Sandra's music, with Into A Secret Land as the favourite album, including the fabulous 'We'll Be Together'. And talking of favourites, my favourite Enigma tracks are 'Mea Culpa', 'Knocking On Forbidden Doors' and 'The Rivers Of Belief' from the first album, and 'The Eyes Of Truth', 'Return To Innocence' and 'I Love You ... I'll Kill You' from the second album. But it's hard to pick out single tracks like this, when you love all of the music... Lastly, I own the video to MCMXC a.D. It is a sheer joy to watch, the music of Enigma visualised with beautiful images from around the globe and the world of history and myth. I recommend everyone to see it if they can. Now, that was a long story! I do listen to other music, the main artists being Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Kraftwerk, Yello, and other electronic music. I play the synthesizer, something I've been doing for nine years now. Mainly I use the equipment to make music. As the co-administrator, I'll be assisting Gavin, running things when he's away etc. I will also make the monthly archives which will be made available on the FTP server, and the stats on just how many we are here on the list and where we come from. As of now there 102 members from 15 different countries! With that said, I conclude my introduction message. I look forward to some wonderful time on the list! Joar PS: Because of a rogue mail gateway here at the university, there may be problems getting through to me at my preferred email address of joarg@gribb.hsr.no. The problem is being worked on, but if you want to contact me and you have trouble doing so, try joarg@hsr.no for now. Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 19:18:38 +0200 From: Gunnar Thalin Subject: Intruduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I'm 24 and studying computer science at Uppsala University in Sweden. My Enigma collection consists of the two albums, which I simply love, so you might call me a great Enigma fan. I also have Cretu's album with "Samurai" (forgot it's name) and one by Sandra. My first Enigma experience I believe was Sadeness on MTV. Other artists I like include Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis and such. Gunnar Thalin d90gth@csd.uu.se ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 20:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}]" Subject: Limited Edtion To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, guys: I have found one Enigma`s limited edition of MCXMC at my local CD store, it's priced $27.99, but I alredy have its first album, is it worthy to collect? is it a fair price? - Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:37:05 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Limited Edtion To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi.... > I have found one Enigma`s limited edition of MCXMC at my local > CD store, it's priced $27.99, but I alredy have its first album, is it > worthy to collect? is it a fair price? Well it is the same as the first album but also contains what appears to be Cretu's favourite mixes from each of the 4 singles he released. If you can sell your other copy to a friend then it would make the album a worthwhile buy. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 09:02:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric M Zanto Subject: Limited Edtion To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}] wrote: > I have found one Enigma`s limited edition of MCXMC at my local > CD store, it's priced $27.99, but I alredy have its first album, is it > worthy to collect? is it a fair price? I noticed that someone said something a while back to the effect of the limited edition CD having more than one version. I think he mentioned something like one has a hologram on it and some don't? Or do they all? I ordered mine not too long ago and will see it soon, just curious.. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 13:02:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}]" Subject: Limited Edtion To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Fri, 15 Apr 1994, Eric M Zanto wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Apr 1994, Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}] wrote: > > > I have found one Enigma`s limited edition of MCXMC at my local > > CD store, it's priced $27.99, but I alredy have its first album, is it > > worthy to collect? is it a fair price? > > I noticed that someone said something a while back to the effect of the > limited edition CD having more than one version. I think he mentioned > something like one has a hologram on it and some don't? Or do they all? > I ordered mine not too long ago and will see it soon, just curious.. > > Eric > > > > What is hologram? (sorry if this is a silly question) - Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 10:38:01 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Limited Edtion To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > I noticed that someone said something a while back to the effect of the > limited edition CD having more than one version. I think he mentioned > something like one has a hologram on it and some don't? Or do they all? > I ordered mine not too long ago and will see it soon, just curious.. When the 'Limited Edition' album first came out in Europe (and possibly the UK), it had a hologram on the front cover (a hologram is a silvery thing which allows an image to be viewed from many angles, thus giving a 3D effect). It is NO LONGER available, much to everyone's dismay. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 1994 18:16:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric M Zanto Subject: Limited Edtion To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Sat, 16 Apr 1994, Gavin Stok wrote: > When the 'Limited Edition' album first came out in Europe (and possibly the > UK), it had a hologram on the front cover (a hologram is a silvery thing which > allows an image to be viewed from many angles, thus giving a 3D effect). It is > NO LONGER available, much to everyone's dismay. What isn't? The Limited Edition disc itself, or pressings with a hologram? You can still buy the Limited Edition if you look hard enough. Please clear this thing up once and for all, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 10:35:29 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Limited Edtion To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > On Sat, 16 Apr 1994, Gavin Stok wrote: > > > When the 'Limited Edition' album first came out in Europe (and possibly the > > UK), it had a hologram on the front cover (a hologram is a silvery thing which > > allows an image to be viewed from many angles, thus giving a 3D effect). It is > > NO LONGER available, much to everyone's dismay. > > What isn't? The Limited Edition disc itself, or pressings with a > hologram? You can still buy the Limited Edition if you look hard enough. > > Please clear this thing up once and for all, Whoops, sorry! As pointed out in the FAQ, the hologram version of the CD is NOT available, but the CD itself is available - it is hard to find in the US, reasonably hard to find in Europe, and easy to find in Australia. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 04:21:00 -0400 From: paul.mcgladdery@ONLINESYS.COM (Paul Mcgladdery) Subject: Me? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, all you big Enigma fans! I just subscribed to this list, (still overwhelmed, as an Internet newcomer!) and look forward to some interesting discussion with everybody. So, as requested, I will now just give a little information about myself... My full name is Paul McGladdery, I'm 19 years old, I have two CD's in my Enigma collection (are there more?!), MCMwhatever, and The Cross of Changes. I liked the first one the best, but I'm still really getting into the 2nd. As for other artists that I like...The Cure, The Pogues, Smashing Pumpkins, Moist, Suede, Enya, Clannad, Nirvana , Depeche Mode, The Tea Party...well basically everything... I'm from London, Ontario, Canada (which is between Toronto and Detroit, on that nub of land that is surrounded by the Great Lakes, y'know?) in case you wanted to know. So, I have a few questions for you...does Enigma tour at all? If so, do they tour North America? I've never seen a concert date listed for them. And as I mentioned before, do they have other albums out other than the two above mentioned? Anways, what a great idea this mailing list is, every day more and more really neat stuff reveals itself to me on this Internet thang! Heheeh, looking forward to your responses! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:03:01 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Me? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Paul, and welcome! You wrote: > So, I have a few questions for you...does Enigma tour at all? If Oh I love this question!!! The fact is that Enigma has NEVER toured and is never likely to tour - let's face it, Enigma is a studio thang! 8-] It would just not work live. (Before I get flames for this, start talking to JMJ and Vangelis fans who go to the concerts and start bickering over the fact that they feel 80% of it was backup tape). > so, do they tour North America? I've never seen a concert date listed > for them. And as I mentioned before, do they have other albums out other > than the two above mentioned? Only 2 albums thus far..... As you probably saw in the introductory message, there is a full discography (listing of all releases) and FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) available from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au If you don't know how to use anonymous FTP, then mail me at gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and I will send you my little tutorial! Enjoy the list and internet! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 07:47:52 EDT From: turnquis@csid.gmeds.com (Gary Turnquist) Subject: Me? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Gavin: Like the statement you made about Vangelis and 80% backup tape. My wife and I recently went to a TD (Tangerine Dream) concert and felt it was more interested listening to their music at home and a good stero system. It was like watching guys manipulate their Atari computers on stage (yuck) watching them in a life concert. Gary T. PS I'll get around to introducing myself later - cheers! ------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Turnquist EDS Corporation turnquis@csid.gmeds.com 750 Tower Drive (313)265 0544 Mail Stop 3349 Troy, MI 48098 ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 12:52:03 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Ingram Subject: Me? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Gavin: > > Like the statement you made about Vangelis and 80% backup tape. My wife > and I recently went to a TD (Tangerine Dream) concert and felt it was > more interested listening to their music at home and a good stero system. > It was like watching guys manipulate their Atari computers on stage (yuck) > watching them in a life concert. > > Gary T. Mmmm I think that is a bit harsh, OK they have some STs but 2/3 guys can't play all the keyboards/sound modules can they ?? A bit like expecting the conductor to play all the instruments in his orchestra :-))) Surely seeing them live may have a bit of difference like kit failures... they do use STs after all :-) Anyway your pretty lucky as they have'nt been to the UK since 1990 :-(( Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 08:20:57 EDT From: turnquis@csid.gmeds.com (Gary Turnquist) Subject: Me? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Rich: Don't want to get into a debate, but if you have a good sound system and a video player you would get as much or more out of it. The fact I saw them life was of no value. I go to concerts for the music and the entertainment value of the concert itself. They had no value added in a live concert over a video in my opinion. Gary T. ------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Turnquist EDS Corporation turnquis@csid.gmeds.com 750 Tower Drive (313)265 0544 Mail Stop 3349 Troy, MI 48098 ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:33:06 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Me? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 22, 4:03pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > > So, I have a few questions for you...does Enigma tour at all? If > > Oh I love this question!!! The fact is that Enigma has NEVER toured and is > never likely to tour - let's face it, Enigma is a studio thang! 8-] It would > just not work live. (Before I get flames for this, start talking to JMJ and Indeed it is a simple question to answer! I think the same goes for Sandra as well, I've never heard of her doing a tour. I've seen her performing on a TV show/concert though, back in 1985 when she had her first hits. She sang 'In The Heat Of The Night', and had a backing group, including two musicians each with a strap-on keyboard - one of them must have been Michael Cretu. But I reckon it was playback, the general theme of this whole show (lots and lots of famous bands and artists playing one song each, Peter's Pop Show it was called) suggested that. > Vangelis fans who go to the concerts and start bickering over the fact that > they feel 80% of it was backup tape). You know this doesn't apply to Jarre, Gavin... :) Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 13:16:55 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Me? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > The fact is that Enigma has NEVER toured and is never likely to tour - > let's face it, Enigma is a studio thang! 8-] It would just not work live. > (Before I get flames for this, start talking to JMJ and Vangelis fans who > go to the concerts and start bickering over the fact that they feel 80% > of it was backup tape). It very well *could* work live, if Cretu and company got a decent band together and arranged the material to suit the situation. I agree that heavy reliance on pretaping and sequencing is death for a live show, but even Jarre has played some genuinely "live" shows (the Concerts In China set comes to mind) and the results have been worth the effort. In other words, it's not impossible for a heavily-studiocentric band to pull off a real live concert. It *is* more trouble than most such artists are willing to go to, though. -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 12:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Me? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Fri, 22 Apr 1994, Gavin Stok wrote: > > > So, I have a few questions for you...does Enigma tour at all? If > > Oh I love this question!!! The fact is that Enigma has NEVER toured and is > never likely to tour - let's face it, Enigma is a studio thang! 8-] It would > just not work live. (Before I get flames for this, start talking to JMJ and > Vangelis fans who go to the concerts and start bickering over the fact that > they feel 80% of it was backup tape). > I can just picture in my mind a completely live (no back up tape or samples) Enigma concert, a couple of monks as backup singers, along with a Lapp or two.... ROTFL Devon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 16:44:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Doc_X Subject: Me? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Fri, 22 Apr 1994 joarg@hsr.no wrote: > On Apr 22, 4:03pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > > > Vangelis fans who go to the concerts and start bickering over the fact that > > they feel 80% of it was backup tape). > > You know this doesn't apply to Jarre, Gavin... :) > Yeah, but even IF it was all playback, he puts on a hell of a light show! Dylan "I really wish I lived in Houston" Northrup P.S. Anyone know if Jarre is touring in the US any time soon? ***************************************************************************** * Dylan Northrup * I'm not a computer genius * *********************************************** I just play one in the lab * * "It's the ones who persist for the sake of a kiss... " -- George Michael * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 09:41:53 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Me? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > It very well *could* work live, if Cretu and company got a decent band > together and arranged the material to suit the situation. I agree that > heavy reliance on pretaping and sequencing is death for a live show, but > even Jarre has played some genuinely "live" shows (the Concerts In China > set comes to mind) and the results have been worth the effort. When was that concert - 1982...... I haven't heard of any outstanding live shows since then by an electronic artist (OK, apart from the lights and lasers! 8-]).... I think an Enigma concert is nothing more than a fantasy and will never happen unless Cretu gets very very bored with studio work (which is less likely since his house is also his studio!) > In other words, it's not impossible for a heavily-studiocentric band to > pull off a real live concert. It *is* more trouble than most such artists > are willing to go to, though. Yep, and if it takes Cretu 3 years to do an Enigma album, I'd prefer not to see how much longer it would take if he did live shows too! (4 years, 5 years, ....) ;) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 14:35:39 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Me? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 23, 9:41am, Gavin Stok wrote: > > In other words, it's not impossible for a heavily-studiocentric band to > > pull off a real live concert. It *is* more trouble than most such artists > > are willing to go to, though. > > Yep, and if it takes Cretu 3 years to do an Enigma album, I'd prefer not to > see how much longer it would take if he did live shows too! (4 years, 5 years, > ....) ;) If Cretu decides to do an Enigma live show, then it would not take as long as making a new album, and certainly not 4 years! With all the music and samples in his computer and instruments, it would only be a matter of setting it up on a stage. He could add a guitarist, some live drums (in addition to the sequenced drums of course) and singers. But then comes an interesting question. Should he use the vocal samples that are such an integrated part of the Enigma sound, or should he get original performers? Certainly the original performers would be the most interesting, and I think that Cretu would opt for this, although I don't see this whole live project as likely. Enigma is a studio project after all. But it is an intriguing thought. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 15:54:00 CDT From: umparyz0@cc.umanitoba.ca Subject: Might as well.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, I might as well introduce myself as well: I'm Andrew Paryzek, 23, and trudging my way through Computer Engineering at U of Manitoba, Canada. My ENigma Collection consists of .. lessee .. MCMXC a.D. and X of Changes, along with Mea Culpa Par II, Principles of Lust, Rivers of Belief, Return to Innocence, and Sadeness (on Vinyl, I was holding out for a slim Euro version but it never came and I can't find the cardboard US one...). I first heard Enigma when I purchased the Sadeness vinyl after reading (in SPIN I think) about that track with pan flutes and chanting monks. How can you beat that? So I got it and WOW. And double WOW when I heard that the guy behind Enigma was Michael Cretu, the same fellow behind (with I suppose) Sandra and Peter Schilling's 'The Different Story' (still one of my favorites) then ... WOW again. An interesting peice of gossip I learned of (also from SPIN I think) was that Mr. Cretu's reason for making 'Enigma' was he wanted some music that he could just enjoy listening to. Whether or not this is true, he certainly made music that I enjoy listening to. I'm a big fan. Other music I like would be: Erasure, Xymox, The Shamen, Banderas (where did they go?), Sarah Brightman, Sandra, Army of Lovers, Orb, JM Jarre, Ingrid Chavez, Les Rita Mitsouko, Anna Domino, Andreas Vollenweider, All About Eve, and I'll throw in Beethoven too. Of course, like with everyone else, I could go on. What else is there to say? I don't like beer.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 13:54:42 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Minh Tran intro To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, this is forwarded: Hello all, here is my profile * Name: Minh Tran * Age: 22 * What is in your Enigma collection: MCMXC a.D. * Where you first heard Enigma: on the radio the song was "Principles of Lust" * and how much of a fan you are: moderate * Other artists you like: Patrick O'Hearn, Dancing Fantasy, Megabyte, Nightingales, Govi, Vangelis, Yanni, Klaus Schonning, Enya, and Kraftwerk. * What course you're doing (if any): '93 Oregon State University BSME graduate, currently freelancing for full-time employment. * Any other interesting information you wish to share: not for the moment unfortunately. I plan to buy the recently released Enigma album. I recently heard of "Return to Love" (as I recall) on the radio and I found it interesting! Thanks to all for the warm welcome! Sincerely, Minh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Doc_X Subject: My homework! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name Dylan Northrup a.k.a. Doc X * Age 22 * What is in Well, there are a lot of enigmas (What happened to Jimmy your Enigma Hoffa, were the Illuminati responsible for the Titanic collection sinking, E1, E2 (COC), what is the meaning of life, are emoticons toxic and hazardous to your health, :-). * Where you Well, that was a day I'll never forget . . . I remember I first heard was driving down the highway with the radio on. It was a Enigma, and beautiful summer day and I was going to buy a new stereo. how much of To make a long story short (too late) I heard Enigma, bought a fan you the tape, and used it to test which stereo I was going to buy. are It had a nice beat and I could dance to it. I gave it a 9.5 :-) * Other I am a big fan of the photorealists...Oh, you mean musical artists you artists! Peter Gabriel, JMJarre, Tangerine Dream, Big Pig, like They Might Be Giants, Alan Parsons, Pink Floyd, Rush, Tori Amos, Simple Minds, Pet Shop Boys, 2nu, Allison Moyet, Yaz(oo), Electronic, Depeche Mode, General Public, Roxette, Information Society, Sting, Andy Summers, The Police, Vinx, Christopher Franke, The KLF, Led Zepplin, Lyle Lovette, Art of Noise, Eric Clapton, Yes, Nathan East, George Michael, Fishbone, Metallica, Technotronic, Extreme, Joe Satriani, Neil Young, Queen Latifah, Pearl Jam, Cypress Hill, De La Soul, Faith No More, Boo Yaa Tribe, The Beatles, Genesis, Elton John, The Eagles, Garth Brooks, and many, many more. * What course I am a Physics Education Major you're doing (if any) * Any other interesting information I am the love child of Beauty and Intelligence with you wish to Ego as my Godfather share. ***************************************************************************** * Dylan Northrup * I'm not a computer genius * *********************************************** I just play one in the lab * * "It's the ones who persist for the sake of a kiss... " -- George Michael * ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 13:16:49 EDT From: APEARC31@MAINE.maine.edu (Elmo) Subject: new To: enigma@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU My name is April Pearce a student at University of Maine. I'm studying psychology. I first heard of enigma 2 years ago. i just started to get interested in enigma about 7 months ago thanks to my boyfriend. he's the one who got me on the list. enigma is now one of my favorite things to listen too. i also listen to the cure, morrisey, the smiths, and other such. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 15:52:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Caution Zanto Subject: New Album: CHANT To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I don't know about anyone else out there... but last night on NBC there was a spot on some news show with Connie Chung about this new group of monks in Spain, that've released a CD called simply, "Chant" ... and according to the promoters, they were expecting to sell about 150,000 copies. Well, as of a few days ago, they've sold over one million. It is going to hit #6 on the album charts tomorrow. They were interviewing lots of walks of life, and it seems that everyone is really getting into this chant music. They tried doing a census of sorts to find a target market audience, but it turns out that just about every type of person is enjoying this CD. I guess about 95% of the profits are going toward charity, and 5% toward restoration of the monestary that the monks live at. From what I heard on the news, it sounds very similar to the sound found on the Gabrieli Consort, of which a couple tracks are found on the Sadeness and Mea Culpa singles...Although I cannot say how varied the sound of Gregorian chants can get. [Ramble mode off] Eric +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Eric M. Zanto | Mello Yello Clear: |"Which half of your | | zant0001@ | There ain't nothin' Mellow - | pizza would you | | gold.tc.umn.edu | or Yellow - about it. | like the olives | | Univ. of Minnesota | "I'll take a schwa, Pat." | on, Sir?" | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 09:32:01 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: New Album: CHANT To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day [Details of "Chant" from the US deleted] This album sounds identical to an album that has been released in all other countries. In December, an album called "Canto Gregoria" was released in Spain and had massive results, being the #1 album over Christmas!!!! It was then released in the UK and went top 5, and has done likewise here in Australia. The strange thing about it all is that it is old music, unadvertised music, yet music which people of all ages have bought. "Canto Gregoria" was a 2-CD pack released by EMI CLassics, so "Chant" may be slightly different (I heard it was only one CD)... Enigma-wise, well YES it is Gregorian chants but that's where it ends..... there's no beats, no rhythms, just the power of the human voice.... I have not listened to the album yet (it's not an album you play at work!) but don't think I could handle 2 CDs worth of just chanting. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 94 21:34:11 EDT From: dyajim@aol.com Subject: New Album: CHANT To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I saw it on the news a few weeks ago. And yes, all it was was chants, no rhythm or beat or anything -- personally I think I would get very bored with it after awhile.. < Subject: Newbie To: ENIGMA Distribution List My name is Chris Brown and I attend Lock Haven University in North Central Pennsylvania. I am 19 and have just the basic Enigma stuff, both albums, and the "Return to Innocence" single. I first heard Enigma from a friend that I have in Paris, and he not gotten tired of them since. I also enjoy techno very much, and I also listen to more mainstream stuff such as pop and rap. I am originally from York, Pennsylvania; a bit north of Baltimore and 2 hours west of Philadelphia. Chris Brown Lock Haven University WLHU 90.3 FM Techno Music Director ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 18:49:31 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: New introductory message To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au For everyone's information, this is the introductory message you should have read when you subscribed: _____ | |___ _ _ __ __ | |\ | | / __ |\/| |__| |______ | \| _|_ \__/ | | | | INTRODUCTORY TEXT *** Mailing List Formed in April 1994 *** Administered by: Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) Welcome to the Enigma electronic mailing list! It is administered by Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) with the back-up help of Joar Grimstvedt (joarg@gribb.hsr.no) when I am busy or away on holiday. You are now connected with other people from around the world, many of whom are fans. Use this list to discuss any aspects of the people, the band, the rumors, and the items of Enigma. Also use it to discuss the music of the members of Enigma, including Sandra, Peter Cornelius, and Michael Cretu himself. POSTING MESSAGES * Messages for the mailing list should be sent to enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Messages for the administrators should be sent to enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Messages to unsubscribe, obtain files, etc. should be sent to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (in the format specified in this document and the Enigma FAQ) ENIGMA INFORMATION You will find FAQs, discographies, pictures, and other related information by anonymously FTPing to yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and going to the /listserv/enigma directory. Included is a comprehensive FAQ I have spent many months writing and which is updated regularly. This FAQ will also be posted to the mailing list on the first of each month. THE GOLDEN RULE I only ask that you keep the discussion on the list confined to that revolving around Enigma, the people involved in Enigma, and bands of likeness. For example, while Crowded House may be a great band, most members of the list don't really care since it's not related to Enigma. YOUR HOMEWORK! As a new member of the list I'd love for you to introduce yourself. It is a great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your presence, and also allows me to keep information such as which countries subscribers are from. Information you should include are: * Name * Age * What is in your Enigma collection * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are * Other artists you like * What course you're doing (if any) * Any other interesting information you wish to share UNSUBSCRIBING Should you wish to unsubscribe from the list at any time, simply send a message to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and in the body of the message type "signoff enigma". PROBLEMS? Should you have any problems with the mailing list, send a message to enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au - it will reached both Joar or myself and be looked into immediately. FINALLY..... Thanks for deciding to subscribe to this mailing list. I urge you to say or ask anything you like about Enigma - don't feel that you will be asking a stupid question or making a ridiculous statement. Make the most of the members in the list and the knowledge they possess! And most importantly, enjoy yourself!! I look forward to seeing your introduction! GAVIN STOK Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:17:59 CET From: "- Andreas Johansson -" Subject: New introductory message To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > As a new member of the list I'd love for you to introduce yourself. It is a > > great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your > presence, and also allows me to keep information such as which countries > subscribers are from. Information you should include are: > > * Name Andreas Johansson > * Age Twenty > * What is in your Enigma collection I'm sorry to say only Enigma 2 > * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I heard Mea Culpa on radio here in Sweden, a couple of years ago but it was first when I heard 'Return to innocence' that I became a real fan. Right now I'm trying to get hold of everything Enigma have done. > * Other artists you like (In no peticular order) Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Depeche Mode, Front 242, Mike Oldfield, Pink Floyd, Sisters of Mercy... > * What course you're doing (if any) I'm doing 'Computer Science Applied to System Analysis and Design' at the University of Boras, Sweden. The course is called 'Systemarkitektur' in Swedish. > * Any other interesting information you wish to share I,ve just became an Internet addict. What a wonderful world it is! Sincerely, Andreas. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 18:42:15 -0500 (EDT) From: hime@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Andrew Hime) Subject: New introductory message To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > * Name Andrew Hime > * Age 16 > * What is in your Enigma collection MCMXC a.D., Carly's Song tape single. (Can't afford more now, and the tape single is shot.) > * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I think it was on TV on some Top 20 show. No, it must've been the radio. But I remember it was quite some time ago. I was the hugest Enigma fan on the planet for a while, but now I've found a lot of other bands too, so... > * Other artists you like I could name a lot of local stuff, but that would get you nowhere. I'll leave it at Channel 69 for local stuff. I like basically anything alternative. > * What course you're doing (if any) Don't ask, it's a long, boring story. > * Any other interesting information you wish to share Well, I'm gay. That's all I can think of off the top of my head. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 00:46:15 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: New single? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi again all. 8-} Hope you are not getting _too_ tired of me yet. I will stop for now after this: Gavin: you said "6 singles so far...7 as of next week" WHAT?! What single? 8-} I am already looking forward to it. Thanks! Brian Wilson(bloo) wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 94 22:16:44 EDT From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: next album ?? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello everybody, I was wondering if anyone has heard whether there are plans/info/rumors about another enigma album? enigma3? It would be great, wouldn't it? curious, Bill ------------------- End of network mail ------------------------------ Date: 21 Apr 94 17:59:33 EDT From: DFO@csi.compuserve.com Subject: Other acts similar to Enigma To: > I'd say Enigma bares some similarity to Mood > Swings Orchestra, some New Age (ie, Vangelis, Mark Lasar, etc.), some > light techno.... That's *Mars* Lasar. I agree, most of his album "The Eleventh Hour" might be quite appealing to Enigma fans. (Not so much his other album, "Olympus"; that sounds more like Yanni.) Moodswings is quite good too. Duane Ott dfo@csi.compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 18:30:25 -0400 (EDT) From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu (An anonymous word of wisdom.) Subject: Other acts similar to Enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I'd say Enigma bares some similarity to Mood > > Swings Orchestra, some New Age (ie, Vangelis, Mark Lasar, etc.), some > > light techno.... > That's *Mars* Lasar. I agree, most of his album "The Eleventh Hour" might Doh! I knew that, damn typos can do a thing to you. I have both, "Olympus" actually sounds more to me like John Tesh. But "The Eleventh Hour" I think would appeal to Enigma fans. Oh, actually, only the later Vangelis I would think would have appeal to Enigma fans. Early Vangelis is very jumpy, but some of his new stuff has the same sort of feel that Enigma is. I unfortunately can't tell you any names; only what I know from radio... > Moodswings is quite good too. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 16:33:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Other acts similar to Enigma To: ENIGMA Distribution List For the fans of the first Enigma album there is a newly released album here in the US called _Chants_ which is full of gregorian chants, put out by some Spanish monks. From what I read in an article in our local paper this album is part of a longer 2CD album that they released in Europe. I have not heard it yet myself but it looks like it might be worth checking out when I get some money. Devon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 20:11:39 -0500 (CDT) From: TAIPAN@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU Subject: Other acts similar to Enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I think fans who like Enigma's first album are not because of the gregorian chants. The real reason is their melody and the feeling that the melody give us. In enigma's fist album, they used the chants as one of their music instrument which give you the sad feeling that music instruments can never simulate. In the second album, they do not use the gregorian chant because they don't want to give you the sad feeling nomore. Taipan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 12:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Other acts similar to Enigma To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 21 Apr 1994 TAIPAN@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU wrote: > I think fans who like Enigma's first album are not because of the gregorian > chants. The real reason is their melody and the feeling that the melody > give us. In enigma's fist album, they used the chants as one of their music > instrument which give you the sad feeling that music instruments can never > simulate. In the second album, they do not use the gregorian chant because > they don't want to give you the sad feeling nomore. > > Taipan Actually for myself and some of my friends what really got us into Enigma _was_ the chants (espescially in Sadeness) and of course the beat, the one problem I can see with the Chants album is that all it will be is the chants. As far as Enigma delivering a feeling of sadness with Sadeness (pun intended :)) I don't get that from the song at all, even after finding out what the lyrics mean in english (even though I was taking French when it came out nither myself or any of my friends who knew french could figure out what they were saying, except for a few phrases "Sade dit moi, etc...). Oh well I'm rambling again, talk to you all later. Devon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 18:33:54 +7516517 (EET DST) From: Juho Vuori Subject: Other acts similiar to Enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > For the fans of the first Enigma album there is a newly released album > here in the US called _Chants_ which is full of gregorian chants, put > out by some Spanish monks. From what I read in an article in our local > paper this album is part of a longer 2CD album that they released in > Europe. I have not heard it yet myself but it looks like it might be I haven't heard Chants, but I suppose the 2CD album you mentioned is called Canto Gregoriano. I have heard the album once, and the songs sounded all quite similiar to me. I think their music is excellent for some states of mind, but for everyday-music it might be a little too flat. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:30:02 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Other acts similiar to Enigma (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au This and following messages are forwarded because they were lost at yoyo due to a space problem. Joar ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu (An anonymous word of wisdom.) Subject: Re: Other acts similiar to Enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 15:28:12 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199404231534.SAA10080@cute.cute.fi> from "Juho Vuori" at Apr 23, 94 06:33:54 pm > I haven't heard Chants, but I suppose the 2CD album you mentioned is > called Canto Gregoriano. I have heard the album once, and the songs > sounded all quite similiar to me. I think their music is excellent for > some states of mind, but for everyday-music it might be a little too > flat. For background, however, Gregorian chants are excellent. They are not Enigma, however- you have to be a fan of choir-like type music. (Another one, incidentally, that I like, is the Bulgarian Woman's Choir, but that's another story...) I haven't seen the 2CD one- is that European only? I have Chants, the one CD one... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 10:19:17 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: possible mistake in phone number I gave... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Someone let me know I may have given the wrong number out for that import reord mail order place I mentioned, Sound City 2000. Here they are again, Phone:1-503-654-2196 Fax: 1-503-654-4920 Hope this helps! Brian Wilson wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 18:41:37 -0500 (EDT) From: hime@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Andrew Hime) Subject: Possibly enjoyable music? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Being an Enigma fan like all of us, I like Enigma. Hell, don't ask me why I wrote that sentence. Anyway, I happened to run across a free sampler tape by a group called Material recently. Really neat stuff, like an Enigma/MC 900 Ft. Jesus cross. Acid jazz/ambient/guitar stuff. I'd recommend checking out the full album. It's sort of world music. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Apr 94 00:42:33 EDT From: DFO@csi.compuserve.com Subject: Possibly enjoyable music? To: > Anyway, I happened to run across a free sampler tape by a group called > Material recently. Really neat stuff, like an Enigma/MC 900 Ft. Jesus cross. > Acid jazz/ambient/guitar stuff. I'd recommend checking out the full album. > It's sort of world music. Material is a group anchored around bassist Bill Laswell. I like their recent work, but I don't know if I'd call it *real* similar to Enigma. Their album "Hallucination Engine" would probably be best for Enigma fans who want to try them. Laswell also has another (non-Material) album "Divination: Ambient Dub Vol. I" that's interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 00:50:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank@world.std.com Subject: Possibly enjoyable music? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > Anyway, I happened to run across a free sampler tape by a group called > > Material recently. Really neat stuff, like an Enigma/MC 900 Ft. Jesus cross. > > Acid jazz/ambient/guitar stuff. I'd recommend checking out the full album. > > It's sort of world music. > > Material is a group anchored around bassist Bill Laswell. I like their recent > work, but I don't know if I'd call it *real* similar to Enigma. Their album > "Hallucination Engine" would probably be best for Enigma fans who want to try > them. Laswell also has another (non-Material) album "Divination: Ambient Dub > Vol. I" that's interesting. He just released Divination: Ambient Dub Vol.2! A must have also if you are into ambient dub. To add a twist you might want to try to group Praxis. .....Hank ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 10:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Principles of Lust and the video To: Enigma mailing list Ok, one time last year my friends and I were listening to Enigma and we had the volume up pretty loud, at the point in _Principles of Lust_ about at the beginning of Sadeness (reprise), when the woman in the background who has been panting lets out a small moan, we heard her say, barely above a whisper, "I'm going to come." Now I would like to know if anyone else has noticed this or if anyone thinks that she actually says something else; the wahe said it it sounded almost like two words, I'mgoing and tocome. Also I would like the get the Video mentioned in the FAQ and Discog. (the video I have only has Sadeness pt I and Mea Culpa pt II) but I have a question, if the video is imported from Europe will I be able to watch it on my TV/ play it on my VCR, as the TVs in Europe differ from the ones in the US (they have more lines on the screen or something)? Any help would be appreciated, and if anyone in the US has it and could tell me if they can view it that would be great. Thanks, Rainith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 13:55:45 CDT From: woody Subject: Principles of Lust and the video To: ENIGMA Distribution List The words that you hear in "The Principles of Lust" reprise are from Aphrodite's Child. The name of the album is "666" and the song title is "Infinity." It's one of Vangelis' first musical outings in 1971. The voice is that of Irene Papas (actress/singer) reciting the phrase "I am. I was. I am to come. I was" over and over in a frenzy. The sexual implications are of the beat-you-over-the-head kind, even though it's a Biblical reference. Enigma uses samples from this song in many of their mixes, from Papas' words to her ecstatic sounds. Hope this helps. Woody ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:18:17 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Principles of Lust and the video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day woody. > The words that you hear in "The Principles of Lust" reprise are from > Aphrodite's Child. The name of the album is "666" and the song title is Which words/lyrics are these exactly, and are they simply sampled (ie - same voice on Enigma) or just identical to hers sung by someone else? > "Infinity." It's one of Vangelis' first musical outings in 1971. The voice > is that of Irene Papas (actress/singer) reciting the phrase "I am. I was. > I am to come. I was" over and over in a frenzy. The sexual implications are > of the beat-you-over-the-head kind, even though it's a Biblical reference. > Enigma uses samples from this song in many of their mixes, from Papas' words > to her ecstatic sounds. Woody, as requested, any information as to exact details of samples and where they were used would be extremely helpful.... I appreciate your busy schedule and look forward to seeing them when you get the time. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:36:46 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Principles of Lust and the video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day! > Ok, one time last year my friends and I were listening to Enigma and we > had the volume up pretty loud, at the point in _Principles of Lust_ about > at the beginning of Sadeness (reprise), when the woman in the background > who has been panting lets out a small moan, we heard her say, barely > above a whisper, "I'm going to come." Now I would like to know if anyone > else has noticed this or if anyone thinks that she actually says > something else; the wahe said it it sounded almost like two words, > I'mgoing and tocome. WOW!!! Now there's a new insight into the music...! I have not picked up on this myself but it could be possible. I can just imagine all 90 or so members of this list scurring for their Enigma CD to find out though!!! :) If anyone can confirm this, please post it to the list. One other point of trivia I found while researching the FAQ was that someone listening to "The Eyes of Truth" swore they heard something about fixing a rollercoaster in the speaking in the background - I was never able to find the source of where the speaking was from, and what was said. When listening closely however, I did think I heard some reference to rollercoasters a number of times through the track. > Also I would like the get the Video mentioned in the FAQ and Discog. (the > video I have only has Sadeness pt I and Mea Culpa pt II) but I have a > question, if the video is imported from Europe will I be able to watch it > on my TV/ play it on my VCR, as the TVs in Europe differ from the ones in > the US (they have more lines on the screen or something)? Any help would > be appreciated, and if anyone in the US has it and could tell me if they > can view it that would be great. Answer - yes, but only if you have a lot of money! In Europe they use the SECAM/PAL system, whereas int he US they use the NTSC system. If you bought the Europe video (which costs around US$35 in Norway), you would then have to get it converted (at a charge of around US$30 per hour of footage if memory serves me right) to own it. That's big bikkies for a 43 minute video! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 21:53:21 +0000 From: csb1@engr.engr.uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Principles of Lust and the video To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > Answer - yes, but only if you have a lot of money! In Europe they use the > SECAM/PAL system, whereas int he US they use the NTSC system. If you bought the > Europe video (which costs around US$35 in Norway), you would then have to get > it converted (at a charge of around US$30 per hour of footage if memory serves > me right) to own it. That's big bikkies for a 43 minute video! Look around for it... Here in Fayetteville, AR, a local used store has the video for rent... Chris -- ============================================================================== csb1@engr.uark.edu | Chris Bray cbray@comp.uark.edu | University of Arkansas, Fayetteville ============================================================================== Probably the earliest flyswatters were nothing more than some sort of striking surfaces attached to the end of a long stick. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Apr 1994 11:12:08 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Ingram Subject: Principles of Lust and the video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > > > Answer - yes, but only if you have a lot of money! In Europe they use the > > SECAM/PAL system, whereas int he US they use the NTSC system. If you bought the > > Europe video (which costs around US$35 in Norway), you would then have to get > > it converted (at a charge of around US$30 per hour of footage if memory serves > > me right) to own it. That's big bikkies for a 43 minute video! > > Look around for it... > > Here in Fayetteville, AR, a local used store has the video for > rent... > > Chris Or you could buy one of the Panasonic/Grundig/Philips video recorders that can playback/recored in dual format ! OK playing an NTSC vid on a PAL TV will give a letter box effect (I think) but that does not matter :-) If you are thinking of getting a lot of NTSC or PAL videos depending on where you live it could be worth the 500 (insert currency here). Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 14:51:12 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: RCPT: Re: "Intersection" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. This was posted to all enigma subscribers: > Confirmation of reading: your message - > > Date: 24 Apr 94 20:52 > To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Subject: Re: "Intersection" > > Was read at 8:36, 25 Apr 94. I ask you to please turn off the receipt confirmation option on your mailer, as these messages are not welcomes on the mailing list. If you do not know how to do it personally, then please see someone who does ASAP or I will be forced to delete you from the list. Sorry to be so harsh.... it's just policy! 8-] Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 21:03:51 - 1000 From: "ISLAM, RAMIT" Subject: RCPT: Re: "Intersection" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Sorry,I think I missed you request to disable that option. I think I've now disabled it. My apologies =) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 11:36:58 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Subject: Related Music: In The Nursery To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Recommended listening for adventurous Enigma fans: In The Nursery. This British duo comprised of brothers Klive and Nigel Humberstone (you can't find names more British than that) creates uncategorizable music, drawing on classical, popular, and ancient music forms. Much is instrumental, synthesized orchestral music, with added touches of (live) snare drum or drum machines. The early records feature the weak vocals, in English, of the brothers, and a more industrial sound - to my mind, grating and unpleasant. The later records - L'Esprit, Sense, and Duality - are all highly recommended. The music is haunting and lyrical. Unforgettable melodies and themes. Dolores Marguerite C. provides vocals in whispered French, and the music varies from intense drama to serene ballades. Worth exploring. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 00:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank@world.std.com Subject: Sadness To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I've got a quick question for ya. What singles were released in the U.S., > besides Mea Culpa, from enigmas first disk? I've only seen Mea Culpa II in > the Dayton Ohio area, of course it's not the most musically diverse area in > the world either. Second, are the limited edition disks entiled? > Aaron > > > Aaron, "Sadness" was the first single. I think that their were 2 other ones. .....Hank ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 15:20:41 +1000 (EST) From: Timothy Neame Subject: Sadness To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > > > I've got a quick question for ya. What singles were released in the U.S., > > besides Mea Culpa, from enigmas first disk? I've only seen Mea Culpa II in > > the Dayton Ohio area, of course it's not the most musically diverse area in > > the world either. Second, are the limited edition disks entiled? > > Aaron > > > > > > > > Aaron, > "Sadness" was the first single. I think that their were 2 other ones. > > .....Hank Hi, I am new to this list, but I believe I can answer your question - the first one at least. In Australia at least there were three singles from the first disk: Sadness Mea Culpa The River This would match Hank's thought that there were 2 others besides Sadness, but the US could have had different releases. Tim Neame t.neame@trl.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:40:33 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Sadness To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all...... Still fixing FTP up. Bare with me! > > > I've got a quick question for ya. What singles were released in the U.S., > > > besides Mea Culpa, from enigmas first disk? I've only seen Mea Culpa II in > > > the Dayton Ohio area, of course it's not the most musically diverse area in > > > the world either. Second, are the limited edition disks entiled? > > > Aaron Only Sadeness and Mea Culpa were released as CD singles in the US. The Limited Edition CDs were NOT released in the US. > I am new to this list, but I believe I can answer your question - the > first one at least. In Australia at least there were three singles from > the first disk: > Sadness > Mea Culpa > The River In Australia, there were 4: Sadness, Mea Culpa, Principles of Lust, and The Rivers of Belief. All of this information will be in the discography and FAQ. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 10:35:38 -0600 (MDT) From: kabadkar@cs.colostate.edu (Ashwin S Kabadkar) Subject: Sandra's Albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (enigma) I know about 99 percent of you have heard and know more about this, so please be patient with me: In the FAQ, I didn't notice anything about how Sandra's albums sound like. Do they sound like Enigma at all? I am interested in buying one of hers (maybe that 18 greatest hits one that was mentioned in the FAQ) but I would like some opinions first. BTW, that was a nice FAQ, Gavin. I read many things there that I did not know. Thanks, Ashwin -- +----------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+ | Ashwin Kabadkar | Email: kabadkar@cs.ColoState.Edu | DYOLF KNIP | | Computer Science, | floydp@lamar.ColoState.Edu| tsetaerg eht si | | Colorado State Univ. | Ph: (303) 491-7773 (Work) | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | +----------------------+----------------------------------+ MAJ LRAEP | |"Computers aren't intelligent, they only think they are" | !! esolc semoc | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:43:06 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Sandra's Albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > In the FAQ, I didn't notice anything about how Sandra's albums sound > like. Do they sound like Enigma at all? Not all that much; the songs are more upbeat vocal Europop/Eurodisco sounding than Enigma's. The production sound is similar, so Michael Cretu is pretty consistent in that sense. When I first heard "Into A Secret Land" it reminded me a lot of Pet Shop Boys, and therefore got me started collecting her stuff. > I am interested in buying one of hers (maybe that 18 greatest hits one > that was mentioned in the FAQ) but I would like some opinions first. The "Everlasting Love" compilation was released on Virgin in the US, so you might be able to track that down cheaply. -- Lazlo (lazlo@carina.unm.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 10:30:45 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Some administration and findings To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all - it's been a while since I've posted due to being run off my feet with university and other extra-curricular activities! I have some administrative things to say: 1. Some of the discussion on this list concerning Dead Can Dance has been OFF-TOPIC! I have no problems with comparisons of DCD to Enigma, but I do have problems with comparisons of DCD albums and where to get them.... IF A MESSAGE IS NOT RELATED TO ENIGMA, DO NOT POST IT - EMAIL IT TO THE NECESSARY PERSON! I have already had people complaining about traffic flow and the need for daily digests (which is still being chased up) so please think about your message and whether it is Enigma related before posting it 2. I am getting lots of messages bounced back to me with errors about not being able to send it within 4 hours or even 1 day! If you know you are on a slow server and can go to a faster one, please do so! With administration out of the way (phew!) I had an interesting find while at work last night. When listening to "I Love You ... I'll Kill You", I found the version on this Australian CD was different to the one I have on my original European version...! On the original European version, there are no male vocals - just Sandra singing..... but on the Australian version, there were both male and female vocals! The sequence would be Sandra singing "Loneliness, I feel Loneliness in my Room" around 2-3 times, and then this male voice would sing "You'll be fine, You'll be fine" (the second time literally being a screech or screaming tone).... Is this the same on the UK and US versions??? Please check and post your results. That's it for now! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 11:30:30 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Some comments on "the EYES of Truth" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Since people's discussions have been shifting away from the music to the products, I thought I would discuss some of my thoughts on "the EYES of Truth" (the album version). Firstly I should say that I predicted this to be the single after "Return to Innocence" and I am fairly confident that "Out from the Deep" will be next. "the EYES of Truth" is also my favourite track on the album, which may surprise some people, since "I Love You...I'll Kill You" seems to be most people's favourite. But think about it - "the EYES of Truth" (TEOT from now on!) is very similar in structure to "I Love You...I'll Kill You" (ILYIKY from now on). They both have a repetitive starting few minutes (same chant on TEOT and repeated lines on ILYIKY), followed by a markedly different 'middle' part (choir, background speaking and bombastic instruments on TEOT, heavy beat and electric guitar on ILYIKY), followed by a repeat of the starting few minutes. So what makes TEOT better then? Well, in my opinion it all gels together better. It has a great chant (very comparable to the one on "Age of Loneliness") and mixes some of the 'traditional' Enigma sounds (ie - the flute sound) with great new sounds like the reed. I am also very impressed with how the parts blend together, from the start to middle, and then the middle to end. Perhaps the most impressive part of the song is the middle part - it is layered with sounds on top of each other, including the vocal Ahhing of Bono from U2, the speech between what seems to be 2 guys somewhere (!), and then the bass instruments. It all adds up to give an atmosphere which is peaked by the choir. I just love this bit, and it is only appreciated by a loud stereo! Finally, things calm down again and the track ends with the reed sound.... Compare the above to ILYIKY, and you will find that ILYIKY does not have as many elements as TEOT does..... it is more repetitive, and is only really highlighted by the atmosphere at the start (the 'ambient', echoey electric guitar around the 2 minute mark is brilliant) and the solo electric guitar... Don't get me wrong, I love both songs, but for me at least "the EYES of Truth" stands out as supreme! Happy listening all! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:10:47 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Some Enigma-like tracks To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all.... I hope you have made yourselves at home here on the mailing list. In the FAQ I gave an idea of some albums which sound close to Enigma. I thought I would give some more specific tracks here which fans of Enigma SHOULD like due to the similarities (no guarantees though). 1. "Pinta, Nina, Santa Maria (Into Eternity) approx. 13:30 [from soundtrack to 1492] This is one of my all time favourite tracks. It is done by Vangelis (another legendary musician) and is 13 minutes of pure atmospheric bliss! The track is comparable in parts to "I Love You... I'll Kill You", notably in the sense of the atmosphere it creates. This track just has all the elements mixed perfectly to make you drift away. 2. "Anything" 6:23 [from Culture Beat's "Serenity"] This is a track I heard fully for the first time the other night. It is very much dance orientated but it sort of incorporates some aspects of the Violent US remix of "Sadeness" into the song (however slight). The major similarity is around the 4 minute mark when the musicians really start playing around with the stereo aspects.... the sound jumps erratically from speaker to speaker with all kinds of guitars, beats, and other instruments.... This track is an abstract link to Enigma, but a damn good song. 3. "White Whisper" approx 6 minutes [from Deep Forest's "Deep Forest"] This track has a mixture of 'pygmy' chants with dance rhythms - in my opinion if you've heard one Deep Forest you've heard them all! :) This track is slightly different however in that it plays around with stereo (ever get the feeling I like songs which do this?) with sounds bouncing from one speaker to the other. A really good listen and one to 'sing' along to. --- Well that's enough for now! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 18:00:30 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Some info on the new single To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The new single by Enigma will be out April 18th, at least in Norway but possibly in most European countries. It will be The Eyes Of Truth, and the tracks featured will be a radio edit (a shorter version), the album version, plus two dance remixes done by Michael Cretu himself. In all, four tracks. The description of the cover was a bit vague, but it'll be a person with some suns and stars above and around him (?). The drawing is most likely from the album booklet. A video will accompany the release, but I know nothing about this. Finally, I'd like to say hello and welcome to you on the list. As you may have gleaned from the introductory message, I'm Gavin's right hand, assisting him with the list and doing some maintenance tasks. As of now, there are 40 members. Let's see some activity here! You can start by sending your introduction message. Joar Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at joarg@hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 1994 12:34:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}]" Subject: Some info on the new single To: ENIGMA Distribution List Here is my Introudction to myself: Name: Thomas Chen School: University of California at Berkeley Major: Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Music: I like Europenan Musci, like New Wave, of course, I like Enigma very much, I think it's cool! I don't know whatelse I should put in my introuduction, but hope these information can let you guys know me a little bit better. Thanks. - Thomas On Tue, 12 Apr 1994, Joar Grimstvedt wrote: > The new single by Enigma will be out April 18th, at least in Norway > but possibly in most European countries. It will be The Eyes Of Truth, > and the tracks featured will be a radio edit (a shorter version), the > album version, plus two dance remixes done by Michael Cretu himself. > In all, four tracks. > > The description of the cover was a bit vague, but it'll be a person > with some suns and stars above and around him (?). The drawing is > most likely from the album booklet. > > A video will accompany the release, but I know nothing about this. > > Finally, I'd like to say hello and welcome to you on the list. As you > may have gleaned from the introductory message, I'm Gavin's right > hand, assisting him with the list and doing some maintenance tasks. > > As of now, there are 40 members. Let's see some activity here! > You can start by sending your introduction message. > > > Joar > > > Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre > Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y > Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at joarg@hsr.no > Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 10:32:15 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Status of the list To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all! Thanks for joining the list!!!! While it is not abuzz with action at the moment, it will be advertised to the public today or tomorrow. In the mean time, I just wanted to advise you all that the public FTP site is currently down so my FAQ, discographies, articles, and so on, are not currently available. I do know however that the next Enigma single will be "The Eyes of Truth" due out in Europe on April 18. So while you're waiting send in that homework!!!! (you did get and read the introduction messages didn't you?!) Gavin Stok Enigma list administrator ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 21:16:35 -0500 From: aardvark@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (aaron sorrell) Subject: stuff To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anybody know of a place to get Enigma stuff. ie. shirts, posters, ect. In the cd "Cross of Changes" there's an order form for shirts...Is there any other place to order from? Thanx in advance AKS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 12:32:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Eric M Zanto Subject: Take me back...to the rivers of belief To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Name: Eric Zanto Age: 21 CD's: Enigma2, Sadeness Pt.1 and Mea Culpa US singles, and very soon the limited edition MCMXC A.D.!!! :) Hist: First heard of them in 1990 when I saw their video. Liked it right away and went out to buy the tape. Been a huge fan ever since. Taste: I am a huge fan of Peter Gabriel, Tangerine Dream, and Jean-Michel Jarre(got my MusiCall the other day:)...I also have lots of stuff by Mannheim Steamroller, Yanni, Checkfield, Brian Eno, Enya, Vangelis, Kitaro, David Lanz, Jonn Serrie, Kraftwerk, Seal, Jon Secada, Deep Forest, Dead Can Dance, and Alan Parsons Project. Others too numerous to mention. These are my faves. Plan: I am a Junior in Electrical Engineering at the Univ. of Minnesota. Don't know quite what I want to do when I'm done, just get a job to pay the bills(for my hunger for CD's:) Stuff: I have some info on some Enigma Imports and the like, but I'll look over the discog before I start shooting my mouth off:) Glad to be on the list, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 11:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Thomas Chen [~{3BKILN~}]" Subject: Thanks to Kavin To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au To Kavin: I like the FAQ you made, it helped me to know more about Enigma and other pepople. You did a great job. Thanks again. P.S. to Sandra's fan: I just bought one Sandra's album: " Everlasting Love" it's worthy to collect! It's a great album! - Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Apr 94 22:47:27 CDT From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: the EYES of truth To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Wanted the group to know that I have a copy of the EYES of truth CD single. Purchased here in San Antonio, Texas, USA, on April 15th. A full 3 days from the posted release date. (Perhaps the release date listed on here was a local release date and not worldwide?) Anyhow, the CD was bought at a store that deals with imports. CD information (written from CD Single itself) is as follows: "the EYES of truth" 1. Radio Edit 4.36 2. Album Version 7.27 3. The Gotterdammerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods)(140 bpm)* 7.17 4. Dub Version (140 bpm)** 5.34 Total playing time 24.54 (p) 1994 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH (c) 1994 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH GEMA/BIEM/STEMRA 7243 8 92368 2 8 - DINSD 126 - PM 515 Manufactured in Holland *Remixed by Jens Gad & Curly M.C. **Remixed by Jens Gad Hope this helps all of us "Enigmatics" out there!!! Alfredo Cruz cruz@ollac.olluas.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 14:41:30 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: the EYES of truth To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day...! > Wanted the group to know that I have a copy of the EYES of truth CD single. > Purchased here in San Antonio, Texas, USA, on April 15th. A full 3 > days from the posted release date. (Perhaps the release date listed > on here was a local release date and not worldwide?) Congratulations!!! I'm envious! > Anyhow, the CD was bought at a store that deals with imports. > CD information (written from CD Single itself) is as follows: > > "the EYES of truth" > 1. Radio Edit 4.36 > 2. Album Version 7.27 > 3. The Gotterdammerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods)(140 bpm)* 7.17 > 4. Dub Version (140 bpm)** 5.34 > Total playing time 24.54 So what are they like (apart from #2 which we all know about). Who did the mixes? Is track #3 a techno version (the 140bpm hints that it is).... Also can you please give details about the cover and packaging. It's ashame that 2 of the tracks on the single won't be important to fans like ourselves. Oh well! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Apr 94 0:23:16 CDT From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: the EYES of truth To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Thanks for the quick (not even an hour from my sending it) response! I'll try to, hopefully, explain some aspects of the CD Single. . . #3 and #4 are, indeed, Technomixes (personal opinion... ugh!) The following is taken from inside jacket for CD Single: Written by Curly M.C. Published by Enigma Songs/Mambo Music *Remixed by Jens Gad & Curly M.C. **Remixed by Jens Gad Sample: Extracts from the album "Songs From The Victorious City" performed by Anne Dudley and Jeremy "Jaz" Coleman on China Records. Published by EG Music/BMG Music Publishing Ltd./ EMI Songs Ltd. Produced & engineered by "Curly" Michael Cretu Taken from the album "The Cross of Changes" The two stars (*) are a reference to songs #3 and #4 respectively. (Song #3 getting one * and song #4 getting two (**)) COVER: White cover, and background, with 18th, 19th century looking "medical/mystical" looking etching that has color added to it. It's of a person (man?) in center of four circles. Each circle getting smaller centering on navel (genitals?) with largest circle going from the top of his head down to bottom of feet. Latin words can be seen placed along all circles. As I know no latin, some of the bigger words are: Dies Mi crocormicus (?), Nox Microcofmica (can't tell if they are meant to be "f" or letter "r"), Via Solis. Good Luck on translating. A circle of clouds, with a crude sun in its center, can be seen floating (resting) on persons' head. Appears to have four Hebrew looking characters within the sun. Last, but not least, the "ENIGMA|the EYES of truth" CD title is centered on the persons' midsection. Whew. . . hope this helps. . . ya'll write back now. . . Alfredo Cruz cruz@ollac.ollusa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 17:02:45 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: the EYES of truth To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day again. [the EYES of truth details deleted] OK, you've told us all about everything but the music!!!! Give us a rundown on what the tracks are like. Is track #1 a really bad edit? Does track 3 and 4 have some excellent new samples??? Please give all us people hanging out for the new single a full rundown of each track. Oh, and be warned, when Joar buys his copy (hopefully today) you will get a very LONG description about it! *grin* Yours, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:54:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: the EYES of truth To: ENIGMA Distribution List According to an advertiser in Goldmine (the collector's marketplace), the Eyes of Truth will be available as a UK cd and UK limited edition cd on April 25. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John N. Underwood They who dance are seen as mad junderw@cs.clemson.edu by those who hear no music. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 19:21:09 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: the EYES of truth To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 18, 8:54am, "John N. Underwood" wrote: > According to an advertiser in Goldmine (the collector's marketplace), the > Eyes of Truth will be available as a UK cd and UK limited edition cd on > April 25. Do you know anything more about this limited edition of the CD single? Could it be the same as for the last album, when the second single came in a collectors box with space for four singles? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 19:48:25 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: The Eyes Of Truth single To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I got this single today. The details of the cover, record number, track listing etc. is identical to the one Alfredo Cruz posted about. The cover has the same drawing as the one on the third page ("page 2") of the album booklet. The CD itself features the same artwork as the album CD, only this time the colour is orange. The first track, which is the radio edit, is just an edited version of the track on the album. Some measures have been removed in the beginning, and for those who know the original track you can hear where bits have been chopped in order to shrink the 7 minute track down to a 4 minute one. In short, each of the various sections or parts have been reduced in length. But it's still a whole song, the editing doesn't sound artificial. The end is slightly different. Incidentally, this edit plays at 96 BPM, against the 95 BPM of the album version, for those interested. The second track is a an exact match of the one on the album. Things change for the third track - The Gotterdammerung Mix (The Twilight Of The Gods); 'gotterdammerung' means just what is in the parenthesis. It is done by Jens Gad and Michael Cretu. It is very dancy, very uptempo, and not at all remiscent of the original mix. Elements are however present, like the main chant and the big chorus part. The infamous rollercoaster conversation is also included. The track starts with various noises that move about, unfortunately the remixing partners have used the 'jam loops' of the Roland D50, which have been used over and over again in numerous songs and jingles (listen to the beginning of Jarre's 'Industrial Revolution Overture') so much so that they've become cliches, but luckily they disappear as the middle eastern woman 'sings' her line once through. Then the fun begins, conservately with just the hihats, then the bass drum and snare drum. Here a completely new vocal sample has been used, a man saying "Machine that can electronically simulate drums" - very clear, no problem understanding what he says. From this stage the track just 'plays on'. In fact, there are many small riffs and phrases used throughout this mix, and it is very likely that these have been taken from various tracks and songs. That guitarist Gad has been involved in this track is evident, as on the 380 Midnight Mix of 'Return To Innocence', the guitar is used here as well, although severly sampled and sequenced. The Dub Version (by Jens Gad only) is a lighter version of the above track. It uses many of the phrases from the Gutterdammerung Mix. Generally, these two mixes give more chords to the song, there is more melody, although this is more riff based. They certainly are dancy. I must admit I like them. I've only heard them four times - I want to listen more to them. I would be happier if Cretu/Gad had approached the song in a second way, in addition to these dance/techno versions, but still I enjoy the single. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 20:27:19 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: the EYES of Truth Video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day.... I forget the name of the person, but someone wrote about seeing the music video to "the EYES of Truth" and being blown away by it. However, I did not actually see any text about the music video itself. So can the person who saw the music video please do the list a favour and report all about the video, what it was all about, and what made it so awesome. Thanks in advance, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 19:23:47 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: The FTP site is finally active To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all..... I am pleased to announce that the public FTP site is now open and ready for business!!!!! It is located at yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and the directory you wish to change to is /listserv/enigma >From here you can get FAQs, discographies, pictures, lyrics, articles, and reviews about different artists. It should be noted that the Enigma FAQ will be constantly changing for the next few weeks, but I will post it to the list on the first day of each month. If you have any problems FTPing to this site, then please contact enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and I will look into it as soon as possible. Take care, and enjoy the FAQ!!!! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au PS - While the FAQ refers to a way of getting files through this mailing list, it has not been implemented yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 94 14:26:40 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: the Japanese Singles... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just found out the real disc ID numbers of those Japanese discs I listed (Price was indicated for each in that last post) Rivers Of Belief: (VJDP 10183) 1:Radio Edit 2:Extended Version Sadness, Pt. 1 (VJDP 10152) (Track listing not available) Mea Culpa, Pt.2 (VJCP 14027) 1:Mea Culpa, Pt.2 2:Fading Shades mix 3:Sadness(Violent US mix) 4:Orthodox mix Principles of Lust (VJCP 14030) 1:Radio edit 2:Everlasting Lust mix 3:Omen Mix Return to Innocence (VJCP 12015) 1:Radio Edit 2:Long and Alive Version 3:380 Midnight Mix 4:Short Radio Edit Hope this helps! 8-} Brian Wilson wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 13:20:10 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: the Japanese Singles... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Brian. [Japanese details deleted] Thanks for the info - it was great and will be included in the discography ASAP. One question, though - what company are the codes from????? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au PS - I found out that it costs me AUS$5 to cash in a money order, so working it all out it comes to a rough value of US$25 (as previously stated I think). So go ahead and send it out. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 13:40:42 CDT From: woody Subject: The Limited Edition To: ENIGMA Distribution List A friend of mine just sent me the Limited Edition of Enigma's MCMXC a.D. The extra mixes are incredible. For those who don't know this version of the album, it includes all the regular tracks plus: Sadeness (Meditation) Mea Culpa (Fading Shades) Principles of Lust (Everlasting Lust) The Rivers of Belief (The Returning Silence) Well worth the bucks if you can find a copy. Woody (c562611@mizzou1.missouri.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 10:15:10 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: The Limited Edition To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Woody. > A friend of mine just sent me the Limited Edition of Enigma's MCMXC a.D. > The extra mixes are incredible. For those who don't know this version > of the album, it includes all the regular tracks plus: > > The Rivers of Belief (The Returning Silence) This is perhaps my favourite track on the album - I just love how it all blends together, especially with the musical part after Sandra says "And if you believe in God, it's because of the devil."... Those of you who don't own the limited edition, should, and those of you who own the hologram cover version of the album, I'm jealous!!!!! Gavin Stok (Enigma list administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au PS - I haven't been posting yet to the list due to having to chase up a number of issues around the list (that explains why there are no files at the FTP site!!!!) I will post some introductory information very soon! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 08:21:31 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: The sincerest form of flagellation To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Anyway, this bastardizing record was never released, and God only knows > where that tape appeared from. Evidently Enigma's lawyers made sure the > rip-offs never made it to any record store shelves. They didn't do a very good job of it -- quite a few ripoffs of "Sadeness" made it to the shelves around here. -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) // Manager, KLF/Orb/ZTT/Exotic-Vinyl maillists // email majordomo@xmission.com for list info; // include "info " in message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 11:48:28 -0400 (EDT) From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu (An anonymous word of wisdom.) Subject: The sincerest form of flagellation To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > They didn't do a very good job of it -- quite a few ripoffs of "Sadeness" > made it to the shelves around here. Where? I really haven't seen any direct ripoff of "Sadness"... "rip-off" in style, maybe, but not a ripoff directly... hmm... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 11:17:58 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: The sincerest form of flagellation To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) >> quite a few ripoffs of "Sadeness" made it to the shelves around here. > > Where? I really haven't seen any direct ripoff of "Sadness"... "rip-off" > in style, maybe, but not a ripoff directly... hmm... I would call Device's "What Is Sadness?" and Cryptogram's rush-it-out-while- the-song's-hot 'cover' of "Sadeness" ripoffs. (Maybe I should add a section to the discography...) -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) // Manager, KLF/Orb/ZTT/Exotic-Vinyl maillists // email majordomo@xmission.com for list info; // include "info " in message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 16:32:19 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: The sincerest form of flagellation To: ENIGMA Distribution List gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu (An anonymous word of wisdom.) writes: > > They didn't do a very good job of it -- quite a few ripoffs of "Sadeness" > > made it to the shelves around here. > > Where? I really haven't seen any direct ripoff of "Sadness"... "rip-off" > in style, maybe, but not a ripoff directly... hmm... "Sadeness" is in the background of STREETS OF RAGE 2 for the Sega Genesis system. 8) Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 10:53:32 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: The sincerest form of flagellation (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 13:45:25 -0500 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: The sincerest form of flagellation An interesting piece of trivia. A year ago I was in one of my favorite alternative record stores near University of Pennsylvania. The owner, constantly keeps up with all the fascinating developments in the music world. Knowing that I was into Enigma, he surprised me by playing a tape for me one day in the store. The tape was an English version of 'Sadeness'! I don't remember the name of the 'artist', though I believe it was someone obscure. The record attempted to reproduce the Enigma sound exactly, down to Sandra's voice (except in English). Even the spoken male voice was reproduced, translated. Needless to say, sounded quite ridiculous. Have you ever tried to translate French poetry, for example, into English? Good luck. Anyway, this bastardizing record was never released, and God only knows where that tape appeared from. Evidently Enigma's lawyers made sure the rip-offs never made it to any record store shelves. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 23:32:15 PDT From: wilsobr@ENGR.ORST.EDU (Blooberry muffins!) Subject: the singles released... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au well, until the FAQ and discography are released, I suppose we have to fill in where we can the info that people are seeking. 8-} (please note before asking for the discography that one has been made(so says Gavin ;-}) and will be released soon. If we are patient it will be available soon, yes?) I think those that have not followed the releases will be surprised as to the number of singles(and the number of versions!) released, both in and out of print. This is what I know so far: the singles: MCMXC a.D. ------------ 1) Sadeness(also released US) 2) Rivers of Belief (this or mea culpa was released in US also 3) Mea Culpa and the other was not(of course 8-})) 4) Principles of Lust This is probably sadly inaccurate, but can give you a fairly good idea until you can see the _whole_ list. I have a discography, but there are some things missing(actually, I just checked...both 2 and 3 had US release items) Of all the releases, it seems that the US versions of the singles have th e most tracks(so says the discography) I have also heard mention of an LD available, and I am not sure what it contains. Seeing as how just 1 LD can contain 2 hours of of normal video+ audio information, I am wondering what is on this LD. Hopefully the new discography can shed some light on this... One more item for people looking for singles from the first album: A good source for these as imports(all that is available if you can not find the US domestics in used stores...) is in my home state here. It is called Sound City 2000 in Portland Oregon, USA. They are a mail order, mostly import store with an impressive catalog. Their phone number is: (503)654-2196. Their hours are:M-F 8AM-6PM Pacific time. I am just a satisfied customer, and it is not even for Enigma stuff, although they sent me a complete listing of what they have available(here goes): Sadeness, Pt. 1: (German and England versions) Sadeness, Pt. 1: (Japanese version) Mea Culpa: England, Japan, Germany Rivers of Belief: England and Japan Principles of Lust: Japan and England Return to Innocence: Japan *whew* 8-} If you _really_ want to know, I can post track listings too. 8-} 8-} Thats all for now, I hope! Brian Wilson(bloo) wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 16:52:05 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: the singles released... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi again. > well, until the FAQ and discography are released, I suppose we have to fill > in where we can the info that people are seeking. 8-} (please note before > asking for the discography that one has been made(so says Gavin ;-}) and will > be released soon. If we are patient it will be available soon, yes?) Hey, it's right here and ready to go!!!! Joar can prove they exists because he's been proof reading them!!! > I think those that have not followed the releases will be surprised as to the > number of singles(and the number of versions!) released, both in and out of > print. This is what I know so far: the singles: And I have a full list in the FAQ too....... COMING SOON!!!! :) > MCMXC a.D. > ------------ > 1) Sadeness(also released US) > 2) Rivers of Belief (this or mea culpa was released in US also > 3) Mea Culpa and the other was not(of course 8-})) > 4) Principles of Lust > > This is probably sadly inaccurate, but can give you a fairly good idea until > you can see the _whole_ list. I have a discography, but there are some things > missing(actually, I just checked...both 2 and 3 had US release items) Sorry, but it is wrong for some countries (notably the US) > Of all the releases, it seems that the US versions of the singles have th e > most tracks(so says the discography) The 2 CD singles in the US had one extra track each. > I have also heard mention of an LD available, and I am not sure what it > contains. Seeing as how just 1 LD can contain 2 hours of of normal video+ > audio information, I am wondering what is on this LD. Hopefully the new > discography can shed some light on this... The LD contains exactly the same as the video 'album'.... and goes for 43 or so minutes. It is the same as the album (start to finish) but with pictures! > Sadeness, Pt. 1: (Japanese version) Can you find out details of this please? > Mea Culpa: England, Japan, Germany Ditto for the Japanese release > Rivers of Belief: England and Japan > Principles of Lust: Japan and England Ditto again. > Return to Innocence: Japan Ditto again! > If you _really_ want to know, I can post track listings too. 8-} 8-} Yes yes yes... and references, etc... (you know the drill by now! 8-]) Gavin Stok (Enigma List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 07:13:30 +0000 From: csb1@engr.engr.uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: the singles released... To: ENIGMA Distribution List What are the track listings to the Japanese singles? (and prices) Thanks, Chris -- ============================================================================== csb1@engr.uark.edu | Chris Bray cbray@comp.uark.edu | University of Arkansas, Fayetteville ============================================================================== If you were a poor Indian with no weapons, and a bunch of conquistadors came up to you and asked where the gold was, I don't think it would be a good idea to say, "I swallowed it. So sue me." ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 14:18:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Edmond Jordan Subject: Wanted: detail review of Return to Innocence To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello all Enigma fans: I'm doing a paper on Return to Innocence for my music class. I can really use some detail analysis concerning the beat, texture, melody, harmony, vocal style, form, lyrics, and some background information about Cretu and how he came about making this song. If these things have been discussed before can someone please mail me the old news. Any comments are welcomed. Thank you -Gavin Stok: You had a good analysis of the "Eyes of Truth" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 13:27:33 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: Yep, another virgin To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I've been lurking here for awhile but I finally found time to post. SO here goes my fascinating personal details. Name: Dean Carlson Age: 18 Collection: *blush* just the new one (but I'm en expert moocher of my friend) I first heard about ENIGMA when most people did (i.e. when "Sadeness came out). I consider myself a moderate fan (translation: buying the singles doesn't look likely). Other artists I like: MIDNIGHT OIL, Bjork, JAMES, CARTER: THE UNSTOPPABLE SEX MACHINE, DEAD CAN DANCE, THE ORB, EMF, SUEDE, etc. I am still trying to escape the evil clutches of Dr. High School. Interesting info? Heck, I did the laundry yesterday. 8) Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Apr 1994 19:48:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: yet another intro To: ENIGMA Distribution List Here is yet another intro (and I'm selling something--see below). + Name: John N. Underwood (Age: 24) + My Enigma collection consists of: MCMXC a.D. (US cd), Cross of Changes (Enigma 2) (US cd), Sadeness part I (US cd single), Mea Culpa part II (US cd single), Carly's Song (D cd single), Return to Innocence (D cd single), Carly's Song (promo cd single), promo display stand for E2 *** FOR SALE: the Carly's Song promo cd is for sale. Just -------- send me some email if you are interested. + I was told that if I liked Art Of Noise, I'd probably like Enigma, so I bought the Sadeness single. I liked it :-) + [if you like Enigma you might like these...] Orb, Art of Noise, Sven Vath, Mike Oldfield [other artists I like...] * Peter Gabriel *, Depeche Mode, Erasure, New Order (et al), Cure, Sting/Police, Tori Amos, Enya, Big Country, Simple Minds, Sinead O'Connor, Pet Shop Boys, Red Flag, Bigod 20, Front 242 (and probably some others I've forgotten) + What course you're doing (if any) Majored in Math/CS and Philosophy at Emory University; now a graduate slave (uh, student) in CS at Clemson University. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John N. Underwood "The dreams in which I'm dying are the junderw@cs.clemson.edu best I've ever had" - Roland Orzabal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 19:43:16 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Your turn! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. I hope you have all had a chance to visit yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and obtain the FAQ, pictures, discographies, reviews, and articles that have been placed there. Having opened the public FTP site, my aims have now been fulfilled. There is a FAQ, there is a mailing list, and there is a public FTP site.... What more could we all ask for? (OK, perhaps the knowledge that Michael Cretu is subscribed to this mailing list, but that's another story! 8-]) But in order to keep things going well, I need to ask for the help of all of you. This is in a range of ways, as described below: * Should you find that you have some information that is not contained in the FAQ, or have proof that something is incorrect in the FAQ, please take the effort to contact me. * If you own an item or know of an item not listed in the discographies, please contact me with the necessary details so that the relevant discography can be updated. * I am currently seeking representatives from the US and the UK (Europe and Australia is already covered). The aim of each representative is to report any new releases (or details of old releases) in that country. If you feel you are qualified for the job (for example, you may work for a record store) then please contact me. Other than that, the success of this mailing list remains in our hands. Talk about the music and artists, argue about points in the FAQ, discuss the intricate details of your love of the music, etc., etc., etc..... As I said in the introduction, make the most of the list and the knowledge we all possess!!! Enough of my 'inspiring' ravings..... have fun and speak to you all soon! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************