Enigma Digest September 1994 Volume 1 : Issue 9 Administrivia "Homework" (fwd) age of loneliness (3 msgs) Age Of Loneliness Video A recommendation. Delerium, 'Semantic Spaces' Enigma Survey #1 FAQ (2 msgs) Hello Hello! hello everybody Hi! (3 msgs) I Look vs And Look Introduction Introduction of myself (fwd) Looking for Luis D. Antezana (4 msgs) MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album (review) (6 msgs) Mea Culpa II Us Single - For Trade News! (2 msgs) original or copy of MCMXC a.D. the Video Album (WANTED) (2 msgs) Record Company Correspondence Repost of Enigma survey #1 Request for US information (2 msgs) Rivers of Belief (4 msgs) Rivers of Belief... (2 msgs) Rivers of Belief: The Returning Silence (2 msgs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 18:13:40 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Administrivia To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The message archive for August has been created, and can be found at yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au in directory /listserv/enigma/Enigma/archives as enigma0894.txt.Z Here is the members breakdown: 67 edu US educational domain 40 com US commercial domain 9 au Australia 7 se Sweden 6 ca Canada 5 net Net domain 4 org Organisational domain 4 uk United Kingdom 2 nl Netherlands 2 no Norway 2 nz New Zealand 1 de Germany 1 dk Denmark 1 fi Finland 1 gov US governmental domain 1 hk Hong Kong 1 hu Hungary 1 is Iceland 1 jp Japan 1 kr South Korea 1 mx Mexico 1 si Slovenia 1 za South Africa A total of 160 members, of which 56 are in digest mode Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 09:37:49 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: "Homework" (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: >From EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU Fri Sep 23 00:39:31 1994 From: EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU Date: Thu, 22 Sep 1994 10:39:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: "Homework" To: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Message-id: <01HHERD6VOOY95NNTX@ACAD.ALBION.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Gavin- Homework? On a listserv? I thought riding the 'net was a way to escape the trials of academic life... :) I guess I'll go right down the categories: * Name: Erik Eid * Age: 20 * What is in your Enigma collection? I have "MCMXC a.D.," the "Sliver" soundtrack, and "Sadeness Part I" on cassette. On CD, I have "The CROSS of Changes" and "Age of Loneliness." * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I first found Enigma on WHYT 96.3FM, a Detroit radio station. I heard it and loved it. I tracked down the tape and bought it without hesitation. As for how much of a fan I am, let's say I only buy imports of groups that I really enjoy, and that the gap between the first and second albums was far too long for my taste. * Other artists you like I tend to go for European synth-pop: Depeche Mode, Pet Shop Boys, the Art of Noise, Kraftwerk. I also go for Duran Duran, just 'cause. * What course you're doing (if any) I'm at Albion College of Albion, Michigan, in my senior year. I'm a computational math major, with a strong interest in programming. * Any other interesting information you wish to share I can't think of any offhand. That's all for now. I'm glad to have found a collection of fans out there and have a way to communicate with them. (*----------+--------+--------------------------------*) (* Erik Eid | "Wisp" | EEID@ACAD.ALBION.EDU *) (*----------+--------+------+----------------+--------*) (* Computational Math major | Albion College | Senior *) (*--------------------------+----------------+--------*) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 11:36:03 +0800 (SST) From: NEO KIAN WEE Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au hello ;) i am Cindy from singapore.it may seems strange that that i am Not NEO KIAN WEE.that is because i am using his user ID. My real name is Tan Puay Yong Cindy. i am 20 years old and i am not a student i graduated from Polytechnic abt 3 months ago and i am now working in the National University of Sinagpore.It is a great job i first heard of Enigma in 1991 and the first song i know of them is Sadness.I fell in love it instantly.then i went on noticing them from then on.i love all their songs now..but sadly..ii don't own any of their albums :( i graduated with a diploma in Electronics and i joined the university abt 2 months ago. thank you gavin..for all the trouble... see you guys soon ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 01:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: age of loneliness To: Enigma Mailing List A store in town has both UK imports of the Age of Loneliness cds for sale (and the US version, but who'd be interested in that). They also have both UK imports of the Eyes Of Truth. If anyone is interested in any them, just let me know. Oh yeah, they also have the UK import of Mea Culpa. I'll pick these up for anyone at cost plus shipping (say $3 in the US). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ John N. Underwood "I am a man whose dreams have all deserted...." junderw@cs.clemson.edu - http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 1994 14:13:07 +0800 (HKT) From: kkwan@csd.hku.hk Subject: age of loneliness To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > A store in town has both UK imports of the Age of Loneliness cds for sale > (and the US version, but who'd be interested in that). They also have both > UK imports of the Eyes Of Truth. If anyone is interested in any them, just > let me know. Oh yeah, they also have the UK import of Mea Culpa. I'll pick > these up for anyone at cost plus shipping (say $3 in the US). Hi. My name is Kelvin Kwan, and I'm the only member on the Enigma list from Hong Kong. Here we don't get *any* singles at all, just the albums. I just got back from Canada a few weeks ago and I found the Eyes of Truth and Return to Innocence, also the limited edition Eyes of Truth. I'd very much like to have the Age of Loniness single, and also the singles from the first album. (I got into this Enigma thing a just before they released their second album, so naturally I don't have the singles from the first. I do have the first album, also the limited edition.) How much would it cost for you to send the discs to Hong Kong via air mail? Of course I'd like the UK imports. Let me know how much are the Age of Loniess and Mea Culpa (and maybe others as well), plus postage, and I can send you an international money order for the total. Thanks! -Kelvin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Sep 1994 11:05:51 +0800 From: tspamela@HK.Super.NET (Thomas Brown) Subject: age of loneliness To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi. My name is Kelvin Kwan, and I'm the only member on the Enigma list from Hong Kong. Here we don't get *any* singles at all You are not alone in HK, I used to work for EMI (HK) and they handel Enigma's stuff here, I know they don't have much ! as thigs have alays been slow for EMI (HK) but they do have some goodies which they only reserve for the local DJ's......... give Michael a call, maybe he could help you out on these items you mentioned, the number for EMI (HK ) is 5065668 , ask for Michael he is the Oversea Label man, maybe you can say that you are a good friend of mine, and see what he can do for you. Cheers, Tom Tom Producer/Engineer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 12:58:24 GMT-1100 From: Nelson da Fonte Subject: Age Of Loneliness Video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, I just saw the video to the new single Age Of Loneliness. It was on Rage last night with all the other new release singles. Once again, they've made a video completely different to all the others. It is based on the theme of Loneliness (as in the title of the single) People are floating in a city scene (looks like New York??) with passers by not taking any notice of them - thus the notion of Loneliness. It's all shot in brown & white and features a dark woman singing the "Carly don't be sad" lyrics. I'm not sure, but I think I saw the woman who was on the cover of the Mea Culpa single in the video. If anyone can confirm this, it would be great. Overall, a good video and one that will hopefully push the single higher in the charts. ------------------------------------------------------------- Remember the Shaman, when he used to say: "Man is the dream of the dolphin" - ENIGMA napir1@mfs01.cc.monash.edu.au Nelson da Fonte ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Sep 94 1:55:14 EDT From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: A recommendation. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) If you like Enigma/Deep Forest, you should get the new Delerium, "Semantic Spaces". It's not exactly like Enigma but has a similar style. For example, they use some of the same drump loops, have a female vocalist, and use ethereal sounding choirs combined with synths. It's the two guys from Front Line Assembly, but the music is NOT like FLA. -- Mathias mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 16:14:23 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Delerium, 'Semantic Spaces' To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au --- Forwarded mail from "George Feil" Subject: Delerium, "Semantic Spaces" Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 09:31:22 -0400 From: "George Feil" I took Mathias's advice, and and purchased the CD yesterday. The voice tracks were quite beautiful on the cuts, especially the first one, "Flowers Become Screens". While I enjoyed listening to it, I found the sound more poppy, and less ambient than Enigma; and the rhythms less complex and stimulating than Deep Forest. However, it is enjoyable none the less, and a worthy purchase. Them Nettwerk dudes are really building an impressive library of releases! Thanks, Mathias. George --- End of forwarded message from "George Feil" -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 1994 09:14:48 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Enigma Survey #1 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au _____ | |___ _ _ __ __ | |\ | | / __ |\/| |__| |______ | \| _|_ \__/ | | | | SURVEY FOR 1994 Yes it's the first annual Enigma survey, held at the beginning of September each year (I hope!). Below are questions on most facets of Enigma's music, Michael Cretu, and your ideas on different topics. IT IS HOPED FOR THE RESULTS OF THIS SURVEY TO BE DISCUSSED WITH RECORD COMPANY OFFICIALS so please respond! Instructions: 1. Do NOT simply reply to this message since it will go to enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au which is the WRONG reply address. 2. To reply to the survey, simply send a 1 line reply to enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with the 25 characters corresponding to your answer from each question below. 3. Should you wish to add any other information (such as the "Other" information from questions 5-6, 17-22) feel free to do so below this first line. Any suggestions or comments are also welcome. All surveys must be in by the end of September. Results will be collected and analysed only by the owners of the list, and results be will reported to the list in mid-October. PLEASE take the effort to respond to this survey since the results will not only be interesting to everyone, but may also help us to establish regular contact with Enigma's record companies world-wide. ALBUMS ------ 1. What is your favourite album by Enigma? a. MCMXC a.D. b. MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition" c. The CROSS of Changes d. I don't own or haven't heard any of these albums 2. What is your favourite track from MCMXC a.D.? a. The Voice of Enigma b. Sadeness c. Find Love d. Sadeness (Reprise) e. Callas Went Away f. Mea Culpa g. The Voice & the Snake h. Knocking on Forbidden Doors i. Way to Eternity j. Hallelujah k. The Rivers of Belief l. I don't own or haven't heard this album 3. What is your favourite track from the CROSS of Changes? a. Second Chapter b. The Eyes of Truth c. Return to Innocence d. I Love You...I'll Kill You e. Silent Warrior f. The Dream of the Dolphin g. Age of Loneliness (Carly's Song) h. Out from the Deep i. The CROSS of Changes j. I don't own or haven't heard this album 4. What is your favourite track from all albums and soundtracks? a. The Voice of Enigma b. Sadeness c. Find Love d. Sadeness (Reprise) e. Callas Went Away f. Mea Culpa g. The Voice & the Snake h. Knocking on Forbidden Doors i. Way to Eternity j. Hallelujah k. The Rivers of Belief l. Carly's Song m. Second Chapter n. The Eyes of Truth o. Return to Innocence p. I Love You...I'll Kill You q. Silent Warrior r. Dream of the Dolphin s. Age of Loneliness (Carly's Song) t. Out from the Deep u. The CROSS of Changes v. I don't own or haven't heard any of the albums or soundtracks 5. What is your ONE biggest gripe about MCMXC a.D.? a. It goes for too shorter a time b. It goes for too longer a time c. The music all sounds the same d. The same samples are used too often e. Too many samples are "stolen" from other artists f. "Limited Edition" releases wreck the overall feel of the original album g. I have no gripes about the albums h. I don't own or haven't heard this album i. Other (please state) 6. What is your ONE biggest gripe about The CROSS of Changes? a. It goes for too shorter a time b. It goes for too longer a time c. The music all sounds the same d. The same samples are used too often e. Too many samples are "stolen" from other artists f. It is too different and therefore not as good as MCMXC a.D. g. It has too much of an Eastern influence in its sound h. I have no gripes about the album i. I don't own or haven't heard this album j. Other (please state) SINGLES ------- 7. What is your favourite single from MCMXC a.D.? a. Sadness/Sadeness part 1 b. Mea Culpa part II c. Principles of Lust d. Rivers of Belief e. I don't own or haven't heard this album 8. What is your favourite single from The CROSS of Changes thus far? a. Return to Innocence b. the EYES of Truth c. Age of Loneliness d. I don't own or haven't heard this album 9. What is your favourite single from all albums and soundtracks? a. Sadness/Sadeness part 1 b. Mea Culpa part II c. Principles of Lust d. Rivers of Belief e. Carly's Song f. Return to Innocence g. the EYES of Truth h. Age of Loneliness i. I don't own or haven't heard any of the singles 10. What is your favourite remix from Sadness/Sadeness part 1? a. Extended Trance Mix b. Meditation Mix c. Violent US Remix d. I don't own or haven't heard this single 11. What is your favourite remix from Mea Culpa part II? a. Fading Shades Mix b. Orthodox Version c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 12. What is your favourite remix from Principles of Lust? a. Omen Mix b. Jazz Mix c. Everlasting Lust Mix d. I don't own or haven't heard this single 13. What is your favourite remix from Return to Innocence? a. Long & Alive Version b. 380 Midnight Mix c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 14. What is your favourite remix from the EYES of Truth? a. Gotterdammerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods) b. Dub Version c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 15. What is your favourite remix from Age of Loneliness? a. Enigmatic Club Mix b. Jam & Spoon Reix c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 16. What is your favourite Enigma remix of all time? a. Extended Trance Mix of Sadness part 1 b. Meditation Mix of Sadness part 1 c. Violent US Remix of Sadness part 1 d. Fading Shades Mix of Mea Culpa part II e. Orthodox Version of Mea Culpa part II f. Omen Mix of Principles of Lust g. Jazz Mix of Principles of Lust h. Long & Alive Version of Return to Innocence i. 380 Midnight Mix of Return to Innocence j. Gotterdammerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods) of the EYES of Truth k. Dub Version of the EYES of Truth l. Enigmatic Club Mix of Age of Loneliness m. Jam & Spoon Remix of Age of Loneliness/Carly's Song n. I don't own or haven't heard any of the singles 17. What is your ONE biggest gripe about the singles from MCMXC a.D.? a. I didn't like any of the remixes b. I didn't like most of the remixes c. There were not enough remixes d. There were too many remixes e. All the remixes were done by the same person f. The remixes were too close to the original g. I had no gripes with the singles h. I don't own or haven't heard any singles from this album i. Other (please state) 18. What is your ONE biggest gripe about the singles from The CROSS of Changes? a. I didn't like any of the remixes b. I didn't like most of the remixes c. There were not enough remixes d. There were too many remixes e. Most of the remixes were done by the same people f. The remixes were too close to the original version g. There were too many different types of the same single released in different countries (eg - Limited Editions in the UK) h. It contained the album version of the track i. There were too many radio edits j. I had no gripes with the singles k. I don't own or haven't heard any singles from this album l. Other (please state) MISCELLANEOUS ------------- 19. Which of the following artists do you think most sounds like Enigma? a. B-Tribe b. Dead Can Dance c. Deep Forest d. In the Nursery e. Pascal Languirand f. Mouth Music g. Praise h. Vangelis i. Other (please state) 20. Which ONE of the following do you think best describes Enigma's music? a. Dance music with weird samples b. Gregorian chants with hip hop grooves c. New age d. Eastern traditional music using western technology e. European pop music f. Other (please state) 21. Which ONE of the following do you think best describes Michael Cretu? a. Genius with original ideas that are much needed in the music world b. Brilliant producer of various styles of music c. Plagiariser of ideas and/or samples and chants d. Nothing more than an electronics fiddler who gets the right sounds e. Other (please state) 22. Which ONE of the following styles of music would you most like Michael Cretu to try? a. Jazz b. Ambient/Space/Relaxation c. Dance (in the club sense of the word) d. Techno e. Soundtrack f. Reggae g. Orchestral h. Other (please state) EXTRAS ------ 23. Do you feel that a "Limited Edition" of "The CROSS of Changes" should be released? (Choose one of the below) a. Yes, containing the best mixes from each single released at the end of the standard album (as was the case for MCMXC a.D.) b. Yes, as above but with a separate disc with the extra tracks c. Yes, but with new material, not mixes Enigma fans already own d. Yes, but with only a special hologram cover and nothing else e. No, the CD is fine as it is and would only be wrecked with the extra tracks attatched f. No, it is nothing more than a marketing ploy and lowers my opinion of Virgin/EMI 24. Do you feel that "Out From the Deep" will be the next release? (Choose one of the below) a. Yes, and it will go Top 20 in most countries b. Yes, and it will go Top 40 in most countries c. Yes, and it will go Top 100 in most countries d. Yes, and it will fail in most countries e. No, another track will be released instead f. No, there will not be any more singles released 25. When do you expect to see the next Enigma album (excluding "Limited Edition" releases)? a. 1994 b. 1995 c. 1996 d. 1997 e. 1998 or beyond f. There will never be another Enigma album released Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 94 17:38:42 EDT From: RFORNO@american.edu Subject: FAQ To: enigma@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU Anyone have the FAQ for Enigma??? I've been riding a Enigma-trip this week,as I have played practically nothing else... Pls. post or email me directly. Thanks! Danke! Gracias! Gracia! rf rforno@american.edu______________________________________________________ Network Administrator 2LT, USAR-MI 1995 -- "Go Hard or Go Home!" Washington College of Law SAR Team Volunteer (1LT, CAP Team Leader) The Pentagon Is a Monument To Murphy's Law -- Finger for more info... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:17:00 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: FAQ To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > Anyone have the FAQ for Enigma??? I've been riding a Enigma-trip this week,as > I have played practically nothing else... Good choice of music! *grin* The FAQ is always located on the Enigma FTP site located at yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au - simply FTP to this site, log in as "anonymous" and leave your email address as a password. Then change to the listserv/enigma directory and you're there! Should you then wish to get the Enigma FAQ then change to the Enigma directory and you have TWO choices of FAQ to choose from: 1. The standard ASCII text version which has been there for months now and is regularly updated (recent additions include descriptions of all the music videos, Enigma sightings, and updated music similarities and chart results) File name: FAQ.txt 2. [NEW!!!] A compressed postscript version of the FAQ - the content of this FAQ is identical to 1. except that the layout is exceptionally better. You get headings, bold text, Enigma logos, tables, page numbering, and much more. It is this version of the FAQ that was sent to the record companies. I recommend this version over #1 - simply get it via FTP, uncompress it ("uncompress FAQ.ps.Z") and send it to a laser printer. File name: FAQ.ps.Z I put a lot of effort into the postscript version of the FAQ to make it look just right - it is well worth your getting for future reference. Any feedback on it is also appreciated. Happy reading! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 15:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Douglas A Rubinson Subject: Hello To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Doug Rubinson 18 revolutions around the sun Enigma Collection: MCMXC, Enigma II, Carly's Song, Sadeness Single, Enigma The Videos I first heard Enigma in the summer of 91 (?) My favorite artists: Tori Amos, They Might Be Giants, Sonic Youth, Violent Femmes, Rene Magritte (surrealist painter) Doug Rubinson drazen@minerva.cis.yale.edu "The sun never sets on those who ride into it." -Shock Treatment "Frank, whose pool is it?" -Rocky Horror Picture Show "Why is there all this cheese on the floor" -Spanking the Monkey "Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads."-TMBG "Everybody lookin' at you, here take a hold of my hand." -Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1994 09:47:20 U From: "Antezana, Luis" Subject: Hello! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au My name is Luis D. Antezana and I'm 26 years old. I live in Seattle, Washington, where I produce and remix dance music. I graduated from SMU in '90 with a Bachelor's in Business Administration and emphases in entrepreneurship and music composition. I mostly remix for Factor 3 Records, a national DJ-only remix service. I also occasionally remix for Eurodisque, a service based in the Philippines. Since May '93 I've remixed New Order, Sheila E, Robin S, Gabrielle (twice), Hope, and The Other Two. I have produced original songs by two bands here in Seattle and have had 5 straight number one songs by them on the local dance music station, KNHC 89.5 FM. I work under the name Lucky Lou. My Enigma collection is small, consisting of the two albums, although the first is a special edition (hologram cover, extra remixes) which I bought while in Vienna. I first heard Enigma on KNHC. It's very good at playing a wide variety of dance music, including album cuts that are not singles. What made me know I would love the first album was when I heard Michael Cretu was the brains behind the project. I LOVED Hubert KaH's Sound of My Heart album, and I liked several of Sandra's singles, all of which he produced. I ended up loving Enigma, who seem to be the only survivng project here in the States. Other artists I like are Depeche Mode, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, Madonna, (are you starting to get the idea?), Beastie Boys, Vangelis. I like a ton of dance music singles but I can't reallly say I'm INTO any other artists because they have only released like one or two songs ever. My only encounter with the band was in Miami in '92. I was in town for Winter Music Conference, the US's dance music inductry convention. I met Enigma's manager (can't remember her name right now!) and we hung out a some clubs together. That's it! By the way, in September I will be appearing on a brand new service called Evolution. I hope this wasn't too long. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 10:34:29 -0700 From: darose@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Darren Rose) Subject: hello everybody To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Guten Tag, fellow Enigma fans! I'm Darren, hailing from Southern California. I first heard Sandra ("Maria Magdalena," her 15-week #1 single, is one of my all-time favorite tunes) and hubbie Michael Cretu were up to something in December of 1990, as "Sadeness" zoomed to #1 in DER MUSIKMARKT, Germany's BILLBOARD. I own both 1990 AD, the single "Sadeness," and their new album, with "Return To Innocence." My favorite artists (1-2-3) are: Europe, Richard Marx, and Nik Kershaw. Well, I guess that's it 4 my intro. BTW, I'm 19, & a second year student in 20th century-American History @ UCSD. Aufwiederhoren! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Sep 94 11:46:15 -0400 From: "Doug MacKay" Subject: Hi! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au OK folks... here goes... all in one big message... First the requested intros. I'm from Bedford, Nova Scotia, Canada. My vastly extensive Enigma collection includes both albums on tape. Other artists I enjoy include Counting Crows (their debut release is a rather interesting anti to Enigma), Seal, Paul Simon (mostly his last two albums) and a Canadian success story called The Barenaked Ladies (don't ask). Second order of business: my favorite Enigma tune, I Love You... I'll Kill You. This seems to be a rather open-to-interpretation track. Any opinions? Next up, the Cross of Changes album cover. On the cassette edition, on each panel of the cover, there's a symbol, in a circle (I'm not sure if they're on the CD). There are nine symbols, perhaps in correlation with the nine songs. I think the FAQ suggests that there may be one for each major religion. Any other ideas? And finally, back to the first album, I've been having a little trouble making out the lyrics to Rivers of Belief. The second verse runs (I think) as follows. Take me back To the rivers of belief Take me back To the rivers of belief, my friend And look inside ny heart And look inside my soul I'm reaching out for you (can't make it out) Where is the peace On the rivers of belief? Corrections? Know what the missing line is? Interpretations? Let's hear 'em. Thanx. ------------- Joseph MacKay Halifax, NS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:26:34 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Hi! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Sep 18, 11:46am, "Doug MacKay" wrote: > Next up, the Cross of Changes album cover. On the cassette > edition, on each panel of the cover, there's a symbol, in a circle > (I'm not sure if they're on the CD). There are nine symbols, perhaps > in correlation with the nine songs. I think the FAQ suggests > that there may be one for each major religion. Any other ideas? If you look at the drawings for each track you'll see that the number of sides corresponds to the number of the track. The first track has a circle, the second a two-sided triangle (hmm...), the fourth a square etc. > And finally, back to the first album, I've been having a > little trouble making out the lyrics to Rivers of Belief. The second > verse runs (I think) as follows. > > Take me back > To the rivers of belief > Take me back > To the rivers of belief, my friend > And look inside ny heart > And look inside my soul > I'm reaching out for you > (can't make it out) "And to protect"? > Where is the peace > On the rivers of belief? > > Corrections? Know what the missing line is? Interpretations? > Let's hear 'em. This theme is similar to the one found in 'Return To Innocence'. Some of the sentences are even the same ("Just look into your heart my friend" - RTI). As for the interpretation, it is a theme for seeking into oneself, for consolation, and for a 'return to innocence' I guess. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:23:25 -0400 From: "Doug MacKay" Subject: Hi! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Mon, 19 Sep 1994 18:50:12 -0500, dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca wrote: >From: joarg@hsr.no >Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:26:34 +0200 >X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.2 3/26/91) >To: ENIGMA Distribution List >Subject: Re: Hi! >Errors-To: enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Reply-To: ENIGMA Distribution List >X-Sequence: 473 > Joar Grimstvedt wrote: >> Next up, the Cross of Changes album cover. On the cassette >> edition, on each panel of the cover, there's a symbol, in a circle >> (I'm not sure if they're on the CD). There are nine symbols, perhaps >> in correlation with the nine songs. I think the FAQ suggests >> that there may be one for each major religion. Any other ideas? > >If you look at the drawings for each track you'll see that the number >of sides corresponds to the number of the track. The first track has >a circle, the second a two-sided triangle (hmm...), the fourth a square >etc. > I'm afraid those arent the symbols I'm talking about. Actually those ones don't appear on the tape edition, which I have. However, there is a set of diagram-like symboles faded in behind the printed lyrics. There are nine of them, perhaps coresponding to the songs. Sometime the imagery reflects the song (assuming they appear in numeric order), some times they seem to hold the "feel" of the song and sometimes their completely unrelated. any ideas? >> And finally, back to the first album, I've been having a >> little trouble making out the lyrics to Rivers of Belief. The second >> verse runs (I think) as follows. >> >> Take me back >> To the rivers of belief >> Take me back >> To the rivers of belief, my friend >> And look inside ny heart >> And look inside my soul >> I'm reaching out for you >> (can't make it out) > >"And to protect"? "And hope remains"? "And don't forget"? All I can pake out for sure is the "and". > >> Where is the peace >> On the rivers of belief? >> >> Corrections? Know what the missing line is? Interpretations? >> Let's hear 'em. > >This theme is similar to the one found in 'Return To Innocence'. Some >of the sentences are even the same ("Just look into your heart my friend" >- RTI). As for the interpretation, it is a theme for seeking into >oneself, for consolation, and for a 'return to innocence' I guess. > I've just dropped a note to one Jessica Olson, via the list. You can read it there. I'd have written it here, but it's a little involved. :) > >Joar > >-- ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream" -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 14:02:49 +0800 (WST) From: Jamie P Yoon Subject: I Look vs And Look To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hmmm... I really suggest its "I Look inside my Heart" vs "And Look inside Heart" because: The lyric bite is: "I/And look inside my heart" "I look inside my soul" I think it's agreed that the second line is, _I_ look inside my soul. Therefore, I think the line above should be _I_ look inside my heart, coz it matches.. (Rhyme and meter and all of that ;) ). It does sound more consistent this way though *shrug*, but hey, it sounds good all the same! Regards, Jamie -- | Jamie P. Yoon, Apple Student Rep, University of WA _-_|\ | | PowerBook powered, IIgs fanatic, and.... / OZ | | | INTERNET JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I live here =======> X_.-._/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 09:00:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Semon Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, my name is Alan Semon from PA, USA. Having heard Enigma for the first time 1 month ago (I'm 35 and obviously musically deprived :)) I instantly purchased the two CD's I could find. I'm not really a big fan of singles so I only purchased the 2 complete CD's I saw listed at the CD Connection. The mix of the French singing, the Latin chants and the persistent disco-esque beat are combined into a sound which I have not heard before. Other groups I listen to include Enya, Clannad (anyone from the Brennan family seems to sound good to me (Maire included)), Pink Floyd, Yes, and in a completely different vein: I Musici (a fantastic chamber orchestra). Al //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Life is a three letter word! AD&CS Alan Semon | | LogiChem Inc. | | asemon@esu.edu | //////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 10:42:24 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Introduction of myself (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: >From jolson@sqruhs.ruhs.uwm.edu Sun Sep 18 04:36:47 1994 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 12:36:26 -0600 From: jolson@sqruhs.ruhs.uwm.edu (jessica olson) Message-Id: <9409171836.AA02717@sqruhs.ruhs.uwm.edu> To: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Subject: Introduction of myself Hello, My name is Jessica Olson. I am 16 years old. I have been an Enigma fan for years and I am happy I am able to be joining with the group. I have both tapes. The first tape I have and the Cross of Changes I have the promontial copy released months before the release date to musis stores. The best tape I spent my money on. I also have 2 diffrent cassete singles of Saddness Pt. 1 the US versions. I first heard the group when the release of Saddness Pt.1 started to play on the radio and the video was on Mtv. I always liked Enigma because of the words and the heavy beats of the music. I like Al B. Sure, Sade, and other R&B artists. I also like Techno and house music. I am a high school student. I like to listen to music and work on the computer. I do that most of the time. :) This is my homework. Thank you for haveing this mailing list. I am hopeing to get an address to write the group or an E-mail address if they have one. Thank you, Jessica Olson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 16:28:29 -0700 From: bworrell@cclink.fhcrc.org (bworrell) Subject: Looking for Luis D. Antezana To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'm sorry to waste a message to the list for this but I am trying to get a hold of Luis D. Antezana. (Lucky Lou). I tried looking up the name in the list of recipients but couldn't find it. If you are out there then please give me your 3-mail address. Also, why doesn't the Enigma list give the address of the message writer? All I get is the Enigma distribution list address. (I'm not discounting the possibility that it is cc:mail that is doing this not the mailing list.) Thanks, Brandon Worrell bworrell@cclink.fhcrc.org Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:04:15 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Looking for Luis D. Antezana To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Brandon. > Also, why doesn't the Enigma list give the address of the message writer? All I > get is the Enigma distribution list address. (I'm not discounting the > possibility that it is cc:mail that is doing this not the mailing list.) The Enigma mailing list is actually set up not to say who the message is from in the headers - this was not my choice but the administrators of the mailing list software, Listserv..... Therefore it is hoped that all writers to the list put their name and email address at the end of their message. Alternatively, if you are using a mailing program such as Elm, just type 'h' to see the full list of headers. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 21:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Alan Lang Subject: Looking for Luis D. Antezana To: ENIGMA Distribution List Excerpts from mail.enigma: 21-Sep-94 Re: Looking for Luis D. Ant.. by Gavin Stok@aurora.cc.mon > From: Gavin Stok > Subject: Re: Looking for Luis D. Antezana > To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Date: Wed, 21 Sep 1994 11:04:15 +1000 (EST) > > The Enigma mailing list is actually set up not to say who the message is from > in the headers - this was not my choice but the administrators of the mailing > list software, Listserv..... Therefore it is hoped that all writers to the list > put their name and email address at the end of their message. Alternatively, > if you are using a mailing program such as Elm, just type 'h' to see the full > list of headers. Are you sure? The From: field in the messages I get correctly identifies the sender... --------------------------------------------------------- | Mark Lang | elistan+@cmu.edu | elistan@metronet.com | --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 14:17:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Devon Nelson Subject: Looking for Luis D. Antezana To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 21 Sep 1994, Gavin Stok wrote: > Hi Brandon. > > > Also, why doesn't the Enigma list give the address of the message writer? All I > > get is the Enigma distribution list address. (I'm not discounting the > > possibility that it is cc:mail that is doing this not the mailing list.) > > The Enigma mailing list is actually set up not to say who the message is from > in the headers - this was not my choice but the administrators of the mailing > list software, Listserv..... Therefore it is hoped that all writers to the list > put their name and email address at the end of their message. Alternatively, > if you are using a mailing program such as Elm, just type 'h' to see the full > list of headers. > Or if you use Pine you do get to see the address.... Rainith +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |So you can make me cum, that doesn't make you Jesus. -Tori Amos, | | Precious Things | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |My whole existance is flawed, You get me closer to god. -NiN, Closer | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |The universe is over. It's my job to to put it all in order, now, | | and lock the place behind me as I leave. -Death, Books of Magic 4 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | e-mail: rainith@u.washington.edu | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 18:24:06 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album (review) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Enigma: MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album VVD 979 1991 Vision Video Ltd. (c) 1991 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH VHS Hi-Fi Stereo, Dolby System (on linear tracks) Running time: 40:23 (40:04 with music) I. The Voice Of Enigma II. Principles Of Lust A: Sadeness B: Find Love C: Sadeness (Reprise) III. Callas Went Away IV. Mea Culpa V. The Voice & The Snake VI. Knocking On Forbidden Doors VII. Back To The Rivers Of Belief A: Way To Eternity B: Hallelujah C: The Rivers Of Belief Produced by Enigma Compilation directed by Howard Greenhalgh Produced by Megan Hollister Sadeness Part I Director: Michael Guimbard - Producer: Thierry Sadoun Une2Plus 19, Rue de Vintimille 75009 Paris Mea Culpa Part II (*) Director: Howard Greenhalgh - Producer: Pam James Principles Of Lust (*) Director: Howard Greenhalgh - Producer: Megan Hollister [Note: In the video credits it lists Pam James as the producer.] The Rivers Of Belief (*) Director: Howard Greenhalgh - Producer: Megan Hollister (*) Why Not Films, Studio 15, 10-11 Archer Street, London W1V 7HG Design: LMP - Illustrations: H. P. Uertz This is a very delicate video. The soothing and sensual music of Enigma is visualised with pictures of mystical places and personas, the colours are very warm and gentle, and the various scenes are overlayed and superimposed and mostly played at slow motion. The basis for this video album is the four videos produced for Sadeness Part I, Mea Culpa Part II, Principles Of Lust and The Rivers Of Belief. Images from these videos are used for the other musical pieces, together with other material. I'll cover the video from the beginning to the end. There is no introduction, it starts right on with the music. You see various scenes and images, images which you will encounter as the video evolves. Of the more impressive of these is a scene from the coast, with the camera being at sea level. The camera zooms in to a person standing with a sword at the edge of a steep cliff. Sadeness Part I then comes up. This has a story to it, an apprentice sitting in a dark room writing with a feather pen on papyrus paper. He falls asleep and enters a dream world. In this world he is a red- robed person in the ruins of a cathedral. You see a pretty face saying 'Sade, dites-moi' and 'Sade, donnes-moi'. We follow this young man as he walks around the ruins, and as the song draws to an end, he suddenly awakes. The music now changes into new waters, literally. The beginning of Principles Of Lust is very floating and watery, we see a woman and a man under water, slimly dressed. Air bubbles are rising everywhere. As this part of the music builds on the image gets more and more blurry, and when the rhythm comes in we find a room full of very beautiful ladies. Amongst these amorous females walks a man. This is by far the most sensual of the videos. It shows one of the ladies and the man together, caressing and kissing eachother. As with much of the other video material, this has a dreamy and soft appearance. The reverse Gregorian chants leads us to Sadeness (Reprise). This video is very visual, with strong images. As the piano comes in, we see a wide brown-soiled valley, filmed from the air. We see a glacier, the perma-frozen land, geysers. Sadeness (Reprise) fades out, and the screen goes blank. The next we see is a the smokey output of a geyser, filmed at short range and shown with only a couple of frames a second. Together with the ambience from the music, this creates a very special atmosphere. In this video there's also some impressive images, a knight with a sword in front of a staircase waterfall, a woman also having a sword, standing in what seems to be a hot water source, an Indian boy jumping from a flooded temple and into the river, carriagemen. Mea Culpa Part II features a woman, and also a man, dancing, though we never see them together. There is a vague story to this video, with the woman being transported away in a carriage pulled by a bull. In other scenes we see her freedom, such as during the guitar part. The next track, The Voice & The Snake, is basically the rendition set to some mystical background. We see the mouth of the person speaking, and this mouth is duplicated around the screen. As this track fades out, we see fire. Intense, burning flames. A reflective sphere is in the middle, and the flames are faded away to reveal a woman holding this sphere which turns out to be the source of the flames. A change of scenes gives us the young man from Sadeness knocking on a door, then the knight stabbing his sword to the ground, with finally the girl in the water doing the same, all in sync with the knockings from the music. The song then plays through, to give way to the metronomic ticking of Way To Eternity. This piece brings us to the majestic architecture of Ramses the Second, in Egypt. A man walks in front of the enormous temples. Hallelujah celebrates the freedom of the woman which we know from Mea Culpa. She runs through the mellow garden of trees, and the atmosphere is very soft and airy. This track leads us to the conclusion of the album, The Rivers Of Belief. Although this is one of the videos directed to be a stand- alone, the images we find here are already familiar since they've been used throughout the video album. Of particularly strong impact are the scenes of the Indian boy jumping in the flooded river, an Indian girl dressed in blue praying, and a Medieval person swaying his fireball. The first time I saw this video it gave me quite a shock. After seeing all these beautiful and soft scenes, the impressive images and beautiful ladies, it scared me to see Michael Cretu himself during the chorus. To suddenly see the man behind all this fantastic and enormous music, was something I will remember from this first viewing. This video made me go to the encyclopedias searching under the keywords of Egypt, India, Iceland, geyser, pyramids, temple, and others, trying to find some of the many images displayed in the video. You can imagine my sheer joy when, while looking under Iceland, I found one of the sites - Gullfoss. This is the staircase falls which the knight with the sword has as a background. Translated into English the name means Golden Falls, and is indeed impressive. Watching this video album, played on a decent sound system and displayed on a large screen, would be something akin to the ultimate experience. It is just a fabulous piece. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Sep 94 12:11:55 CDT From: Jim English Subject: MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album (review) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) This sounds very cool, is there any way I could get a copy? Hi-Fi? I would be very very appreciative. :):):) -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 17:55:39 GMT-1100 From: Nelson da Fonte Subject: MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album (review) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this video here in Australia?? I've been looking everywhere with no luck. Any help would be really appreciated. Thanks!!! ------------------------------------------------------------- Remember the Shaman, when he used to say: "Man is the dream of the dolphin" - ENIGMA napir1@mfs01.cc.monash.edu.au Nelson da Fonte ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 21:26:43 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album (review) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Nelson.... > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this video here in > Australia?? I've been looking everywhere with no luck. It was never released in Australia (it is perhaps the only Enigma item that wasn't!) but instead only in the UK and Europe.... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 09:44:05 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album (review) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) >> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of this video here in >> Australia?? I've been looking everywhere with no luck. > > It was never released in Australia (it is perhaps the only Enigma item > that wasn't!) but instead only in the UK and Europe.... And Japan. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Techno techno bloody *techno*, darling!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 14:31:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "" Subject: MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album (review) To: ENIGMA Distribution List how about here in the U.S.? -Cliff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 18:53:22 +0000 From: csb1@engr.engr.uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Mea Culpa II Us Single - For Trade To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I've got an extra copy of the US Mea Culpa Part II CD single in the digipack for trade... I'm looking for the European "Principles of Lust" with the Jazz Mix... Or the Rivers of Belief single... Chris -- ============================================================================== csb1@engr.uark.edu | Chris Bray cbray@comp.uark.edu | University of Arkansas, Fayetteville cbray@nyx.cs.du.edu | WWW: http://www.engr.uark.edu/~csb1 ============================================================================== I guess we were all guilty, in a way. We all shot him, we all skinned him, and we all got a complimentary bumper sticker that said, "I Helped Skin Bob." ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 18:48:10 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: News! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all...... Some great news and stuff for you all: 1. "Age of Loneliness" was last seen shooting up the UK charts from #34 to #21 2. Sandra's new album is due out in Europe in February, 1995 3. For Australians, "MCMXC a.D. 'The Limited Edition'" is available from Sanity and Delta for $19.95, and "The CROSS of Changes" is available from most Myer and Grace Bros. stores for $19.95 4. I have heard from a record company source that it is expected by most for "Out From the Deep" to be the next Enigma release. Still no word, however, on whether a limited edition version of the album is expected. 5. Old Sandra press kits will be transcribed and offered to the list in the near future 6. 13 people have thus far answered the first annual Enigma survey - this is less then 10% of all members on the list, so please keep your replies coming in (email me if you need a copy of the survey) In other news, I got to see the "Age of Loneliness" music video on Video Hits this morning. As Nelson described, it is set in an urban setting (looks like New York) with a variation of sequences showing busy settings with people seemingly "floating" above them. For Nelson it symbolised loneliness, but I am not sure of this. Perhaps it was some link to astral projection or something, I'm not entirely sure (I doubt Nelson's claims because if they were lonely, they wouldn't look as cheery as they did!). As for how they did the floating effect, it was simply a case of putting clothed people in water and filming them, then super-imposing this image on the urban setting. Other visuals included a range of close ups of people's faces or other parts of their body, and a lady singing the lyrics (it was NOT Sandra or anyone seen in music videos from the past album). For my liking it was nowhere near as good as "Return to Innocence" (which I think is an awesome music video), but is original none-the-less. That's all for now! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 12:57:47 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: News! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > I have heard from a record company source that it is expected by most > for "Out From the Deep" to be the next Enigma release. As mentioned earlier, it was issued as a promo single (no mixes, just an edit) alongside Age Of Loneliness. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 94 12:40:31 CDT From: Jim English Subject: original or copy of MCMXC a.D. the Video Album (WANTED) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) hi all, I really really want an original or copy of the MCMXC Video album. I have stuff I could trade for a copy (or $$), or $$ for an original. Thanks for any help. -jim P.S. VHS is the same the world over right? -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa just _wishes_ the thoughts expressed by me reflected their thoughts. "Aw man, the Doobie Brothers broke up! Shit. When did that happen?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 1994 11:57:44 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: original or copy of MCMXC a.D. the Video Album (WANTED) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > hi all, I really really want an original or copy of the MCMXC Video album. > P.S. VHS is the same the world over right? Wrong. US/Japan use NTSC, UK/Oz/etc. use PAL, France/etc. use SECAM. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 10:51:33 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Record Company Correspondence To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. As you have been aware, at the start of August I sent off the FAQ and a letter to Enigma's record company in Europe, Australia, the UK, and the US. Here is an update of what's happened: 1. A gentleman from Virgin UK wrote to me via internet to say that the package had arrived. He was impressed with the FAQ and notified me that the record company currently has a range of ideas of where to take Enigma (he did not go into any more detail). I have replied to his message but as yet heard no reply. 2. I received a snail-mail letter yesterday from Virgin UK signed by the International Marketing Director. It went as follows: "Dear Gavin, Thank you for your letter of August 8th which was passed to me by Jeremy Silver in our Press Office. I am glad that you are a big fan of Enigma and I am sure your discussion group is very beneficial in spreading the work. Enigma, as you know, is based in Germany and is signed to our German Company. I feel that it would be most beneficial for you to correspond directly with them from now on, and I am passing your document to Anja Shiegl in Munich...." All in all, a pass on to Germany (who were sent a copy along with a letter to Michael Cretu) with unfortunately no future desired contact with them despite the fact that the UK has some limited edition items only available in their country. I still hope to maintain email contact if possible however. I am yet to hear from any other countries, but anticipate replies in the next few weeks. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au PS - Good to see more surveys coming in..... keep up the good work! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 13:21:09 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Repost of Enigma survey #1 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. Since it's half way through the month I thought I'd repost the first annual Enigma survey for those of you who missed it at the start of the month. I thank the following people for voting thus far: 1. Dutch 2. Althea 3. Matt the Ripper 4. jlmarang 5. Nelson da Fonte 6. Anirvan Chaterjee 7. The Silicon Avatar 8. Jim English 9. JamesG2 10. Bjorn Ericsson 11. Tomaz Logar 12. Dan Kressin 13. Donald Peterson 14. Claudio Tinnirello 15. Mark Conklin 16. Mary Frisby 17. George Feil 18. Pavel Groisman 19. system@assist (!) 20. Video&H/Copy Sales 21. Anand Krishnaswamy 22. Ber Lo 23. Joarg Grimstvedt 24. Brandon Worrell Unfortunately this only represents 15% of the total members of this list. So, as an incentive for the rest of you to vote I am pleased to announce that one lucky voter will be given the opportunity to get the Australian Digipak version of "the EYES of Truth" (the Digipak packaging is exclusive to Australia, and this track was never released in the US). Due to being a poor student and currently having no record company backing (although this is hoped to change!), the winner will have to arrange a trade with me for some single in the US..... But none the less, this is a rare opportunity to perhaps win a hard-to-find disc while at the same time supporting the Enigma mailing list and further helping to obtain record company contact.... So spend the time to record 25 lousy letters on a piece of paper - it's that easy to VOTE!!!! _____ | |___ _ _ __ __ | |\ | | / __ |\/| |__| |______ | \| _|_ \__/ | | | | SURVEY FOR 1994 Yes it's the first annual Enigma survey, held at the beginning of September each year (I hope!). Below are questions on most facets of Enigma's music, Michael Cretu, and your ideas on different topics. IT IS HOPED FOR THE RESULTS OF THIS SURVEY TO BE DISCUSSED WITH RECORD COMPANY OFFICIALS so please respond! Instructions: 1. Do NOT simply reply to this message since it will go to enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au which is the WRONG reply address. 2. To reply to the survey, simply send a 1 line reply to enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with the 25 characters corresponding to your answer from each question below. 3. Should you wish to add any other information (such as the "Other" information from questions 5-6, 17-22) feel free to do so below this first line. Any suggestions or comments are also welcome. All surveys must be in by the end of September. Results will be collected and analysed only by the owners of the list, and results be will reported to the list in mid-October. PLEASE take the effort to respond to this survey since the results will not only be interesting to everyone, but may also help us to establish regular contact with Enigma's record companies world-wide. ALBUMS ------ 1. What is your favourite album by Enigma? a. MCMXC a.D. b. MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition" c. The CROSS of Changes d. I don't own or haven't heard any of these albums 2. What is your favourite track from MCMXC a.D.? a. The Voice of Enigma b. Sadeness c. Find Love d. Sadeness (Reprise) e. Callas Went Away f. Mea Culpa g. The Voice & the Snake h. Knocking on Forbidden Doors i. Way to Eternity j. Hallelujah k. The Rivers of Belief l. I don't own or haven't heard this album 3. What is your favourite track from the CROSS of Changes? a. Second Chapter b. The Eyes of Truth c. Return to Innocence d. I Love You...I'll Kill You e. Silent Warrior f. The Dream of the Dolphin g. Age of Loneliness (Carly's Song) h. Out from the Deep i. The CROSS of Changes j. I don't own or haven't heard this album 4. What is your favourite track from all albums and soundtracks? a. The Voice of Enigma b. Sadeness c. Find Love d. Sadeness (Reprise) e. Callas Went Away f. Mea Culpa g. The Voice & the Snake h. Knocking on Forbidden Doors i. Way to Eternity j. Hallelujah k. The Rivers of Belief l. Carly's Song m. Second Chapter n. The Eyes of Truth o. Return to Innocence p. I Love You...I'll Kill You q. Silent Warrior r. Dream of the Dolphin s. Age of Loneliness (Carly's Song) t. Out from the Deep u. The CROSS of Changes v. I don't own or haven't heard any of the albums or soundtracks 5. What is your ONE biggest gripe about MCMXC a.D.? a. It goes for too shorter a time b. It goes for too longer a time c. The music all sounds the same d. The same samples are used too often e. Too many samples are "stolen" from other artists f. "Limited Edition" releases wreck the overall feel of the original album g. I have no gripes about the albums h. I don't own or haven't heard this album i. Other (please state) 6. What is your ONE biggest gripe about The CROSS of Changes? a. It goes for too shorter a time b. It goes for too longer a time c. The music all sounds the same d. The same samples are used too often e. Too many samples are "stolen" from other artists f. It is too different and therefore not as good as MCMXC a.D. g. It has too much of an Eastern influence in its sound h. I have no gripes about the album i. I don't own or haven't heard this album j. Other (please state) SINGLES ------- 7. What is your favourite single from MCMXC a.D.? a. Sadness/Sadeness part 1 b. Mea Culpa part II c. Principles of Lust d. Rivers of Belief e. I don't own or haven't heard this album 8. What is your favourite single from The CROSS of Changes thus far? a. Return to Innocence b. the EYES of Truth c. Age of Loneliness d. I don't own or haven't heard this album 9. What is your favourite single from all albums and soundtracks? a. Sadness/Sadeness part 1 b. Mea Culpa part II c. Principles of Lust d. Rivers of Belief e. Carly's Song f. Return to Innocence g. the EYES of Truth h. Age of Loneliness i. I don't own or haven't heard any of the singles 10. What is your favourite remix from Sadness/Sadeness part 1? a. Extended Trance Mix b. Meditation Mix c. Violent US Remix d. I don't own or haven't heard this single 11. What is your favourite remix from Mea Culpa part II? a. Fading Shades Mix b. Orthodox Version c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 12. What is your favourite remix from Principles of Lust? a. Omen Mix b. Jazz Mix c. Everlasting Lust Mix d. I don't own or haven't heard this single 13. What is your favourite remix from Return to Innocence? a. Long & Alive Version b. 380 Midnight Mix c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 14. What is your favourite remix from the EYES of Truth? a. Gotterdammerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods) b. Dub Version c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 15. What is your favourite remix from Age of Loneliness? a. Enigmatic Club Mix b. Jam & Spoon Reix c. I don't own or haven't heard this single 16. What is your favourite Enigma remix of all time? a. Extended Trance Mix of Sadness part 1 b. Meditation Mix of Sadness part 1 c. Violent US Remix of Sadness part 1 d. Fading Shades Mix of Mea Culpa part II e. Orthodox Version of Mea Culpa part II f. Omen Mix of Principles of Lust g. Jazz Mix of Principles of Lust h. Long & Alive Version of Return to Innocence i. 380 Midnight Mix of Return to Innocence j. Gotterdammerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods) of the EYES of Truth k. Dub Version of the EYES of Truth l. Enigmatic Club Mix of Age of Loneliness m. Jam & Spoon Remix of Age of Loneliness/Carly's Song n. I don't own or haven't heard any of the singles 17. What is your ONE biggest gripe about the singles from MCMXC a.D.? a. I didn't like any of the remixes b. I didn't like most of the remixes c. There were not enough remixes d. There were too many remixes e. All the remixes were done by the same person f. The remixes were too close to the original g. I had no gripes with the singles h. I don't own or haven't heard any singles from this album i. Other (please state) 18. What is your ONE biggest gripe about the singles from The CROSS of Changes? a. I didn't like any of the remixes b. I didn't like most of the remixes c. There were not enough remixes d. There were too many remixes e. Most of the remixes were done by the same people f. The remixes were too close to the original version g. There were too many different types of the same single released in different countries (eg - Limited Editions in the UK) h. It contained the album version of the track i. There were too many radio edits j. I had no gripes with the singles k. I don't own or haven't heard any singles from this album l. Other (please state) MISCELLANEOUS ------------- 19. Which of the following artists do you think most sounds like Enigma? a. B-Tribe b. Dead Can Dance c. Deep Forest d. In the Nursery e. Pascal Languirand f. Mouth Music g. Praise h. Vangelis i. Other (please state) 20. Which ONE of the following do you think best describes Enigma's music? a. Dance music with weird samples b. Gregorian chants with hip hop grooves c. New age d. Eastern traditional music using western technology e. European pop music f. Other (please state) 21. Which ONE of the following do you think best describes Michael Cretu? a. Genius with original ideas that are much needed in the music world b. Brilliant producer of various styles of music c. Plagiariser of ideas and/or samples and chants d. Nothing more than an electronics fiddler who gets the right sounds e. Other (please state) 22. Which ONE of the following styles of music would you most like Michael Cretu to try? a. Jazz b. Ambient/Space/Relaxation c. Dance (in the club sense of the word) d. Techno e. Soundtrack f. Reggae g. Orchestral h. Other (please state) EXTRAS ------ 23. Do you feel that a "Limited Edition" of "The CROSS of Changes" should be released? (Choose one of the below) a. Yes, containing the best mixes from each single released at the end of the standard album (as was the case for MCMXC a.D.) b. Yes, as above but with a separate disc with the extra tracks c. Yes, but with new material, not mixes Enigma fans already own d. Yes, but with only a special hologram cover and nothing else e. No, the CD is fine as it is and would only be wrecked with the extra tracks attatched f. No, it is nothing more than a marketing ploy and lowers my opinion of Virgin/EMI 24. Do you feel that "Out From the Deep" will be the next release? (Choose one of the below) a. Yes, and it will go Top 20 in most countries b. Yes, and it will go Top 40 in most countries c. Yes, and it will go Top 100 in most countries d. Yes, and it will fail in most countries e. No, another track will be released instead f. No, there will not be any more singles released 25. When do you expect to see the next Enigma album (excluding "Limited Edition" releases)? a. 1994 b. 1995 c. 1996 d. 1997 e. 1998 or beyond f. There will never be another Enigma album released Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Sep 94 22:57:14 CDT From: DIGR Subject: Request for US information To: ENIGMA Distribution List I hope this is what you want: I am copying this information directly from the cover. Enigma "MONK" available on: T-Shirt 100% Cotton heavyweight. White/Black. Large/X-Large. $15.00 Sweatshirt 9 oz heavyweight, set-in sleeve, 50/50 poly/cotton. White/Black. Large/X-Large $25.00 Sweatshirt 11 oz heavyweight, set-in sleeve, 95/5 cotton/poly. White/Black. Large/X-Large $35.00 Please add $3.00 for shipping and handling. Send check or money order (please do not send cash) to: Guys Tees 824 Suber Street Columbia, S.C. 29205 (Please allow 3-4 weeks for delivery) Enjoy. Dawn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 1994 12:44:33 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Request for US information To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day! Can anyone who has the US edition of "The CROSS of Changes" please mail me at gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with all the information about merchandise you can obtain - the supplier, full descriptions of the merchandise, and prices. Thanks in advance, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 1994 13:05:18 -0600 From: jolson@sqruhs.ruhs.uwm.edu (jessica olson) Subject: Rivers of Belief To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I was working on it.. I wrote the whole song out.. In the seconded verse I Got this.... 1) Take me back to the rivers of belief Take me back to the rivers of belief, my friend And look inside my heart And look inside my soul I promise you I will be just And when the lamb opened the seventh seal silence hovered the sky 2) Take me back to the rivers of belief Take me back to the rivers of belief, my friend And look inside my heart I'll look inside my soul I'm watching out for you And hope pertains Where was the peace on the rivers of belief? I hope this helps... If you hear diffrent or the words are right or any interpretations.... Let me know.. :) Jessica Olson Milwaukee, WI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:24:17 -0400 From: "Doug MacKay" Subject: Rivers of Belief To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 20 Sep 1994 13:05:18 -0600, jessica olson wrote: I've inserted a few note where I hear differently. > >1) Take me back > to the rivers of belief > Take me back > to the rivers of belief, my friend > And look inside my heart > And look inside my soul > I promise you > I will be just (I hear somthing like "I will return" > > And when the lamb > opened the seventh seal > silence hovered ("covered"?) the sky > >2) Take me back > to the rivers of belief > Take me back > to the rivers of belief, my friend > And look inside my heart > I'll look inside my soul > I'm watching out for you > And hope pertains ("And hope remains" or "And don't forget" perhaps? This seems rather cloudy. The "And" is about the only sure thing for me.) > Where was the peace > on the rivers of belief? > > I hope this helps... If you hear diffrent or the words are right or any > interpretations.... Let me know.. :) > > Jessica Olson > Milwaukee, WI As for interpetations, Joar Grimstvedt suggested perhaps it was written along the same lines as "Return to Innocence", with wich I agree completely. To further that idea, consider the biblical quote in the middle. I'ts derivative of a Book of Revelation passage, which reads as follows: "And when he [the lamb] opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." Not only has he shortened this passage, he's cut a key eklement from it. Consider this: he could have said "Silence filled heaven" or some other such statement, but he chose to remove the word "heaven" completely. I would argue he did so to remove the religious context, as is suggested in the quote on the "Cross of Changes" album cover. "I looked into my heart and it was there that He dewlled; he was nowhere else to be found." One could argue that the presence of the lamb in the statement is religious context in itself, but I think it may simply be to have a statement recognisable enough to seen as a variation. But then, perhaps I'm reading into this a little deep.... ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream" -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:25:40 +0800 (WST) From: Jamie P Yoon Subject: Rivers of Belief To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au This is what I believe the lyrics to Rivers of Belief are: Take me back, to the rivers of belief. Take me back, to the rivers of belief, my friend. I look inside my heart.. I look inside my soul. I promise you, I will return.... And when the lamb opened the Seventh Seal, Silence.... covered the sky.... Take me back to the rivers of belief. Take me back, to the rivers of belief, my friend. I look inside my heart I look inside my soul. And reaching out for you... Let's hope one day.. We'll rest in peace, On my rivers of belief... I think it makes more sense? Regards, Jamie -- | Jamie P. Yoon, Apple Student Rep, University of WA _-_|\ | | PowerBook powered, IIgs fanatic, and.... / OZ | | | INTERNET JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I live here =======> X_.-._/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 94 21:09:52 -0400 From: "Doug MacKay" Subject: Rivers of Belief To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:25:40 +0800 (WST), Jamie P Yoon wrote: >This is what I believe the lyrics to Rivers of Belief are: > > >Take me back, to the rivers of belief. >Take me back, to the rivers of belief, my friend. >I look inside my heart.. I look inside my soul. >I promise you, I will return.... > >And when the lamb opened the Seventh Seal, >Silence.... covered the sky.... > >Take me back to the rivers of belief. >Take me back, to the rivers of belief, my friend. >I look inside my heart >I look inside my soul. >And reaching out for you... >Let's hope one day.. We'll rest in peace, >On my rivers of belief... > >I think it makes more sense? > >Regards, Jamie > >-- >| Jamie P. Yoon, Apple Student Rep, University of WA _-_|\ | >| PowerBook powered, IIgs fanatic, and.... / OZ | | >| INTERNET JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I live here =======> X_.-._/ | >+-----------------------------------------------------------------+ It makes a HECK of a lot more sense! I haven't had a chance to listen to the song a see if it works for my ears, but what I was hearing was: Where is the peace On the rivers of belief? Which couters the rest of the song. I wouldn't put it past Cretu to do shuch a thing, but he's used some pretty explicite, not to mention English lyrics in this track, and I think he may have felt rather strongely about it being understood. At least that's what I think. :) As for the "I look inside my heart", I fairly certain that the "I" is an "and". But then, that doesn't change the meaning of the song much. ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Sep 1994 18:54:22 +0000 From: csb1@engr.engr.uark.edu (Chris Bray) Subject: Rivers of Belief... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Is the extended version of "Rivers of Belief" on the CD single a different version that the extended version on the Ltd Edition of MCMXC ad? Or is it the same? Thanks, Chris -- ============================================================================== csb1@engr.uark.edu | Chris Bray cbray@comp.uark.edu | University of Arkansas, Fayetteville cbray@nyx.cs.du.edu | WWW: http://www.engr.uark.edu/~csb1 ============================================================================== In our yodeling class, we discourage new students from yodeling right off. You see, we *build* to that. ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 1994 18:12:45 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Rivers of Belief... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Chris. > Is the extended version of "Rivers of Belief" on the CD single a > different version that the extended version on the Ltd Edition > of MCMXC ad? Or is it the same? The single contains the extended version of the track, the limited edition contains "The Returning Silence" mix of the track. They ARE different, although I believe not very much (I unfortunately don't own the "Rivers of Belief" single but will accept donations! 8-]) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List Administrator) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 13:29:34 +0800 (WST) From: Jamie P Yoon Subject: Rivers of Belief: The Returning Silence To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au If you believe in light, its because of obscurity. If you believe in joy, its because of sadness. And if you believe in God, its because of the Devil. And when the Lamb opened the Seventh Seal, Silence covered the sky. - This is the spoken bit from Track 15, Rivers of Belief, The Returning Silence. There's a digital glitch at 3:47 on this. (I've heard numerous copies of the CD, and they all have it). -- | Jamie P. Yoon, Apple Student Rep, University of WA _-_|\ | | PowerBook powered, IIgs fanatic, and.... / OZ | | | INTERNET JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I live here =======> X_.-._/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 1994 17:43:35 +1000 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Rivers of Belief: The Returning Silence To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > If you believe in light, its because of obscurity. > If you believe in joy, its because of sadness. > And if you believe in God, its because of the Devil. This section from the song is interesting, because some booklets of "MCMXC a.D." have quotes in them. From my 'Limited Edition' version of it are the following: "The path of excess leads to the tower of wisdom. (W.Blake) The pleasure of satisfying a savage instinct, undomesticated by the ego, is uncomparably much more intense than the one of satisfying a tamed instinct. The reason is becoming the enemy that prevents us from a lot of possibilities of pleasure. (S.Freud) *** If you believe in the light, it's because of obscurity. If you believe in *** happiness it's because of unhappiness, If you believe in God, then you have *** to believe in the Devil (Father X, Exorcist, Church of Notre Dame, Paris)" As you can see from the quote marked above with asterices, it is this quote used in "The Rivers of Belief" (but definitely not quoted word for word). > There's a digital glitch at 3:47 on this. (I've heard numerous copies of > the CD, and they all have it). I know the "glitch" you talk of - it is on my version too. However, an even worse glitch can be found on the single to "Mea Culpa part II". At 1:50 on the Orthodox Mix of the track is a major (annoying) glitch. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************