Enigma Digest May 1994 Volume 1 : Issue 5 Administrivia (2 msgs) CDConn, CDEurope (3 msgs) CD connection? Congratulations! Deep Forest FAQ & Discography ver. 1.0 (5 msgs) Deep Forestry Discography discrepancy? (2 msgs) Enigma/Madonna/Public Enemy (2 msgs) Enigma and America (5 msgs) Hello to everyone! I love you...i'll kill you (2 msgs) interesting nu Interesting numbers from Norway (8 msgs) It's all in the rhythm . . . Laswell (was Re: Material) Limited edition CD single of The Eyes Of Truth Material MM SPOTLIGHT: May28-03 (fwd) (2 msgs) News From The UK (2 msgs) Notification of enigma0494.txt.Z Purchase Question about Peterson and Gregorian (2 msgs) REQUEST: B&W Scan of Enigma logo (3 msgs) REQUEST: B&W Scan of Enigma logoi REQUEST: UK "the EYES of Truth" info. (2 msgs) Some facts on Ibiza, Spain The Enigmatic Led Zeppelin and William Orbit (2 msgs) The Eyes Of Truth video try#2 review" The Retrun... wanted: detail (2 msgs) Wanted: detail review of Return to Innocence ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 20:39:33 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Administrivia To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello all. With the list being open for three weeks now, I think we can say that it has been a success. As you can see from the newly created archive for April, there was a lot of traffic. The members statistics are as follows: 55 edu US educational domain 22 com US commercial domain 6 au Australia 6 se Sweden 4 uk United Kingdom 2 ca Canada 2 fi Finland 2 no Norway 2 org Organisational domain 1 ch Switzerland 1 de Germany 1 dk Denmark 1 hk Hong Kong 1 is Iceland 1 mx Mexico 1 nz New Zealand 1 si Slovenia A total of 109 members As expected, a majority (more than two thirds) are from the US. Other than that, I hope you find these numbers interesting. Joar Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 11:15:51 +0100 From: Chris Barrett Subject: To: (null) > ... > 1. Return to Innocence has bulletted from #9 to #4 in the US > 2. The CROSS of Changes has now peaked at the highest spot of #9 in the US > 3. That the EYES of Truth has been released in the UK (or when it is to be released if the rumors are not true) > ... I don't really take any notice of chart positions, but here in the UK I believe that The CROSS of Changes reached number TWO in the album chart. Not bad eh?! (correct me if I am wrong.) The Eyes of Truth CD single has just been released here. Quit good, but I prefer the Return to Innocence single (this one's a bit "ravey" for my liking!). Chris Barrett se1cb@dmu.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 17:28:35 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: To: ENIGMA Distribution List On May 11, 11:15am, Chris Barrett wrote: > I don't really take any notice of chart positions, but here in the UK I > believe that The CROSS of Changes reached number TWO in the album chart. > > Not bad eh?! (correct me if I am wrong.) I'll have to correct you (to the better!) - The CROSS Of Changes entered the chart at number ONE. > The Eyes of Truth CD single has just been released here. Quit good, but I > prefer the Return to Innocence single (this one's a bit "ravey" for my > liking!). Talking of the new single, I was surprised to see that it debuted at number 10 in Norway, after all it is an instrumental track (well, at least as instrumental as you can get with Enigma), and 'chart songs' are for the most part vocal ('Doop' being an exception). So with Return To Innocence still at number 6 this means that Enigma has got two singles in the Top 10, which is quite extraordinary. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 16:35:58 +0200 From: UFOPRA22A Subject: CDConn, CDEurope To: ENIGMA@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.au >> >FTP to ftp.netcom.com, and in directory pub/imart you can find m >> >They've got the Enigma video (called Videos #1) on VHS; I don't >> >the price but it's certainly not as steep as $95. >> Is there a similar service somewhere in Europe? >> It seems a little stupid for an European to go >> CD/VHS/LD shopping to California to get European >> stuff... (higher prices for impors, $9 for >> shipping 3 CDs and one moth to wait!?!) >There's a place for CDs over the Internet called the Compact Disc >Connection, which is cheaper then what you are talking about >(telnet cdconnection.com), but it's US. I think CDC is just an online browser for the database stored in pub/imart. Prices are cool if ordered within US (free shipping if >$100), but they charge the above amount ($9/3CD) for any overseas shipment, no discount for >$100. >I've read about a European service too >but can't remember where or what it is... So at least there is one. Hope someone else knows more about it... TO BILL: CDC says: Unfortunately, we cannot locate nor acquire CDs not listed in our catalog. Everything we can acquire is already listed. However, many CDs not avail- able here are available as "imports". For imports, we recommend you contact Compact Disc Europe, a Florida-based import company, via modem at: 408 730-8138 (up to 9600, 8n1), voice: 305 481-8984, fax: 305 481-8817. ... so you can try one more (in the US :( %#*&^% :). Anyone from Florida on the list? Maybe you could check out CDE if there is any reference to European services? T. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 May 94 11:30:51 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: CDConn, CDEurope To: ENIGMA Distribution List UFOPRA22A writes: > CDC says: > > Unfortunately, we cannot locate nor acquire CDs not listed in our catalog. > Everything we can acquire is already listed. However, many CDs not avail- > able here are available as "imports". For imports, we recommend you > contact Compact Disc Europe, a Florida-based import company, via modem > at: 408 730-8138 (up to 9600, 8n1), voice: 305 481-8984, fax: 305 481-8817. > > Anyone from Florida on the list? Maybe you could check out > CDE if there is any reference to European services? Well, I'm lucky enough to live in the 408 area code so I call Compact Disc Europe quite often. The BBS is down a lot and the prices are rather high (about $10 for an import single plus a bunch for shipping). I will try to contact it and see what information it has. If I remember correctly, it has basically the same order instructions. Does anyone want me to see what they have for ENIGMA? Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 09:27:27 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: CDConn, CDEurope To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > > CDC says: > > > > Unfortunately, we cannot locate nor acquire CDs not listed in our catalog. > > Everything we can acquire is already listed. However, many CDs not avail- > > able here are available as "imports". For imports, we recommend you > > contact Compact Disc Europe, a Florida-based import company, via modem > > at: 408 730-8138 (up to 9600, 8n1), voice: 305 481-8984, fax: 305 481-8817. CDC is also available via internet by telnet'ing to cdconnection.com Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 01:31:23 -0400 (EDT) From: gt7039a@prism.gatech.edu (An anonymous word of wisdom.) Subject: CD connection? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Sorry to bother you, > But I was wondering if you could mail me a little info about > CD conn? I am looking for some of the Enigma Singles and for a CD by > a long lost band called the Abecedarians. Is CD conn. only a network > ftp type thing, or do they have a phone #, address, catalog etc? > Thanks for your time, > Bill wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu It's an online database where you can order any piece of music from an on-line "Data base" of the catalog.... Phone modem: 408-985-8982 Telephone: 408-733-0801 Fax: 408-733-0850 (The telephone and fax numbers could have changed, however...) Telnet: cdconnection.com Here's what they have of Enigma... >PHA31812 ENIGMA CARLY'S SONG $10.09 PHANTOM (IMPORT) SINGLE CAP39236 +ENIGMA CROSS OF CHANGES $14.26 CAPITOL 2/94 !CAP86224 +ENIGMA MCMXC A.D. $13.24 &CAPITOL 2/91 BEST SELLER CAP38423 ENIGMA RETURN OF INNOCENCE $6.84 CAPITOL 3/94 >PHA34202 ENIGMA RETURN TO INNOCENCE $10.09 PHANTOM (IMPORT) SINGLE Prices do not include a $3.00 shipping charge but if you order more then $100 of stuff there is no shipping charge... The prices on the Enigma stuff are a bit expensive. For the other group, Abecedaria: AR1343 ABECEDARIA AB-CD $13.01 CAROLINE/PLAN 9 10/90 Help? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 15:49:44 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Congratulations! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Today is May 18th, and it is the big b-day for the Cretus. Not only is Michael 37 years old today, his wife Sandra also has her birthday on this day, she gets 32. So cheers and salute to them! Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 04:24:41 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Deep Forest FAQ & Discography ver. 1.0 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Since Deep Forest is mentioned in the Enigma Discography, I'm posting the latest revision here. ________________________________________________________________________ //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________ D E E P F O R E S T F A Q _________________________________ version 1.0 "Somewhere, deep in the jungle, are living some little men and women. They are your past. Maybe... maybe they are your future." -- Deep Forest ________________________________________________________________________ //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ________________________________________________________________________ This document would not have been possible without the help of a lot of people on the Internet. To some, this document may represent an extreme example of some of the minutiae that gets compiled and transmitted over the Internet. Here we have this enormous FAQ and Discography for a group that really only has one album out (which is rather amusing, actually). But fans of any particular group (or people interested in any subject) can exchange information in cyberspace to each other's mutual benefit. Now *that* is putting power into the hands of the people, which is the goal of personal computing. (can you tell I work in the computer industry? :-) "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly has been a particularly helpful article, from the April 1993 Sonic Magazine, and has been used without permission. Also, "African Pygmy chants go Europop in 'Deep Forest'" by Paul Geitner of the Associated Press has been excerpted as well, and is also used without permission. A special thanks to: Pete Ashdown Christian Barthold <\/>ike Brogdon David Campbell Ad Feelders Daniel M. Greenberg Joar Grimstvedt LAURENCE JANUS Erich W Leonhardt NEESH Manish william pabst Dan Nicholson Pima Pimenoph Jay Redd Gavin Stok Mathias Thallmayer David E A Wilson Eric Zanto and others as they send in info to be included! ________________________________________________________________________ SUMMARY OF WHAT'S INSIDE I. Liner Notes II. Frequently Asked Questions 1. Q: What does Deep Forest sound like? 2. Q: How did the Deep Forest project start? 3. Q: How did Deep Forest write their songs? 4. Q: How did they make the album? 5. Q: Is Deep Forest sensitive to the cultural heritage of the people that they have sampled in their music? 6. Q: Will there be any more albums? 7. Q: Will Deep Forest ever perform live? 8. Q: Why did it take so long after its initial release to become popular in the U.S.? 9. Q: What is the background on the "Sweet Lullaby" video? 10. Q: If I like Deep Forest, are there other groups that I might like? 11. Q: Where do the chants come from? 12. Q: What does the original Baka music that is sampled in Deep Forest sound like? 13. Q: What equipment does Deep Forest use? 14. Q: How did they use the equipment on the album? III. Discography 1. Sample Credits 2. Background on the Remixers ________________________________________________________________________ I . L I N E R N O T E S DEEP FOREST - A Huge Green Brushstroke of Sound! >From a sticker on the cover: "A rare and unusual mix of ambient modern music and the songs of the Pygmies of the Central African rain forest." Deep Forest is based on an original idea by Michel Sanchez. Arranged by Eric Mouquet and Michel Sanchez. Keyboards and Programming by Eric Mouquet, Michel Sanchez and Cooky Cue on "Savana Dance". Additional vocals: Michel Villain Produced by Dan Lacksman >From the liner notes on the Sweet Lullaby CD5: "Deep Forest is not a band. Deep Forest is not an artist. Deep Forest is a concept ... a state of mind. Deep Forest is music to dance to *and* to listen to. Deep Forest joins together the hi-tech dance music of modern Europe with the haunting voices of the rain forest Pygmies of Africa." >From the liner notes on the Deep Forest full-length CD: "Imprinted with the ancestral wisdom of the African chants, the music of Deep Forest immediately touches everyone's soul and instinct. The forest of all civilizations is a mysterious place where the yarn of tales and legends is woven with images of men, women, children, animals and fairies. Not only living creatures, but trees steeped in magical powers. Universal rites and customs have been profoundly marked by the influence of the forest, a place of power and knowledge passed down from generation to generation by the oral traditions of primitive societies. The chants of Deep Forest, Baka chants of Cameroon, of Burundi, of Senegal and of Pygmies, transmit a part of this important oral tradition gathering all peoples and joining all continents through the universal language of music. Deep Forest is the respect of this tradition which humanity should cherish as a treasure which marries world harmony, a harmony often compromised today. That's why the musical creation of Deep Forest has received the support of UNESCO and of two musicologists, Hugo Zempe and Shima Aron, who collected the original documents." "The Producers and Musicians on this recording are donating part of their profit to the Pygmy Fund." The Pygmy Fund Attn.:Jean-Pierre Hallet P.O.Box 277 Malibu, CA 90265 ________________________________________________________________________ I I . F R E Q U E N T L Y A S K E D Q U E S T I O N S ________________________________________________________________________ 1. Q: What does Deep Forest sound like? A: Deep Forest is Ambient Electronic Dance music which skillfully combines centuries-old Baka pygmy chants from central Africa with Europop rhythms and a synthesized dance beat. ________________________________________________________________________ 2. Q: How did the Deep Forest project start? A: "It was just for our pleasure in the beginning," Eric Mouquet, one of two French musicians who helped create "Deep Forest," says of the project. "We just put all the feeling that we wanted into this music, and after we saw the success, we were very proud." Mouquet says his partner, Michel Sanchez, found some tapes of Pygmy chant recorded decades ago and played them after dinner one night. "It was very quiet, very beautiful," Mouquet said in a telephone interview from the studio in Brussels, Belgium, where "Deep Forest" was made. Mouquet then came up with the idea of combining the sounds with their own music. They ended up cutting the tapes and mixing them with synthesized music, drum beats and sound effects, all the while keeping as much of the original melody and tempo as possible. Then they took their demos to Lacksman and the songs were entirely re-worked. "It was the vocals and the emotion of the songs which attracted me," he says. They made a deal with Sony France, then sought to secure the rights to all the vocals. They eventually won the backing of UNESCO, which opened its extensive library to them, and of two musicologists, Hugo Zempe and Shima Aron, who collected the original documents. Dan Lacksman comments, "[Producing the album] has actually been quite a long process (over a year to complete) and it's been one of the most enjoyable jobs I've done because we had complete freedom to work on it until we were happy with it. We didn't have all the time pressures and frustrations that you usually have in a recording session so we were able to experiment. We did lots of versions of the tracks to see what worked best. We did four versions of Sweet Lullaby, for example, to try different tempos. We did a fast version, but it lost its charm so we went back to the current (slow) style. While the album, in the end result, might sound simple, we spent hours or even months on very small details." -- excerpted from "African Pygmy chants go Europop in 'Deep Forest'" by Paul Geitner of the Associated Press and "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly from the April 1993 issue of Sonic Magazine. ________________________________________________________________________ 3. Q: How did Deep Forest write their songs? A: The songwriting process was unusual because they started with the vocals and built the rhythms and textures around them. First they sampled all the vocals into an Akai S1000 in small sections, cut them up, and used its time stretching facility to give them a rhythmic structure that would work with time code. Lacksman says he didn't know what the lyrics meant in the first place and, by now, they may be quite meaningless because bits of songs from different cultures were mixed together to achieve certain textures and rhythms. "This is not an ethnic album," he says in defence of his indiscrete cut-and-pasting. "But, we did absolutely want to respect the soul of the songs and we hope that our music will inspire people who don't usually listen to music from other cultures, to seek some out. The funny thing is a lot of African people have told us they really like the album. Only academics, purists and musicologists have been negative about it." The voice samples have been use creatively - the usual cardinal sins of sampling, like chipmonking and loop glitches, have been used to great effect. Sometimes, for example, a voice sample breaks briefly at the loop point into a strange squarewave-type yodel. But Lacksman says very little was done to them in terms of artificial treatment. There are no acoustic instruments on the album, some vocals were added. "We wrote out all the lyrics phonetically for the (session) singers so they could match with the sampled voices. Then we did a lot of overdubs - 18 tracks bounced down to two, then 16 down to two and so on." The sampled voices had been mapped out on a keyboard ant then played into Cubase. "The idea was to enhance the wonderful singing with the latest technology and to really blend these old and new cultures." Excerpted from "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly from the April 1993 issue of Sonic Magazine. ________________________________________________________________________ 4. Q: How did they make the album? A: The making of Deep Forest's debut hit album happened in three stages. Keyboard player Eric Mouquet got involved duing stage two, after fellow keyboardist Michel Sanchez had laid the groundwork for some tracks by putting synth ambience to the tribal tunes. During a brief visit to Australia, to promote the album and pick up a few didgeridoo samples for their next project, Eric explained how he got involved and what happened next. "One day Michel played me the ambient version of Sweet Lullaby. At that stage it had no drums, just the vocals and synth pads. I really liked it because I thought he was trying to enhance the African voices, not just fit them into his musical ideas." Excerpted from "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly from the April 1993 issue of Sonic Magazine. ________________________________________________________________________ 5. Q: Is Deep Forest sensitive to the cultural heritage of the people that they have sampled in their music? Aware of the charges of cultural exploitation that have been leveled against similar projects by such artists as Paul Simon and David Byrne, the "Deep Forest" creators sought advice from experts on African music. Mouquet says they took the finished album to Francis Bebey, an internationally renowned journalist, author and musician from Cameroon, whose 1975 book, "African Music: A People's Art," is considered an important reference work. "He said, 'Oh you're right to do something like that, because African culture is not only for African people. It's a good way to merge all kinds of music with something new,'" Mouquet says. [In order to really help the African people, Deep Forest] decided to give a percentage of the "Deep Forest" royalties to The Pygmy Fund, based in Malibu, Calif. About $25,000 has been earmarked for the fund so far, [according to] Golden. The fund's founder, Jean-Pierre Hallet, was honored in Washington with a Presidential End Hunger Award in 1987 for his work with the Efe Pygmies of the Ituri Forest in Zaire. He says he was dubious when first approached about "Deep Forest." "When I heard someone had taken their songs and cut them up and added a disco beat, I said, 'Oh wow, that's terrible to do that to that beautiful sound.' Then I heard it," he says. "It's almost magical music." Hallet says he has yet to play the album for his Pygmy friends. His last trip to Zaire, in May, was cut short by renewed fighting in the country's civil war. "I cannot wait to go back and let them hear it," Hallet says. "I'm sure they will begin dancing -- automatically." -- excerpted from "African Pygmy chants go Europop in 'Deep Forest'" by Paul Geitner of the Associated Press. ________________________________________________________________________ 6. Q: Will there be any more albums? A: The band has a contract to do four more albums and Lacksman thinks they'll work differently next time. They'll build a new studio for a start. "We'll do a lot of demos but this time they'll be recorded on digital 8-track, so we can use the elements from them in the final mix. We want to use sounds from a lot of other countries, too, especially India and Australia." Excerpted from "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly from the April 1993 issue of Sonic Magazine. ________________________________________________________________________ 7. Q: Will Deep Forest ever perform live? A: While this project was studio-driven during the recording process, when they go on stage they'll have three keyboard players, an African vocal choir, a drummer, a bassist, percussionist and a troupe of dancers. They'll use the sequencer only to run in some effects and to run the Roland RSS with the timecode so they can recreate some of the spatial effects on the album. "It will be a very high-tech band," says Eric, "but it will be a real band! Some of the songs may be longer and the dance aspect may be more prominent, but it will still be ambient. "We don't know yet if we'll use a straight-forward stereo PA system or whether we'll also have speakers at the back of the room to enhance the RSS effects. We've got to work this stuff out." They will tour Europe and the US, and hit Australia by November 1994. Excerpted from "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly from the April 1993 issue of Sonic Magazine. ________________________________________________________________________ 8. Q: Why did it take so long after its initial release to become popular in the U.S.? A: First released in the United States in April 1992, "Deep Forest" attracted little mainstream attention, although the single "Sweet Lullaby" made it onto the modern rock and dance music charts during the summer of 1993. Still, the album sold about 200,000 copies in the United States, mainly through word-of-mouth and alternative radio air play, according to "Deep Forest" publicist Ellen Zoe Golden. In the fall of 1993, Sony decided to give it a second chance by signing hotshot director Tarsem to shoot a new video for "Sweet Lullaby." -- excerpted from "African Pygmy chants go Europop in 'Deep Forest'" by Paul Geitner of the Associated Press. ________________________________________________________________________ 9. Q: What is the background on the "Sweet Lullaby" video? A: Tarsem (who was born in India and goes by one name) won a Grammy and an MTV award in 1992 for directing R.E.M.'s "Losing My Religion" video. Despite a deluge of offers, he has avoided the format since then, concentrating instead on commercials for the likes of Levi's and Adidas. "They had done a really bad video for it for Europe," Tarsem said in a telephone interview from London. "I saw the video and I heard the song and I thought, 'What a great song -- what a crappy video.'" Tarsem's version features a little girl (his 4-year-old niece) circling the globe on a tricycle, searching for the perfect lullaby. The haunting melody of the Pygmy lullaby is combined with striking scenes shot in Moscow's Red Square, at the Great Wall of China, in front of the Taj Mahal and under the Brooklyn Bridge. MTV latched on to the lush imagery in 1994, putting the video into heavy rotation and fueling new interest in the album, which finally cracked Billboard's top 100. -- excerpted from "African Pygmy chants go Europop in 'Deep Forest'" by Paul Geitner of the Associated Press. ________________________________________________________________________ 10. Q: If I like Deep Forest, are there other groups that I might like? - Enigma (generally more dark) - Dead Can Dance (generally more dark) - Will (this is more gothic and dark) - Mouth Music - Mo-Di (doesn't have a dance beat) - Jean-Michel Jarre - Zoolook Mathias Thallmayer said, "[Deep Forest] is similar in style and feel to Enigma. (If you like Enigma, get Deep Forest. If you like Deep Forest, get Enigma.) I prefer Enigma, but Deep Forest is still very nice. It is not earth shattering but still worth-while." Gavin Stok said, "Enigma is VERY different to Deep Forest - I am still to understand why people say they are so similar... The only similarity is that they work on the same principle - music layered on top of traditional sounds.... Enigma is more gothic and traditional than Deep Forest which is more upbeat and lacking in tradition." Ad Feelders said, "If you like Deep Forest, I think you should definitely listen to ZOOLOOK by Jean-Michel Jarre. More creative use of sampled human voices. I know the DF-guys have listened to it (especially the title track!)" ________________________________________________________________________ 11. Q: Where do the chants come from? A: The chants chosen come from Pygmies and other ethnic groups in Cameroon, Burundi and Senegal. ________________________________________________________________________ 12. Q: What does the original Baka music that is sampled in Deep Forest sound like? A: There are two companion releases produced by Martin Cradick of Outback. (Released on Hannibal, a division of Rykodisc.) 1. HEART OF THE FOREST The Music Of The Baka Forest People Of Southeast Cameroon This is actual field recordings of the Baka people, on-site in Cameroon. 2. BAKA BEYOND Spirit of the Forest Mathias Thallmayer said, "This album was recorded approximately a year after Cradick and his wife returned from living with a Baka family group for six weeks. " Comments by Cradick from the liner notes: "Some of these tracks were inspired by listening to and playing with the Baka. Some are pieces that I wrote in the forest with them which I have developed further since returning to England. Others are 'covers' of their songs based on recordings made after giving them our guitar and jamming with them on mandolin. I have tried to recreate the spirit of these occasions rather than copy the music exactly and have included their performances, especially their percussion, where it helps in this aim." Mathias Thallmayer comments about the album, "I guess you could say that this one falls into the World Beat category. (It is not Ambient Dance like Deep Forest.) The music is sprightly, upbeat, and very enjoyable. The music is primarily guitar, mandolin, violin, flutes and percussion." ________________________________________________________________________ 13. Q: What equipment does Deep Forest use? A: From Dan Lackman's recording and programming studios, Synsound, In Brussels, are furnished with a massive array of old and state-of-the-art gear. These are a few of his favorite things... RECORDING: DDA DCM 232desk with DDA automation, Mitsubishi X-880 32-track with Apogee 944 filters; Otari MTR 90 24-track. Both are fully synchronized with U-matic video recorders for post production. Monitors are JBL, Dynaudio Acoustics PPM1, and Auratones EFFECTS: Roland RSS, a range of Lexicon, Yamaha, Eventide and Roland units. KEYBOARDS: Fairlight CMI Series III with Rev 9 software, 24-channel router, three hard disk configurations (1.5 Gb in total). Huge library of sounds on 800Mb WORM optical disks. Fairlight Series II, New England Digital Synclavier II (pre-Midi and pre-sampling). Roland A50 & MKB1000 master keyboards, Akai S1000 (6Mb), Yamaha SY99, TX816, TX807, DX7. Roland D50, MKS20, Super Jupiter, Sequential Circuits Prophet VS, Studio Electronics Midimoog. DRUM STUFF: Roland TR505, R8, TR808, TR707, CR78, Octapads, Linndrum V3.1, Fairlight library, Alesis D4, SDSV Simmons with pads. THE MUSEUM: EMS VCS3, Polymoog, Multimoog, Oberhelm OBX, Sennheiser VSM201 vocoder, Roland Jupiter 8, Moog IIIP modular with Midi via MPU 101 Interface. SEQUENCERS: Atari/Cubase, Pro-24, Roland MC4, MSQ700, Linn 9000, Roland model 104 (analogue sequencer), Fairlight Page R. PROGRAMMING SUITE: Tascam 320 & 216 consoles, Tascam 80-8 eight-track. Courtesy of "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly from the April 1993 issue of Sonic Magazine. ________________________________________________________________________ 14. Q: How did they use the equipment on the album? A: Eric co-wrote most of the tracks and says this was a long process of experimenting and fine tuning... "because we wanted to keep the same feeling throughout the record." The initial keyboard parts were mostly written on a Korg Wavestation because "Michel knows that keyboard very well and gets good sounds out of it." However, the building of rich multi-layered pads a lot of vector synthesis via the Prophet VS... "so that the sounds were constantly moving and we sampled Mini Moog effects and a lot of our sounds came from the Multi Moog. "We never used the factory presets and most of the sounds on the records are combinations. The flutes, for example, are a combination of samples and Roland pan flutes. We used the internal effects on keyboards, particularly on the JD800 because they're so important to the actual sound, together with external effects and the RSS. "We spent a long time on rhythmic sounds and we often used cheap toy-like keyboards for the loops. We spent hours adjusting the offsets of the loop so we could run up to three at once to get a good feel. Then I'd lay out drum sets on the Wavestation and play in additional parts to get a live and not too sequenced feel." Courtesy of "OUT OF AFRICANS" by Leslie Sly from the April 1993 issue of Sonic Magazine. ________________________________________________________________________ I I I. D I S C O G R A P H Y ________________________________________________________________________ Legend: US = United States EU = Europe (specific country not determined) FR = France NE = Netherlands OZ = Australia CD = Full-length CD CD5 = 5" CD single 12" = 12" vinyl ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Deep Forest [1992] US CD Celine Music/Synsound/EPIC - EK 53747 US CD Sony 550 Music/Epic - BK 57840 NE/OZ CD Dance Pool/Celine Music & Synsound/Columbia - DAN 471976 2 Deep Forest - World Mix [1994] FR CD Columbia - COL 476589-2 CB 811 5.33 Deep Forest 3.54 Sweet Lullaby 3.27 Hunting 4.18 Night Bird 3.18 The First Twilight 4.26 Savana Dance 5.14 Desert Walk 5.46 White Whisper 3.00 Second Twilight [length is 1:24 on BK 57840] 3.47 Sweet Lullaby (Ambient mix) 6:48 Sweet Lullaby (Round The World Mix) [remixed by Pete Arden, engineered by Jose "Choco" Reynoso, NYC] [on COL 476589-2 CB811 only] 7:20 Sweet Lullaby (Apollo Mix) [remix and additional production by Apollo 440, London] [on COL 476589-2 CB 811 only] 7:07 Deep Forest (Sunrise At Alcatraz) [Part 2] [A LOGICAL REMIX (R) by Marc Spoon & Daniel Irribaren, Germany] [on COL 476589-2 CB 811 only] 6:46 Forest Hymn (Apollo Mix) [remix and additional production by Apollo 440, London] [on COL 476589-2 CB 811 only] 5:48 Forest Hymn [on BK 57840 and COL 476589-2 CB 811 only] ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Sweet Lullaby [1993] US CD5 Epic - 49K 74919 3:55 Original Mix 6:10 (remix) 5:57 Q-Bass Mix [Remixed by Tony Garcia & Guido Osorio] 6:58 Round The World Mix [remixed by Pete Arden] 3:08 Bonus A La Efx [remixed by DJ Efx & DJ Digit] ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Sweet Lullaby [1993] US 12" Sony/Celine/Epic 49 74919 (pressed on regular black vinyl) US 12" Sony/Celine/Epic 49 74919 S1 (XSS 74919A) (on green vinyl) 6:58 Round the World Mix [remix by Pete Arden] 4:40 DJ Efx's Tribal as a Mofo Mix [redone and deconstructed by DJ Efx & DJ Digit] 4:25 Digit's Wet Dream Mix [redone and deconstructed by DJ Efx & DJ Digit] 5:57 The Downstream Mix [mixed by Joe Giucastro & Touche Moi II Productions] ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Sweet Lullaby FR CD5 Celine Music France - 659924-2 4:00 Radio version 5:58 Nature's Dancin' mix [remix by Jam el Mar] 6:58 Round The World mix [remix by Pete Arden] 7:55 Apollo 440 mix [remix by Apollo 440] 6:36 Filet-o-gang Earth mix [remix by John Davis & Charlie Smith] 4:10 Tribal As A Mofo mix [remix by DJ Digit] 3:47 Ambient mix [remix by Deep Forest] ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Sweet Lullaby (5 remixes) FR CD5 Sony/Celine - DAN 658168 5 [1992] OZ CD5 Columbia/Dance Pool - DAN 658168 5 3:55 Original mix 6:08 Remix 6:01 Nature's Dancing mix [remixed by Jam El Mar] 6:32 Natural Trance mix [remixed by Jam El Mar] 3:47 Ambient mix ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - White Whisper [1992] OZ CD5 Celine/Synsound/Columbia/Dance Pool/Sony - DAN 659463 2 5:46 White Whisper 3:26 Hunting 3:46 Forest Hymn (Ambient Short Version) 6:49 Sweet Lullaby (Round the World Mix) [remix by Pete Arden] 4:38 Sweet Lullaby (DJ Efx's Tribal As A Mofo Mix) [remix by DJ Efx] ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Deep Forest (6 remixes) FR/OZ CD5 Celine & Sonysound - DAN 658499 2 [1992] Dance Pool/Celine Music & Synsound/Columbia/Sony Made in Australia by Disctronics Limited 3:41 Radio mix [remix by Dan Lacksman] 8:06 RLP Deep Soul Remix [remix by Robert Levy Provencal] 8:47 RLP Trance Remix [remix by Robert Levy Provencal] 7:58 RLP Jungle Remix [remix by Robert Levy Provencal] 3:40 Sunrise at Alcatraz Session - Part 1 [A LOGICAL REMIX (R) by Marc Spoon & Daniel Irribaren] 7:38 Sunrise at Alcatraz Session - Part 2 [A LOGICAL REMIX (R) by Marc Spoon & Daniel Irribaren] Tracks 1-2-3-4 mixed at Synsound Studios Brussels. ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Deep Forest Ambient Part 1 [1994] EU CD5 Sony - ???? < Track Listing Needed > ________________________________________________________________________ Deep Forest - Deep Forest Ambient Part 2 [1994] EU CDS Sony - ???? < Track Listing Needed > ________________________________________________________________________ COMPILATIONS Only the songs by Deep Forest are listed. Are You Ready To Dance ?? CD ???? - ???? 6:32 Sweet Lullaby - Natural Trance mix [remixed by Jam El Mar] ________________________________________________________________________ 1. SAMPLE CREDITS Deep Forest - Contains sample from "Marilli", recorded by Stephen Jay from the Elektra Nonesuch album "Ghana Ancient Ceremonies, Songs & Dance Music". Courtesy Elektra Nonesuch Records by arrangement with Warner Special Products. Sweet Lullaby - Contains a sample from "Sadeness", the sample being the drum break that starts the song, after the initial monk singing. Hunting, Nightbird - Ethnic Sound Series Vol. 4 Polyphony of Deep Rain Forest track 1 and track 2 courtesy of JVC Musical Industries. Forest Hymn - Ethnic Sound Series Vol. 4 Polyphony of Deep Rain Forest track 1 courtesy of JVC Musical Industries. ________________________________________________________________________ 2. BACKGROUND ON THE REMIXERS Tony Garcia works for/with MCT, which is a management company in New York City. Although it doesn't look like he has any of his own projects out, he has done remixes for Sven Vath ("L'Esperanza - Raindance Mix"), Depeche Mode ("Rush - Nitrate Mix" from the "Condemnation" single), and many other groups. (NEESH) Tony Garcia and Guido Osorio did the "V.R. Heroin Mix" and "Needle Park Mix" on Billy Idol's "Heroin" single. (Dan Nicholson) Jam El Mar and Marc Spoon are the group Jam and Spoon, from Germany. In addition to doing their own music, they also remix a lot of other group's songs, including "Carly's Song" by Enigma, "Age of Love - Jam and Spoon Remixes" by Age of Love, and work for Cosmic Baby among others. DJ Digit and DJ Efx are San Francisco underground DJs who have recorded their own music as well as remixed others' music. ________________________________________________________________________ If you can help with any additional information, please e-mail me directly, and I'll make sure you get credited with helping out. Thanks, -- Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 21:52:52 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Deep Forest FAQ & Discography ver. 1.0 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Don, and congrats on getting out your first version of the FAQ (I never actually knew that "Deep Forest" was released in the US at the same time as other countries). I also thank you for my referencing me in the FAQ (pity there was no advertisement for the Enigma list though! 8-]) Anyway, I am writing to ask you a question. Was the album only released with the bonus tracks (extra mixes) in Europe? It would be interesting to find out why Columbia in the US didn't release the same version to pick up those newly found Deep Forest fans who got 'addicted' to the music on MTV. Just a thought! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 11:41:17 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Deep Forest FAQ & Discography ver. 1.0 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) Could people *please* refrain from posting huge unsolicited messages like this to the mailing list? -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finger for info on mailing lists (klf/orb/ztt/exotic-vinyl) and discographies ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 13:56:43 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Deep Forest FAQ & Discography ver. 1.0 To: ENIGMA Distribution List >Hi Don, and congrats on getting out your first version of the FAQ (I never >actually knew that "Deep Forest" was released in the US at the same time as >other countries). I also thank you for my referencing me in the FAQ (pity there >was no advertisement for the Enigma list though! 8-]) Good idea! I'll add it. >Anyway, I am writing to ask you a question. Was the album only released with >the bonus tracks (extra mixes) in Europe? It would be interesting to find out >why Columbia in the US didn't release the same version to pick up those newly >found Deep Forest fans who got 'addicted' to the music on MTV. Yes, that's a good question. I heard about the European "World Mix" CD from someone in Russia, actually. He said that the CD was made in France. -- Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 13:56:53 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Deep Forest FAQ & Discography ver. 1.0 To: ENIGMA Distribution List >Could people *please* refrain from posting huge unsolicited messages like >this to the mailing list? Actually, it wasn't unsolicited. A couple of months ago when this list first started, a number of people posted to this list asking me to post this document when it's finished. That includes Gavin Stok, our fearless list admin. If you want to flame me, flame me in private e-mail. -- Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 May 94 0:11:38 CDT From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: Deep Forestry To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I promise NOT to make this a DEEP FOREST mailing list! Can someone, privately, e-mail me information on how to order some of the DEEP FOREST CD5 singles? It seems like I'm looking for a contact in France, because all the "special" remixes are mainly IN France! On the other hand, if someone knows of a contact in the STATES who could help, well, then I'd be "happier than a fly near fresh cow man-ure!" It's just an expression, folks. I won't really be "flying" around some cow manure. I mean, gosh, really. . . I am, after all, a Texan! :) Alfredo cruz@ollac.ollusa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 20:11:24 -0700 (MST) From: The Silicon Avatar Subject: Discography discrepancy? To: Mr GP Stok Regarding the Japanese "Principles of Lust" single: The discog quotes the following: CDM: Japan (Victor VJCP 14030) 3:25 Principles of Lust [radio edit] 5:25 Principles of Lust [everlasting lust mix] 5:52 Principles of Lust [omen mix] This conflicts with my copy, also catalog VJCP-14030 Mine adds, as the 4th track, 3:04 Sadness [Meditation Mix] ^-- I really wish they'd make up their minds on Sadness/Sadeness :) Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Richards | "Against stupidity the very gods paulr@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu | themselves contend in vain." University of Arizona, Tucson | Schiller - "Maid of Orleans" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 22:01:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Blooberry Jedi! Subject: Discography discrepancy? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Tue, 31 May 1994, The Silicon Avatar wrote: > Regarding the Japanese "Principles of Lust" single: > > The discog quotes the following: > > CDM: Japan (Victor VJCP 14030) > > 3:25 Principles of Lust [radio edit] > 5:25 Principles of Lust [everlasting lust mix] > 5:52 Principles of Lust [omen mix] > > This conflicts with my copy, also catalog VJCP-14030 > > Mine adds, as the 4th track, > > 3:04 Sadness [Meditation Mix] > ^-- I really wish they'd make up their minds > on Sadness/Sadeness :) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Paul Richards | "Against stupidity the very gods > paulr@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu | themselves contend in vain." > University of Arizona, Tucson | Schiller - "Maid of Orleans" > This is most likely my fault... I am assuming the info on the Japanese release of the first album came from the info I posted, which was second-hand to me, at best. The track listings were quoted to me off of a catalog database from a foreign disc reseller. Thanks for correcting this info! BTW: Does anyone know how long it will take for "The Eyes of Truth" to be released as a single in the US, if ever? I want to know if I should go hunting for the european releases , or wait... Brian Wilson "Those aren't SEX muffins! -Coach the Blooberry Jedi 8-} Those aren't LOVE muffins! wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu Those are just BLOOberry muffins!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 09:11:31 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Subject: Enigma/Madonna/Public Enemy To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Terrifying if one considers the ramifications: The remix of "Mea Culpa" on the single (Not the "Falling Shades" remix; it must be the "Orthodox" mix) uses the drum loop from Madonna's "Justify My Love". It's mixed in with the new drum program, so may be tricky to identify, but it's there. Actually, Madonna stole that sample from a Public Enemy cut. Much as I detest their politics, P.E. did up some bumpin' rhythms. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 08:04:55 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Enigma/Madonna/Public Enemy To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Terrifying if one considers the ramifications: The remix of "Mea Culpa" > on the single (Not the "Falling Shades" remix; it must be the "Orthodox" > mix) uses the drum loop from Madonna's "Justify My Love". It's mixed in > with the new drum program, so may be> tricky to identify, but it's > there. Actually, Madonna stole that sample from a Public Enemy cut. Who in turn lifted it from the ever-sampled James Brown "Funky Drummer". -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:50:43 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Subject: Enigma and America To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The effect of Enigma's first record Stateside was exceptional for the presence of its absence. Sorry. That's a very Russian way of saying - Enigma's first record had little impact in the States. Europe responded enthusiastically to the new sound and mood, but here, aside from occasional radio and dance-club play of 'Sadeness', the record came and went. Which is not to say that MCMXC didn't sell, just that it didn't have as much impact as it deserved to. And many of those who bought the record considered it more of a curiosity or novelty than a serious work of creative art. This is perhaps not so surprising in the States. Here listeners have little interest in music not sung in English, and even less interest in music that is predominantly instrumental. This is not a slam - the difference is a result of different lifestyles and views of music. (Can one view music? Well, I don't know, I always see music as colors and sounds. I don't suggest you decorate your apartment in colors matching "The Voice And The Snake", however - but I digress . . . ). Americans tend to listen to music as background to other activities, and for shorter periods, while Europeans are more likely to sit and devote their full attention to the listening experience, and for an extended period. I remember a Stereo Review article from a few years back that actually documented these different listening styles. The first type of listening is best suited to music that is more directly visceral, as opposed to the subtle complexity of Enigma. The mood of the Enigma record takes time to develop in the listener, and I'm sure Cretu's placement of the opening music at the end of the record is intended as a gentle suggestion. If you play the record backwards, you can hear whispers of "Paul is Dead" and "Loop the CD". So ideally to listen repeatedly, and enter that trance state. The record draws on many Eastern musical influences, such as the ideas of music as trance-inducing and as an approach to spiritual experiences, and as such requires a meditative approach. Which is not to say passive, but reflective, as opposed to directed. Listen to Eno. Anyone into Enigma should hear Eno's ambient records. Enigma (not to mention techno and new age) would not exist without his efforts. Compare the piano in the ninth minute of "Principles of Lust" with "1/1" from "Music for Airports", for example. Anyway, the second chapter of this story, which I shall not go into now, is that of the new record, which clearly has hit the American mainstream in a forceful way. Not surprisingly, the record emphasizes traditional single song structures much more, with more lyrics (and in English) and catchy tunes. That catchiness and accessibility have sacrificed some of what made the first record so strong, namely, depth of mood and spirit, and lasting interest. The first record is like a faint perfume, which draws one closer to the wearer, and intrigues, while the second one is without balance, and one tires of it. That's the effect it has had on me, at least. I still listen to the first record every few days, and the second one almost never. Alright. So I did write the second chapter. Believe it or not, I restrained myself. Really, I was a quiet child. I never spoke to anyone. I just planned things to talk about later in life. That's why I can't stop now. Forgive me, Lords of Network Bandwith, I know not what I do. Oh, by the way, about those two styles of listening, you know, background or concentrated. I have found a compromise solution, in the spirit of Hegelian dialectic: I just listen to music ALL THE TIME. Ciao. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Enigma and America To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 11 May 1994 FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU wrote: [SNIP] > Here listeners have > little interest in music not sung in English [SNIP] > Not surprisingly, the record emphasizes traditional > single song structures much more, with more lyrics (and in English) [SNIP] This brings up something that has been bugging me since I first heard CoC and only now have realized...The fact that there are no lyrics in French on it...That was one of the things that I really liked about the first album and was something that made it even more of an 'enigma' to me, as I was taking french in high school at the time but when I was listening to the album I could not quite decipher the french words. Anyone out there know why Cretu decided to go with all english lyrics on CoC? Devon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 21:57:20 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Enigma and America To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > This brings up something that has been bugging me since I first heard CoC > and only now have realized...The fact that there are no lyrics in French > on it...That was one of the things that I really liked about the first > album and was something that made it even more of an 'enigma' to me, as I > was taking french in high school at the time but when I was listening to > the album I could not quite decipher the french words. > Anyone out there know why Cretu decided to go with all english lyrics on CoC? Perhaps it was part of that Enigma -> Enigma 2 transition. The gregorian chants disappeared, a lot of the flute disappeared, and maybe he felt that the French had to go too..... That's the only possible reason I can think of (unless Sandra got sick of singing in French all the time! 8-]) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 94 13:05:57 CDT From: kcd@romulus.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) Subject: Enigma and America To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU wrote: >This is perhaps not so surprising in the States. Here listeners have little >interest in music not sung in English, and even less interest in music that is >predominantly instrumental. This is not a slam - the difference is a result o>f different lifestyles and views of music. (Can one view music? Well, I don'>t know, I always see music as colors and sounds. I don't suggest you decorat>e your apartment in colors matching "The Voice And The Snake", however - but I >digress . . . ). I guess I have to agree with most of this sentiment although I find it to be a bit of a generalization. I'm American and perhaps I don't particularly fit this stereotype, but I prefer music that is predominantly instrumental. For example I listen to Pat Metheny quite a bit and his music features very few lyrics. >Americans tend to listen to music as background to other activities, and for sh>orter periods, while Europeans are more likely to sit and devote their full att>ention to the listening experience, and for an extended period. I remember Not this American. I like to put on the headphones and listen intently for hours. But I do agree, others tend to like their music in "sound bites". Just a part of our fast paced culture I presume. And just for the record, for the last couple of years I'm finding my interest in American music diminishing. I don't find much of it that is appealing to me anymore. I've been drawn much more towards artists from Europe and Canada. And the different newsgroups and mailing lists have been invaluable as far as getting other peoples opinions and suggestions. Keep them coming! $0.02 worth... Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 94 15:46:58 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: Enigma and America To: ENIGMA Distribution List kcd@romulus.cray.com (Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV}) writes: > >Americans tend to listen to music as background to other activities, and for > > Not this American. I like to put on the headphones and listen intently for > hours. But I do agree, others tend to like their music in "sound bites". > Just a part of our fast paced culture I presume. I am also an American and I don't fit this generalization. I do, however, strongly agree with it. It's increasingly rare to find people who really, really listen to music instead of using it like wallpaper. I adore fully getting into music late at night, alone, with just me and my headphones in the dark. I can seriously enjoy and explore an album's depth this way. Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 16:37:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Hello to everyone! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone, As a new member, I'd like to extend my greetings to all the other Enigma fans. My name is Alex de Dios and I'm 21 yrs. old. I've been an Enigma fan since 1991 where my friend Chris first exposed me to their music. Anyways, I've loved their music ever since and am still looking forward to a third album by them. I currently have their 1990 and Cross of Changes albums as well as the CD maxi-single of Return to Innocence which happens to be my favorite song. As for other artists, I like Sandra and I do have her Into a Secret Land CD from Germany. I also love Sadisfaction by the band Gregorian who to my dismay has not been released here in the U.S. I only have a tape copy of their album and I am DESPERATELY looking for a CD version. I wonder how they were related to Enigma because their music sounds somewhat similar (to the 1990 album that is). Also, some of the writers of the music for Gregorian were the same people who wrote music for Enigma. Well, once again, hello to all you Enigma fans out there!! Also, if anyone has any information on Gregorian's CD, Sadisfaction (I guess it was produced sometime in the mid 1980's) and how I could get hold of it, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!! Thanks!!! Alex de Dios adedios@husc.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:35:02 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: I love you...i'll kill you To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 24, 2:43pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > > Yes, the American version has a male vocal following the "loneliness" line, > > but I don't know if it's the same as what you describe on the Aussie version. > > Certainly I don't recall anything that would be called screeching. Unfortunately > > the CD is at work so I can't check right now. > > Well I may have over-exaggerated a bit! :) The male sings the same line > twice, the second one being much more emotional than the first one.... > > Any UK owners out there have a male vocal on the track? The current edition of the album in Norway also has this extra line. In other words it looks like Cretu made a change to the album after it was initially released, so that all albums pressed, and released no matter where, from that date would include this new line. The difference between the two mixes of 'I Love You ... I'll Kill You' lies not only in this extra male voice; a plucky string sound which originally was played where the male vocal is now, has been removed. This new pressing of the CD has the same catalogue number as the original one, with one exception - the French number is different. What was PM 520 has now become PM 527. However, this change is not reflected in the booklet, which prints the old number. The booklet in turn also is a bit different than the one originally pressed... Notably sample credit for Taiwanese and Mongolian music has been removed. The release story for The CROSS Of Changes isn't a simple one. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 10:52:38 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: I love you...i'll kill you To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > The current edition of the album in Norway also has this extra line. In other > words it looks like Cretu made a change to the album after it was initially > released, so that all albums pressed, and released no matter where, from that > date would include this new line. Ok, so let's get this right: Only the initial European, and US versions of the album have the 'old' version. All others have the 'new' version. Confirmations of this from all countries would be appreciated! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 94 22:40:01 From: matt.sherer@cyberia.com Subject: interesting nu To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > does anyone in the states have the cd single for the eyes of truth? > i can't get it in shitty lewisburg, pa. > -cliff lewisburg? Hah!!!! get out the map. see the little dot in south central pa called york? now look south of that. break out the magnifying glass, and you might pick up a sleepy little town called red lion. i would bet that it is worse. we have a cigar factory. that's it. Matt.Sherer@cyberia.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:32:31 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The CROSS Of Changes looks like becoming one of the really big sellers in Norway; the album has now been out for five months, and has sold 47 000 copies. Usually, the albums in the Top 5 Sales for the year gets 70 000 and up to 150-160 000 for number 1. Just for the record, the previous album MCMXC a.D. produced a sale of 30 000 copies. With the release of the second album, a further 11 000 records have been sold. At the same time, the single Return To Innocence continues to be one of the major songs this spring. In the NRK PeTre Top 30 chart, which is the leading radio chart, it currently is among the top 5, and with a career of 19 consecutive weeks on the chart, it is the oldest song, and it also means that it has been there since it's release. Of these weeks, 2 of them have been at the top spot (a couple of months ago). The sales figure for Return To Innocence is 16 000 copies, something which is awfully good for a single. The Eyes Of Truth has only been out for three weeks, and as such can't show to the same numbers as Return To Innocence. Still, with 1200 copies sold, it looks like becoming a good one. On a recent English chart, I saw it debuting at number 20. It is a bit early to talk about the next single release, but there are things suggesting that it could be Carly's Song, especially since this one was not released in Europe. The rumours say that it might only be a promotional release though. On to a different subject: Do any of you know of the existance of any fan clubs, be they for Enigma, Michael Cretu or for Sandra? I've heard that one existed for Sandra, but it is most probably not active anymore. Joar Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:27:14 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Joar! > It is a bit early to talk about the next single release, but there > are things suggesting that it could be Carly's Song, especially since > this one was not released in Europe. The rumours say that it might > only be a promotional release though. I disagree here..... My bet is that the next single will be "Out From the Deep" and I am quite confident of this..... "Carly's Song" has already technically been released (although only Australians seemed to see it!) and I just don't feel Cretu or the record company would feel comfortable releasing it next due to it being very similar in some ways to "the EYES of Truth"..... I put my $100 on "Out From the Deep!" Gavin "still waiting for "the EYES of Truth" single!" Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 20:13:47 -0500 (EDT) From: hime@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Andrew Hime) Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > It is a bit early to talk about the next single release, but there > > are things suggesting that it could be Carly's Song, especially since > > this one was not released in Europe. The rumours say that it might > > only be a promotional release though. > > I disagree here..... My bet is that the next single will be "Out From the > Deep" and I am quite confident of this..... "Carly's Song" has already > technically been released (although only Australians seemed to see it!) and I > just don't feel Cretu or the record company would feel comfortable releasing it > next due to it being very similar in some ways to "the EYES of Truth"..... I > put my $100 on "Out From the Deep!" Well, nobody but me was paying attention, but over here in the US, they released Carly on single on tape quite some time back, and I got it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 22:15:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Hi! ;) " Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Tue, 10 May 1994, Andrew Hime wrote: > Well, nobody but me was paying attention, but over here in the US, they > released Carly on single on tape quite some time back, and I got it. The 12" single of carly's song was released it had several cool remixes. -Luis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 14:12:06 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > > Well, nobody but me was paying attention, but over here in the US, they > > released Carly on single on tape quite some time back, and I got it. > > The 12" single of carly's song was released it had several cool remixes. > -Luis Actually there was only one different mix. To quote from the discography: CARLY'S SONG (from the motion picture 'Sliver') single [1993] CDS: US (Virgin DPRO-12796) [promo] 3:47 Carly's Song 6:31 Carly's Song [jam & spoon remix] 12": US (Charisma Y-12679) 3:47 Carly's Song [lp version] 4:00 Carly's Song [instrumental] 3:13 Carly's Loneliness [lp version] 6:31 Carly's Song [jam & spoon remix] CDM: Australia (Virgin 8-92062-2) 3:47 Carly's Song 6:31 Carly's Song [jam & spoon remix] 3:11 Carly's Loneliness 4:00 Carly's Song [instrumental] CS: Australia (Virgin 8-92062-4) *END* Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 17:21:20 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: ENIGMA Distribution List On May 11, 10:27am, Gavin Stok wrote: > > It is a bit early to talk about the next single release, but there > > are things suggesting that it could be Carly's Song, especially since > > this one was not released in Europe. The rumours say that it might > > only be a promotional release though. > > I disagree here..... My bet is that the next single will be "Out From the > Deep" and I am quite confident of this..... "Carly's Song" has already > technically been released (although only Australians seemed to see it!) and I > just don't feel Cretu or the record company would feel comfortable releasing it > next due to it being very similar in some ways to "the EYES of Truth"..... I > put my $100 on "Out From the Deep!" This info about Carly's Song was what I heard from Virgin in Norway. I find it likely myself that Out From The Deep will be the next release. > Gavin "still waiting for "the EYES of Truth" single!" Stok The thrills and joys of living in Australia... Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 11:27:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Clifford Edward Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: ENIGMA Distribution List does anyone in the states have the cd single for the eyes of truth? i can't get it in shitty lewisburg, pa. -cliff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 09:04:57 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Interesting numbers from Norway To: ENIGMA Distribution List >does anyone in the states have the cd single for the eyes of truth? > i can't get it in shitty lewisburg, pa. Call "CD Research" in the city of Davis, CA. The area code is 916. I forget the number, but you can call information (916-555-1212) and ask. There's an Australian guy there who is really helpful. I also got Carly's Song from them as well as the Limited Edition MCM...blahblah album. They can ship anywhere. He's also helped me with some other non-Enigma hard-to-find stuff. He'll even call you back when he finally locates what you're looking for. I think he keeps all the requests in a database or something. Don donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 1994 09:10:08 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Subject: It's all in the rhythm . . . To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The first thing that entrances the listener with the first Enigma record is THAT BEAT. It's a sixteenth note shuffle rhythm on an unidentified drum machine. (People should name their drum machines, since they do more work than us starving drummers - after all, Echo and the Bunnymen gave their machine credit in the name of the band). Anyway, about that rhythm. This particular feel was developed, I believe, first by Soul II Soul on their first record (1990?), and used often for funk, rap and soul - for example, Lisa Stansfield. Enigma's rhythm is *almost* exactly the same as the Soul II Soul beat on their first single , right to the drum samples and the hi-hat accents, but still different enough that I believe Cretu must have programmed it himself, rather than sampled. It's an absolutely perfect drum program, so simple and hypnotic, that even after hearing it throughout the entire MCMXC record, one wants to hear it again, and again . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 94 10:31:11 -0400 From: "George Feil" Subject: Laswell (was Re: Material) To: ENIGMA Distribution List Bill Laswell is my favorite bassist. I particularly liked his solo album, "Basslines". This consists of long and very funky instrumental tracks that make very soothing environmental material. He, like Cretu, uses complex drum rhythms on this one, with a touch of background dub. I highly recommend it to Enigma fans. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 16:44:18 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Limited edition CD single of The Eyes Of Truth To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The UK limited edition release of Enigma's latest single has the following properties: Enigma - Eyes of the truth Codes: DINSDX 126 892 432-2 The eyes of the truth, The Goetterdaemmerung mix (140 BPM) Sadness part 1 (Extended trance mix) MEA Culpa part II (Fading shades mix) Principles of lust (Omen mix) The CD is a strange kind of sleeve, it might even fold out (it is sealed). PS: This is the info I got from a friend, I have not seen it for myself yet. Joar Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 May 1994 08:57:43 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Subject: Material To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Somebody mentioned Material on this list . . . Just wanted to put in some information. Material is an avant-garde loosely structured (actually almost completely unstructured) group of musicians under the direction of electric bassist and producer Bill Laswell. The Material name has been in use for several years now, with only a handful of records out, since Laswell is always involved in so many other projects - he's played on and produced the records of everyone from Public Image Limited to Laurie Anderson. The Material records are very adventurous, and cover a broad range of styles. Laswell brings in some of the best musicans from the styles of "world" music, jazz, pop, rap, funk, reggae. The latest album includes the likes of Shankar, Nicky Skopelitis, Zakir Hussein, Wayne Shorter, etc. Some of the music borders on techno/ambient - there's an ambient remix of "Mantra" on the compilation "Excursions in Ambience - the Second Orbit". Mantra, by the way, is probably the most Enigmatized cut. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 17:10:06 GMT From: joarg@gribb.hsr.no (Grimstvedt, Joar 7-96) Subject: MM SPOTLIGHT: May28-03 (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au According to a listing in rec.music.video, there will be a Muchmusic spotlight on Enigma, today actually. For those US members out there, could you tell us what it is, and how it went? Was it just the playing of the Enigma videos (Sadeness, Mea Culpa, Principles Of Lust, The Rivers Of Belief, Return To Innocence and The Eyes Of Truth roughly make up half an hour), or was there more? --- Forwarded message follows --- From: al442@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Derek Tam) Subject: MM SPOTLIGHT: May28-03 Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 18:40:47 GMT Here is your Muchmusic Spotlight listing for this week. Now posted to rec.music.video AND REC.MUSIC.INFO | This posting can be mailed directly to your mailbox. | | Send requests to me at al442@freenet.carleton.ca | | If you didn't receive your mailing this week, let me know. | Comments and suggestions are always welcome. -Derek | Ú***************************************¿ ³ ________ ³ ³ / ____ \ ³ ³ ³ / \ ³ ³ ³ ÉÍÍ͵ ³ MM ³ ÆÍÍÍ» ³ ³ º ³ \____/ ³ º ³ ³ º \________/ º ³ ³ MUCHMUSIC SPOTLIGHT ³ ³ ÍÊÍ FOR: ÍÊÍ ³ ³ MAY 28-JUN 03 1994 ³ ³ at 7:30pm-8:00pm ET/4:30pm-5:00pm PT ³ ³ repeated at 11:30 pm ET & 11:30 am ET ³ Ã***************************************´ ³ SAT MAY 28 Don Henley ³ ³ SUN MAY 29 Enigma ³ ³ MON MAY 30 Red Hot Chili Peppers ³ ³ TUE MAY 31 Lyle Lovett ³ ³ WED JUN 01 Prairie Oyster ³ ³ THU JUN 02 James ³ ³ FRI JUN 03 Lost Dakotas ³ À***************************************Ù | I am not associated in anyway with MuchMusic, CITY-TV, MusiquePlus | | or its affiliated companies. -Derek Tam al442@freenet.carleton.ca | -- "You can't believe in anyone else, So why sit and wait." SOUL ASYLUM Derek Tam al442@freenet.carleton.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 10:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Blooberry Jedi! Subject: MM SPOTLIGHT: May28-03 (fwd) To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Sun, 29 May 1994 joarg@gribb.hsr.no wrote: For those of us not in the know, could some kind soul tell us how=20 and where to find this even if we _are_ in the US? I have only heard of=20 this "Much Music" before, and would be very interested in seeing the=20 Enigma special... Or _is_ it video? Or radio? Cable TV? I have no idea=20 where to start... > According to a listing in rec.music.video, there will be a Muchmusic=20 > spotlight on Enigma, today actually. For those US members out there, coul= d=20 > you tell us what it is, and how it went? Was it just the playing of the > Enigma videos (Sadeness, Mea Culpa, Principles Of Lust, The Rivers Of > Belief, Return To Innocence and The Eyes Of Truth roughly make up half an > hour), or was there more? >=20 >=20 > --- Forwarded message follows --- > From: al442@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Derek Tam) > Subject: MM SPOTLIGHT: May28-03 > Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 18:40:47 GMT >=20 >=20 > Here is your Muchmusic Spotlight listing for this week. > Now posted to rec.music.video AND REC.MUSIC.INFO >=20 > | This posting can be mailed directly to your mailbox. | > | Send requests to me at al442@freenet.carleton.ca | > | If you didn't receive your mailing this week, let me know. > | Comments and suggestions are always welcome. -Derek | = =20 > =20 > =DA***************************************=BF > =B3 ________ =B3 > =B3 / ____ \ =B3 > =B3 =B3 / \ =B3 =B3 > =B3 =C9=CD=CD=CD=B5 =B3 MM =B3 =C6=CD=CD=CD= =BB =B3 > =B3 =BA =B3 \____/ =B3 =BA =B3 > =B3 =BA \________/ =BA =B3 > =B3 MUCHMUSIC SPOTLIGHT =B3 > =B3 =CD=CA=CD FOR: =CD=CA=CD = =B3 > =B3 MAY 28-JUN 03 1994 =B3 > =B3 at 7:30pm-8:00pm ET/4:30pm-5:00pm PT =B3 > =B3 repeated at 11:30 pm ET & 11:30 am ET =B3 > =C3***************************************=B4 > =B3 SAT MAY 28 Don Henley =B3 > =B3 SUN MAY 29 Enigma =B3 > =B3 MON MAY 30 Red Hot Chili Peppers =B3 > =B3 TUE MAY 31 Lyle Lovett =B3 > =B3 WED JUN 01 Prairie Oyster =B3 > =B3 THU JUN 02 James =B3 =20 > =B3 FRI JUN 03 Lost Dakotas =B3 > =C0***************************************=D9 > =20 > | I am not associated in anyway with MuchMusic, CITY-TV, MusiquePlus = | > | or its affiliated companies. -Derek Tam al442@freenet.carleton.ca = | >=20 >=20 > --=20 > "You can't believe in anyone else, > So why sit and wait." SOUL ASYLUM >=20 > Derek Tam al442@freenet.carleton.ca >=20 >=20 Brian Wilson "Those aren't SEX muffins! -Coach the Blooberry Jedi 8-} Those aren't LOVE muffins! wilsobr@flop.engr.orst.edu Those are just BLOOberry muffins!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 10:48:05 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Ingram Subject: News From The UK To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, Just a snippet of news, the latest Peugeot 306 advert in the UK uses the latest (I think) single release from Enigma for its music score, also the latest single is going up the charts, I should be getting the latest album this W/E, so I will at least know which track the ad uses then :-) Bye, Rich. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 94 18:06:16 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: News From The UK To: ENIGMA Distribution List Richard Ingram writes: > Just a snippet of news, the latest Peugeot 306 advert in the UK uses > the latest (I think) single release from Enigma for its music score, > also the latest single is going up the charts, I should be getting > the latest album this W/E, so I will at least know which track the ad uses > then :-) Plus, the preview for ENDLESS SUMMER II use the old cliche ENIGMA single (remember hearing it constanting when 1492: THE CONQUEST OF PARADISE came out?). Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 19:22:14 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Notification of enigma0494.txt.Z To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. Just a note to say that there is now a monthly digest available on yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au which contains all the messages from April. The file is called enigma0494.txt.Z and is avilable from the /listserv/enigma/Enigma/archives directory. For those who are unaware, you must type "uncompress enigma0494.txt.Z" once the file is in your home directory to uncompress it. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 23:30:41 -0500 (EDT) From: hime@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Andrew Hime) Subject: Purchase To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I made a purchase this weekend. The new CD. I was a wee bit disappointed. It didn't fit together as well as the original and it seemed to be an attempt at more widespread popularity. That and they seemed to throw the whole religious thing out the window. I'm sure I'll like it after a few more listens, I do get the theme of this disc though. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 15:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Question about Peterson and Gregorian To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone, I've got a question about Frank Peterson who worked with Michael Cretu on producing MCMXC. Months ago he produced an album with Sarah Brightman called Dive. It is a good album and it contains music that I've heard before from a band called Gregorian (Hmmmmmm.) Anyways, it contains a song called Once in a Lifetime which was exactly the same music by the group Gregorian, except for the different lyrics. Can anyone out there tell me more about this group? Also, why did Peterson break up with Cretu? By the way, the album title was SADISFACTION. It contained some really good music like So Sad (strangely similar to Sadeness but more down beat) and Reflect (short but sweet). The writers were also the same people who took part in producing MCMXC; F. Gregorian, Fairstein, and maybe Curly M.C. (I have to check that..) I've heard that the SADISFACTION CD is out of print, from Germany that is, but I've seen the tape versions out in the Phillipines when I visited, and other nearby Asian countries. I was wondering if anyone has seen this CD around, used or new. Finally the Sarah Brightman CD Dive, also contains the song Johnny Wanna Live. Is it the same song performed by Sandra? Thanks! Alex de Dios adedios@husc.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 18:04:42 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@carina.unm.edu (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Question about Peterson and Gregorian To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > I've got a question about Frank Peterson who worked with Michael Cretu on > producing MCMXC. Months ago he produced an album with Sarah > Brightman called Dive. It is a good album and it contains music that I've > heard before from a band called Gregorian (Hmmmmmm.) Frank Peterson == F. Gregorian. > Finally the Sarah Brightman CD Dive, also contains the song Johnny Wanna > Live. Is it the same song performed by Sandra? Yes. -- Lazlo (lazlo@xmission.com) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finger for info on mailing lists (klf/orb/ztt/exotic-vinyl) and discographies ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 21:38:32 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: REQUEST: B&W Scan of Enigma logo To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all..... I have been amazed at the lack of messages coming from you all. There are over 100 members on this list, yet no-one is speaking. Now that either means that my FAQ has answered your every whim and desire (which I doubt!) or that you're a very quiet bunch...... In the very least I should be hearing that: 1. Return to Innocence has bulletted from #9 to #4 in the US 2. The CROSS of Changes has now peaked at the highest spot of #9 in the US 3. That the EYES of Truth has been released in the UK (or when it is to be released if the rumors are not true) I found out facts #1 and #2 for myself from newsgroups. This is despite around 60-80 of you living in the US..... what's happening?! Anyway, enough of my whining (I've had better days!!!!). I am wondering if any of you out here in Enigma-land would have a scanner and be willing to scan JUST the "Enigma" logo as seen on the first album (with the cross) in black on a white background? This would be used for the typesetted version of the FAQ which I am preparing and plan to distribute to record companies such as Virgin Germany, EMI Australia, and so on. Thanks in advance, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 94 14:05:32 CDT From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: REQUEST: B&W Scan of Enigma logo To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au How about scanning the "monk?" Or, has it already been scanned? Better still, why not have all singles and CDs scanned so a visual record exists for ALL to see, even thou they may not have the actual copy themselves? Just a few cents being tossed in. Alfredo cruz@ollac.ollusa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 19:29:51 -0500 (EDT) From: hime@ponder.csci.unt.edu (Andrew Hime) Subject: REQUEST: B&W Scan of Enigma logo To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, I finally saw the tape single version of "Return to Innocence" in my favorite record store.. dunno about CD either. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 11:14:21 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: REQUEST: B&W Scan of Enigma logoi To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Alfredo. > How about scanning the "monk?" Or, has it already been scanned? Well I am only interested in the logo for the typesetted version of the FAQ. The FAQ appears on the cover of MCMXC a.D. (not the Marquis de Sade though). > Better still, why not have all singles and CDs scanned so a visual record > exists for ALL to see, even thou they may not have the actual > copy themselves? You will notice that all the pictures on yoyo are ONLY of album/book/single covers..... If anyone has the scanner and the time, please don't hesitate to scan the covers not already done. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 20:02:49 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: REQUEST: UK "the EYES of Truth" info. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. Can anyone from the UK please supply me with details about the details of "the EYES of Truth" single details, notably the following: * Cover details * CD details * Formats released * Reference numbers * Track listing (with times) * Anything else I ask this for both the limited edition release (what are the details of the packaging?) and any 'normal' release of it. Thanks! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 18:10:42 -0700 (MST) From: The Silicon Avatar Subject: REQUEST: UK "the EYES of Truth" info. To: Gavin Stok > Can anyone from the UK please supply me with details about the details of "the > EYES of Truth" single details, notably the following: > Well, I'm not from the UK but I *do* have the UK pressing. I'll contribute and be redundant for the sheer hell of it. > * Cover details Your, shall we say, "standard" Enigmaesque theological chart with a human body in the middle with any naughty bits covered by the ENIGMA THE EYES OF TRUTH logo. The disc itself (the background art) looks exactly the same as The Cross of Changes disc - except it's yellow. Not very original. > * CD details Thin jewel case like other singles these days. Insert as described above. > * Formats released I have the CD and have not seen any other formats in my local import shop. > * Reference numbers D: 8 92368 2 UK: DINSD 126 F: PM 515 > * Track listing (with times) Radio Edit 4:36 Album Version 7:27 The Go"tterda"mmerung Mix (The Twilight Of the Gods) (140 BPM) 7:17 Dub Version (140 BPM) 5:34 > * Anything else > > I ask this for both the limited edition release (what are the details of the > packaging?) and any 'normal' release of it. Well, I have the "normal" English release of this single. There is absolutely no difference between it and the German or Dutch releases. I've had all three in my hands (was it Dutch? I forget) and the only thing that changes between all of them is the Manufactured in line. Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Richards | "Against stupidity the very gods paulr@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu | themselves contend in vain." University of Arizona, Tucson | Schiller - "Maid of Orleans" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 May 1994 21:43:31 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Some facts on Ibiza, Spain To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au While channel hopping on TV last night, I came across a travel program which happened to be talking about the island of Ibiza in Spain, which just so happens to be where the Cretu family lives...... Here's some facts about the island: * Tourism accounts for 95% of its economy * It is now one of the richest islands of Spain * It used to be a 'hippie colony' in the 1960s and things such as hippie markets still occur in the 1990s * Ibiza Town (where Cretu has his restaurant) is party-central, with nightclubs, street parties, promenade parties, etc. happening throughout the night. Most parties start late (11pm+) * Fashion is it's second biggest industry with many clothes shops open all night. Clothes, however, are very expensive. * One-fifth of the coastline is taken up by resorts, and environmentalists wish to cease further development (new laws in 1991 started this process) All in all, Ibiza gave me the impression of being the place for the rich to party....... not surprisingly, it seems the Cretu family would fit right in!!! I hope all the above facts are correct, as they are from my memory from around 24 hours ago! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 16:14:26 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: The Enigmatic Led Zeppelin and William Orbit To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here is a message which was intended for the list, but got sent the wrong place. Joar --- Forwarded mail from FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Date: Mon, 02 May 1994 17:22:48 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU To: joarg@hsr.no Subject: The Enigmatic Led Zeppelin and William Orbit Interesting note about the drums of "Return to Innocence" being the same as the beat in "Mea Culpa (Falling Shades)". That sample is actually from Led Zeppelin, "When The Levee Breaks". The thundering sound and overpoweringly heavy feel of John Bonham's playing has been a favorite source of samples for many acts, artistic and otherwise. The first place I heard that particular beat sampled was on the first Beastie Boys record - lovely dinner music, nice to impress the girlfriend's parents, by the way. I've also heard the same sample on several William Orbit "Strange Cargo" tracks, and some of his remixes. William Orbit and Michael Cretu are working in some parallel creative veins, to a level that seems beyond coincidental. I wonder who is influencing whom? Do they know each other? Would they whack each other on the head with their respective samplers if they were to meet in a recording studio? Do they try to sabotage each other's creative efforts by buying all the gregorian chant and world music samplers from each other's local record stores? These questions and many more keep me awake at night. At any rate, about those similarities. William Orbit did the remixes for Justify My Love, that Madonna thing. While despising Madonna, I appreciate her music, since it is not actually her music, but strictly the creation of her producers and studio musicians. Billy O deconstructed her song into something much more funky and creative. The use of backwards drums, and of course all that orgasmic moaning, are reminiscent of Enigma. I believe that "Justify My Love" was released a few months before Enigma's first, however. Hmmm . . . William Orbit's solo records are quite amazing one-man shows, demonstrating impressive musicianship, creativity in layering and texturing sounds, and mastery of many styles of music. Not really a direct Enigma link - however, some of the cuts on his latest ("Strange Cargo III") use Gregorian chant samples. Some techno cuts, some ambient, etc. Also played on and produced some tracks for Peter Gabriel's latest. Also central figure in funk bands Torch Song and Bassomatic. Also lived in same monastery as Cretu. Oh, alright, I lied about that. But it's possible. It could have happened. It should have happened. Oh , alright, I'll stop. --- End of forwarded message from FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:42:31 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: The Enigmatic Led Zeppelin and William Orbit To: ENIGMA Distribution List On May 3, 4:14pm, joarg@hsr.no wrote: [really from FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU, I only forwarded it] > Date: Mon, 02 May 1994 17:22:48 -0500 > From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU > To: joarg@hsr.no > Subject: The Enigmatic Led Zeppelin and William Orbit > > Interesting note about the drums of "Return to Innocence" being the same as > the beat in "Mea Culpa (Falling Shades)". That sample is actually from Led > Zeppelin, "When The Levee Breaks". The thundering sound and overpoweringly > heavy feel of John Bonham's playing has been a favorite source of samples for > many acts, artistic and otherwise. The first place I heard that particular > beat sampled was on the first Beastie Boys record - lovely dinner music, nice > to impress the girlfriend's parents, by the way. This Beastie Boys track is one called 'Rhymin & Stealin', and it does use the same drums. The people here however have added a very annoying scratch sound every other measure, which makes it nearly unlistenable (at least for those who are used to these drums from 'Return To Innocence'!). The other main difference between the two songs are that the Beastie Boys are playing at a lower tempo, which also means lower pitch. Still, there is no trouble seeing that it is the same drums. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 19:34:23 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: The Eyes Of Truth video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Ah, I finally saw this video! It is truly beautiful, even more than that for Return To Innocence. Like the video for The Rivers Of Belief, this one centers on India. Basically the story is about a small boy who, as a baby, is put out in a basket on a river by a girl, which could be his sister. He gets picked up a flock of elephants, and he grows up with them, playing with the elephants and generally being their friend. But then villagers come and set fire to the small forest where the animals live, so they have to escape. On this journey, children and also other elephants join them and they end up in a village where they, or rather the boy, is greeted with confetti and festivity (the big chorus part in the music). Unfortunately they didn't play the video to the end, so I don't know how it ended. The video contains scenes which are awesome, scenes like when the boy is riding on the elephants in the sunset, and when you see him with the snowcovered mountains far, far away in the background. And of the course the final scene when he enters the village. The opening scene is also very impressive (granted, they didn't show it fully from the start either). Joar Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 23:25:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Edmond Jordan Subject: try#2 review" The Retrun... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: >From muej Tue May 10 23:23 CDT 1994 From: Edmond Jordan Message-Id: <199405110423.AA23026@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> Subject: test from myself To: muej (Edmond Jordan) Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 23:23:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 6711 Try #2: I finally finshed this paper for my music class. The teacher gave me 15 from the maximum points of 10!! I guess he saw that I put some hours into it. Thank you everybody from all your contributions. The list of the sources were lost when I converted the document into text. But I like to Thank Joar for his great input and Gavin for the wonderful Enigma FAQ. You have to excuse me if I've forgotton to mention anybody that has contributed to this information. Keep in mind I don't know anything about music, and I welcome any comments you have. Edmond Jordan ------------------------------------------- Return To Innocence Mus 195 Written assignment Dr. John Murphy Edmond Jordan 5-May-94 The Return To Innocence Popular music has taken many twists and turns during the last century. There have been many musical eras that are identified with distinct time periods. Many of these musical eras have produced different styles that reflect the forces of the time period they belong to. The song I have chosen for my musical review is "Return To Innocence" by Enigma from the album "The Cross of Changes". I chose this song because it is one of many new diverse styles that our generation has produced. This song is currently number one in many different countries and at this moment it is number nine in United states. In other words this is a very popular song. Enigma is the creation of Michael Cretu, who has done most of the work in producing "The Cross of Changes". Enigma means mystery in Greek, which was a project started by Michael Cretu in 1990 with the release of his first album "MCMXC A.D.". The first album contained many references to Gregorian chants sang with drum rhythms. There were no real names, of the people involved, or any background mentioned in the album. In an interview published in Norway, Cretu stated that he wanted to make music that he liked and returned to mysticism. He also said that his goal was to break all common promotional rules. His music contained neither verse nor chorus and it was all based on a mood and an atmosphere. Cretu also explained in another interview that he only wanted people to react spontaneously to the music. Also in another article he stated "Contrary to the usual record-company philosophy, people are open-minded and starved for something unique". Return to Innocence 0:00 Main chorus repeated twice 0:18 Synthesizer slide 0:19 Drum beats start, low synthesizer in the background 0:25 "Love...Devotion" -Echoes of verse in different dynamics and stereo channels "Feeling....Emotion" 0:46 Mystical sample slides in "Don't be afraid to be weak" -response: synthesizer pings "Don't be too proud to be strong" -response: synthesizer pings "Just look into your heart my friend" "That will be the return to yourself" "The return to innocence" -Harp sample sliding in 1:08 Main Chorus -4 measures long 1:25 sample slide similar to Harp 1:28 "The return to innocence" "If you want, then start to laugh" "If you must, then start to cry" "Be yourself don't hide" "Just believe in destiny" "Don't care what people say" "Just follow your own way" "Don't give up and use the chance" "To return to innocence" -Harp sample sliding in 1:52 Main Chorus -High part of the chorus overlapping the low part -7 measures long 2:26 Chorus stops, percussion pauses. Low synthesizer remains, with mystical sample and mysterious bird sound sample 2:28 "That's not the beginning of the end" "That's the return to yourself" "The return to innocence" -Low synthesizer slide 2:36 Digitally modified guitar solo -Percussion continues 2:55 Harp sample sliding in 2:58 Main chorus -High part of the chorus overlapping the low part -10 measures long 3:52 Percussion stops. Low synthesizer continues with mystic sample 3:56 "It's the return to innocence" 4:00 Sliding synthesizer chords 4:17 End Michael Cretu is a singer, songwriter, and producer born on May 18, 1957, in Bucharest, Romania. He is Enigma - the man who created the secretive project-who was inspired by Pink Floyd and Art of Noise. He sings the Chorus part in "The return to Innocence" and plays all the instruments. Sandra Cretu, Michael Cretu's wife and a European pop singer, was born on May 18, 1962. She has had many hits in Europe and Asia, and she sings the verse part in "Return to innocence". The beat is the most important element in most Cretu's music. In this case it is an eight beat percussion track. Every measure starts with the bass and the high hat which continues on every beat. There is also a drum beat which fills in with the high hat and about the end of every measure acts as back beat. The percussion track is fairly simple, but it has an addictive simplicity that keeps the listener interested even though it is repeated continuously with the same format. The texture of this song is layered but not distinguishably. The main sounds are clearly stated, but if close attention is paid hidden samples appear. The melody is very flowing from verse to chorus and to the solo instrument. The vocal style of Sandra, singer of the verses, is homogeneous and warm trough out the song with the verses ending with sharp fades. Her sound is very close to the background chords with the least amount of inflections. Her voice is another key element in Cretu's music, which adds to the mysticism and keeps the listener interested. The chorus, sang by Cretu, is a lapp chant which is not sung in any particular language but represents a sequence of vowels. It mimics a traditional foreign language but it literally has no meaning. The form of the song is ABABBCBB, which is basically an alternation between verse and chorus with a short solo part-C. The lyrics are very strong yet consist of simple phrases which blend nicely with the chorus. These types of lyrics are very consistent trough out Cretu's songs, which deal with a lot of realism and less male-female relationships. The over all construction of this song can be summarized in three words, consistent, simple, and melodic. A great care was taken to make sure the melody, beat, lyrics, and the sounds blended well together and they point to the same main idea which is return to innocence. Everything falls on the beat at the right time which lets the listener to grasp the whole song. The simplicity is mainly due to the harmony of the song and the absence of syncopation. It's these elements that are very appealing and keep the listeners returning for more. -------------------------------------- -EJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 May 94 21:21:33 From: matt.sherer@cyberia.com Subject: wanted: detail To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I'm doing a paper on Return to Innocence for my music > class. I > > can really use some detail analysis concerning the beat, texture, > melody, > > harmony, vocal style, form, lyrics, and some background > information about > > Cretu and how he came about making this song. If these things have i take it you are talking about the radio edit. just wanted to make sure, because depending on the mix (i have 4 mixes) the info will be slightly different. Matt.Sherer@cyberia.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 22:21:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Edmond Jordan Subject: wanted: detail To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > > > > I'm doing a paper on Return to Innocence for my music > > class. I > > > can really use some detail analysis concerning the beat, texture, > > melody, > > > harmony, vocal style, form, lyrics, and some background > > information about > > > Cretu and how he came about making this song. If these things have > > i take it you are talking about the radio edit. just wanted to make sure, > because depending on the mix (i have 4 mixes) the info will be slightly > different. > > Matt.Sherer@cyberia.com > > > Yes I was doing my paper on the radio edit. Any input and point of view would be very helpful. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 23:48:00 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Wanted: detail review of Return to Innocence To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Apr 30, 2:18pm, Edmond Jordan wrote: > I'm doing a paper on Return to Innocence for my music class. I > can really use some detail analysis concerning the beat, texture, melody, > harmony, vocal style, form, lyrics, and some background information about > Cretu and how he came about making this song. If these things have been > discussed before can someone please mail me the old news. Any comments > are welcomed. As for the structure of this song, it is perhaps the most traditional Enigma's done. It begins with a runthrough of the main chorus (the lapp chant), before the rhythm starts. Then comes verse, chorus, verse, chorus, a middle part, then chorus, chorus and end. In other words, the traditional song layout. What is unusual about this song compared to others is how exactly the chorus is - there's no lyrics, instead there's a chant which has more music than words. The theme of the song is very much like that for 'The Rivers Of Belief', which is interesting. What also is interesting when we're talking about this song is that the drums and the rhythm used here can also be found on 'Mea Culpa', the Fading Shades version. About the lapp chant: I listened to a radio show today, and apparently they had the man/lapp who did the original joik on the phone last week. He commented on what he felt about this "rip off". Unfortunately I didn't catch this. His name is Mattis Hetta by the way, an artist which is one of the known lapp artists in Norway. You have an interesting subject for your paper, Edmond. Do tell us how you're doing, and maybe you could submit it to the list when you're finished? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. 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