Enigma Digest June 1994 Volume 1 : Issue 6 Today's Topics: Administrivia (2 msgs) ANNOUNCEMENT: Digest mode now available A Question B-Tribe (fwd) Carly Carly's Song CDSingle (3 msgs) CoC booklet Definitive "eyes of Truth" review! (2 msgs) Elder statesmen among Enigma fans Enigma and bonking! (2 msgs) Enigma on Tour (4 msgs) Enigma on Tour -Reply (2 msgs) Eyes of Truth (limited edition cd) (2 msgs) Eyes of Truth (limited edition cd) (fwd) (3 msgs) Greetings! Hello Hello fellow Enigma fans! I'm a new member... Introduction (4 msgs) MCMXC a.D. opinions (2 msgs) my enigma homework My Intro neophyte Newbie (4 msgs) New Member new member... New US Single (2 msgs) Next Enigma Single Next US single! Other bands like Enigma? (5 msgs) presentation (fwd) RELEASE: Australian "the EYES of Truth" REQUEST: Questions for Cretu (6 msgs) Single covers (was: Re: newbie) (2 msgs) Some latest Enigma info. the CROSS of changes (2 msgs) Wanted: 2 singles (4 msgs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 10:57:32 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Administrivia To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. This is my monthly reminder that the FAQ for Enigma can be found in the following newsgroups either now or in the near future (it depends on whether the newsgroup is moderated or not): alt.music.alternative alt.music.progressive alt.music.techno alt.music.world aus.music bit.listserv.allmusic rec.music.cd rec.music.info rec.music.misc rec.music.newage Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 23:33:30 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Administrivia To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello all, The message archive for May is now available at the list FTP site - yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, in directory /listserv/enigma/Enigma/archives. The file name is enigma0594.txt.Z. The current members stats is as follows (this includes both modes of the list): 60 edu US educational domain 32 com US commercial domain 8 ca Canada 7 se Sweden 6 au Australia 6 uk United Kingdom 2 nl Netherlands 2 no Norway 2 org Organisational domain 1 at Austria 1 ch Switzerland 1 de Germany 1 dk Denmark 1 fi Finland 1 hk Hong Kong 1 is Iceland 1 mil US military domain 1 mx Mexico 1 net Net domain 1 nz New Zealand 1 si Slovenia 1 su Russia A total of 138 members, of which 38 are in digest mode Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 18:14:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Lon Seidman Subject: To: enigma mailing list Gavin: Any chance the Michael Cretu will hop on the net and check the mailing list out? To everyone else : How many people are actually involved with Enigma? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 11:07:18 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT: Digest mode now available To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. After many requests and research, Joar and I are proud to announce that this mailing list can now be sent to you once daily!!!!! Yes that's right, there is now a digest mode of this mailing list available as well as the current bounce mode! TO CHANGE TO DIGEST MODE If you wish to change from the current mode (bounce mode) to digest mode, send a message to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with the first line of the body of the message (NOT the subject line) saying "signoff enigma" and the second line of the message saying "subscribe enigma-digest ". For example I would type: "signoff enigma subscribe enigma-digest Gavin Stok" Once you have sent this message, you will be resent an introductory text giving details about the mailing list (once again) and how to change back to this bounce mode should you change your mind in the future. The following should be emphasised: * If you are on the digest mode of this mailing list, still send messages to enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * If there are no messages received over one day, you will not be sent a digest for that day. Well boys and girls, the offer's there if you want to take it! Have fun! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 21:45:36 EDT From: junix!jsavast@sinkhole.unf.edu (Joseph Savastano) Subject: A Question To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have a question about the booklet for "Cross of Changes." In the tape version there are certain whiteline drawings where the black type face lyrics are. It is a little difficult to see this on the tan background. These pictures look pagan??? in origin. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Is there any other info that might shed some light on the subject, i.e. is M.C. a pagan? Just a theoretical question. JOE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 09:25:27 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: B-Tribe (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > To all Enigma fans: Check out B-Tribe (they're a cross between Enigma and Deep > Forest); wailing vocal/flamenco solo guitar world music with a very grooving > track throughout (the title track to _Fiesta Fatal_ was actually a top 10 > dance track in the U.S last year). The album, _Fiesta Fatal_, came out > recently--very interesting and mysterious. > > > Pinto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 14:13:08 +0200 From: UFOPRA22A Subject: Carly To: ENIGMA@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.au ->>From: Gavin Stok ->> 3. Did you ask about the conflict given that "Carly's Song" has ->> released? ->From: Hank@world.std.com ->NO, I will the next time that I speak with him. You mean released in the US or worldwide? My info is about Europe... I suspect that Carly's song was released even before Return to Innocence (after all it was on Sliver s.t., too). Two things make me think so - I remember seeing Carly's Song video on MTV waaay back, in late '93. Second thing is that in the catalog my local CD ordering place got in the beginning of the year there are only two singles listed - Return to Innocence and Carly's Song. I have ordered Carly's Song and hope to get it soon. I can post info about it when I get it if anyone is interested... T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 2:19:07 EDT From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: Carly's Song CDSingle To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) I bought the Carly's Song CDSingle here in the USA (in Philadelphia) at the Tower Records store when it was first released. They had a few of them as I recall. -- Mathias ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 94 1:48:12 EDT From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: Carly's Song CDSingle To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) I want to clarify my earlier post. The CDS that I bought is the Australian import. The point I wanted to make was that it was obtainable in the US. In fact, Tower Records has a 1-800 number. Give them a call, they might still have copies available. Also, today I picked up the sheet music for "Return To Innocence". It's typical, for piano and voice, and not very accurate. -- Mathias ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 19:29:23 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Carly's Song CDSingle To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Jun 11, 1:48am, mathias thallmayer wrote: > Also, today I picked up the sheet music for "Return To Innocence". > It's typical, for piano and voice, and not very accurate. The sheet music? This was interesting! I haven't heard about any sheet music for Enigma, and the only song book I know related to Cretu is one for Sandra and her two first albums. Where did you find it? What was it like, and who published it? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:38:43 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: CoC booklet To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. This is a forwarding of a conversation I've had with a member of the list (Sami Reimavuo): *BEGIN* > About the pictures on Cross of Changes CD-cover; In the beginning > of the FAQ you mentioned the CoC CD-cover illustrations, here is some > speculations of them. On page four there is a medieval starmap, earth in > the middle, sun orbitting earth. around the edges are the twelwe > horoscopic signs, they might have something to do with numerology (I've > read from some magazine that Cretu believes in numerology). The drawings are > from different religions like buddhism (page 5), orthodox (page 9), islam > (page 10) meaning they might just be meant to look good, nothing more. > There is no mention about the designer of those illustrations, if it's > Cretu himself, the drawings might have a meaning, if it's someone else > they propably don't. Hmm.. interesting stuff and I will forward this paragraph to the Enigma mailing list (hope you don't mind).... As for the numerology, well if you look at the CD it's an ancient horoscope so there does seem to be some link.... I never picked up on the religion theme though. Perhaps there is one page for each major religion...... I do doubt Cretu did the drawings though. *END* Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 17:21:18 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: Definitive "eyes of Truth" review! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all, and welcome to my review of "the EYES of Truth" which I picked up today. Here are the Australian details: Reference #: EMI (Virgin) 892436-2 Cover Type: Digipak Cover Description: As for other released (Naked guy with titles over genitals) CD Description: As for other released (Same as cover, but yellow) Digipak Description: Inner cover is picture of "Cross of Changes" cover with "Taken from the album 'The Cross of Changes' Available on CD & Cassette (8392362/4) Back cover is track listing with 140bpm in yellow on black instead of black on yellow as per the rest of the text Opinions: 1. Radio Edit Not much to say except that it sounds weird after being used to the Album Version for so long (which, by the way, is my favourite track on the album). It was nicely mixed in most parts, but this track is clearly best suited as full length. 2. Album Version Masterpiece! (Read my other articles about this track for information) 3. Gotterdammerung Mix WOW!!!!!!!! This one blew me away - it was NOT what I expected. Do not view this track as a mix as such, but more as a new track incorporating the samples. Firstly of course is the beat, then the new guitar riff, new vocal samples, lots of other synthesiser sounds, and an unbelievable mixing of them together. It is truely remarkable and while not totally faithful to the original, a brilliant track in itself - it's that missing track from "the CROSS of Changes" which just wasn't suited for the album! The track uses my favourite part from the Album Version, the bombastic choir, perfectly - adding a real high to the song when it needs be.... and of course the female vocal chant is blended in nicely to add some atmosphere (a nice echo effect is added to it). YOUR ENIGMA COLLECTION WILL NOT BE COMPLETE WITHOUT THIS TRACK - Yes, it is more 'dancey' which may scare some of you, but the brilliant collections of samples and their use is just awesome..... Get it, get it now! [Personal to Joar: Why didn't you react like I did???? I'm surprised!!!!] 4. Dub Version Sort of a radio version of the above, although it focusses more on the new guitar riff and doesn't feature as many samples as the above.... It also has a pounding 'put me in a night club' beat which was a tad of a turn off for me. This one just didn't have the overpowering sound and atmosphere that the above did..... It's amazing what a track without Cretu can do! *grin* Off to listen to track 3 for the 4th time in a row..... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 1994 23:31:13 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Definitive "eyes of Truth" review! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Jun 11, 5:21pm, Mr GP Stok wrote: > Opinions: > > 1. Radio Edit > > Not much to say except that it sounds weird after being used to the Album > Version for so long (which, by the way, is my favourite track on the album). > It was nicely mixed in most parts, but this track is clearly best suited as full > length. Agreed. Incidentally, the version of this track used for the video is 5:30 - including the first 15 seconds which is snake rattle (you know, the scene with the bee keepers... ;) ). > 3. Gotterdammerung Mix > > WOW!!!!!!!! This one blew me away - it was NOT what I expected. Do not view It blew me away too, I think nobody would have expected _this_ kind of remix! > this track as a mix as such, but more as a new track incorporating the samples. > Firstly of course is the beat, then the new guitar riff, new vocal samples, > lots of other synthesiser sounds, and an unbelievable mixing of them together. The guitar samples are especially powerful. > It is truely remarkable and while not totally faithful to the original, a > brilliant track in itself - it's that missing track from "the CROSS of Changes" > which just wasn't suited for the album! The track uses my favourite part from I don't know about this tough, I don't think it would fit with the overall feel of the album. But then again, for the The CROSS Of Changes Limited Edition... (If there will be an edition similar to the MCMXC a.D. Limited Edition.) > [Personal to Joar: Why didn't you react like I did???? I'm surprised!!!!] I did, I was just more modest with words... > 4. Dub Version > > Sort of a radio version of the above, although it focusses more on the new > guitar riff and doesn't feature as many samples as the above.... It also has > a pounding 'put me in a night club' beat which was a tad of a turn off for me. > This one just didn't have the overpowering sound and atmosphere that the above > did..... It's amazing what a track without Cretu can do! *grin* In fact, this five and a half minute version doesn't have any relation to the original mix until we reach the four minute mark, quite odd. > Off to listen to track 3 for the 4th time in a row..... Yep, that is how my first day with this release was too! Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: 10 Jun 94 23:43:33 EDT From: DFO@csi.compuserve.com Subject: Elder statesmen among Enigma fans To: > * Name > Paul Anderson > * Age > 41 . . . > My name is Jim McGill and I am 50. I first heard Enigma a couple of years Wow! And I thought I was one of the oldest guys on the list (37). Nice to see that there are other middle-aged folks who are still musically young and adventurous. Duane Ott dfo@csi.compuserve.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 08:39:43 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: Enigma and bonking! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all. It seems some people like to bonk (have sex) while listening to Enigma! Triple J, Australia's national radio station aimed at the 'youth' market, just had a "Bonking Weekend" where listeners were invited to nominate their favourite song while bonking. They played these songs for quite some days and came up with a Top Ten which ended up like this: 1. Sexual Healing (Marvin Gaye) 2. CARLY'S SONG (ENIGMA) <----- !!! 3. Freak Me (Silk) 4. Bob's Your Uncle (Happy Mondays) 5. Cream (Prince) 6. Riders of the Storm (The Doors) 7. Animal (Pearl Jam) 8. Justify my Love (Madonna) 9. Unfinished Sympathy (Massive Attack) 10.The Great Gig in the Sky (Pink Floyd) Now some of these songs seem a bit strange to me, but each to their own.... Oh, and I was really amazed to see #10 appear 'cos it's one of my all time favourite songs..... Happy bonking!!! Gavin Stok (Enigma mailing list administrator) PS - [Personal to Don Weir: Please contact me privately via email] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 20:23:59 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Enigma and bonking! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Jun 17, 8:39am, Mr GP Stok wrote: > G'day all. It seems some people like to bonk (have sex) while listening to > Enigma! Triple J, Australia's national radio station aimed at the 'youth' > market, just had a "Bonking Weekend" where listeners were invited to nominate > their favourite song while bonking. They played these songs for quite some > days and came up with a Top Ten which ended up like this: > > 1. Sexual Healing (Marvin Gaye) > 2. CARLY'S SONG (ENIGMA) <----- !!! > 3. Freak Me (Silk) > 4. Bob's Your Uncle (Happy Mondays) > 5. Cream (Prince) > 6. Riders of the Storm (The Doors) > 7. Animal (Pearl Jam) > 8. Justify my Love (Madonna) > 9. Unfinished Sympathy (Massive Attack) > 10.The Great Gig in the Sky (Pink Floyd) Some time ago a similar thread was active on Usenet. One of the albums that came up as good love-making music was MCMXC a.D... Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 94 21:03:09 PDT From: JamesG2@eworld.com Subject: Enigma on Tour To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone know if Enigma will ever go on tour? I know that it's tough, being a one man band and all, but others have done it (like Yani for example). I think with a cast of Monks, Yodelers, African Tribes, and sexy female French singers it would be a spectacular show! -James jamesg2@eworld.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 20:00:47 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Enigma on Tour To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > Does anyone know if Enigma will ever go on tour? I know that it's tough, > being a one man band and all, but others have done it (like Yani for > example). I think with a cast of Monks, Yodelers, African Tribes, and sexy > female French singers it would be a spectacular show! It's amazing how many people have come to expect a tour of what is essentially a studio band..... The cold hard fact is that electronic musicians do not make money out of tours.... You only need to look at Jean Michel Jarre's recent attempts at concerts, the amount of loss he's made, and the number of consequent cancellations of concerts. Looking at Vangelis you will find that he performs very rarely, and generally for charity..... Sure Enigma could tour, but there would be a HUGE risk of loss, it would be a damn hard effort to make a live act sound different from the studio equivilant, and the consequential result is likely to be a poorer respect for Enigma. Add to this that Cretu produces heaps of albums these days (Angel, Sandra, Enigma, etc.) and that he doesn't like to leave his home of Ibiza, Spain, and you are essentially living a dream. Think about it! Gavin Stok (Enigma List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 13:16:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Dylan Northrup Subject: Enigma on Tour To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mon, 27 Jun 1994, Gavin Stok wrote: > It's amazing how many people have come to expect a tour of what is > essentially a studio band..... The cold hard fact is that electronic musicians > do not make money out of tours.... You only need to look at Jean Michel Jarre's > recent attempts at concerts, the amount of loss he's made, and the number of > consequent cancellations of concerts. I know this may not be the appropriate forum, but are there any plans for another JMJ concert anywhere? I, myself, would pay upwards of 150$US for tickets to a show. Add to this the price of airfare, and I would be shelling out a lot of money, but I would consider it money well spent. JMJ doesn't just play music, he puts on an event! > Sure Enigma could tour, > but there would be a HUGE risk of loss, it would be a damn hard effort to make > a live act sound different from the studio equivilant, and the consequential > result is likely to be a poorer respect for Enigma. I didn't go to Pink Floyd to hear new versions of teh songs. I went for the show. I would not be going to see Cretu and Co. to hear new versions of the music, I would be going to see the show. If the show was good, I do not see how this would diminish the respect for Enigma. > Add to this that Cretu > produces heaps of albums these days (Angel, Sandra, Enigma, etc.) and that he > doesn't like to leave his home of Ibiza, Spain, and you are essentially living > a dream. These are better (though IMHO not good enough!) reasons for not doing a live show. ***************************************************************************** * Dylan Northrup * I'm not a computer genius * *********************************************** I just play one in the lab * * * KIBO# ******************************* * PGP key available via WWW & e-mail * seven * C++ - language or religion? * ***************************************************************************** GED/S/MU -d+ -p+ c++ l- u++ e*(+) m*@ s+/ !n@ h*(!)@ f !g w(++) t+ b5++ r y+ n#1$pt h++ p++ ----------------------- Random Babylon 5 Quote: ----------------------- "Good ol' Psi Corps. You guys never cease to amaze me! All the moral fiber of Jack the Ripper... What do you do in your spare time? Juggle babies over a fire pit? Oops, there goes another calculated risk!" -- Ivanova (to the Psi Cops), "Mind War" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:55:10 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: Enigma on Tour To: ENIGMA Distribution List Gavin Stok writes: > It's amazing how many people have come to expect a tour of what is > essentially a studio band..... The cold hard fact is that electronic musician > do not make money out of tours.... You only need to look at Jean Michel Jarre > recent attempts at concerts, the amount of loss he's made, and the number of > consequent cancellations of concerts. Looking at Vangelis you will find that > performs very rarely, and generally for charity..... Sure Enigma could tour, > but there would be a HUGE risk of loss, it would be a damn hard effort to mak DEAD CAN DANCE do it. Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 16:53:29 -0500 From: FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU Subject: Enigma on Tour -Reply To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au It would certainly be possible for Enigma to perform effective live shows. Such creative and artistic music lends itself well to visuals; note how powerful the videos from the first record were. The idea would be not to play everything from samplers and sequencers, which would be as boring as a New Order show. Without the drunken antics of Bernard Sumner. Rather, a combination of live and electronic music would be ideal: live drummer on electronic drums, live singers (including small chorus/choir), electric/accoustic bass, electronic keyboards, percussionist, possibly a guitarist. Enigma's music has elements of jazz (middle section of "Principles . . ."; Jazz Mix) and various ethnic musics (Arabic in "Rivers of Belief", Indian in the various flute sections). These areas would be fascinating to explore - the music could be radically rearranged in a live setting, even made somewhat improvisational as opposed to the beautiful, but sterile, perfection of the studio recordings. Possible an additional instrumentalist, something not even present on the records - a sax, or trumpet . . . Visuals could be artfully incorporated - neo-classical or baroque set design, modernized; video screens with abstract moving images . . . It is, however, hard to say what the audience for these live shows would comprise. Though the albums have sold well, Enigma is certainly not arena material. Thankfully . . . Zenon M. Feszczak ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: szwill@dale.ucdavis.edu Subject: Enigma on Tour -Reply To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Tue, 28 Jun 1994 FESZCZAK@EMAIL.CHOP.EDU wrote: > It would certainly be possible for Enigma to perform effective > live shows. Such creative and artistic music lends itself > well to visuals; note how powerful the videos from the first > record were. > The idea would be not to play everything from samplers > and sequencers, which would be as boring as a New Order > show. Without the drunken antics of Bernard Sumner. > Rather, a combination of live and electronic music > would be ideal: live drummer on electronic drums, live > singers (including small chorus/choir), electric/accoustic bass, electronic keyboards, percussionist, possibly > a guitarist. [ommitted...] I think that is a GREAT idea. I also think they could incorporate a Kitaro type of concert. If you haven't seen one, it is surreal. On the recordings, he does EVERYTHING on synthesizers by himself. In concert, he in surrounded by selected keyboards. On a multi-levelled stage, there are many other synth players playing background and counter melodies. There is a live flute and live violin, piped through a MIDI generator which allows really cool stuff to be done with the instruments. At the top of the stage are HUGE Kodo drums. At one time during the performance, the flutist and Kitaro rush up the stage to the drums and began to pound out a rhythmic Japanese drum rhythm. All of the synth players and other musicians chant, as is in the original. The video, and concert, are AWESOME. I think this, with superimposed video background and a multi-media presentation utilizing many video players, could make for one great performance. They CAN do it! Rich-- szwill@dale.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 13:46:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: Eyes of Truth (limited edition cd) To: Enigma Mailing List Ok, here are some details about the Eyes of Truth limited edition cd single. I think the track listing was posted before (maybe), but not a complete description. Enigma - The Eyes Of Truth (limited edition "Singles Collection") [8 92432 2, UK: DINSDX 126, F: PM 515, LC: 3098] 1. The Eyes Of Truth, The Goetterdaemmerung Mix (The Twilight Of The Gods) [140 BPM] : 7.17 2. Sadness Part 1 (Extended Trance Mix) : 5.00 3. MEA Culpa Part II (Fading Shades Mix) : 6.15 4. Principles Of Lust (Omen Mix) : 5.52 Sleeve Design: No jewelbox; _two_ sleeves, one inside the other. The outer sleeve features the same artwork as the regular edition cd single (human body inside various circles with notes in Latin?); furthermore, the outer sleeve is also somewhat transparent and very thin (almost wax-like) paper. The inner sleeve is sturdy cardboard except that it is entirely covered in bright reflective gold. CD Design: an enlargement of the cover art with the disc itself being a dark gold color (not reflective). Some more notes: Yes, it is spelled "Sadness Part 1" (no Roman numeral) and yes it is spelled "MEA Culpa Part II" (with capitalized Mea and with Roman numerals). Don't know why, but that's the way they are. The limited edition "Singles Collection" comes from a sticker found on the front of the outer sleeve. I assume it is in keeping with the previous limited edition singles. The first track is, of course, the same version as the one from the regular edition. Tracks two and three are the same as those found on the regular edition singles of Sadeness and Mea Culpa. I think the last track is on the limited edition MCMXC a.D. (but I'm not positive since I don't have it and I'm not looking in the discography right now :-). I had not heard it before and I quite liked it! Definitely a very cool remix. Unfortunately, the store only had one copy of this cd (though if I found it in Clemson, SC, your local record store should be able to order it). If any more pop up, I'll post it to the list in case anyone wants it. Also, the store has one copy each of the UK cd singles of Sadeness and Mea Culpa. If anyone is interested in these for some reason, just let me know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John N. Underwood junderw@cs.clemson.edu - http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Deck the halls, I'm young again, I'm you again" - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:29:05 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: Eyes of Truth (limited edition cd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi John, and thanks for posting such detailed info about the single (good stuff!) > Sleeve Design: No jewelbox; _two_ sleeves, one inside the other. > The outer sleeve features the same artwork as the regular edition > cd single (human body inside various circles with notes in Latin?); > furthermore, the outer sleeve is also somewhat transparent and very > thin (almost wax-like) paper. The inner sleeve is sturdy cardboard > except that it is entirely covered in bright reflective gold. I'm slightly confused about this sleeve-in-sleeve idea. Are you saying effectively that there was a strong sturdy cover which encompassed the disc and an outer thin sleeve which the stronger one would slide into it (ie - it would be rectangular in design and just high and wide enough for the stronger sleeve to go in)? > CD Design: an enlargement of the cover art with the disc itself being > a dark gold color (not reflective). Which cover art? The anatomy picture? The CoC cover? Is there any art on the inner sleeve or is it just gold? > regular edition singles of Sadeness and Mea Culpa. I think the last track > is on the limited edition MCMXC a.D. (but I'm not positive since I don't > have it and I'm not looking in the discography right now :-). I had not > heard it before and I quite liked it! Definitely a very cool remix. The Omen mix was not on the limited edition MCMXC a.D., but did appear on a few CD singles (but not many). I agree in saying it's a great mix. > Also, the store has one copy each of the UK cd singles of Sadeness and Mea > Culpa. If anyone is interested in these for some reason, just let me know. The normal or limited edition version of Mea Culpa????? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 20:40:24 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: Eyes of Truth (limited edition cd) (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Hello! > > > I'm slightly confused about this sleeve-in-sleeve idea. Are you saying > > effectively that there was a strong sturdy cover which encompassed the disc > > and an outer thin sleeve which the stronger one would slide into it (ie - it > > would be rectangular in design and just high and wide enough for the stronger > sleeve to go in)? > > Is there any art on the inner sleeve or is it just gold? > > The inner sleeve is similar to the cardboard sleeve found on the Carly's > Song cd single except that instead of cover art, it is just colored > reflective gold (front and back). > > The outer sleeve is _just barely_ larger (just enough so for the inner > sleeve to fit inside it). So, it is also essentially square-shaped. It is > so thin that it is somewhat transparent (possibly due in part to the > material). This sleeve features the artwork. > > > > CD Design: an enlargement of the cover art with the disc itself being > > > a dark gold color (not reflective). > > > > Which cover art? The anatomy picture? The CoC cover? > > The artwork is from the outer sleeve, not the Cross of Changes cover. > Since it is enlarged, some of the cover art is cut off. > > > > Also, the store has one copy each of the UK cd singles of Sadeness and Mea > > > Culpa. If anyone is interested in these for some reason, just let me know. > > > > The normal or limited edition version of Mea Culpa????? > > I believe they are the normal releases (otherwise _I_ would buy them :-). > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > John N. Underwood > junderw@cs.clemson.edu - http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Life is a whim of several billion cells to be you for a while. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 23:00:17 -0700 (PDT) From: claudio.utah@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Claudio Tinnirello) Subject: Eyes of Truth (limited edition cd) (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > The inner sleeve is similar to the cardboard sleeve found on the Carly's > > Song cd single except that instead of cover art, it is just colored > > reflective gold (front and back). What?!? There's a CD single of Carly's Song?!? Where is/was it available? I could only find the 12" single in the US. claudio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:37:40 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: Eyes of Truth (limited edition cd) (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Claudio. > > > The inner sleeve is similar to the cardboard sleeve found on the Carly's > > > Song cd single except that instead of cover art, it is just colored > > > reflective gold (front and back). > > What?!? There's a CD single of Carly's Song?!? > Where is/was it available? I could only find the 12" single in the US. Once again have a look at the FAQ!!!! The CD single only appears to have come out in CD single format in Australia. Unfortunately, it recently just became unavailable in Australia too since it's been out here for a good 12 months or so. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 11:21:00 EDT From: Video and Hardcopy Sales Support 10-Jun-1994 1117 -0400 Subject: Greetings! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, I just found out about the Enigma mailing list and figured I'd better do my "homework": * Name Paul Anderson * Age 41 * What is in your Enigma collection Just the two albums. No singles or import CDs of the first album with extra stuff. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I first heard a cut from the first album on radio station WFNX in Boston. That got me hooked. My interest waned a bit until the new album came out. If I wrote Enigma and asked them to customize an album for my own tastes, they couldn't have done a better job! The CROSS of Changes has been my favorite album since its release. And I'm picky! * Other artists you like And Also the Trees, Rupert Hine/Thinkman, In the Nursery, Talk Talk, Gipsy Kings, Skinny Puppy * What course you're doing (if any) I work for Digital Equipment Corporation, supporting all our printer and terminal products. * Any other interesting information you wish to share I'm glad Enigma wasn't a one-shot wonder. I realize they copy and steal and are derivative, but they sure put together a mean album! Long live Enigma! Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 01:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael T. Rutherford" Subject: Hello To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Since I am new to the list I thought that I would introduce myself. I am Michael Rutherford. I am 29. I have the following CDs: MCMXC a.d The Cross of Change I also have Enigma the Videos (Part I). I first heard Enigma when I was in the military stationed in the country of Turkey. MCMXC had just been released and it was getting played in all of the clubs. I like the music of Enigma. "It has a great beat and you can dance to it." I like the music because it is different. It isn't main stream and for me that is appealing. I also like Tori Amos, Sarah McLachlan, REM to name a few. The phase I am going through now is very strong female vocalists. I look forward to learning more about Enigma. All I know about is some of their music. This is the best place to learn more. Michael "1000110 1010101 1000011 1001011" ..when computers cuss. "Boredom is the highest mental state." --Einstein -------------------------------------------------------- Michael T. Rutherford -- mtruth@ecst.csuchico.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 23:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Lon Seidman Subject: Hello fellow Enigma fans! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello there! My name is Lon Seidman, and I've just signed on to this mailing list. I'm seventeen (almost 18), and live in Westbrook, Connecticut. I'll be attending the University of Hartford in the fall. I have a very limited Enigma collection, which is just their two albums, MCMXC a.D, and their new one "The Cross of Changes." I love their music, and I'm wondering if there are any other CD's which I don't know about. I first heard of Enigma from a friend of mine. His brother had borrowed MCMXC a.D from a friend, and we were listening to it in the car one day. Right after I heard it, I went out and bought the CD. I'm not a "total" fan (meaning I don't own any t-shirts :) ), but I do enjoy their music, and will buy their new work the second it's released. Enigma is finally getting some popular radio time. Here in Connecticut, all of the stations are playing "return to innocence." It's probably the first time a rock/newage fusion is being played anywhere (other than New Age stations of course! :) ) As for other artists that I am interested in, I like Yanni, Andreas Vollenweider, and contemporary jazz. I have a wide musical taste, so it's hard to name everyone in one introductory message! :). I'm hoping to get to know everyone, and perhaps we can meet on the IRC sometime to chat. Hope to hear from everyone soon! lon@pnet.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 16:38:29 EDT From: Spiros Liolis Subject: I'm a new member... To: Enigma Discussion List Hello there. I just found out about this list. And I got in here as soon as I could. Well, some things about me. My name is Spiros Liolis, and I'm Greek. I'm studying engr. management at the Univ. of Tennessee (USA). Doing my master's. Well, I was introduced to Michael Cretu in 1985 when he came out with the song SAMURAI (which is not included in the FAQ (-; ). This song became very popular in Europe. Everysince I have bought all of his work. And of course Sandras work. Beginning with Arabesque. I have (I beleive) all albums of Enigma and singles, and DEFINATELY all Sandra's and Cretu's Maxi Singles. I happened to meet (well actually see) both of them in Athens, in 1986 when they came in for a concert. Sandra is extremely beautiful. Believe me guys. I've seen her. Of course I did not speak to them, because they were surrounded from many 9I mean many) fans. Other artists that I like are: Vangelis (exceptionally), B-Tribe, Depeche Mode and few others. Well enough for today. Spiros ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:45:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Introduction To: 7th Ragged Tiger On Thu, 2 Jun 1994, 7th Ragged Tiger wrote: > Hello fellow Enigma fans, > > Thanks to Gavin for adding me to the list. I didn't even know it existed > till I read the rec.music.misc newsgroup in search of a posting about Seal's > new CD a couple of days ago. Anyhow, I am a huge Duran Duran fam and Seal, > of course. And naturally, I go crazy for Enigma and Sandra. > > I first heard Enigma in 1990 around late August at Heathrow airport on my > way back to the States (I was visiting home in Zambia). The shopkeeper kept > playing "Sadeness" and I bought the tape. I got to Rochester, and 6 months > later got the CD coz the tape wore off, and MCMXC AD finally got released > here. Since then, I got "The CROSS of Changes." As far as rareities go, > the only song I have that no-one around me seems to know about is a copy of > the Italian single "So Sad." I copied it from a friend of mine who sopied > it from her own cassingle before it got eaten by a tape player. > > Anyway, that's all I know. I haven't read the FAQ yet, but if it is not in > there, "where can I get a copy of "So Sad?" on CD" > > Thanks, > > Seemant > > > Welcome aboard! That's interesting about the "So Sad" piece because I believe I have the same one. It isn't by ENIGMA, it's by a group called Gregorian, who by the way has F. Gregorian (Frank Peterson) as the songwriter for that group. I happen to have a tape version of the album by Gregorian and it has "So Sad" as well as other good songs like "Once in a Lifetime" and "Reflect". I've been trying to get hold of this CD in the US, but it never got over here. The tape version I have was from the Philippines. I'm still trying to get hold of the CD, so if you or anyone else who reads this knows where I can find this, PLEASE LET ME KNOW! Alex de Dios adedios@husc.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 1994 13:04:05 -0400 (EDT) From: 7th Ragged Tiger Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) Hello fellow Enigma fans, Thanks to Gavin for adding me to the list. I didn't even know it existed till I read the rec.music.misc newsgroup in search of a posting about Seal's new CD a couple of days ago. Anyhow, I am a huge Duran Duran fam and Seal, of course. And naturally, I go crazy for Enigma and Sandra. I first heard Enigma in 1990 around late August at Heathrow airport on my way back to the States (I was visiting home in Zambia). The shopkeeper kept playing "Sadeness" and I bought the tape. I got to Rochester, and 6 months later got the CD coz the tape wore off, and MCMXC AD finally got released here. Since then, I got "The CROSS of Changes." As far as rareities go, the only song I have that no-one around me seems to know about is a copy of the Italian single "So Sad." I copied it from a friend of mine who sopied it from her own cassingle before it got eaten by a tape player. Anyway, that's all I know. I haven't read the FAQ yet, but if it is not in there, "where can I get a copy of "So Sad?" on CD" Thanks, Seemant ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 18:40:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Luis Carlos Martinez Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Name Luis Martinez Age 24 Enigma Collection Enigma 1, Enigma 2:albums; sadness, Mea culpa, return to innocence : cds; an Enigma Medley by Razormaid! and thats it. Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I first heard Sadness in LA when I was visiting a friend since the station was staticky I thought it was one of those "alternative" a la G.T.O. groups. To my pleasant surprise I found out later that this song was getting lots of airplay, which I thought was cool! And since then I have gotten what I think is interesting. Related to Enigma I like Sandra, that Europop has a certain "soulfulness" that many other artists missed (not as in soul music but as in a sweet innocence manner of expression) Thats it, hope you guys aren't bored. :) Other artists you like Sandra, Bjork, Sinead O'Connor, Datura, Pleasure Games. lesLes Rita Mitsouko B-Tribe, Jam + Spoon, and others that I can't remember at the moment. What course you're doing (if any) This summer i will obtain a BS in Engineering and a BS in Spanish Literature Thats it. Excuse any misspellings. Later ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:50:56 GMT-1100 From: Nelson da Fonte Subject: INTRODUCTION To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! Well, I've just joined the mailing list and have decided to do the homework set out in the welcome file. So, here goes:: My name's Nelson da Fonte and I'm 18 years old. I'm currently doing first year Engineering course here at Monash probably branching off to civil - though I'm not sure yet. I first heard Enigma when Sadeness came out and was hooked on them for a while and then forgot about them. Then, recently when I heard Return To Innocence, I got re-hooked on them and have collected anything I can find on them. My collection consists of: Mea Culpa Part II CD Single Principles Of Lust CD Single Return To Innocence CD Single The Eyes Of Truth CD Single Both albums. My other favourite artists include Madonna, Paula Abdul, Roxette, Michael Jackson and others. I also collect on Madonna and Paula Abdul. Well, I guess that's it for now. See ya!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 17:00:04 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: MCMXC a.D. opinions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > Funny. The FAQ explination for MCMXC a.D. is good, but as a former "meditator" > in both Zen and other martial art forms, I'd like to give my own opinion on > how I see the album...if you want to post this to the list, feel free, or even > add it to the FAQ (w/due credit, natch!) > > When "zoning" (I don't like the word meditate) with Engima in the background, > I see it as a spiritual trip. "Sadeness" brings you into the world of both > sexual connotations and lust, but also relaxes you for the rest of the album > by placing you into a mental trance of sorts. You are then at peace... > > On Side 2, I usually become uneasy at the "heaviness" of the beat, and the tone > of the chimes also adds to the "dread". The spiritual traveller (you) then > descend into the Revelation/Evil/Damnation with "Knocking on Forbidden Doors". > I find that track particularly disturbing after being in this pacific and quite > euphoric state for the past 30-40 minutes. Finally, with the "Rivers of Belief" > you begin the intense part of the "trip". The long lead-in picks you up and > carries you into what I call "harmony" or "redemption". The first few lines, > especially the high break into the lyrics, is your "return to state"...and at > the song's end, you realize that you are not only relaxed and comfortable, but > have also been renewed with an "internal energy" or "spirit" that you have > rekindled throughout the experience. > > No, I am not a drugie, or someone who is "punkish". In fact, I'm US Military. > These observations come from somone who has a highly focused, disciplined mind, > and who enjoys this kind of music. And, on a different note, even listening to > MCMXC a.D. regularly (not in a dark room lying down, etc.) subliminally eases > your mind and relaxes you. > > As for CROSS, I can't say just yet... > > I hope you like this story... > > > Richard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- "Lead, Follow, Or Get Out of The Way!" -- GEN Douglas Macarthur > | 1LT | *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* > | CAP | System Developer for the Washington College of Law and NMIA > | GTL | *+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* > | EMT | PGP Signature: FC 9A 2C EE 08 47 E4 5E EA 66 29 EB C4 AC 64 A0 > ----- ================================================================ > Finger Account For Other Information GO HARD OR GO HOME! > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jun 94 12:07:48 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: MCMXC a.D. opinions To: ENIGMA Distribution List Mr GP Stok writes: > > When "zoning" (I don't like the word meditate) with Engima in the backgroun > > I see it as a spiritual trip. "Sadeness" brings you into the world of both > > sexual connotations and lust, but also relaxes you for the rest of the albu > > by placing you into a mental trance of sorts. You are then at peace... > > > > No, I am not a drugie, or someone who is "punkish". In fact, I'm US Militar > > These observations come from somone who has a highly focused, disciplined m > > and who enjoys this kind of music. And, on a different note, even listening > > MCMXC a.D. regularly (not in a dark room lying down, etc.) subliminally eas > > your mind and relaxes you. It is always fantastic to hear that there are still people out there that can really enjoy music and take the time to understand it. I'm sick of people using music like wallpaper. Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:07:26 -0500 From: asantos1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Tonet Santos) Subject: my enigma homework To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au i'm about as green as they come. here's my story.... * Name tonet santos * Age 21 * What is in your Enigma collection i wouldn't call it a collection. all i have is the return to innocence single. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are i heard a friend of mine playing sadeness part I my first year of college (fall 1991), and i thought it kicked ass. how much of a fan am i? this much (hands spread about 3 feet apart). * Other artists you like erasure, new order, pet shop boys, OMD, bad boys blue. (i'm a synthpop fan). * What course you're doing (if any) course? you mean school courses? if that is what you mean then i'm in between my junior and senior years here at swarthmore college in pennsylvania majoring in engineering. * Any other interesting information you wish to share i'm not a totally rookie when it comes to enigma - i just haven't bought any of their stuff. i have MCMXC a.D. and the CROSS of changes on tape. return to innocence, however, is THE song. i get nostalgic everytime i hear (play) it. ______________________________________________________________________________ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jun 1994 02:45:11 +1000 From: jmcgill@dawsoncollege.qc.ca (Jim McGill) Subject: My Intro To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello All, as a new member here is my contribution My name is Jim McGill and I am 50. I first heard Enigma a couple of years ago and only vaguely recall the heavy breathing in Principles of Lust..I wasn't impressed. Then, last winter while skiing in Colorado I heard the entire MCMXC CD and was totally blown away. I own the MCMXC and Cross of Changes CDs. I also have tape of a couple of other versions from Hearts of Space or Echoes. Among my other favorite music is 'good' newage or ambient music and Pat Metheny, Patrick O'Hearn, Loreena McKennitt (not the Yanni dreck ;-)) I'm really just starting to explore this area of music and I'm looking forward to other exciting discoveries. Jim McGill | (514) 931-8731 Dawson College | (514) 931-5181 Fax 3040 Sherbrooke St. W | jmcgill@dawsoncollege.qc.ca Westmount, QU. H3Z 1A4 | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 08:53:15 +0100 From: Erzulie Subject: neophyte To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, As a new addition to this mailing list, here is my bio-information. *Name* Erzulie *Age* 20 (21, June 23) *Enigma Collection* only consists of "MCM...", soon to add "Return to Innocence" (once they stop playing it so much on MTV) *Other Artists I like* I like everthing except country/western, but this isn't the forum to discuss that. Some of my favorites are (Enigma included, of course): 808 State, Deep Forest, Zap Mama, Fishbone, 247 Spyz, Skankin' Pickle, Lycia, Sisters of Mercy, Mr. Bungle, Bjork, Tribe Called Quest, Primus, Concrete Blonde, Pantera, Thrill Kill Cult, Revolting Cocks, many local artists, ... it just depends on what kind of mood I'm in. *Course* Hmmm... if this means as far as school, I'm kind of a second semester junior majoring in chemical engineering. *Other Interesting Information* Well, I could fill a book about what I find interesting, but for now I'll list only two items...African Dance and Felines. I perform in an African dance troupe and I have a lovely Russian-Blue Cornish Rex named Atilla. -Erzulie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 19:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: claudio@x.co.uk (Claudio Tinnirello) Subject: newbie To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I understand that people new to this list should provide answers to the following questions, so here goes (i'll keep it short n' sweet) - * Name Claudio * Age * What is in your Enigma collection Just about everything except "Principles Of Lust" and "Rivers Of Belief" singles. Let me know if you see them anywhere! * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I'm actually a Sandra fan and picked up Enigma when they started as a Sandra/M Cretu spin-off! * Other artists you like Adam Ant, Army Of Lovers, Claudia Brucken, Carter USM, Dead Or Alive, DM, ELO, Falco, Gene Loves Jezebel, Horse, Inga, Nine Inch Nails, One Dove, Prince, Sandra, Transvision Vamp, When In Rome, We've Got A Fuzzbox And We're Gonna Use It, and assorted others... * What course you're doing (if any) None. * Any other interesting information you wish to share If you want to buy MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition", then head off to England. You can find it on sale for #9.99 at "Our Price Music" right now. It's the best price i've seen for it and there's tons of them on the shelves. Don't email me to get you a copy as i'm no longer in the UK. Sorry! claudio "There is more to life than reality" Sandra - (Life May Be) A Big Insanity ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Jun 94 17:08:13 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: newbie To: ENIGMA Distribution List claudio@x.co.uk (Claudio Tinnirello) writes: > * What is in your Enigma collection > Just about everything except "Principles Of Lust" and "Rivers > Of Belief" singles. Let me know if you see them anywhere! What do they look like? > * Other artists you like > Adam Ant, Army Of Lovers, Claudia Brucken, Carter USM, > Dead Or Alive, DM, ELO, Falco, Gene Loves Jezebel, Horse, Inga, > Nine Inch Nails, One Dove, Prince, Sandra, Transvision Vamp, > When In Rome, We've Got A Fuzzbox And We're Gonna Use It, > and assorted others... Another CARTER fan! You are even *more* welcome here. 8) Coincidentally, I just got a letter from Fruitbat about an hour ago. Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 8:42:56 EET From: ardo@eb.ele.tue.nl (Ardo van Rangelrooij) Subject: newbie To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, As being a new member to this list I would like to introduce myself. I am Ardo van Rangelooij, 28 years, and currently finishing the postgraduate technological designer course "Communication and Information Technology" at the Eindhoven University of Technology in Eindhoven, The Netherlands. My Enigma collection consists of the following CDs: - MCMXC a.D., both normal and limited edition - Cross of Changes and the following MaxiCDs: - Sadeness - Mea Culpa - Principles of Lust - The Rivers of Belief - Return to Innocence - The Eyes of Truth I first heard Enigma on the radio back in 1990. Since then I've bought every CD and MaxiCD I could lay my hands on. Concerning my other musical interest, I like almost any kind of music except jazz, but I'm mainly interested in electronic music: Tangerine Dream, Chris Franke, Jean-Michel Jarre, Vangelis, Kitaro, Peru, Ron Boots, Eric van der Heijden, Software, Robert Fox, Ian Boddy, Pegasus, Frank Quasar, etc. I also checked the discography and found out that the MaxiCD I have of "Principles of Lust" is not listed in it. Here follow the details: CDM (Virgin 664 391 DINSD 110 - PM 515) 3:27 Principles of Lust [radio edit] 5:10 Principles of Lust [everlasting lust mix] 4:32 Principles of Lust [album version] 3:08 Principles of Lust [jazz mix] That's all for now. Ardo -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ardo van Rangelrooij | Eindhoven University of Technology research assistant/ | Department of Electrical Engineering postgraduate student | Digital Information Systems Group Email: ardo@eb.ele.tue.nl | EH 11.27 Phone: +31 40 47 33 94 | P.O. Box 513 Fax : +31 40 43 30 66 | NL-5600 MB Eindhoven +31 40 44 83 75 | The Netherlands -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jun 94 17:17:55 EST From: dpeterso@doc.helios.nd.edu (donald peterson) Subject: Newbie To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello All, I'm a new subscriber (blah blah blah) and here's the obligatory intro. Name: Donald A. Peterson Age: 23 Collection(Enigma): Just the two "regular" albums. I really don't know when or where I first heard them, I think a DJ friend of mine played MCM...one night while we shot pool but alas, the memory fails. My other musical interests include Jazz (both Contemp. and Big Band), rock, new age, classical, modern country. I don't care for rap or top-40 much. My favorite artists are RUSH, YES, The Rippingtons, Enya, and Peter White. Currently I am a graduate student at Notre Dame pursuing my Ph.D. in physics. MCM...has gotten me through _several_ long nights of work :) Looking forward to some good discussions :) -Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 21:38:06 EDT From: junix!jsavast@sinkhole.unf.edu (Joseph Savastano) Subject: New Member To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au As I am a New member, here is some bio- info. Name: Joseph Savastano (A.K.A. Major Malfunktion) Age: XIX Enigma Collection: Both CD's ( MCMXC a.D. and Cross of Changes ). They are the american versions though. Enigma Fan Status: I fist heard of the group back in 1991 when "Sadness I" was getting a lot of airplay. I like the somewhat ambient nature of their music. The Cross of Changes is very good, It has a great music, but MCMXC a.D. is far better musically. Other Musical Intrests: Talking Heads and David Byrne (solo) Tom Tom Club Art of Noise Tribe Called Quest Thomas Dolby Bernie Worrel The KLF (A.K.A. Timelords, The JAMS, The Justified ancients of MuMu, Space, K foundation, etc..) and don't forget..... Techmaster P.E.B. ( They did Bass Computer and It came from outer Bass). Academic Pursuits: I am a Physics/Chemistry Major at Jacksonville University. Jacksonville is in sunny Florida in the middle of the Bible Belt. There is little musical diversity here. I am also interested in electronic music. I am currently taking a summer course in that field. I hope to see you all around in Net Land. JOE. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jun 94 07:04:33 ADT From: LAUTARD E Subject: new member... To: Hi, my name is Tuhin Pal and i am from canada. I own both Cd's by enigma plus the cassettes single of mea culpa and the cd single for return to innocence. I am looking for more , but it's hard to find in some cities.I'm 26 and enjoy all sorts of music(except country). Hope to talk to some of you fine people soon. tuhin pal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 11:15:46 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: New US Single To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all. Some questions concerning the new single (these are mostly aimed at Hank): 1. Where did you get this information from? 2. Did you find out what tracks/mixes will be on the single? 3. Did you ask about the conflict given that "Carly's Song" has already been released? 4. It seems strange that you weren't given a release date given that it is just about to be released (they know the date weeks in advance at record companies). Perhaps the answer to question 1 will resolve this though. Enquiring minds need to know! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 1994 00:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank@world.std.com Subject: New US Single To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > G'day all. Some questions concerning the new single (these are mostly aimed at > Hank): > > 1. Where did you get this information from? My Virgin representative. > 2. Did you find out what tracks/mixes will be on the single? This information is not available yet. I will post as soon as I find out. > 3. Did you ask about the conflict given that "Carly's Song" has already been > released? NO, I will the next time that I speak with him. > 4. It seems strange that you weren't given a release date given that it is > just about to be released (they know the date weeks in advance at record > companies). Perhaps the answer to question 1 will resolve this though. We are talking about the US, things just don't work that smooth. The word "Tentative" is used alot in this country. > > Enquiring minds need to know! > I will supply with all the information that I receive the minute that I get it. If I seem vague it is because that is the way the information is given to me. Take Care, ....Hank -- |-----------------------------------------------------------------| |thisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisaw| |asteofspacethisawasteof Hank@world.std.com spacethisisawasteofspa| |cethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisis| |-----------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 94 14:12:58 PDT From: JamesG2@eworld.com Subject: Next Enigma Single To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Anyone know what the next Enigma single will be, and when it will be released? I sure hope it's "Out From The Deep"! -James jamesg2@eworld.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 13:55:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank@world.std.com Subject: Next US single! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > 2. [bad news] > It appears that "Carly's Song" is no longer available in Australia. Upon > ordering I am told that it is "not available yet" which perhaps means that > "Age of Innocence (Carly's Song)" will be released in the future, although > this is a debatable point! Hello All, Hank reporting from Boston, MA. The next US single will be "Age of Innocence" One of my personal favorites I might add! There has not been a release date announced yet but they tell me sometime in the first part of July. Thats all for now, take care. ...Hank -- |-----------------------------------------------------------------| |thisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisaw| |asteofspacethisawasteof Hank@world.std.com spacethisisawasteofspa| |cethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisis| |-----------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jun 94 21:36:15 EDT From: shard@MIT.EDU Subject: Other bands like Enigma? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au People mention other bands which are supposed to be similar to Enigma in style, such as Deep Forest and B-Tribe. What others? Also, I know nothing about these groups.. could anyone who is very familiar with a Enigma-like group post a description of what the group is like? And maybe suggest the group's "best" album that they would recommend people try? Thanks, Upendra p.s. I don't want to have people start flaming me (though I wouldn't mind a discussion), but does anyone else think that the first track if MCMXCa.D., the Voice of Enigma, is a bit trite? Not the sound, but the words themselves. I'd skip it if I could, but then I'd miss the chanting at the end of the track, which leads into Sadeness. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 21:22:19 +1000 From: jmcgill@dawsoncollege.qc.ca (Jim McGill) Subject: Other bands like Enigma? To: ENIGMA Distribution List > but does anyone else think that the first track if >MCMXCa.D., the Voice of Enigma, is a bit trite? Not the sound, but the >words themselves. I tend to agree, I really enjoy the music and would be more likely to share it with others were it not for that. Same thing on Cross of Changes.. "We come out of the deep...." Then again, maybe I'm missing the point. Jim McGill | (514) 931-8731 Dawson College | (514) 931-5181 Fax 3040 Sherbrooke St. W | jmcgill@dawsoncollege.qc.ca Westmount, QU. H3Z 1A4 | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 94 08:01:42 EDT From: turnquis@csid.gmeds.com (Gary Turnquist) Subject: Other bands like Enigma? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Group: I thought the CD Mood Food by Mood Swings (or is it Mood Swings by Mood Food?) was similiar, but not the same. Gary T ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary E. Turnquist EDS Corporation turnquis@csid.gmeds.com 750 Tower Drive (313)265 0544 Mail Stop 3349 Troy, MI 48098 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Be what you would seem to be' -- or, if you'd like it put more simply -- `Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 18:14:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Lon Seidman Subject: Other bands like Enigma? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Tue, 21 Jun 1994, Jim McGill wrote: > I tend to agree, I really enjoy the music and would be more likely to share > it with others were it not for that. Same thing on Cross of Changes.. "We > come > out of the deep...." Then again, maybe I'm missing the point. > I agree with you in regards to the first CD. However, the opening statement on "The Cross of Changes" fits a bit better. It at least has a message that is repeated throughout the CD. I'd say Enigma is trying to relay a message to people, about how we are all behaving. It's needed now more than ever, and I'm hoping other popular groups will follow the same path. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 09:22:07 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: Other bands like Enigma? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > People mention other bands which are supposed to be similar to Enigma > in style, such as Deep Forest and B-Tribe. What others? Also, I know > nothing about these groups.. could anyone who is very familiar with a > Enigma-like group post a description of what the group is like? And > maybe suggest the group's "best" album that they would recommend > people try? You will find a brief overview of bands who sound like Enigma in the FAQ (details of how to obtain the FAQ were given in your introductory message when you subscribed). It does not give full detail into the bands though. > p.s. I don't want to have people start flaming me (though I wouldn't > mind a discussion), but does anyone else think that the first track if > MCMXCa.D., the Voice of Enigma, is a bit trite? Not the sound, but the > words themselves. I'd skip it if I could, but then I'd miss the > chanting at the end of the track, which leads into Sadeness. I think the words are really good, except she keeps saying "good evening" even when it's the morning! :) But now that I have the limited edition version of the CD, at least I can't abuse her about saying a 40 minute CD goes for an hour! In seriousness though, those words at the start of the CD appear in many reviews of the CD, and reviewers often use it to sum up the whole atmosphere of the CD. I personally can't see how I would use MCMXC a.D. to relax (I have other more suitable music to do that) but others do and find that those words are just perfect to describe the mood and atmosphere that's needed. Each to his/her own I guess..... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:27:54 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: presentation (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > My name is Magnus Hansemark and i'm 20 in August. > My collection contains > the first CD ( i dont remember then name), Cross of Changes (CD) and > Return to Innocence (CD-single). I heard them when i was in Germany for a few years ago. > I like the most music, but those i listen to now are Front 242, Die Krupps and > various dance artists. > I'm reading computerscience on University of Karlskrona/Ronneby in Ronneby, > Sweden. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:20:52 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: RELEASE: Australian "the EYES of Truth" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to all. I have some good news and some bad news: 1. [good news] "the EYES of Truth" was released this week in Australia. As for "Return to Innocence" it is available in the Digipak format which seems unique to other countries. While I have not seen it yet, I believe it has the same track listing as for the "normal" CD single in other countries. 2. [bad news] It appears that "Carly's Song" is no longer available in Australia. Upon ordering I am told that it is "not available yet" which perhaps means that "Age of Innocence (Carly's Song)" will be released in the future, although this is a debatable point! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 20:05:34 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: REQUEST: Questions for Cretu To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all.... I will soon be writing to Michael Cretu. In this letter I will be explaining about the existence of this mailing list and other relevant information. As part of the letter, I would like to advise him about some questions which the FAQ has never been able to answer, or has only answered in an ambiguous way in hope of him clearing some things up.... So my question to you all is this: If you could ask Michael Cretu any ONE question, what would it be? Start thinking boys and girls, and reply! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:55:16 +0500 From: jhbenoit@mtgzfs3.mt.att.com (Jacques H Benoit +1 908 957 3645) Subject: REQUEST: Questions for Cretu To: ENIGMA Distribution List Gavin: My one question would be "what are the latin lyrics in Sadeness?" -Jacques H Benoit {att!}{attmail!}mtgbcs!jhbenoit jhbenoit@mtgbcs.att.com AT&T MT 2C-525 jacques.h.benoit@att.com 200 Laurel Avenue S. Voice 002-1 908 957-3645/4929 Middletown, NJ 07748 Fax 002-1 908 957-4442/7710 Mon Jun 27 1994 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 14:30:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: REQUEST: Questions for Cretu To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi, My question for Micheal Cretu is: With the Enigma Project, did he get his idea from working with Frank Peterson (a.k.a F. Gregorian)? Did he participate in the production of the band Gregorian with Peterson? The group Gregorian has one song called "So Sad" that is similar in style with Enigma's "Sadeness". Well that's my one question (Two parts :) Hope Curly M.C. can answer it! -Alex de Dios adedios@husc.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:45:17 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: REQUEST: Questions for Cretu To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > the band Gregorian with Peterson? The group Gregorian has one song called > "So Sad" that is similar in style with Enigma's "Sadeness". Out of interest, have you heard "No Taboo" from Sandra's "Close to Seven" album, and is it close in any way to this track? (For those unaware, "No Taboo" sounds VERY close to the Violent US Remix of "Sadeness"). Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:03:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: REQUEST: Questions for Cretu To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > the band Gregorian with Peterson? The group Gregorian has one song called > > "So Sad" that is similar in style with Enigma's "Sadeness". > > Out of interest, have you heard "No Taboo" from Sandra's "Close to Seven" > album, and is it close in any way to this track? > > (For those unaware, "No Taboo" sounds VERY close to the Violent US Remix of > "Sadeness"). > > Gavin Stok > (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) > > gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Actually, I haven't heard that song. I probably should get the album. I have her "Secretland" album and I like it a lot. I haven't heard the Violent US remix of "Sadeness" either. "So Sad" is actually more mellow than "Sadeness", but the familiar sound of the Gregorian chant is there. -Alex de Dios adedios@husc.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:56:02 PDT From: dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) Subject: REQUEST: Questions for Cretu To: ENIGMA Distribution List Gavin Stok writes: > If you could ask Michael Cretu any ONE question, what would it be? I'm still confused with all of the conflicting facts. What religion (if any) does Michael Cretu feel he follows? Dean -- dino@spectrx.sbay.org (Dean Carlson) SPECTROX SYSTEMS +1.408.252.1005 Cupertino, Ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 23:01:14 -0700 (PDT) From: claudio.utah@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Claudio Tinnirello) Subject: Single covers (was: Re: newbie) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > * What is in your Enigma collection > > Just about everything except "Principles Of Lust" and "Rivers > > Of Belief" singles. Let me know if you see them anywhere! > > What do they look like? Don't know coz i haven't got them! :-) But i think they follow the style of the first two singles; dark covers with medieval/religious type designs. claudio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jun 1994 09:36:23 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: Single covers (was: Re: newbie) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > > > * What is in your Enigma collection > > > Just about everything except "Principles Of Lust" and "Rivers > > > Of Belief" singles. Let me know if you see them anywhere! > > > > What do they look like? > > Don't know coz i haven't got them! :-) But i think they follow the style > of the first two singles; dark covers with medieval/religious type > designs. All your answers are in the FAQ. The details of where you can get it are in your introductory text (the one you received when you subscribed). The FAQ also appeared recently in various newsgroups. Contact me personally at enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au if you're not sure of how to get it. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:49:50 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Some latest Enigma info. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au This is some forwarded European information from Joar: > - Next single to be released in mid-August. Title is 'Age Of > Loneliness'. > - Andy "Angel" Hard is not on Virgin, therefore they don't know > about his album. Angel is on Sony. > - The only Cretu album that is available in Norway is The Invisible > Man. Unfortunately. > - The CROSS Of Changes has sold 49 000, which means - in big letters > - that it is about to recieve PLATINUM album! Return To Innocence > is up at 16 000 (gold), The Eyes Of Truth 1500. The latter figure > low, but acceptable. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 11:21:43 +1200 (NZT) From: Graham Millar Subject: the CROSS of changes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi to everyone on the list. My name is Graham Millar, I'm 23 years old and currently doing a Master of Computer Science degree at the University of Otago, in the city of Dunedin (Dun - ee - din) New Zealand. My non Enigma music collection consists of the following: Andersson, Rice, Ulvaeus: Chess Vangelis: Antarctica Direct Themes 1492 (and hopefully the Blade Runner CD about to be (maybe) released) Enya: Enya (BBC CD 605) Klause Schulze: Beyond Recall Royal Festival Hall - Vol 2 (My two favourite CDs) Mike Oldfield: Tubular Bells II Michael Brook: Hybrid I first discovered Enigma in 1991 when a friend lent me MCMXC a.D. However, although I very much enjoyed the CD I hate ~40 minute hours, and so did not buy the CD until the limited edition came out. The CD that I have is MCMXC a.D. "THE LIMITED EDITION", the European non-hologram release with the purple on green CD pressing, and the Data Alpha Mambo booklet. The things that I like about MCMXC a.D. are the continuity from beginning to ending, the sensuality, and the pseudo ambient with dance rhythm. This CD I like very much. When I first heard "the CROSS of changes" I was immediately dissapointed. No single piece concept, not much sensuality (more anger), and too much popular sound. So I decided to borrow the CD from a friend for a couple of weeks to listen to it to see if it would grow on me. Now I decided in the end to buy it because of "I Love You ... I'll Kill You" and "The Eyes Of Truth". "Carly's Song" is not too bad either, but "I Love You ... I'll Kill You" really grew on me. Now I went out and purchased my own copy, which to my astonishment was rather different sounding on the song "I Love You ... I'll Kill You" Let me describe the two CDs that I have at the moment. old: CD: 839236 2.4 :2:2 EMI SWINDON White and gray screen printing on solid black background. Booklet: Merchandise ordering page, and black on green sample credits. Printed in Holland. new: CD: 839236 2.5 EMI SWINDON White and black screen printed onto CD silver. Booklet: No ordering page, white on green sample credits. No place of printing on booklet. Track Listing: (note times are from my CD player so only look at relative differences) Track Old Time New Time 1 2:15 2:15 2 7:14 7:14 3 4:16 4:14 <--- 4 8:50 8:52 <--- 5 6:09 6:09 6 2:46 2:46 7 5:20 5:20 8 4:53 4:53 9 2:23 2:23 The main difference appears to be in "I Love You ... I'll Kill You", the chanting of "Bring it back" or whatever is said is quite different. Any and all comments welcome. Also if anyone hears any news on the Vangelis release of the Blade Runner soundtrack, I would like to know. Graham Millar ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:39:28 +1000 (EST) From: Mr GP Stok Subject: the CROSS of changes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Graham and welcome to the list! > Vangelis: > Antarctica > Direct > Themes > 1492 Great stuff (in fact it's a duplicate of what I own plus China)..... I LOVE the final track of 1492 - masterpiece! > (and hopefully the Blade Runner CD about to be (maybe) released) It has just been released (someone from the Vangelis mailing list just reported it last night). > Now I went out and purchased my own copy, which to my astonishment > was rather different sounding on the song "I Love You ... I'll Kill You" > Let me describe the two CDs that I have at the moment. [cd description deleted] Your description is correct - it seems Cretu released the album in a slightly different format after its initial release in Europe. The differences are that there are some sample credits missing in the booklet, the booklet material (paper) is much thinner, the actual CD itself has a different colour scheme, and that "I Love You...I'll Kill You" is mixed slightly differently.... The difference is the inclusion of the male voice within it on the new version. Other than that the CD is the same (the slight changes in time on the new version reflect the new mix of "ILY...IKY") > Any and all comments welcome. Also if anyone hears any news on the > Vangelis release of the Blade Runner soundtrack, I would like to > know. It IS out, it IS official and it is coming to a store near you this month (if memory serves me right June 6 - Europe, June 9 - UK, June 16 - Australia) Thanks for your thorough descriptions of the different CDs - such attention to detail is fantastic! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 18:15:22 +0000 From: csb1@engr.engr.uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Wanted: 2 singles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I'm looking for 2 singles to finish my collection? Can someone help me? Please sell me your unwanted CD singles!!! I'm looking for: "Principles of Lust" (UK) "The Rivers of Belief" (Germany) The country really doesn't matter though... I'm also looking for the Limited EDition of their first CD...1990... So if anyone has an extra copy of any of these, let me know... Thanks, Chris -- ============================================================================== csb1@engr.uark.edu | Chris Bray cbray@comp.uark.edu | University of Arkansas, Fayetteville ============================================================================== To me, boxing is like ballet except that there's not music or choreography, and the dancers hit each other. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:42:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Pavel Groisman Subject: Wanted: 2 singles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > Hi! I'm looking for 2 singles to finish my collection? > > Can someone help me? Please sell me your unwanted CD singles!!! > > I'm looking for: > > "Principles of Lust" (UK) > "The Rivers of Belief" (Germany) > > The country really doesn't matter though... > > I'm also looking for the Limited EDition of their first CD...1990... > > So if anyone has an extra copy of any of these, let me know... > > Thanks, > Chris > Hi, Chris! Did you check the CD-Europe database? You have to telnet to 199.35.15.100 to access it. They have a HUGE collection of European stuff. I am not sure about the singles, but they do have Limited Edition of Enigma's first album. The delivery to the USA may take as long as two months. The prices there are very high, you should expect to pay 11-13$ for a single and Limited Edition MCMCX goes for about 30$ or so, I don't quite remember. They also have Sandra and other fun stuff. Good luck! Pasha. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 12:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Matthew P Jukins Subject: Wanted: 2 singles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Telnet to cdconnection.com, and when you first log in, there will be a telnet address for CD Europe. Telnet to that address, and you will find 'em there. -- Matt Jukins "An apple a day is a man's best friend." mpj1@kepler.unh.edu -anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 18:35:46 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@einet.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Wanted: 2 singles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) >> "Principles of Lust" (UK) >> "The Rivers of Belief" (Germany) > > Did you check the CD-Europe database? Once again: just because CD Europe lists something doesn't mean they can get it for you, and you won't know if you actually got what you ordered until at least six weeks after you pay them. Chances are that if your local import pusher can't special-order something for you, neither can CD Europe. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************