Enigma Digest August 1994 Volume 1 : Issue 8 Administrivia Age of Loneliness, 2nd cd Age of Loneliness CDM question Age of Loneliness Recap (3 msgs) Age Of Loneliness Review Announcing the Enigma WWW page Gavin's "Age of Loneliness" review Intro's :) (3 msgs) Introduction (5 msgs) Mea Culpa (offering my translation) (2 msgs) New Sandra album... (but not yet!) New US Single....Finally New US Single....Finally - ARGH! (4 msgs) posters Review of Age Of Loneliness sadeness pt1 for sale Swimming With Sharks (Distantly related artists) The nominees for European Viewers Choise award (for VMA) (fwd) WANTED: Singles and some more... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 16:11:06 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Administrivia To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The members stats is currently as follows: 69 edu US educational domain 40 com US commercial domain 10 au Australia 9 se Sweden 5 ca Canada 3 net Net domain 3 nl Netherlands 3 org Organisational domain 3 uk United Kingdom 2 no Norway 2 nz New Zealand 1 ch Switzerland 1 de Germany 1 fi Finland 1 gov US governmental domain 1 hk Hong Kong 1 hu Hungary 1 is Iceland 1 mx Mexico 1 si Slovenia 1 za South Africa A total of 159 members, of which 57 are in digest mode Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 94 00:19:29 -0500 From: Giles Christie Subject: To: (null) Okay... introduction, eh? Name: Giles Christie Age: 18 First Heard Enigma: I guess it was around Christmas of 1991ish... at the time I bought the tape (I also bought C+C Music Factory and Paula Abdul the same trip.... eeuuuurgh!) and listened to it constantly for ages... I'd only heard part of the song on the radio but I'd heard about it from friends. I think it was (besides Mike Oldfield) the first sort of connected-album I really listened to... the first time I listened to it all the way through I sat in a big armchair with my tape player propped on top of it. Later on I found out that it's fun music to trance out to... but my then girlfriend now fiancee was much better at that than me... (she also has my copy of the tape - I ended up getting the CD recently) I also got the cassette maxi- singles of Sadeness and Mea Culpa... and I can't believe it but I never bothered to get the videos when the stores still had them! Arrrgh! Anywa when Enigma 2 came out I got the tape for Emily (fiancee) and later on got the CD as well... I love the second one although some of the buzzing flute thingies are a bit much at times... other than that I love the fact that there are more separate SONGS on it (but I also miss the MXMXCa.D. beat! I'm so confused! :) ) As far as how much of a fan I am... I really like them but they don't have enough stuff out for me to obsess on them much... :) I've seen one Micheal Cretu album which I also passed up (Doh!) and I got the Different Story by Peter Schilling because MC produced that song... but beyond that I liked what I saw in the "ad" for this list because it said that it had info about ALL the associated members of Enigma. Other Artists I like: ANYTHING BOX!!!! Also Pet Shop Boys... that's the main players for the moment. No other comments for now, but I look forward to seeing what's on here... BTW this is the first list I've joined... so please don't flame me too hard if I've expressed opinions that offend anybody's musical sensibilities! :) Giles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 16:28:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: Age of Loneliness, 2nd cd To: Enigma Mailing List The local record store in town had three Age of Loneliness cds in (two UK, and one US). The first UK cd has already been desribed on this list, as has the US version (I think). I only bought the two UK cds. Here is the info on the second UK cd: Age of Loneliness (limited edition cd?) [CD: Virgin 24389 25782] 1. Age of Loneliness (Engimatic Club Mix) 128BPM (6:23) 2. Return To Innocence (380 Midnight Mix) (5:55) 3. Sadness Part I (Meditation Mix) (3:00) 4. Principles of Lust (Everlasting Lust Mix) (5:07) Note: translucent outer sleeve with reflective red inner sleeve; similar artwork to first cd except that it looks like a green filter was applied to the color (all of the beiges are pale green; the red robe is now purple); when the red sleeve is inside, though, the colors look about the same as the first cd; the cd itself has the same artwork as the first cd, except it is a slightly brighter red. Track 2 was released on the Return to Innocence cds. Track 3, (mis)spelled Sadness, is from the Sadeness cds. I'm not sure where track 4 is from. For comparison purposes, the tracks on the first UK cd are: Radio Edit, Clubby Radio Edit, Enigmatic Club Mix, Jam & Spoon Remix, Album Version. The US cd has Radio Edit, Enigmatic Club Mix, Jam & Spoon Remix, Album Version, and Principles of Lust (Omen Mix). I could have the order wrong on the US cd. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John N. Underwood junderw@cs.clemson.edu - http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Practice Random Kindness and Senseless Acts of Beauty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Aug 94 17:05:53 CDT From: Jim English Subject: Age of Loneliness CDM question To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) hey, thanks to who posted the info about the Age of Loneliness CDM, picked it up at the music store on friday. One question, the 7's in the corner's of the borders, do they have any reference to the fact that excluding carly's song (from sliver) it is the 7th single? Excuse this posting if this has been mentioned before. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 12:13:32 +0000 From: csb1@engr.engr.uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Age of Loneliness Recap To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Could someone give me the info on the Age of Loneliness singles? I've seen the one for #1, but what's on #2? Chris -- ============================================================================== csb1@engr.uark.edu | Chris Bray cbray@comp.uark.edu | University of Arkansas, Fayetteville ============================================================================== If you were a poor Indian with no weapons, and a bunch of conquistadors came up to you and asked where the gold was, I don't think it would be a good idea to say, "I swallowed it. So sue me." ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Aug 1994 20:22:10 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Age of Loneliness Recap To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Could someone give me the info on the Age of Loneliness singles? > I've seen the one for #1, but what's on #2? I didn't know there was a second European CD5. The US version is supposed to have: CD5: 1994 US (Charisma 38440-2?) [23 Aug 94] 4:14 Age Of Loneliness (radio edit) 6:23 Age Of Loneliness (enigmatic club mix) 5:19 Age Of Loneliness (album version) 6:28 Age Of Loneliness (jam & spoon remix) 5:52 Principles Of Lust (Find Love) (omen remix) -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Techno techno bloody *techno*, darling!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 22:50:26 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Age of Loneliness Recap To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Chris. > Could someone give me the info on the Age of Loneliness singles? > I've seen the one for #1, but what's on #2? Can you please expand on all this? Are you saying that you saw the single with something saying "Part 1 or a 2 CD set" or similar? Please explain..... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 12:06:05 GMT-1100 From: Nelson da Fonte Subject: Age Of Loneliness Review To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, I just got the new single on Friday and all I can say is that it's fantastic. The Single version combines everything from the original in a nice compact version. The clubby single edit is good but not as good as the original. The Enigmatic Club Mix is just an extended version of the clubby mix and is great as well. By far the best mix is the Jam And Spoon mix - a nice slow mix with the best use of the pan-flutes I've ever heard. All I've got to say about it is: GET THE SINGLE NOW!!! P.S. What's this I hear about a two-part single?? Any info would be really appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 23:37:07 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Announcing the Enigma WWW page To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au During the past months I've set up a World Wide Web page dedicated to Enigma, and to Michael Cretu, Sandra, and everything else Cretu has been and is doing. Available at this page is Gavin Stok's Enigma FAQ, in full hypertext form complete with table of contents and links to both articles and interviews mentioned in the text, and to other artists where relevant. Pictures of the main people involved in Enigma can be accessed (and I guess many of you wonder what Michael Cretu looks like!), and more people will be added in the time to come. Also present are the Enigma and Michael Cretu discographies. The Enigma one includes the pictures of every album and single released. Furthermore there's lyrics, articles, interviews and reviews, and links to Enigma sound files that exist around the net. The URL for all this is: http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html If you have any questions or problems connecting to this page, don't hesitate to contact me. Also, if you have any suggestions, comments or additions I'd love to hear from you. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 22:30:10 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Gavin's "Age of Loneliness" review To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au OK, it's time for my review of the Australian release of "Age of Loneliness". Firstly the details: Reference: EMI 8925722 Packaging: Digipak [single only released in this packaging in Australia] Track Listing: As per UK release #1 1. Radio Edit 4:14 2. Clubby Radio Edit 3:31 3. Enigmatic Club Mix 6:23 4. Jam & Spoon Remix 6:28 [same as on Carly's Song CD single] 5. Album Version 5:19 Cover: White background with what appears to be a poster from the early 20th century. The poster contains a picture of what seems to be a cross between a skinny Santa Claus and a wizard with a collection of children's toys, some in a form of basket with writing on it which I can't read or interpret. At the bottom of the poster is a new Enigma logo and the single title. In the corners of the poster are diamonds with the figure 7 which trivia buffs (Hi Joar!) may relate to being the 7th track on the album. Finally in the background of the picture are a tree, sand, and a stone wall with an opening. Overall it is good to see some new cover art and yet another new Enigma logo! CD: More new art which is good to see. The CD is red with the same logo as on the cover in black and white along with mythical figures depicting major astronomical 'star clusters', Orion and Canis Minor of which were the only ones I identified (maybe it's not astronomy at all - I could be wrong!). All these shapes and names are in the same sort of surroundings as on the CD of "The CROSS of Changes", that being some form of calendar or astrological dial. Review: "Age of Loneliness" has not grasped me as much as "the EYES of Truth" did. While it has a decent number of tracks (5), 3 are not of interest to Enigma fans - who needs a radio edit when you get the full version of the track anyway, and why want to listen to the album version if you already own the album?? On top of this the Enigmatic Club Mix did not grab me as much as the Gotterdammerung Mix of "the EYES of Truth" did, as explained later. Regardless, this release is a worthwhile one since "Age of Loneliness" is a good track and may encourage more people to listen to the music of Enigma (and initial chart details from the UK are proving this). Track-by-track: 1. Radio Edit My distate in radio edits has been stated many times - I just don't like them on singles! To give credit, however, the radio edit has been mixed well for this track, with there being no obvious parts where I cringed at an obvious cut out of certain segments of a track (which normally occurs for me!). My only surprise in this track was what seemed to be a Gregorian chant in the background at around 1:15 - this didn't link with the album version of the track at all and is rather faint to hear. 2. Clubby Radio Edit *sigh* Another radio edit I will undoubtedly skip whenever I play this single since it is simply a shortened form of track 3 with nothing new added. In the case with this track, both the more melodic parts and the non-club-beat parts of track 3 were removed. If track 3 got repetitive or boring in parts, I may have been able to justify this track, but since track 3 delivers fairly well overall, it is not the case this time. In summary, this track is good for the die-hards who want a 'hard and fast' track from start to end, but will not attract most. 3. Enigmatic Club Mix This was the only real track I bought the single for! As per the past few Enigma singles, the track starts of slowly and atmospherically with no beat (almost seems as if they'll link them later on, doesn't it?! *grin*).... In the first minute there is the chant along with the atmosphere, some airplane samples, and this S.O.S. (morse code) like sound (I don't know morse code so haven't investigated any possible secret messages!)..... After this the beat kicks (which includes this morse code sound) in with some more airplane sounds and in kicks some moaning and the new 'melody'. Two minutes and the chant is reintroduced followed by some more melodic type music with the beat at medium volume. Three minutes and there's some sample fiddling that occurs (the song is full of these little one-off samples)....the beat kicks back in, some vocals are sung, and the chant is then repeated again. Enter 4:15 and there's a new sample introduced - sampled off Yello's "Baby" album no doubt (an album I fully recommend by the way) and some more Gregorian chants jumping from speaker to speaker (but definitely not as profound as on Culture Beat's album version of "Anything" which I love). The rest of the track is pretty much a repeat of segments of the first few minutes with this new Yello sample and the Gregorian chants, although there is also a guitar-like sample introduced as well which is sampled from a famous song/band which I cannot recall. All in all this mix is good but not brilliant. To me it was more of an experiment with sounds than anything else, and this is shown by lots of one-off samples and sound tricks. The problem with this is that it makes the song sound fancy, but it doesn't make the song sound structured. For me, the Gotterdammerung Mix of "the EYES of Truth" was incredibly well structured as well as introducing some nice sound tricks and new samples - it was bombastic at just the right time and used the right tricks to give the atmosphere during both beat-segments and non-beat-segments. The Enigmatic Club Mix of "Age of Loneliness" however, just seems to be some segments of the track with little samples and new melodies thrown together. Don't get me wrong, it is not a bad track, but it is not a track which grabs me and holds me for the entire 6 minutes regardless of its lack of repetition. 4. Jam & Spoon Remix I have had this track for a long time (having owned "Carly's Song" since late '93) and can assure you that it is a remix of "Carly's Song" and not "Age of Loneliness" (see the FAQ for the differences between these 2 tracks). It begins brilliantly, with lots of echo on both the piano and the chant, giving the listener an ambient sort of feel for the song. Around the 45 second mark, the main beat kicks in, which is percussion and not dance beat. It is at 1:25 that another sample is added on top of the percussion, but you are still not hearing a dance beat in the true sense of the word - more a sense of electronics over percussion with chants to boot (it's hard to explain!!). This mix also has the use of a new panflute sample which Jam & Spoon use effectively throughout the whole single. I find this song a tiny bit too repetitve for my liking, with 2 minutes or so of it simply being a repeat of other segments of the track. It is not until 4 minutes into the track that we find a major change with the electronics changing and those Gregorian chants being introduced to jump from channel to channel (not as fast as on the Enigmatic Club Mix), in my view being used more effectively than track 3. Then it's off to a repeated segment again before the song ends. All in all this is a good track but it would have been much better if it was shorter since the repetition becomes annoying after awhile. Regardless, Jam & Spoon, of recent "Right in the Night" and "Find Me" fame, have proven that they are great remixers of other people's tracks and did an admirable job on this track. 5. Album Version This has already been covered in other documents. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 94 10:22:28 CDT From: Jim English Subject: Intro's :) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) Hi all, here is my self-introduction Jim English 21 yrs old Basically I have both albums (US Reprint on MCMXC) and UK versions of Mea Culpa Part II, Return to Innocence. Holland versions (European I guess) of Eyes of Truth and the "Limited Edition" MCMXC (w/o hologram). And a German release of Sadeness Part I. (I'm sure all European countries are the European version, but I'm listing the place of origin as printed on the CD and booklet.) Plus the UK promo of Eyes of Truth. I first heard Enigma when Sadeness came out, but I didn't really get into it until I bummed a copy of MCMXC of a friend about 1 year ago. I'd say I'm a medium fan, I love the music, and collect what I can, but there are some tracks I don't just love to death. Some other artists I dig are Tori Amos, Bjork, Primus, Porno for Pyro's, Jane's Addiction, Yes, U2... I'm a senior at the University of Tulsa in Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA. I'm a Computer Science major in the college of engineering, but I dig composing and play guitar, flute, and some piano. Welp, I guess that sums it up. If anyone knows where I can get the other 2 MCMXC singles (Principles of Lust, and Rivers of Belief) please share the news. Also I'd like to get my hands on a VHS version of the video. Many thanks! -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 11:43:31 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Intro's :) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy. > the CD and booklet.) Plus the UK promo of Eyes of Truth. Can you please supply the list with all details about this release - I have not got a record of it and would like to know all the gory details. Thanks in advance, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 94 20:59:20 CDT From: Jim English Subject: Intro's :) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) > > Howdy. > > > the CD and booklet.) Plus the UK promo of Eyes of Truth. > > Can you please supply the list with all details about this release - I have > not got a record of it and would like to know all the gory details. > > > Thanks in advance, > > Gavin Stok > (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) > > gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hmmm, It was in the discography on the FTP site...It's not a promo, oops, I meant the limited edition sleeve thingee. sorry :) -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Aug 94 03:07:40 EDT From: ThompsonM@aol.com Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name Michael Thompson * Age 25 * What is in your Enigma collection Just US CDs of MCMXC a.D. and The CROSS of Changes * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I resisted the allure of Enigma when I first heard Sadeness in 1991--it was so trendy in SF. I finally gave in and found MCMXC one of my favorite discs. I bought CROSS as soon as it was released in the US. * Other artists you like This Mortal Coil, Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins (4AD!), Speedy J, The The, William Orbit, Oingo Boingo. Almost any band that incorporates an analog synth. * What course you're doing (if any) Finishing a BS in Information Systems Management at the University of San Francisco. Contemplating a degree in architecture. * Any other interesting information you wish to share I'm a computer consultant by day, metal sculptor by night... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 1994 02:40:16 -0500 (CDT) From: arigby@herbie.unl.edu (Althea) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Greetings, I thought I'd do the homeowrk that was asked of me .. so without futher ado .. I'm Andrea Rigby .. from Lincoln, NE I'm 20, and I have MCMXC a.D. and The Cross of Changes I first heard of Emigma during my junior year of high school when Sadeness Part I was released .. I bought MCMXC a.D. shortly after. As for other artists, I enjoy various techno artists, especially Trance. I also like Patrick O'Hearn, Enya, Clannad, 10,000 Maniacs, as well as others that have similar styles ... I am studying Nursing here in Nebraska, hoping to be done in 2 more years so I can start studying to be a midwife .. For other info .. I particularly like and believe that quote by Jelaluddin Rumi on the back of The Cross of Changes, religion is in you, not in a specific object. What you beleive inside is what makes you whatever branch of religion you want to be, not what object you own or what place you go to. That's all for now .. Blessings .. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Aug 94 7:45:53 CDT From: Jim English Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) Just saying hi, welcome to the group. Not much traffic now... -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Aug 1994 12:50:32 +0800 (WST) From: Jamie P Yoon Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I thought I'd better introduce myself, since I've joined this group for quite a few weeks now. My first experience of Enigma was watching the video clip of Sadeness and I was immediately enthralled by the rich yet simple texture of both the music and the video clip. I loved the piquant mix of gregorian and techno and the innovative riffs. My first enigma purchase was the cassette of the first album MCMXCad all the way from the Virgin Superstore in England (bought by my sister on a tour). I was hooked! The swanky jazzy beat of The Principles of Lust, but more importantly Mea Culpa! Mea Culpa is very much my theme. The lyrics alone got my first girl friend ;-) Anyway, my collection: Enigma MXMXCad Limited Edition CD Mea Culpa CD Single Sadeness Part I CD Single Rivers of Belief CD Single Principles of Lust CD Single Sliver SoundTrack CD Carly's Song CD Single Cross of Changes Album CD Return to Innocence CD Single Eyes of Truth CD Single I'm waiting for the release of Age of Loneliness over here in Perth, WA, and I'm always hanging out for some unusual Enigma stuff. Does anyone know where I can get videos, etc? Regards, Jamie -- | Jamie P. Yoon, Apple Student Rep, University of WA _-_|\ | | PowerBook powered, IIgs fanatic, and.... / OZ | | | INTERNET JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I live here =======> X_.-._/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 1994 19:48:51 -0400 (EDT) From: kamakiz@infi.net (Scot Dickinson) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au i first got into Enigma back in 1991 form a friend saying check this out In my collection i have Thier first CD The Limited Eddtion of thier first Cd (made in holland) Sadness I Single Eyes of Truth Single Return of Innonce single and Cross of changes cd. WANTED: any info where i can get the other cds at i must have em! carlys song priciples of lust i love that song. but th fav song i liek now is mea cupa and the Introit on the single of enigma it took me 2 months to get that Limited eddtion CD in but it was worth the 26.95 i paid for it ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 94 10:50:41 CDT From: Jim English Subject: Mea Culpa (offering my translation) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) I beleive a more accurate translation of Mea Culpa (I could be wrong) is "Forgive Me"...also I think that it was used in prayer...ie Lord forgive me. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mewilliams@ucdavis.edu Subject: Mea Culpa (offering my translation) To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Jim English wrote: > I beleive a more accurate translation of Mea Culpa (I could be wrong) is > "Forgive Me"...also I think that it was used in prayer...ie Lord forgive me. > -jim > > -- I thought Mea Culpa was generally thought to mean "my fault", hence the word culpable(at fault)... Rich--szwill@dale.ucdavis.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 01:15:04 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: New Sandra album... (but not yet!) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au While talking to Virgin today I also got the scheduled date for the next album by Sandra, which is February 1995. Not exactly around the corner, but at least we know that they're working on something. I guess they've written many of the songs and have started briefly on the arranging of the music. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 22:56:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Hank@world.std.com Subject: New US Single....Finally To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) Hi Folks! Here is all the info that we have been waiting for. Just the facts! Cassette Single: A. Age Of Loneliness (Radio Edit) 4:14 B. Age Of Loneliness (Clubby Radio Edit) 3:31 Cat. # 38440 Cd 5: 1. Age Of Loneliness (Radio Edit) 4:14 2. Enigmatic Club Mix (128 BPM) 6:23 3. Album Version 5:19 4. Jam & Spoon Remix 6:28 5. Principles Of Lust (Find Love)(Omen Remix) 5:52 Cat. # 38440 Release Date: August 23, 1994 I don't have actual copies yet. All of my information comes from a CEMA Distribution Single Release Sheet. I did however receive a Promo 12" of Age Of Loneliness! Side A. Enigmatic Club Mix (128 BPM) 6:23 B. Clubby Radio Edit 3:31 Album Version 5:19 Cat. # SPRO-14174 33 1/3 RPM Additional recording & remixes by:Jens Gad and Michael Cretu Hope this helps. Take Care, ......Hank -- |-----------------------------------------------------------------| |thisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisaw| |asteofspacethisawasteof Hank@world.std.com spacethisisawasteofspa| |cethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisisawasteofspacethisis| |-----------------------------------------------------------------| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:28:40 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: New US Single....Finally - ARGH! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. > Here is all the info that we have been waiting for. Just the facts! Thanks for the info - fantastic work! > Cassette Single: A. Age Of Loneliness (Radio Edit) 4:14 > B. Age Of Loneliness (Clubby Radio Edit) 3:31 > Cat. # 38440 What a waste! Undoubtedly they will be very similar to each other, so why not the Enigmatic Club Mix or Jam & Spoon remix for a bit of variety????? (Don't worry Hank, all of these are general comments more aimed at the record company. None are aimed at you!) > Cd 5: 1. Age Of Loneliness (Radio Edit) 4:14 This will undoubtedly be very similar to the album version since it geared itself for a single release anyway (Quite easy to fade into or out of the song)..... I would only expect some chopping off at the start and end. > 2. Enigmatic Club Mix (128 BPM) 6:23 Likely to be the only worthwhile track on the album, and if it's anything like the Gotterdammerung Mix on "the EYES of Truth" it will be good! > 3. Album Version 5:19 Why do they waste their time? If the radio edit won't be close enough, people will already have the album by now anyway! > 4. Jam & Spoon Remix 6:28 Based on the time of this track it will be identical to the mix that was on "Carly's Song"..... since most of you did not have this track released in your country I can tell you that the mix is fairly good, although not terribly original. It has a nice little ambient (with gentle piano) solo at the start with an emphasis on the chant, and a different underlying beat to both Carly's Song and Age of Loneliness throughout the track. > 5. Principles Of Lust (Find Love)(Omen Remix) 5:52 Well anyone who got the Limited Edition of "the EYES of Truth" recently or the UK version of "Principles of Lust" in 1991 will already have this. There is however a very good chance that this track will only appear in the US. > Cat. # 38440 All in all, the only tracks of interest to me is #2 - the rest are a waste of my time (and money). However, for people outside of Australia (or with few singles), tracks #2, #4, and maybe #5 will make the single a worth-while purchase. > Release Date: August 23, 1994 ....almost a month after initial expectations.... If this is the release date for the US, it should be out about now (if not earlier) in Europe. JOAR?????? > I did however receive a Promo 12" of Age Of Loneliness! > Hope this helps. It did, thanks again!.... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 01:09:20 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: New US Single....Finally - ARGH! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Aug 3, 5:28pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > > Cassette Single: A. Age Of Loneliness (Radio Edit) 4:14 > > B. Age Of Loneliness (Clubby Radio Edit) 3:31 > > Cat. # 38440 > > What a waste! Undoubtedly they will be very similar to each other, so why not > the Enigmatic Club Mix or Jam & Spoon remix for a bit of variety????? Not necessarily. The Clubby Radio Edit seems like a shortened version of the Enigmatic Club Mix, and possibly not so much 'club', thus more likely to be played on the radio. (It is in the name really...) > > 5. Principles Of Lust (Find Love)(Omen Remix) 5:52 > > Well anyone who got the Limited Edition of "the EYES of Truth" recently or > the UK version of "Principles of Lust" in 1991 will already have this. There is > however a very good chance that this track will only appear in the US. Being one of those mentioned above (got the Limited Edition of The Eyes Of Truth), I can agree on this! The Omen Mix is very good, although not done by Cretu - but by 'D.F.F.', whoever that is. > > Release Date: August 23, 1994 > > ....almost a month after initial expectations.... If this is the release date > for the US, it should be out about now (if not earlier) in Europe. JOAR?????? The release date for this single is August 8th. This is for Norway, but take it to mean Europe in general. The UK is usually a week behind. The cover for this is some Indian drawing, with a man and some 'carpets' (the explanation didn't really say anything). It is not from the CD booklet though. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 11:33:05 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: New US Single....Finally - ARGH! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day! > > What a waste! Undoubtedly they will be very similar to each other, so why not > > the Enigmatic Club Mix or Jam & Spoon remix for a bit of variety????? > > Not necessarily. The Clubby Radio Edit seems like a shortened version > of the Enigmatic Club Mix, and possibly not so much 'club', thus more > likely to be played on the radio. (It is in the name really...) You've got a point there - but why not the original Enigmatic mix??? Surely tape doesn't cost THAT much! > Being one of those mentioned above (got the Limited Edition of The Eyes > Of Truth), I can agree on this! The Omen Mix is very good, although not > done by Cretu - but by 'D.F.F.', whoever that is. Well it seems like it's David Fairstein (Foundation?!?!!)..... he is one of the contributing artists on all Enigma albums, and has had a big contribution to Sandra albums as well. > The release date for this single is August 8th. This is for Norway, but > take it to mean Europe in general. The UK is usually a week behind. .... and Australia around 6-8 weeks! :( > The cover for this is some Indian drawing, with a man and some 'carpets' > (the explanation didn't really say anything). It is not from the CD > booklet though. Interesting.... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 03:54:46 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: New US Single....Finally - ARGH! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Aug 4, 11:33am, Gavin Stok wrote: > > Being one of those mentioned above (got the Limited Edition of The Eyes > > Of Truth), I can agree on this! The Omen Mix is very good, although not > > done by Cretu - but by 'D.F.F.', whoever that is. > > Well it seems like it's David Fairstein (Foundation?!?!!)..... he is one of > the contributing artists on all Enigma albums, and has had a big contribution > to Sandra albums as well. But only as a songwriter, ie. he may not be a musician or remixer. > > The release date for this single is August 8th. This is for Norway, but > > take it to mean Europe in general. The UK is usually a week behind. > > .... and Australia around 6-8 weeks! :( At least you got The Eyes Of Truth (which the US didn't get)! Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 94 12:55:32 PDT From: JamesG2@eworld.com Subject: posters To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone have a poster of the cover of MCMXC A.D & The Cross Of Changes? Those would look *great* in my dorm room. Email me if you have one to sell. -James JamesG2@eworld.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 03:42:01 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Review of Age Of Loneliness To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Enigma: Age Of Loneliness CDM: 8 92525 2; 7243 8 92525 2 1 - DINSD 135 - PM 515 (P) 1994 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH (C) 1994 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH 1. Age Of Loneliness (Radio Edit) 4:14 2. Age Of Loneliness (Clubby Radio Edit)* 3:31 3. Age Of Loneliness (Enigmatic Club Mix)* 6:23 128 BPM 4. Age Of Loneliness (Jam & Spoon Remix)** 6:28 93 BPM 5. Age Of Loneliness (Album Version) 5:19 Taken from the album "The Cross Of Changes" Written by Curly M.C. Published by Mambo/Ensign Musci Corp. Additional Recording & Remixes by: *Jens Gad & Michael Cretu **Allstar Productions Produced & Engineered by "Curly" Michael Cretu Sample: Extracts from the album "Songs From The Victorious City" performed and written by Anne Dudley and Jeremy "Jaz" Coleman on China Records; Published by EG Music/BMG Music Publishing Ltd./EMI Songs Ltd. -- The cover is rather special, because it's very different from any of the other covers. It is not of any mythological or religious content, nor is it a photo. It seems like a drawing from the 1920s. The drawing is of an Indian magician doing some stuff, like playing a flute and up comes a snake, only that it is what looks like toys coming up from a box. The background is white. As for the CD itself, it is red, with a star sign map in black. The visual appearance strays away from the previous three releases. The font used for the text, both on the spine and elsewhere is not the typewriter one, but a standard one. For the cover there is special logo for the artist name and the title. -- The Radio Edit is just that, a shortened version of the track you find on the album. Some seconds have been lost in the intro, and it fades out at what is around 4:40 on the album. The main new mix on this single is the Enigmatic Club Mix. It is indeed very 'club', with a bass line that lies still at the same note. The track opens in the same was as the Goetterdaemmerung Mix of The Eyes Of Truth - ambience sounds with the main ethnic chant running once through. The bass drum kicks in just before the 1 minute mark, and is a simple quarter note thing. Together with the bass line it makes for a very powerful and thumping sound. There are various sounds which play around in the background throughout the track. These include a flanged jetsound, the sounds of knives, and of pots and pans. In sections the track is similar to the Hypnotic Mix of Culture Beat's 'Got To Get It'. Gad and Cretu may have sampled from that particular track - I haven't checked. Yello and Kraftwerk are other artists that spring to mind during the track. The famous Yello brass sound is used during a section. The Kraftwerk connection lies in the use of morse code sounds. Both the new mixes (Enigmatic Club Mix and Clubby Radio Edit) has the morse code sounds in the beginning of the track. It works rather OK, but can be a bit tiresome, especially on the Enigmatic Club Mix. I haven't tried to spell out what the morse code means, but it probably doesn't mean anything. The Clubby Radio Edit is a condensed version of the Enigmatic Club Mix. In short it has all, or at least most, of the elements from the longer mix. The Jam & Spoon Remix is familiar to some of you, but for those new to it, it is a slower and more relaxed version of the original track. It is more melancholic, which suits the mood and lyrics of the song. The last track is of course a straight cut from the album. All in all I think these remixes are better than the ones for The Eyes Of Truth. Remember that those mixes didn't incorporate that many elements from the original song, which isn't that surprising. Age Of Loneliness is a more thankful song to remix, as it is more upbeat and not so epic as the previous single was. The remixes on this release use the original material in a nice way, you can still hear that this is Age Of Loneliness. I think this single can go down well - it certainly will do better than the previous one that just disappeared after the inital two- three weeks. It won't match the success of Return To Innocence (what will?!), but it will make it's mark. It will also be interesting to see what the video will be like, will it incorporate pictures from the Sliver film? The single doesn't mention Sliver at all, plus the film has been off the cinemas for quite some while now (although it has just been released on video), so I don't think so. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Rogaland Univ. Centre Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- Fingerable at johanna4.hsr.no Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 00:32:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: sadeness pt1 for sale To: Enigma Mailing List A local record store has the US digipak cd of Sadeness Pt.1 for sale. It is used (the cover is pretty worn, but the disc looked fine) and costs $3.00. I'd be happy to pick this up for someone for $6.00 total (including tax & shipping to anywhere in the USA). Just send me email if interested. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John N. Underwood junderw@cs.clemson.edu - http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- my mind is going, there is no question about it ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Aug 1994 16:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: claudio@x.co.uk (Claudio Tinnirello) Subject: Swimming With Sharks (Distantly related artists) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone have any info the could share about "Swimming With Sharks", "Humpe Humpe" or "Inga Humpe"? The Humpe sisters (Inga and Annette) have appeared on a few Cretu produced albums (Hubert Kah, etc) and i was hoping that someone else on this list might have some more info on them. Anyone? claudio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Aug 1994 00:10:04 GMT From: joarg@gribb.hsr.no (Grimstvedt, Joar 7-96) Subject: The nominees for European Viewers Choise award (for VMA) (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au This message was found on rec.music.misc and rec.music.video. Does anyone know what this is? Is it specific to Israel, or is it organised by some satellite channel? I know which one I'd pick! :) Joar --- Forwarded message follows --- From: c1021351@techst02.technion.ac.il (Gleb E. Shadeck) Subject: The nominees for European Viewers Choise award (for VMA) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 1994 11:49:38 GMT This is horrible!!! Could they possibly choise anything worse? I don't think so! First, here's the list of nominees, for those who haven't seen it yet: 1. Babe - TAKE THAT (aaargh!!!!) 2. Return To Innocence - ENIGMA 3. Things Can Only Get Better - D:REAM 4. Stay (Far Away, So Close!) - U2 5. Linger - THE CRANBERRIES 6. Hobo Humping Slobo Babe - WHALE The first and the worst mistake - Take That are among the nominees, and thus they're gonna win. It just *will* happen. There's no escape. Just as it happened half a year ago on Brits or happening for last two years on Dial MTV. Hundreds of thousand of screaming girls will vote for them don't matter how crappy the video is. And it is *very* crappy. In fact, it's the crappiest video i've ever seen. So lame, so stupid, so horrible! And it will be The Best European Video of 1994. Damn!!! Other nominees are also not the best that could've been chosen, IMHO. D:REAM - nothing special, video of an everage quality. Guys over there seem to forget that not all #1 hits have good videos. Quite a few, in fact. And it's not one of them. U2 - well, it's a good video, but it's definetly worse that 'Numb' and 'Lemon'. 'Lemon' was ingenious! WHALE - not very good one, though i know, a lot of people on Net like it. Again, i can't believe they've prefered it to 'Lemon' (both were directed by Mark Pellington, and thus only one could get through). ENIGMA - quite a good choise, if they wanted some video from the continent. Still, there are a lot of better videos. CRANBERRIES - the only decent choise, though it's hardly can be called 'the video of 1994' - i saw it first in the beginning of 1993. Yeah, the song was re-released sonce then, but it doesn't make the video any fresher. Those who are missing. I realize that everyone got his personal faves, but i think eveybody would agree that one act is certainly missing: PET SHOP BOYS. Where the hell are they? Where's 'Liberation', or at least 'Go West'? Where??? Those who'll say that 'Babe' is better that 'Liberation', may equally shoot me between the eyes! Also, there were two absolutely great videos from Pulp, New Order's 'World', Peter Gabriel's 'Love Town' - not his best, but still better than 'Babe'. Actually every video ever made is better than 'Babe' (sorry for getting back to it, i'm just so upset!). Who else? Marcella Detroit, Erasure, Seal, Lucas, Les Rita Mitsouko, even East 17, whoever - just not the fuckin' 'Babe'! Last VMA's were one big mess, with The European Choise being one of the few exceptions. They nominated the best, and voters chose the best. Well, almost. Now they managed to mess up even this! Dammit! BTW, have the major nominees been already announced? Cheers, ------------------------ ^..^ ------------------------------------------ |Gle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Aug 94 12:47:11 CDT From: Jim English Subject: WANTED: Singles and some more... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) hey all, I was perusing the Discography and I found some stuff I'd like to get my hands on if I could. Any help would be appreciated. MCMXC a.D. VHS: 1991 Europe (Virgin 791 147) Mea Culpa CDM: UK (Virgin DINSX 104) Principles of Lust CDM: UK (Virgin DINSD 110) The Rivers of Belief CDM: UK (Virgin DINSD 112) MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition" MD: 1993 UK (Virgin MDVIR 10) <--Note er ^^^^ Note MiniDisc wanted (I have CD European Version w/o Hologram cover) Would also be interested in one with the Hologram cover Carly's Song CDM: Australia (Virgin 8-92062-2) Cryptogram: Sadeness Part I (The Enigma Remixes) CD: 1991 US (Mastymix) I would be willing to seek out some stuff for others to trade if there's something you can't find that might be more accesiable (SP?) in the US. I'd settle for a copy of the Video, but the rest I'm interested in original form only. I'm espically interested in the 4 cd holder box and the Principles of Lust and Rivers of Belief singles. Thanks for any help! -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************