Enigma Digest November 1994 Volume 1 : Issue 11 Administrivia (2 msgs) Ambient albums (11 msgs) A new Enigma-like album. (3 msgs) Another new discovery C.o.C. Lim. Ed.- U.S. import CoC US. release info (4 msgs) Deep Forest Remixes (3 msgs) Delerium "Semantic Spaces" Delerium (Again...) Effects of Enigma Enchanted (3 msgs) Enchanted Review Enigma's MIDI files Enigma Laser Disc (2 msgs) Forwarded intro of Charles Wertz Further Enigma info. (Australia) Hellooooo!!! Hubert KaH's "Sound of my Heart" (4 msgs) Important administration note Inga and Anete Humpe Introduction Ltd. Ed. in UK (2 msgs) Ltd Ed Cross of Changes (2 msgs) MCMXC A.D. Limited MCMXC A.D. Limited appears to be available again (USA) Mea Culpa I and II (2 msgs) New Member Out From The Deep is OUT! (3 msgs) Patrick O'Hearn (3 msgs) REVIEW: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" (6 msgs) Review of the group "Enchanted" Special Edition is here (5 msgs) Special Edition is here (USA) Survey The cross of changes ltd.ed. The Enigma web page is back on again To those who requested an Enchanted review.... Whats This? (4 msgs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:33:27 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Administrivia To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Available now from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au is the monthly archive of the Enigma list for October 1994: /listserv/enigma/Enigma/archives/enigma1094.txt.Z The not-exactly-once-in-a-while member list: 88 edu US educational domain 47 com US commercial domain 9 au Australia 9 net Net domain 7 uk United Kingdom 6 ca Canada 6 se Sweden 4 org Organisational domain 3 us USA 2 nl Netherlands 2 no Norway 1 de Germany 1 fr France 1 gov US governmental domain 1 hk Hong Kong 1 hu Hungary 1 is Iceland 1 jp Japan 1 kr South Korea 1 mx Mexico 1 nz New Zealand 1 sg Singapore 1 si Slovenia 1 su Russia 1 za South Africa A total of 197 members, of which 72 are in digest mode Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:35:47 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Has anyone heard of a CD which has been out for a while called > "The Mask and the Mirror" by ..... McKillot. It is absolutly fabulous. > any of you that like Enya, will love this woman. She has a > Celtic/Spanish/Arabic flavor. Any takers? > Meph. *cough* Excuse me, but what's this got to do with Enigma???? This is the ENIGMA mailing list, not the ENYA newsgroup! :) Someone's always looking over your shoulder! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:20:31 +1000 (+1000) From: Panayiotis Panayi Subject: To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mon, 31 Oct 1994 fogelincc@pt.Cyanamid.COM wrote: > >Has anyone heard of a CD which has been out for a while called > >"The Mask and the Mirror" by ..... McKillot. > > You're talking about Loreena McKennitt's most recent album. > > Carl (fogelincc@pt.cyanamid.com) > > Yes. -Meph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:23:18 -0400 From: "------------" Subject: Ambient albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Greetings fellow Enigmites! This is a little off topic, but I'm looking to expand my music collection, and was wondering if anyone could recomend some decent Enigma-ish ambient music. Thanx. ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:29:52 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Ambient albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Joseph. > This is a little off topic, but I'm looking to expand my music > collection, and was wondering if anyone could recomend some decent > Enigma-ish ambient music. Thanx. Some albums I am listening to a lot now include (not all are ambient): Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" Deep Forest's "World Mix" Patrick O'Hearn's "Indigo" Hope this helps. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:52:57 -0800 From: bworrell@cclink.fhcrc.org (Brandon Worrell) Subject: Ambient albums To: ENIGMA Distribution List Joseph MacKay said: >This is a little off topic, but I'm looking to expand my music >collection, and was wondering if anyone could recomend some decent >Enigma-ish ambient music. Thanx. This brings up a question that I have been wondering about. I recently bought the ONE A.D. compilation album and really like it. Here is the track listing: Templeroy: Dubometer Pentatonik: Devotion G.O.L: Soma Holiday Banco de Gaia: Desert Wind Higher Intelligence Agency: Spectral A Positive Life: The Calling Sandoz: Beam Higher Intelligence Agency: Harmony Angel Banco de Gaia: Shanti Original Rockers: Mecca of Space A Positive Life: The Calling There was a large sticker on the front that said "AMBIENT". Is this true? Are these bands ambient? The reason I am wondering is that I bought two "Ambient" albums, Lifeforms and "The Best of Ambient Techno No. 4" (I think that's the title) and actually did not like them. I prefer a rhythmic beat. Consequently, I liked almost all the songs on One A.D. Should I change my thinking about Ambient? Thanks a lot..... Brandon Worrell bworrell@fhcrc.org Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:05:41 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Ambient albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > I bought two "Ambient" albums, Lifeforms and "The Best of Ambient Techno > No. 4" (I think that's the title) and actually did not like them. I > prefer a rhythmic beat. Consequently, I liked almost all the songs on > One A.D. Should I change my thinking about Ambient? Nowadays the term "ambient" means everything from background music (Eno's Music For Airports) to house music with synthwash over it (Enigma). I suspect a better word for what you're into is Trance. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:16:21 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Ambient Albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma List) bworrell@fhcrc.org said: >> I bought two "Ambient" albums, Lifeforms and "The Best of Ambient Techno >> No. 4" (I think that's the title) and actually did not like them. I >> prefer a rhythmic beat. Consequently, I liked almost all the songs on >> One A.D. Should I change my thinking about Ambient? Lazlo@rt66.com said: >Nowadays the term "ambient" means everything from background music (Eno's >Music For Airports) to house music with synthwash over it (Enigma). I >suspect a better word for what you're into is Trance. I think Trance is another word that has been widely (over)used and is open to a lot of (mis)interpretation. For example, Trance can refer to the German Hardtrance style, which is very different from the One A.D. groups. It can also refer to the stuff on Rumour Records' Trance compilation series, which again is very different, and the list goes on... If you want more stuff like One A.D.: The stuff on One A.D. is licensed from Beyond Records in London. They have a series called "Ambient Dub", which has volumes 1 thru 3 now. They are really outstanding if you like One A.D., and they have more tracks from the same groups (the same tracks in some cases). One of Bill Laswell's projects called Divination has a couple of albums called "Ambient Dub ...", which are also in a somewhat similar style. You might also check out the album "Hallucination Engine" by Material, which is another Bill Laswell project. I've found that Ambient Dub seems to be a fairly consistent (although not always perfect) definition of this kind of music, although I'm sure as more people try to jump on the bandwagon of popularity and commercialism, that term will also begin to get blurred. Ambient Dub is a variant of Reggae's dub style, but without the Jamaican reggae feel. So albums that just say "Dub" may actually be a different style entirely. Ambient, Trance and Dub are such broad terms that I find that I need more information. It's just for rough-tuning, to make sure I'm in the right part of the record store. Then I need more information to be able to home in on stuff I like. The best way to find similar stuff is to post to e-mail lists and ask for recommendations. Then try to listen to the stuff before you buy it. I wasted a lot of money on stuff before I started giving them a listen first. See if you can find a store in your area that lets you hear the stuff first. If not, I know EAR/Rational music has been talking about getting sound bites online, so you can hear them on your computer. Also, "hyperreal.com" has stuff you can FTP down. A good list is the "Ambient" list. Get info by sending "subscribe ambient" (or "subscribe ambient-digest") in the body of your message to "majordomo@hyperreal.com". They talk a lot about this kind of music. ob: Engima I bought Delerium's Semantic Spaces album recently, and was pleased to find another group that I like... but a bit disappointed on the one song (which Gavin pointed out in his excellent review) which so blatantly sampled Enigma and Deep Forest. They didn't even try to make it subtle! Other than that, I like it a lot. Don -- donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:44:08 -0400 From: "!" Subject: Ambient Albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:16:21 -0800, Don Gray wrote: >bworrell@fhcrc.org said: >>> I bought two "Ambient" albums, Lifeforms and "The Best of Ambient Techno >>> No. 4" (I think that's the title) and actually did not like them. I >>> prefer a rhythmic beat. Consequently, I liked almost all the songs on >>> One A.D. Should I change my thinking about Ambient? > >Lazlo@rt66.com said: >>Nowadays the term "ambient" means everything from background music (Eno's >>Music For Airports) to house music with synthwash over it (Enigma). I >>suspect a better word for what you're into is Trance. > >I think Trance is another word that has been widely (over)used and is open >to a lot of (mis)interpretation. For example, Trance can refer to the >German Hardtrance style, which is very different from the One A.D. groups. >It can also refer to the stuff on Rumour Records' Trance compilation >series, which again is very different, and the list goes on... > >If you want more stuff like One A.D.: The stuff on One A.D. is licensed >from Beyond Records in London. They have a series called "Ambient Dub", >which has volumes 1 thru 3 now. They are really outstanding if you like >One A.D., and they have more tracks from the same groups (the same tracks >in some cases). > >One of Bill Laswell's projects called Divination has a couple of albums >called "Ambient Dub ...", which are also in a somewhat similar >style. You might also check out the album "Hallucination Engine" by >Material, which is another Bill Laswell project. > >I've found that Ambient Dub seems to be a fairly consistent (although not >always perfect) definition of this kind of music, although I'm sure as more >people try to jump on the bandwagon of popularity and commercialism, that >term will also begin to get blurred. > >Ambient Dub is a variant of Reggae's dub style, but without the Jamaican >reggae feel. So albums that just say "Dub" may actually be a different >style entirely. > >Ambient, Trance and Dub are such broad terms that I find that I need more >information. It's just for rough-tuning, to make sure I'm in the right >part of the record store. Then I need more information to be able to home >in on stuff I like. Actually, I was referring (vaguely) to "Ambient Dance", a term I admit I know only from reviews on the Enigma WWW page. The general idea I got, was that it refered basicly to Enigma without the chants. Delerium also sounds like a fairly good example, although I haven't heard anything by them. Throw in Deep Forest and you get the idea... In other words stuff other than 2 Unlimited and Madonna dance remixes. ;-) While I'm at it, add Jeam Michel Jarre's Equinoxe to the non-list. I brutalized myself with it recently and lived (barely) to regret it. I suppose it must have seemed revelutionary at the time, but to me it sounds like new age fed though industrial destortion equiptment. And on that hight note...:) -------------------------------- Doug MacKay The Daily News Halifax (902)468-1222 dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 23:52:03 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Ambient Albums To: ENIGMA Distribution List > I bought Delerium's Semantic Spaces album recently, and was pleased to find > another group that I like... but a bit disappointed on the one song (which > Gavin pointed out in his excellent review) which so blatantly sampled > Enigma and Deep Forest. They didn't even try to make it subtle! Other > than that, I like it a lot. > > Don > > -- > donpierr@netcom.com Hi, Just wondering, which was your favorite track? And how many stars would you rate it? Also, do you know of any other groups that produce music similar to Flowers Become Screens (track 1)? I particularly liked the chorus although it sounded a bit on the "pop-music" side. Talk to you later. -Alex adedios@fas.harvard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:34:15 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Ambient Albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. [Re: Delerium's "Semantic SPaces"] > Just wondering, which was your favorite track? And how many stars would > you rate it? Also, do you know of any other groups that produce music > similar to Flowers Become Screens (track 1)? I particularly liked the > chorus although it sounded a bit on the "pop-music" side. My favourite track off the album is "Incantation", although "Flatlands" and "Gateway" are also very good. I would give the album a 9 out of 10. If you haven't seen it already, I wrote a large review about this album a few weeks ago. It is available at yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au:/listserv/enigma/Enigma/reviews/Semantic.txt I'm afraid I can't think of any music similar to what you're after. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 19:52:26 -0400 From: "------------" Subject: Ambient albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:29:52 +1100 (EST), Gavin Stok wrote: >Hi Joseph. > >> This is a little off topic, but I'm looking to expand my music >> collection, and was wondering if anyone could recomend some decent >> Enigma-ish ambient music. Thanx. > > Some albums I am listening to a lot now include (not all are ambient): > >Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" >Deep Forest's "World Mix" >Patrick O'Hearn's "Indigo" Gavin, Deep Forest I've got (Although not World Mix)... Delerium I'm looking into (I've read your review)... Patrick O'Hearn I've never heard of. Who is he? What the heck does he do in this ever confusing state of pop music??????? :-) While I'm on the line, what do you know about Enchanted? Is it worth fourteen bucks for a tape? (I'm too primative for CD.) And finally, do you know if any follow-up Deep Forest project is in the works? if so, what might we expect? Thanx in advance ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca ................. "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:22:59 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Ambient albums To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi Joseph, > And finally, do you know if any follow-up Deep Forest project is in the > works? if so, what might we expect? In late July there was a small article in the paper about a new project that Eric Mouquet (of Deep Forest) was doing. It was a sort of 'Celtic techno', in that it would combine the old folk music of Bretagne with modern rhythms. The name of the album was 'Dao Dezi', which means 'Come on', and it was slated for release in September, although I haven't heard more about this since. Just a little note on the new Special Edition: The version of 'I Love You ... I'll Kill You' that is on the album is the revised one, meaning that there is the extra line in the mid-section of the song ("You'll be fine"). BTW, this does not sound like Angel's voice, so it could be Cretu himself. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 11:24:38 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Ambient albums To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. > Gavin, > Deep Forest I've got (Although not World Mix)... Delerium I'm looking Well it's only extra remixes on top, so you're not missing anything. > into (I've read your review)... Patrick O'Hearn I've never heard of. Who Delerium is definitely worth buying! > is he? What the heck does he do in this ever confusing state of pop > music??????? :-) OK, Patrick O'Hearn's music is fairly hard to describe since it is fairly unique - some would call it new age in a very pure form. Essentially he creates great atmospheres and emotions in his music, usually through the use of synthesizers. He also uses percussion and ocassionally brass (with Mark Isham) on other tracks. If you want to get an idea of his music, look out for the film "White Sands" because he did the soundtrack to that. Otherwise, "The Private Music of Patrick O'Hearn" or "Indigo" are good starting albums. Personally it took me a while to really hook into his music, but now that I have I find his albums a joy to listen to. > While I'm on the line, what do you know about Enchanted? Is it worth > fourteen bucks for a tape? (I'm too primative for CD.) I wouldn't have a clue about it - someone posted a mini-review about it to this list a few weeks ago so maybe you should chase him up for more detail. > And finally, do you know if any follow-up Deep Forest project is in the > works? if so, what might we expect? It is. Deep Forest's original album actually came out in Australia two years ago (as against 6 months ago in other countries) and from the booklet to Australia's release of "World Mix" it says they are in the progress of completing another one, this time using samples from Aborigines, Indians, North Americans, etc. (sounds to me like a similar path that Enigma took). Interestingly enough there's also a new album out in Australia called "Sacred Spirit" which is electronics over native American Indian Chants - once again, Australia is the only country which has this album so far. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Nov 94 22:35:23 EST From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: A new Enigma-like album. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) I just read a blurb about a new Enigma-esque album. It is called "Vision: The Music of Hildegard von Bingen". She was a 12th century German nun and mystic visionary. The music is performed by two female classical singers accompanied by a bed of synthesizers and drum machines. It's on Angel Records (the company that released CHANT). -- Mathias mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 23:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: Shadowfax Subject: A new Enigma-like album. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > I just read a blurb about a new Enigma-esque album. > > It is called "Vision: The Music of Hildegard von Bingen". > She was a 12th century German nun and mystic visionary. > The music is performed by two female classical singers > accompanied by a bed of synthesizers and drum machines. > It's on Angel Records (the company that released CHANT). > And while we are on the subject of Chant, can someone e-mail me a brief review of it? I have heard that it has Gregorian chants in it... is it like Enigma, i.e with a good beat to it? Thanks. Shan -- It was absolutely fabulous the way one thing led to another. He was the man who had everything and ironically when they first met she thought he was from outer space.She may have been forever in love with his KDX 125, but she never could ride it'cause whenever she tried to, her head would start spinning.-PSB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 23:27:30 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Alan Lang Subject: A new Enigma-like album. To: ENIGMA Distribution List Excerpts from mail.enigma: 5-Nov-94 Re: A new Enigma-like album. by Shadowfax@uhura.cc.roche > And while we are on the subject of Chant, can someone e-mail me a brief > review of it? I have heard that it has Gregorian chants in it... is it like > Enigma, i.e with a good beat to it? Nope. Pure gregorian chant. The real thing. --------------------------------------------------------- | Mark Lang | elistan+@cmu.edu | elistan@metronet.com | |http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/ml5t/elistan.html| --------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:21:51 -1000 From: "ISLAM MAHBUB RAMIT" Subject: Another new discovery To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, my name is Ramit Islam. I think I already presented my introduction about a month and a half ago, but I never saw it posted. Anyways, I'll reintroduce myself just in case my original got lost somewhere. I first heard of Enigma back in 1990(?) when they came out with their first single, Sadeness. My freind in Houston told me that Sandra and M. Cretu had come out with a new song. Much to my dismay, the record stores down here in Hawaii had no idea what I was looking for. Luckily, the MCMXC aD album came out domestically soon after I heard of it. Ever since then, I have been collecting Enigma CD's, LP's, 12''s, etc. So far i have everything except the Limted edition of COC. I also have the complete collection of Sandra CD's and am looking for the first Hubert KaH albums, the Cretu and Thiers album, and especially the Angel album(BTW, any info on where to get them would be greatly appreciated). I also listen to synthpop, "old" techno(not the tasteless new groups), some raggae, a little new age and am starting to get into romantic classical. I just turned 20 this month and am currently attending the University of Hawaii in Honolulu. I also have a strong liking for German cars and am currently trying to fix my Porsche. I'll be looking forward to talking to you all soon. See ya! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 21:29:22 EST From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: C.o.C. Lim. Ed.- U.S. import To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma list) Hello folks, and g'day Gavin, For those of us poor U.S. residents who are wondering how to get the upcoming C.o.C. release, I wanted to let you know that I am ordering it from a mail order import outfit here in NY state. If you want more info, please mail me personally so as not to clog up the list with messages. Take it easy, Bill wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 15:44:48 EST From: wpabst@skidmore.EDU (william pabst) Subject: CoC US. release info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma list) Hey Enigma enthusiasts: I got so many responses to my post about ordering the limited ed. CoC in the U.S. that I am going to post the info on the list. (Somewhat sarcastic apologies to all you Brits who can just bop over to the London Virgin Superstore and scoop up as many copies as you want ;) warning: I have never ordered from this outfit before so I can not offer any reassurance about them. However, the fellow, whose name is Brian, struck me as very professional and also very nice, both on the phone and when I talked to him at his table at a cd convention in Albany. (he had a limited ed. 'age of loneliness' too!) the info: EQS Music P.O. Box 323, Auburn, NY 13021 (315) 252-1999 phone hours: MWF 12noon- 6pm EST TuTh 6pm- 9pm EST answering machine and fax all other times. He said it was due out either Mon 11/7 or 11/14 (can anyone confirm this?) in the UK, and he has them available for shipping that friday. Price is $29.99 US w/ 3.00 shipping, and he did not have a track listing. He also didn't know anything about an "out from the deep" release;-- any news Gavin? -credit card and money orders get next day shipment, checks wait for clearance; make payable to EQS music. I think that's everything, and I hope this info is helpful. And many thanks to Gavin for maintaining an excellent list! within the realm, Bill wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:39:49 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: CoC US. release info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > He said it was due out either Mon 11/7 or 11/14 (can anyone confirm > this?) in the UK, and he has them available for shipping that friday. Last I heard was that it was postponed in Europe from 14/11 to 21/11..... You can expect the same for the UK (ie - expect it out 21/11 or 11/21 for you Americans! *grin*). > Price is $29.99 US w/ 3.00 shipping, and he did not have a track > listing. He also didn't know anything about an "out from the deep" > release;-- any news Gavin? Last I heard on that was that it was no longer happening..... Joar may have more news on this in the near future. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:07:30 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: CoC US. release info To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Nov 8, 1:39pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > > He said it was due out either Mon 11/7 or 11/14 (can anyone confirm > > this?) in the UK, and he has them available for shipping that friday. > > Last I heard was that it was postponed in Europe from 14/11 to 21/11..... You > can expect the same for the UK (ie - expect it out 21/11 or 11/21 for you > Americans! *grin*). Let me just add that it is likely that a video album will be produced for The CROSS Of Changes, in the same way as was done for MCMXC a.D. This video will probably be some time away though. > > Price is $29.99 US w/ 3.00 shipping, and he did not have a track > > listing. He also didn't know anything about an "out from the deep" > > release;-- any news Gavin? > > Last I heard on that was that it was no longer happening..... Joar may have > more news on this in the near future. The Out From The Deep is happening, although it will most likely only be released in selected countries, like Germany and the UK. In Norway's case, the reason for not releasing this single is because of the low sale of Age Of Loneliness (370 copies). As for the release date, I think we can see something in December. Speaking of sales, The CROSS Of Changes is up to 5 million copies now, which is truly brilliant. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:27:37 -0800 From: bworrell@cclink.fhcrc.org (Brandon Worrell) Subject: CoC US. release info To: ENIGMA Distribution List I just received a response from Dave at EAR/Rational music. He will be getting the limited edition CoC import when it comes out also. His price will be $26 plus $2 shipping and I can personally vouch for his company. If you ask around you will find many satisfied customers. To get the latest copy of his catalog write to ear-rational@xmission.com with one of the following on the subject line: help, catalog, catalog-ascii. There are others but you probably should get the help screen or catalog before you try them out. I will post updated release information when I receive it from him. Any questions about my experiences can be directed to my e-mail. --Brandon Worrell bworrell@fhcrc.org Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CoC US. release info Author: ENIGMA Distribution List at cclink Date: 11/7/94 3:44 PM Hey Enigma enthusiasts: I got so many responses to my post about ordering the limited ed. CoC in the U.S. that I am going to post the info on the list. (Somewhat sarcastic apologies to all you Brits who can just bop over to the London Virgin Superstore and scoop up as many copies as you want ;) warning: I have never ordered from this outfit before so I can not offer any reassurance about them. However, the fellow, whose name is Brian, struck me as very professional and also very nice, both on the phone and when I talked to him at his table at a cd convention in Albany. (he had a limited ed. 'age of loneliness' too!) the info: EQS Music P.O. Box 323, Auburn, NY 13021 (315) 252-1999 phone hours: MWF 12noon- 6pm EST TuTh 6pm- 9pm EST answering machine and fax all other times. He said it was due out either Mon 11/7 or 11/14 (can anyone confirm this?) in the UK, and he has them available for shipping that friday. Price is $29.99 US w/ 3.00 shipping, and he did not have a track listing. He also didn't know anything about an "out from the deep" release;-- any news Gavin? -credit card and money orders get next day shipment, checks wait for clearance; make payable to EQS music. I think that's everything, and I hope this info is helpful. And many thanks to Gavin for maintaining an excellent list! within the realm, Bill wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:20:49 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Deep Forest Remixes To: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Forwarded message: > I just picked up a new Deep Forest CD of remixes called White Whisper. I take it this is a UK release? > 5. Swee Lullaby (DJ Efx's Tribal As A Mofo Mix) 4:38 Does this guy call every remix he does the same thing? I do believe he called his remix of B-Tribe's "You Won't See Me Cry" the exact same thing. Weird (or not very creative?). MC _____________________________________________________________________ | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "A man who never dreams goes slowly Mad" | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | The Gate - Thomas Dolby | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:05:13 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Deep Forest Remixes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. > I just picked up a new Deep Forest CD of remixes called White Whisper. > > Here is the track list: > > 1. White Whisper 5:46 > 2. Hunting 3:27 > 3. Forest Hymn (Ambient Short Version) 3:47 > 4. Sweet Lullaby (Round The World Mix) 6:49 > 5. Swee Lullaby (DJ Efx's Tribal As A Mofo Mix) 4:38 This CD was released in Australia 12 months ago!!!! > Is this the World Mix others have been talking about? NO! As I mentioned the other day, "World Mix" is the Deep Forest full CD with 5 extra remixes at the end..... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 12:13:21 EST From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: Deep Forest Remixes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) I just picked up a new Deep Forest CD of remixes called White Whisper. Here is the track list: 1. White Whisper 5:46 2. Hunting 3:27 3. Forest Hymn (Ambient Short Version) 3:47 4. Sweet Lullaby (Round The World Mix) 6:49 5. Swee Lullaby (DJ Efx's Tribal As A Mofo Mix) 4:38 Is this the World Mix others have been talking about? -- Mathias mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 19:26:31 -0500 From: "George Feil" Subject: Delerium "Semantic Spaces" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Alexander Dedios asks: > Just wondering, which was your favorite track? And how many stars would > you rate it? Also, do you know of any other groups that produce music > similar to Flowers Become Screens (track 1)? I particularly liked the > chorus although it sounded a bit on the "pop-music" side. Tough to choose but one. My top pick is "Metamorphosis" -- extremely spacey, with beautiful textures, and an intensely techno-feel. This track is more like the old Front Line Assembly stuff than the others. An honorable mention goes to "Flowers Become Screens". They're all really great, though. You know, come to think of it, when I heard "Flowers" the first time, I swore I heard the track before. It sounds a lot like music someone else put out, but I can't put my finger on which group. I must of heard it in a club or something... The whole album gets five stars (out of possible five). ObEnigma: Enigma's "MCMXC a.D." also gets five in my book, while "Cross of Changes" rates 4 1/2. George ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 20:59:03 -0400 From: "------------" Subject: Delerium (Again...) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just today, I saw the "Flowers Become Screens" video on Much. Having already heard more than enough about the music from you folks here [:-)], I thought I'd see if anyone knows about the group's background. Where are they from? Is this there first album? How's the album selling? etc. Thanx ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca ...................... "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:43:31 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Effects of Enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > On Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:31:44 -0800 (PST), > Chris Powell wrote: > > I'm not sure he quite found is frightening... he wanted the album right > away. None the less, I see your point. The sort of music Engima does is > right out the window for some people-- but then, about 12 million people > would probably beg to differ. There's something enrapturing about Enigma > that I suppose might disturb some. I think "disturb" is far from how most people interpret Enigma. If anything it is the opposite with people - they are invigorated by its sound and atmopshere, not disturbed..... As for the extremes of people who listen to Enigma, however, well that is a situation where you get all kinds of people from all kinds of cultures and countries loving the music, meaning it is truely universal in its sound and effect. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 15:43:23 EST From: wpabst@skidmore.edu (william pabst) Subject: Enchanted To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Dear Charles, I am interested in your post- what is the name of their album(s)? BTW, have you got Deleriums' "semantic spaces"? It is also enigma like and partially ripped off, but a great listen anyway. Please send info, Bill wpabst@scott.skidmore.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:59:51 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Wertz Subject: Enchanted To: enigma list Well, I've noticed a lot of people asking about Enchanted. I would have replied, but I've been gone for the past week and a half. Anyway, someone asked if it's worth spending 14 bucks over. Here's my advice: If you haven't got Delerium yet, get it first. Then, if you can find it on sale, go ahead and get Enchanted. Enchanted isn't anywhere near as good as Enigma (or Delerium, for that matter), but it's a nice Enigma substitute. Email me if you want a full review. Later, Charlie cwertz@cc.dixie.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:46:43 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Enchanted To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Well, I've noticed a lot of people asking about Enchanted. I > advice: If you haven't got Delerium yet, get it first. Then, if you can > find it on sale, go ahead and get Enchanted. Enchanted isn't anywhere > near as good as Enigma (or Delerium, for that matter), but it's a nice > Enigma substitute. Email me if you want a full review. I picked it up just out of curiosity. It is VERY poppy sounding. In fact, one or two of the songs with vocals reminded me of Debbie Gibson (although I hate to compare even the worst bands to her). I have never really thought of Enigma as "dark" sounding, but when you here a disc this poppy that word and concept does come to mind.It does have some decent tracks on it though, such as "Reprise (Struggle/Awakening)" and "Temptation" which has some wicked egyptian sounds in it. Overall, I'd suggest waiting on this release and start looking in the used bins in a couple of weeks.Its not bad, but unlike Delerium and even Deep Forest, the Enchanted have no original ideas...it is a blatent ripoff of Enigma (their not even subtle about it). My jumbled opinion of course, MC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "I must be of some use to somebody. I mean there | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | must be a reason for me ... right? - T. Russell | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:49:39 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Wertz Subject: Enchanted Review To: enigma list Well, due to the many requests for the review, I'm just gonna post the whole review to everyone, so here goes..... This is Enchanted's first album as far as I know, and it is simply entitled "Enchanted". The CD is 41 minutes long with 11 tracks. Track by track: Track 1: The Struggle (Time: 1:14) This track is basically the introduction to the whole CD. There is no Gregorian chant; it's just music that I guess depicts the struggle of mankind. It sounds kind of epic, but it didn't impress me very much. Track 2: Enchanted 3:59 This one begins with a melancholy sounding Gregorian chant with some nature sounds in the background (rain falling, birds chirping, etc.). After a few second some ambient music begins. Then, 1:40, the beat kicks in. It's standard hip-hop dance, nothing out of the ordinary, but it serves its purpose well enough. You can hear Dana Nicosia doing some vocal harmonies here and there. All in all, this track is pretty good, I just wish the beat would've kicked in earlier. Track 3: Angels (Mother's Theme) 3:48 'Angels' runs right off of 'Enchanted' (Actually, all the tracks on the album run directly to the next one without a pause); the beat is exactly the same. The Gregorian chant changes also; it's more cheerful and uplifting. I liked this one; I wouldn't be surprised to see 'Angels' as Enchanted's first single. Then again, 'Angels' sounds a lot like a poppy Christmas song. Track 4: Awakening 1:29 Nothing much to say about this one; it's a musical interlude between tracks 3 and 5. It's a lot lighter sounding than 'The Struggle', which was pretty dark sounding now that I think about it. 'Awakening' has a lot of ambient sounds to it. Track 5: Love Vacation 7:07 This one has a nice beat. Unfortunately, that doesn't save this song from being my least favorite on the whole CD. The Gregorian chant sounds like it was put in as an afterthought. The lyrics to the song are some of the lamest I've ever heard. 'Love Vacation' is too long and too lame. Track 6: The Truth 2:22 Another musical interlude. It kinda has a "dark" feel to it. I usually press FWD on my CD player. Track 7: Temptation 5:27 I like this one. It opens up with a repetitive piano loop that sounds through the whole song. The chant begins soon after along with the beat. Every so often, a little Aladdin-esque sounding tune plays. My only problem it 'Temptation' is that it's extremely repetitive, and after the first couple of minutes into the song I'm waiting impatiently to hear something new. But, for the most part, this is my second most listened to track on the CD. Track 8: Fly Away 4:44 No chant. No beat. Just some ambient-type (poppy?) music and more lame lyrics by Dana Nicosia. Someone earlier commented that this sounds like a Debbie Gibson song; I couldn't agree more. I hate sappy love songs. Track 9: The Truth :32 Here it is again, in short form. Hooray. Track 10: Heaven 6:16 This is a kind of dark sounding, chant filled track. The beat is nice, with lots of bass. Pretty mediocre stuff, but I like it. Track 11: Reprise (of 'The Struggle' and 'Awakening') 'The Struggle' and 'Awakening' are spliced together and extended. I guess MoJoe Nicosia (producer of the album, and Dana's husband [I think]) ran out of originality..... not that is album is full of it, mind you... Well, overall, if I had to give this album a letter grade, it would be a low "B". It's okay as a whole, but there are those lame lyrics in the two afore-mentioned songs. To sum it up: This is a watered-down Enigma. To those of you who live outside the US where the album is as yet unavailable, well, you're not missing much. I recommend Delerium before Enchanted. To those of you who do have Enchanted, I'd like to hear your opinions. To those who don't, I hope this review helps out a little. Charlie cwertz@cc.dixie.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:07:31 EDT From: boschnei@lsi.usp.br (Bruno de Oliveira Schneider) Subject: Enigma's MIDI files To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everybody! Does anyone out there has sequenced some Enigma's songs and would like to share them with other fans? :-) =============================================================================== | | || | || | || || | || | || | | Bruno O. Schneider | | || | || | || || | || | || | | e-mail: boschnei@lsi.usp.br | |__||__| || |__||__||__| || |__||__| | | || || || || || || || || || | Laboratory of Integrated Systems | || || || || || || || || || | University of Sao Paulo |__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__| Sao Paulo, SP - BRAZIL _______________________________________________________________________________ "Look into the mirror of your soul. Love and hate are one in all. Sacrifice turns to revenge and believe me, you'll see the face who'll say: I love you ... I'll kill you ... But I'll love you forever" (D. Fairstein/Curly M.C. - Extract from the song "I love you... I'll kill you") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:30:51 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Enigma Laser Disc To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Can someone please give me the serial number, disc number, whatever you can give me for the Enigma laser disc (or video) for the MCMXC a.d. videos (not the boot stuff, the original Japanese release). I think I am close to finally getting a copy, but I need some of these numbers. Thanks, MC _____________________________________________________________________ | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "A man who never dreams goes slowly Mad" | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | The Gate - Thomas Dolby | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:42:39 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Enigma Laser Disc To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Can someone please give me the serial number, disc number, whatever you > can give me for the Enigma laser disc (or video) for the MCMXC a.d. > videos (not the boot stuff, the original Japanese release). Taesko SBLL-28. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:33:52 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Forwarded intro of Charles Wertz To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Greetings from Utah! I am a huge Enigma fan from the States who > is glad to finally find people like me on the 'Net. My name is Charlie > Wertz, and I'm 19 years old. I first heard of Enigma when Sadeness was > played on a Salt Lake City top 40 station. Immediately, I liked the > song, because it was so different than the standard Top 40 fare. The > next day, I went out and bought the tape, and needless to say, I was > hooked. Enigma became, and still is, my favorite band. I have > everything Enigma has released in the U.S. (singles and LPs), and I'm > currently trying to get ahold of imports. Other favorite bands of mine > include Deep Forest, Nine Inch Nails, Enya, and Machines of Loving > Grace. I currently attend Dixie College in St. George, Utah, which is > about 300 miles away from Salt Lake City. > While I'm blabbing away at you, I have a couple of questions. > First, do you, by any chance, know why Enigma doesn't release as many > singles in the U.S. as they do elsewhere? It's kind of frustrating for me > to hear about all of these singles and not be able to get ahold of them. > Second, have you heard of the group called Enchanted? They're supposed to > be like Enigma, but I don't know... > Well, thanks for listening. I can't tell you how glad I am to > find this mailing list. > > later, > Charlie cwertz@cc.dixie.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:34:53 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Further Enigma info. (Australia) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. I found out the following today from EMI Australia: 1. Limited Edition date has not changed (orderable from Monday, so in stores around Dec. 2) 2. The disc will be gold, not silver. 3. There are no details in Australia about releasing "Out from the Deep" although Australia has not yet ignored any Enigma releases 4. There is currently a promotional campaign for Enigma. I saw the TV ad. twice last night - the ad promotes both albums (calling the first one Enigma 1) and has various music videos playing in the background (visuals were from Sadeness, Mea Culpa, Rivers of Belief, Return to Innocence, Eyes of Truth, Age of Loneliness)... It was interesting to note that the people from EMI would not mention the limited edition version of the album until I did - strange indeed! (Although perhaps a marketing ploy so I didn't wait for the limited edition release with the new ad. just coming out). Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au PS - To the guy from Castle Hill, Australia: your video was sent off today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:55:58 -0700 (MST) From: Maryln Colton Subject: Hellooooo!!! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, everyone, my name is Marylu Colton, also known as Tigger the Terrible, or Mary-Spew, just to name a few of the names I go by. I think this enigma thing is totally far out!!! I've loved Enigma since their first album came out. Well, just wanted y'all to know I'm alive and well and Enigma rules!!!!!! I love you all!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:50:10 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Hubert KaH's "Sound of my Heart" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. I was fortunate enough the other day to find a Japenese import of Hubert KaH's "Sound of my Heart". It is from 1987 and was produced by Michael Cretu (although some parts of the booklet also credit Armand Volker). The overall sound of the album is generally European, although a bit Japenese pop-ish in parts. Hubert KaH's voice is interesting, with him trying to be emotional in his singing - sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. As is to be expected, the sounds are highly electronic, some of which I dare say sound "cheap" (you know those sounds which make you cringe?) but overall the album is quite enjoyable. Michael Cretu only helped write the music or lyrics on one track, Military Drums which varies quite majorly from him writing the majority of all Sandra albums (and Enigma's of course!). One final interesting note is that the female singer in Cathy sounds a lot like Sandra, yet another singer is credited (Anete and Inga Humpe). The track listing is slightly different to that in the discography: Hubert Kah, "Sound of my Heart" (CBS/SONY Japan 25DP 5469) 1. Welcome, Machine Gun [3'32] 2. Carrousel [3'49] 3. Cathy [4'13] 4. Midnight Sun [4'22] 5. Sound of my Heart [4'12] 6. So Many People [4'37] 7. Help me through the Night (When Devil Comes) [4'46] 8. The Voice of Silence [3'58] 9. Military Drums [3'37] 10. Victim of Brain [4'37] Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:35:29 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Hubert KaH's "Sound of my Heart" To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Nov 23, 5:50pm, Gavin Stok wrote: > G'day. I was fortunate enough the other day to find a Japenese import of Hubert > KaH's "Sound of my Heart". It is from 1987 and was produced by Michael Cretu > (although some parts of the booklet also credit Armand Volker). The overall Armand Volker used to work with Cretu in the mid '80s, and assisted him in the production of albums by Sandra, Michael Cretu, Moti Special and Cretu And Thiers. > parts. Hubert KaH's voice is interesting, with him trying to be emotional in > his singing - sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Is Hubert KaH a person, or is it just the name of the group? I've heard that the group was composed of the people who do the songs for Sandra, like Hubert Kemmler (see where the name comes from...) and Klaus Hirschburger. > the album is quite enjoyable. Michael Cretu only helped write the music or > lyrics on one track, Military Drums which varies quite majorly from him writing > the majority of all Sandra albums (and Enigma's of course!). Who wrote the songs? And who is involved in this project? Please tell! Joar PS: The Enigma web page is unreachable at the moment. There is little I can do about this, though I hope that it will be available again in the next few days. I'll let you know when it has happened. -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:49:57 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Hubert KaH's "Sound of my Heart" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Joar! > Armand Volker used to work with Cretu in the mid '80s, and assisted him > in the production of albums by Sandra, Michael Cretu, Moti Special and > Cretu And Thiers. Yep! > Is Hubert KaH a person, or is it just the name of the group? I've heard > that the group was composed of the people who do the songs for Sandra, > like Hubert Kemmler (see where the name comes from...) and Klaus > Hirschburger. Ooo... it could be the group name, although Hubert Kemmler is the singer and main song-writer...... Maybe KaH is a short-form or nick-name form of his real name. > Who wrote the songs? And who is involved in this project? Please tell! The credits are as follows: Hubert Kemmler: Lead and Backing vocals Klaus Hirschburger: Bass Markus Lohr: Programming, Keyboards and Guitar Michael Cretu: Additional Keyboards Peter Weihe: Guitars Curt Cress: Additional Percussion Lothar Khell: Additional Keyboards on Track B4 Amy Goff: Vocals on Track A3 <-- This is the person I meant to say before! Anete and Inga Humpe: Vocals on Track A2 and B3 (Courtesy of WEA) Digitally Recorded and Mixed by Michael Cretu at Data Alpha Studios, Munich 1988. Assistant Engineer: Frank Peter Vocals on Track A4, B1 and B4 recorded by Denis Herman at Mediterraneo Studio, Ibiza <-- Note location Produced by Michael Cretu <-- Armand Volker is also credited in other sections of the booklet Executive Producers and Arrangements by Hubert KaH [some credits deleted] Management: Mambo Musik Thanks to Susanne, Susann and Simone Most of the music was by Hubert Kemmler and most of the lyrics by Klaus Hischburger as well as Hubert Kemmler. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 9:10:58 +0800 (PST) From: claudio@x.co.uk Subject: Hubert KaH's "Sound of my Heart" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Anete and Inga Humpe: Vocals on Track A2 and B3 (Courtesy of WEA) Anete and Inga had an album called "Humpe Humpe" out in the 80's (can't remember when exactly) but it has the same euro/jap-pop feel of KaH's "Sound Of My Heart". If you like Sandra you might like Anete and Inga's "Swimming With Sharks" album. They have the same euro-girl(*) type voice and the albums's also produced by Armand Volker. In the US and UK this came out under the band name "Swimming With Sharks". I think it's a 1989 release. I can't remember if Cretu had a hand in any of the albums. * by "euro-girl voice" i mean people like Nena, Anete & Inga Humpe, Sandra and Claudia Brucken. claudio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 19:20:39 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Important administration note To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. I am sorry to make this message unrelated to Enigma, but it is important for many of you to know: As of today (December 1) the ONLY place to contact me personally is gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au - other addresses such as gpsto1@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au will no longer exist. As always, Enigma mailing list requests can be made to enigma-request@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and Joar's personal contact is unchanged at joarg@gribb.hsr.no I am hopeful that I may be able to continue to maintain the standards of this mailing list despite losing all but one of my computer accounts and will continue to endeavour to get the latest information and reviews to the list as soon as possible. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 13:07:38 +0100 From: Hartmut Keller Subject: Inga and Anete Humpe To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I can add a few more informations about Inga and Anete Humpe. They were both very popular during the "Neue Deutsche Welle" (= New German Wave) music period here in Germany in the beginning of the 80s. One of them (I don't remember which one, I always mix them up) was the lead singer of a band called "Ideal" which had quite a few hits here in Germany, e.g. "Berlin", "Blaue Augen", etc. Ideal always had German lyrics, which were often saucy and provoking. I rather liked them. :-) The other one of the Humpe sisters was lead singer of a band called "Neonbabies". Later on she also was in a group called "DOeF" (Deutsch Oesterreichisches Feingefuehl = German Austrian Sensitiveness) which was a play on words on another band named "DAF" (Deutsch Amerikanische Freundschaft = German American friendship). DOeF was very successful with a song called "Codo". In the later 80s I think they both had a solo album and there were two albums they worked together on, one of which is the "Swimming with sharks" already mentioned by Claudio. Now they had mostly english lyrics. I can remember a very funny song where the lyrics consisted only of a sequence of japanese companies like Yamaha, Sony, etc. And all fit very well to the music. As far as I know each of the Humpe sisters had another solo album last year. At the moment they both produce some German bands. One of those bands, "Lucilectric", was very popular this summer with a song called "Maedchen". I hope you like this kind of background information, even if it's a little "off topic". So long, Hartmut -- \\''''// (0 0) @---------------oOO---------(_)-------------------------------* | Hartmut Keller, Karpatenstr. 34, 71069 Sindelfingen | | keller@hermes.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de | @----------------------------------------oOO------------------* |__|__| || || ooO Ooo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:48:42 GMT From: Richard Phipps Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name: - Richard "Cosmo" Phipps * Age: - 19 * What is in your Enigma collection: - Sadness Part 1 (cassette Album) - Sadness Part 1 (CD single - import) - Age of Lonliness (CD single) - Age of Lonliness (CD Ltd. Ed. single) - Return to Innocence (CD single) - Return to Innocence (CD Ltd. Ed. single) - Eyes of Truth (CD single) I think that's correct - they're all at home, not at uni. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are - first heard Enigma in UK charts (Sadness Part 1), so went out and bought the album. Since then i've been a very big fan. * Other artists you like - The SHAMEN, MOBY, The Prodigy, The GRID, The ORB, The Future Sound of London, Orbital, Sophie B. Hawkins, Snap. * What course or job you're doing (if any) - BSc(Hons) Computer Science at De Montfort University, Leicester, England, UK. * Any other interesting information you wish to share - I'm well into Comedey. Here is a short list of some of the comedians i like: Jack Dee, Jasper Carrott, Harry Enfield, Gregg Proops, Punt & Dennis. - E-mail : c1rp@dmu.ac.uk - Homepage : http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk:80/~c1rp/index.html This may seem a bit harsh the way i've replied, but i've been doing a project. bye... _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:45:59 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Ltd. Ed. in UK To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. Just a short note to advise UK members that the limited edition of "the CROSS of Changes" will be released in the UK. I have no date as yet (although Nov. 21 seems likely) but will report any new information if/when I receive it. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:44:06 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Ltd. Ed. in UK To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. Finally I have some news to report of decency. First, here is the track listing for the Limited Edition of "The CROSS of Changes"... Tracks 1-9 As per normal album Extra tracks: 1. Return to Innocence [Long & Alive Version] 2. Age of Loneliness [Enigmatic Club Mix] 3. The EYES of Truth [Gotterdammerung Mix] This is the order the tracks were read out to me, but I am unsure if this is the order in which they'll appear on the CD. In Australia this CD will be released on December 2 and have gold colouring instead of yellow. It will also be in special black cardboard (I presume it will be like a Digipak) packaging. At least it seems the best mixes of each track have been chosen for the CD. And with each mix going for 7-8 minutes, you can expect a CD of approximately 65 minutes in length. Enjoy! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 15:20:10 GMT From: dm Bradley Subject: Ltd Ed Cross of Changes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) Being a new member to the list I don't know if this has been said already, but I've just found out that Enigma are releasing a Ltd Edition version of Cross of Changes next Moday (Nov 21st). Anyone know any details? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:39:05 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Ltd Ed Cross of Changes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Dave and welcome to the list! > Being a new member to the list I don't know if this has been said already, but > I've just found out that Enigma are releasing a Ltd Edition version of Cross > of Changes next Moday (Nov 21st). Anyone know any details? Details I know are as follows: * To be released in Europe November 21st.... UK and Australia should follow shortly after * No details whether it will be released in the US, although seems doubtful * Will have same cover as normal version, but using gold instead of yellow. * Will be in the same format as the limited edition to MCMXC a.D ie - normal album plus 3-4 already released remixes. I hope this helps. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:16:30 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: MCMXC A.D. Limited To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Enigma - MCMXC A.D. + 4 tracks <72722> import $28. > > I assume that this is the limited edition because of the 4 extra > tracks. I will write to EAR/Rational and ask however. (I'll also ask > about the limited edition of The Cross of Changes.) Actually if you have a Best Buy around you they can order it for you, if they don't already stock it. Its the one with the Greenish cover, with a made in Holland sticker on the back...and of course the 4 bonus tracks. Think the price was about $25.88 for it. To be honest though, I'd rather buy it from Ear-Rational. MC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "I must be of some use to somebody. I mean there | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | must be a reason for me ... right? - T. Russell | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 13:36:13 -0800 From: bworrell@cclink.fhcrc.org (Brandon Worrell) Subject: MCMXC A.D. Limited appears to be available again (USA) To: ENIGMA Distribution List This item just appeared on the new EAR/Rational catalog: Enigma - MCMXC A.D. + 4 tracks <72722> import $28.00 People asked about this a long time ago, and I guess it's ben repressed. I assume that this is the limited edition because of the 4 extra tracks. I will write to EAR/Rational and ask however. (I'll also ask about the limited edition of The Cross of Changes.) --Brandon bworrell@fhcrc.org Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:18:39 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Mea Culpa I and II To: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Hi peoples, I finally got my claws on a copy of the MCMXC a.D. Laser disc and have a real quick question about Mea Culpa. On the LD is, I believe, part I of the song. I have also seen a video ($9.99 US) with two versions of the song (parts I and II i guess). OK, now are the versions different than the one on the LD? I will assume that one version is. Hows the other version on the video? Worth the cash for one song/video? Thanks, MC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "I must be of some use to somebody. I mean there | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | must be a reason for me ... right? - T. Russell | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:44:35 -0500 (EST) From: Shadowfax Subject: Mea Culpa I and II To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hi peoples, > > I finally got my claws on a copy of the MCMXC a.D. Laser disc and have a real > quick question about Mea Culpa. On the LD is, I believe, part I of the song. I > have also seen a video ($9.99 US) with two versions of the song (parts I and II > i guess). OK, now are the versions different than the one on the LD? I will > assume that one version is. Hows the other version on the video? Worth the cash > for one song/video? > > Thanks, > > MC ha ha "MC" huh? all ya need to do is ad "curly" in front of it and people would be really suspicious. Shan > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "I must be of some use to somebody. I mean there | > | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | must be a reason for me ... right? - T. Russell | > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- It was absolutely fabulous the way one thing led to another. He was the man who had everything and ironically when they first met she thought he was from outer space.She may have been forever in love with his KDX 125, but she never could ride it'cause whenever she tried to, her head would start spinning.-PSB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 14:00:41 EST From: Falco@Microserve.com (Falco) Subject: New Member To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I am a new member of the ENIGMA mailing list. I guess I should introduce myself. My name is Mohamed Haider (aka Falco), 26 years old. I have both Enigma albums and first heard of them on VH-1. I have been an avid follower of them ever since and keep on the lookout for their albums etc. Other artists I like are Delerium, Enchanted and most other New Age bands. Basically, I am interested in all types of music except for Heavy Metal... you get my drift. I am working as an engineer in Northeast PA. Other interesting info: Member IEEE, BMW CCA. Very interested in European autos particularly British, German and Italian. I have owned a Jaguar and currently own a BMW. i am also an avid reader of British car magazines (whenever I can get them). I look forward to hearing from other persons on this mailing list in the near future. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't be afraid to be weak, Don't be too proud to be strong Just look into your heart my friend, That will be the return to yourself The return to Innocence (Enigma2) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:39:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: Out From The Deep is OUT! To: Enigma Mailing List Out From The Deep - November 1994 [CD: Virgin 8 92691 2 (DINSD 141, PM 515)] 1. Radio Edit (4:27) 2. Rock Version (6:44) 3. Trance Mix (168BPM) (5:49) 4. Short Radio Edit (3:30) Note: thin jewel box, cover has black background and the "person" from the cover of the Cross of Changes; disc is black with white print. I haven't listened to it yet, so I can't comment on any of the mixes. I will say that I'm kind of tired of Radio Edits and Short Radio Edits :-) -- John N. Underwood - junderw@cs.clemson.edu http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html A n d T h r o u g h T h e W i r e P e t e r G a b r i e l http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/pg.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 18:27:33 CST From: Jim English Subject: Out From The Deep is OUT! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) > > > Out From The Deep - November 1994 > [CD: Virgin 8 92691 2 (DINSD 141, PM 515)] > 1. Radio Edit (4:27) > 2. Rock Version (6:44) > 3. Trance Mix (168BPM) (5:49) > 4. Short Radio Edit (3:30) > Note: thin jewel box, cover has black background and the > "person" from the cover of the Cross of Changes; > disc is black with white print. > > I haven't listened to it yet, so I can't comment on any of > the mixes. I will say that I'm kind of tired of Radio Edits > and Short Radio Edits :-) > UK or Domestic? -jim > -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa can bite me. (And usually does) "Bob, ain't that a bitch?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 00:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: Out From The Deep is OUT! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Jim English wrote: > UK or Domestic? They are "printed" in Holland, but may be manufactured in different countries (UK, Germany, or France). Mine was made in Germany Here is an update on the catalog numbers: [CD: Virgin - D: 8 92691 2, UK: DINSD 141, F: PM 515] I have also listened to the mixes now. No comment is necessary on the Radio Edits. The other mixes are just ok. I wasn't blown away by either of them. Previous singles have definitely featured better remixes. They aren't bad, mind you, just nothing to write home about. (Note: these comments are being made after only _one_ listen to each version, so my opinions may change). -- John N. Underwood - junderw@cs.clemson.edu http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html A n d T h r o u g h T h e W i r e P e t e r G a b r i e l http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/pg.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 18:48:37 EST From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: Patrick O'Hearn To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) Patrick O'Hearn played bass for Frank Zappa. Then went with the excellent New Wave band, Missing Persons, which had other ex-Zappa people such as drummer Terry Bozzio (also with UK) and his wife, the singer, Dale Bozzio, and guitarist Warren Cuccarulo (sp?). He has released a few (4?) New Age albums. All quite good. -- Mathias ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 10:58:55 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Patrick O'Hearn To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > Patrick O'Hearn played bass for Frank Zappa. Then went with the > excellent New Wave band, Missing Persons, which had other ex-Zappa > people such as drummer Terry Bozzio (also with UK) and his wife, > the singer, Dale Bozzio, and guitarist Warren Cuccarulo (sp?). > He has released a few (4?) New Age albums. All quite good. A few more than that actually. From most recent: Private Collection of Patrick O'Hearn Indigo Mix Up Eldorado Rivers Gonna Rise Between Two Worlds Ancient Dreams (??) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 19:20:33 -0500 (EST) From: Shadowfax Subject: Patrick O'Hearn To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > G'day. > > > Patrick O'Hearn played bass for Frank Zappa. Then went with the > > excellent New Wave band, Missing Persons, which had other ex-Zappa > > people such as drummer Terry Bozzio (also with UK) and his wife, > > the singer, Dale Bozzio, and guitarist Warren Cuccarulo (sp?). > > He has released a few (4?) New Age albums. All quite good. > > A few more than that actually. From most recent: > > Private Collection of Patrick O'Hearn > Indigo > Mix Up > Eldorado > Rivers Gonna Rise > Between Two Worlds > Ancient Dreams (??) > I have to say though that "Mix Up" and the "private Collection" are the best. I especially like the version of "Chatahochee (sp?) Field Day" on "Mix -up". Shan. -- It was absolutely fabulous the way one thing led to another. He was the man who had everything and ironically when they first met she thought he was from outer space.She may have been forever in love with his KDX 125, but she never could ride it'cause whenever she tried to, her head would start spinning.-PSB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:30:47 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: REVIEW: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au REVIEW: "Semantic Spaces" by Delerium [1994] Nettwerk Records: W2-30092 Festival Records (Australia): D31197 It is a rare occassion for there to be an album which I literally feel compelled to play over and over again - the only albums this year which have achieved this goal have been Enigma's "The CROSS of Changes" (of course!) and Cosmic Baby's "Thinking About Myself" (to a lesser degree). I am now proud to add Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" to this list. Since getting the album through Canada's Nettwerk Records (details later) I have been impressed at the different sort of sound that Delerium offers in the album, but let's get one thing straight - there are two types of records, one which is similar to style to another band, and another type which uses lots of the other band's samples. In the case of "Semantic Spaces" it is definitely a case of the latter - you'll find lots of Enigma samples scattered throughout the song, but the style and sound of the overall track is definitely not that of Enigma. Lots of other samples are used as well, including those from Vangelis, Deep Forest Cosmic Baby, and Ennio Morricone. Going for a whole 78 minutes in total, the album can boast that it does not sound repetitive - each track has its own unique style and sound about it, while still having the basic ingredients of merging a sense of atmosphere, and using the right samples at the right time (without just using it for no reason). Great detail seems to have been focussed on the bass line and the beat (one clearly "stolen" from Enigma) but it is the subliminal atmosphere created through the use of samples and equipment which gives the album a fantastic overall feel. A track-by-track rundown goes as follows (the number of asterisks to the left of each track title gives my rating out of 5 asterisks): *** TRACK 1: Flowers Become Screens [7'55"] The first single off the album, this track starts off creating an atmosphere through the use of vocal drones. Soon after the voice of Kristy Thirsk (credited as the angelic vocals!) begins speaking different vocals of the lyrics. With the drone still present, her speaking turns into a chant and the beat begins.... The bass line then enters and you soon start hearing layer on layer of sounds (drones, various electronic sounds, initial chant) with Kristy speaking out the verse lyrics. It is the chorus which she sings in her angelic voice with the bass line highlighted. This repeats for the second verse and chorus. After this there is more drones and her voice is swirled around with other special sound effects before the comes is performed one final time. Overall this song has a sort of pop feel to it, but is more complex due to the layering of sounds and atmosphere. It is one of only two vocal tracks on the album and soon has you singing along. The mixing of the track is also done in such a way that the second verse & chorus don't sound like a total repeat of the sounds used in the first verse & chorus. *** TRACK 2: Metaphor [7'49"] Samples: Enigma [At 1'15" & 5'02" is the drum bridge from Sadeness at 0'12" taken from the album "MCMXC a.D."] Vangelis [At 0'00" is the sound from Opening taken from "1492"] This track revolves around the use of a chant which appears to be sung by Kristy. The atmosphere is once again set up during the first of the track with the use of the Vangelis sample, some bells, and deep electronic sounds. The track turns at 0'57" where the sample is introduced and the beat soon after that. It is also here that we are first introduced to some Gregorian chants! After the chants come some atmospheric sounds followed by the introduction of the bass line and the Greogorian chants again. For the majority of the song a mixture of Kristy's chant, electronic atmosphere, and Gregorian chants give the song its sound and atmosphere. At 4'10" another chant is introduced and the song takes on a slightly different direction. More percussion enters at 5'00" alongside a slightly different beat, before the track returns to its original style at around 6'00". This track uses stereo to great effect, not creating atmosphere by drones or consistent background noises, but by physically trying to shift the sound around the listener. Through the use of the sound engineering and the chants, this is achieved well. Also note that the Gregorian chants weren't the subject of the song - they simply formed part of the whole. **** TRACK 3: Resurrection [9'24"] Samples: Vangelis [0'33"->0'41" & 0'51"->0'58" taken from Opening on the album "1492"] This track starts, progresses, and ends focussing on one particular chant. It sounds as if it is sung by a choir of males & females, and seems partly Eastern in origin but may simply have been made up! The beat enters at 1'12" and is fairly fast in pace. From here is a mixture of the beat, the chant, and some other electronic sounds including distorted flutes and other little samples. Other segments use the same beat but introduce different electronic samples and make the atmosphere more apparent. The bass line also becomes more apparent as the track goes on. A more percussioned sound can be heard at 5'45" and more new segments are added on top of the beat and bass line, mostly using a number of stereo effects. The track ends with layers stripped back, leaving just the chant sung. It does not take long before the listener is singing along to the chant! The track has a good paced beat, lots of samples which add to the flavour of the song, and once again that sense of atmosphere which Delerium seem to have mastered. One thing all tracks use to great effect is stereo - the quality of the recording is excellent, and the number of samples used are great, some of which can be easily heard, and others which are at low levels. ***** TRACK 4: Incantation [6'21'] The second vocal track (and also the shortest), this one starts in a totally different tangent to the actual track. It begins with low-sounding electronic sounds, introduces a beat at 0'22" but then goes in a totally different direction at 0'38". The beat suddenly becomes faster, a short-sharp sample by Kristy is introduced and shortly after the beat becomes heavier and has Gregorian chants overdubbed on it. It is at 1'02" that the bass line is introduced and dominates the rest of the track (it is bassy, it is heavy, and it is contagious!). The verse of the song is sung, one word at a time and with a lot of delay in between each word. While this occurs, the bass line continues and Gregorian chants are swirled around (similar to that in the Enigmatic Club Mix of "Age of Loneliness"). At 1'48" the chorus is sung - present are only the bass line, the vocals, and some soft electronic sounds. A second verse then follows and the chorus is sung once again. After the chorus some new electronic sounds are introduced and a chant is played at medium volume. The song soon after reverts back to the original sample, has some more stereo effects and goes back to the chorus. A few more effects, and the chorus is sung once again to close the song. This is perhaps my favourite track on the album - everything is just so right about it! The vocals are infectious, the bass line keeps going over and over in your head, and the Gregorian chants are used beatifully, once again not being a focus of the song, but simply part of it. The song also highlights Kristy Thirsk's vocals. If this song was released as a single I feel it has a lot of potential. * TRACK 5: Consensual Worlds [10'04"] Samples: The Orb [familiar instrument taken from Towers of Dub on "U.F.Orb"] Welcome to the track which pays tribute to The Orb. The song is fairly simplistic at the start, with long chords (reminiscent of Jean Michel Jarre) and a simple melody. At 1'40" some drones are introduced before the beat is introduced, similar to an Orb track. This beat is blended with the droning sounds to give a nice sound which circulates from speaker to speaker. At 2'34" however, the drones disappear to introduce a reggae-like bass line. From here, other Orb samples are used using full stereo effects (as The Orb are known to do) including the bubble-like sound and their other electronic sounds, along with some spoken samples. This goes on in various forms and using various effects until 6'06" where the sound of the track takes on a slightly different flavour (through the effective use of different electronic sounds) for a short period of time. After this however, it's back to the same sorts of sounds and effects as before. Towards the end of the track, drones are once again used to good effect, becoming more apparent (& louder) towards the climax of the track. This track did not do much for me. There were some great sound effects and the merging of the drone with the initial beat had great potential, but overall the song sounded too much like an Orb-remake and went on too long for my liking. Orb fans, however, would probably love this track. **** TRACK 6: Metamorphisis [8'27"] Samples: Vangelis [0'00"->1'24" repeated from the start of Pinta Nina Santa Maria (Into Eternity) on the album "1492"] Ennio Morricone [1'45"->1'54" & 1'54->2'03" taken from the first 5 seconds of Ave Maria Guarani on the album "The Mission"] Deep Forest [from the album "Deep Forest"] Beginning with a strong emphasis on the Vangelis sample to create an uplifting atmosphere, a beat is introduced at 0'43" and a melody introduced shortly after to adjust the listener to the style of song they are about to listen to. This begins at 1'24" where the Vangelis sample disappears and a short, sharp electronic sound eminates from speakers. A vocal sample from "The Mission" (an "angelic" child singing) is overdubbed and at 2'04" the main beat kicks in. It is bassy in sound but ends with a highat sound (it's hard to explain but sounds industrial-like). Kristy uses her voice as an instrument shortly after and further electronic instrumenation is introduced, the beat being the predominant sound. A lot of short electornic samples are used to create an atmosphere and a lot of focus is placed during the centre of the track on Kristy's voice. Another sample around this time was from Deep Forest, but it is used at medium volume. At around 5'00" the beat is changed slightly with more bass sounds and focussing on the voice. At 6'05" however the beat returns and the song continues the way it did before. For some reason it appears the beginning of the next track is attatched onto the back of this one. The feel & style of this track was very original, with lots of samples once again being employed perfectly, and the beat and bass line making the track a pleasure to listen to. There were a lot of different musical pieces in the track while the underlying beat was the same, and the mixing of the track somehow manages to make the merging of sharp beats with atmospheric sounds and backgrounds seem natural. **** TRACK 7: Flatlands [7'13"] Samples: Enigma [from "MCMXC a.D.", beat to Sadeness, instrument from Way To Eternity at medium volume] Welcome to the Enigma triubute song! Full of Gregorian chants, Enigma beats, and Enigma samples, the song at first sounds like a total Enigma rip-off. But the amazing thing is that it isn't despite having all the same ingredients. The track begins with solo Gregorian chants and follows on with the beat of Sadeness with a repeat of the chants. At 0'37" the bass line is introduced along with a nice piano solo (reminiscent of what Michael Cretu does all the time). Merged on top of this is Kristy's voice used as an instrument (she is somewhere between singing and chanting, but her voice flows with the tune) which sounds wonderful and adds a dynamic new layer to the music. Her voice with the Sadness beat and bass line continues until 1'51" where the Gregorian chants are once again introduced. Throughout, electronic sounds are once again used to create the atmosphere. The use of Kristy's vocals, the underlying bass line, the occasional use of piano, and the Gregorian chants are the main focus of the track. But at 5'29" there is a merging of the chants with Kristy's vocals which increases the sense of atmosphere and feeling about the song. After first listening to this track, the Enigma similarities stood out and consequently made this my favourite track. Still one of my favourite tracks, this song takes what Enigma offered and ADDS (yes adds!) to it.... The merging of Kristy's voices to the Gregorian chants is fantastic, and the atmosphere of the song is higher than of other tracks. You feel a total sense of the chants and voice of Kristy surrounding you with the bass line pounding at you and other electronic sounds swirling all around. Finally, the piano adds to it and literally takes you away.... The song really has a feeling about it. * Track 8: Sensorium [12'08"] Samples: Deep Forest [background birds & low volume chant from The First Twilight, beginning beat from Savana Dance, pygmy sample from Sweet Lullaby, all taken from the album "Deep Forest"] Enigma [beat taken from Sadeness(Reprise) from the album "MCMXC a.D." Cosmic Baby [familar instrument recognised on "Thinking About Myself"] Every album generally can't be perfect, and this track proves it. It begins with Deep Forest samples in the background (from The First Twilight) along with some distorted bells followed by some other electronic sounds swirling from speaker to speaker. These continue for quite some time with other samples overdubbed (horses, low volume drone) until 1'46" where more electronic sounds begin swirling around as well. A chant is introduced as well at 2'46" and after this some chords give the track some melody. The familiar swirling sounds and occassional chords continue until 4'10" where a Deep Forest beat takes over (from Savana Dance) and a Cosmic Baby sample is introduced to create some electronic sounds at 4'29". Shortly after the same sounds as before are overdubbed onto the new beat. This Deep Forest beat finally ends at 6'14" only to be replaced at 6'22" with an Enigma beat. But its back to the normal sounds again (with one new Deep Forest sample) until 7'13" where the song finally takes on some new direction, going for a bassy beat and new electronic sounds. The chant re-enters shortly after and Deep Forest samples are repeated. The song continues in the same rough way it did throughout for the remainder of the track, although the pygmy chant from Deep Forest is highlighted. This track showed me no direction and is the only track on the album which appeared to use samples for no logical reason (the Enigma beat sounded totally out of place!) and be too repetitive. For the most part it was the same sounds with different beats or too little change. Since the track is the longest on the album, I can only presume this is intentional (but don't ask me why!). **** Track 9: Gateway [8'13"] The finale of the album begins with a storm overdubbed by deep-sounding electronic chords and a higher sounding melody. This changes over to the underlying beat at 1'07" which can only be described as jungle-sounding (those who have ever seen a computer demo involving a jungle may know what I mean!). The bass line further highlights it at 1'20" and various distorted electronic samples create an atmosphere. This atmopshere is further highlighted at 2'10" with other electronic sounds. 2'58" sees the introduction of an Indian-sounding chant, this time sung by a male and nicely blending into the song through the use of echo. An interesting sample is introduced at 4'10" and used to good use throughout the track. Further electronic sounds add to the overall sound at 5'00" before the track returns to the chant at 5'23" which is heard twice. The track finishes at 7'24" with the beat stopping and the storm once again re-entering with a harp before fading to finish. It is undoubtedly the beat and bass line of this track which is the highlight - it is very bassy and felt on a good stereo. The rest of the track is atmospheric in its style and has a mellow feel to it due to the ongoing electronic chords and bass line. The song has an uplifting flavour to it and was a good choice to track to end the album on since it leaves the listener contented with what they heard and still impressed with the whole experience that the album offered. The album as a whole is truely a worthwhile listen and anyone who loves the sound of Enigma and related artists should also like this album. Credit must go to Bill Leek and Rhy Fulber ("Ambient and Rhythmic Auditory Sculpture") and Greg Reely ("Sonic Architecture") who have created a sound and atmosphere which is unique and mixed perfectly. ** END OF REVIEW ** The best way to obtain the album is through Nettwerk Records located in Canada. This is due to the album being hard to find, and the cheaper prices that Nettwerk has to offer (for this album it is CAN$16 for CD and CAN$9 for cassette). I can vouch for the services offered having received my order in one piece. To contact Nettwerk for an order form, email Cathy at Nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca - other Nettwerk details are as follows: The Nettwerk Network--"Connect to an Attitude...not a Problem" E-Mail: Nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca Nettwerk BBS: (604) 731-7007 Nettwerk News: news@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Tour dates: dates@Nettwerk.wimsey.com The Catalog: catalog@Nettwerk.wimsey.com Connect FAQ: info@Nettwerk.wimsey.com World Wide Web: http://www.wimsey.com/nettwerk/ Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:02:11 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Powell Subject: REVIEW: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hello people, You know, I bought Semantic Spaces about two weeks ago, and it's worth my $16 dollars. A bunch of my friends stopped by my dorm room and asked "What's that cool music?" I said "It's from a group you've never heard of." I told them it was Delerium, and they nodded in approvement. These are people who blast Green Day and other "Alternative" music from their blasters... Thanks for the soapbox, -------------------------------------------------------------- Chris Powell | | | n9340154@henson.cc.wwu.edu O O O O O O "If a house gets in my way, baby, / \ you know I'll burn it down..." | Wolfman | | ---"Stranglehold" by Ted Nugent | Inc. |-O \___________/ ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 21:14:27 -0400 From: "------------" Subject: REVIEW: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:02:11 -0800 (PST), Chris Powell wrote: >You know, I bought Semantic Spaces about two weeks ago, and it's worth >my $16 dollars. A bunch of my friends stopped by my dorm room and asked >"What's that cool music?" I said "It's from a group you've never heard >of." I told them it was Delerium, and they nodded in approvement. These >are people who blast Green Day and other "Alternative" music from their >blasters... Interesting to note the bit on alternative and ambient. I recently sold a friend of mine (sort of) on Enigma. He'd never heard of them before (go figure) and when he heard Mea Culpa, he, shall we say, took note. "Uh, is this guy into Satan or something?" he asked sounding a little confused. I suppose, if you weren't familliar with Gregorian chanting, you'd probably be floored by it. I mention this, because he's in to metal (Metallica, Megadeth mostly). There seems to be something rather basic, almost interior, about both types of music so that, when it really hits you it hits like a freight train. I can't vouch, I'm afraid for the metal bit, asthe music never really hit me to begin with. Comments? -- Doug MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:31:44 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Powell Subject: REVIEW: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, ------------ wrote: > On Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:02:11 -0800 (PST), > "Uh, is this guy into Satan or something?" he asked sounding a little > confused. I suppose, if you weren't familliar with Gregorian chanting, > you'd probably be floored by it. > I mention this, because he's in to metal (Metallica, Megadeth mostly). > There seems to be something rather basic, almost interior, about > both types of music so that, when it really hits you it hits like a > freight train. I can't vouch, I'm afraid for the metal bit, asthe music > never really hit me to begin with. Comments? > -- > Doug MacKay > dmackay@fox.nstn.ca Yes! Yes! Yes! I totally agree...people are afraid and hostile about what they are ignorant of. Most people don't get it that the greagorian chants is religious in some aspects (duh...). Anyway, good point Doug... Adieu, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Nov 94 08:23:05 -0400 From: "------------" Subject: REVIEW: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:31:44 -0800 (PST), Chris Powell wrote: > >On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, ------------ wrote: > >> On Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:02:11 -0800 (PST), >> "Uh, is this guy into Satan or something?" he asked sounding a little >> confused. I suppose, if you weren't familliar with Gregorian chanting, >> you'd probably be floored by it. >> I mention this, because he's in to metal (Metallica, Megadeth mostly). >> There seems to be something rather basic, almost interior, about >> both types of music so that, when it really hits you it hits like a >> freight train. I can't vouch, I'm afraid for the metal bit, asthe music >> never really hit me to begin with. Comments? >> -- >> Doug MacKay >> dmackay@fox.nstn.ca >Yes! Yes! Yes! I totally agree...people are afraid and hostile about what >they are ignorant of. Most people don't get it that the greagorian chants >is religious in some aspects (duh...). Anyway, good point Doug... I'm not sure he quite found is frightening... he wanted the album right away. None the less, I see your point. The sort of music Engima does is right out the window for some people-- but then, about 12 million people would probably beg to differ. There's something enrapturing about Enigma that I suppose might disturb some. ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:39:06 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: REVIEW: Delerium's "Semantic Spaces" To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi all, I just wanted to say how much I love this album. I also wanted to know what other "bands" create the type of music similar to the first track of Semantic Spaces, Flowers become screens. I really liked the "angelic voice" of Kristy Thirsk. I like the style of music that employs that type of angelic chorus and beat. Also, are Delerium's older albums any good? If anyone who heard Flowers become screens can suggest similar musical groups (with track and album names please) I'd really apreciate it. Thanks! -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:53:56 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Wertz Subject: Review of the group "Enchanted" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, out there. I just got a new CD from this group called Enchanted, so here's a little review. First off, this is a wanna-be Enigma group. Their advertisement in _Request_ magazine describes their music as containing "soulful Gregorian chants, nature sounds, and modern house beats." I can tell you right now that's exactly what it is. A friend of mine (who loved MCMXC a.D. and hated CoC) said that this album is what Enigma's second album should have been. I wouldn't go that far. This CD is 41 minutes long and has 11 tracks. Only five of these tracks contain an actual Gregorian chant and a dance beat. The rest of them are just about a minute of filler music before the next dance-beat/chant song. One of the tracks, "Fly Away," is strictly singing by the female vocalist, Dana Nicosia, which I find pretty lame. Dana's voice is good, but the lyrics are standard Top 40 fare. Incidentally, Dana's husband, MoJoe, produced/engineered the album. Sound familiar? On the whole, this album is strictly okay. I hesitantly recommend it if you can find it on sale like I did. Of course, if you are a huge Enigma fan like I am, then you'll undoubtedly like Enchanted, but Enchanted doesn't give me the same feeling Enigma did when I first heard it. Email me for a track-by-track rundown/review (I'm kinda new at this reviewing stuff, so please bear with me:) Later, Charlie cwertz@cc.dixie.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:27:38 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Special Edition is here To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The limited edition of the CROSS album, or The Cross Of Changes (Special Edition) as it is called, is now out in the stores. The details are as follows: Enigma: The Cross Of Changes (Special Edition) CD: 8 40045 2; 7243 8 40045 2 1 - CDVIRX 20 - PM 527 (P) 1993 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH (P)*1994 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH (C) 1993 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH 1. Second Chapter 2:16 2. The Eyes of Truth 7:13 3. Return to Innocence 4:17 4. I Love You ... I'll Kill You+ 8:51 5. Silent Warrior 6:10 6. The Dream of the Dolphin% 2:47 7. Age of Loneliness (Carly's Song)# 5:22 8. Out From the Deep 4:53 9. The Cross of Changes 2:23 10. Return to Innocence* (Long & Alive Version) 7:07 Remixed by "Curly" M.C. & Jens Gad 11. Age of Loneliness* (Enigmatic Club Mix) 128 BPM 6:23 Remixed by Jens Gad & Michael Cretu 12. The Eyes of Truth,* The Goetterdaemmerung Mix (The Twilight of the Gods) 140 BPM 7:17 Remixed by Jens Gad & "Curly" M.C. Total time: 65:05 All Tracks: Music & Lyrics by "Curly" M.C., except: + Music by "Curly" M.C., Lyrics by D. Fairstein & "Curly" M.C. % Music by "Curly" M.C., Lyrics by D. Fairstein Produced & Engineered by "Curly" Michael Cretu All Tracks Published by Enigma Songs/Mambo Music, except: # Published by Data Alpha-Mambo/Ensign Music Corp. (BMI) -- The appearance of the album is a very delicate one. As mentioned previously, the cover is in gold which replaces the other colours. It is in Digipak format, so when it is all opened there are three pages, the left- and innermost contains an "envelope" or container for the CD booklet. This booklet is exactly the same as the one for the original album, although updated to show the credits for the new tracks. There is also no merchandise page. The pages of the Digipak shows the pictures from the booklet, this time in gold. The cover sports a black white-lettered sticker saying: Special Limited Edition CD Includes 24 Ct. Gold Plated Disc Plus Extra Remixes 7243 8 40045 2 1 CDVIRX20 On the back of the cover the same numbering of the tracks is employed, but with three more tracks. These are not showed inside a 10-line figure etc., rather they have the symbol of their original or album version. Apart from the CD being gold plated, it is the same as the one for the original CROSS Of Changes. As for the music, you all know what that is like... For some though the remixes may be a new encounter. Let me just say that they are just appended on the album, so there is no flow between the original tracks and the remixes, or between them. -- All in all it makes for a very eye-catching and exclusive release. It appears to be a true limited edition, unlike the one for MCMXC a.D. which still can be found relatively easy in Europe. I am not sure how the other countries will handle it, but here in Norway there will be no promotion of this album, which is strange given that it would be such an ideal gift (for others or for yourself!). I imagine this special edition will have a release in most European countries (release date November 21). In Australia it will be out on December 2, but for the US a release seems doubtful. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:51:11 CST From: Jim English Subject: Special Edition is here To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) is the ltd edition the same price as normal cd's? (re: the 24crt gold plating) I have one on order and hope they don't jack up the price cause of the gold plating. (I know gold cd's sell here in the us for about 5$ - 10$ more than the regular counterparts. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa can bite me. (And usually does) "Bob, ain't that a bitch?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 23:09:34 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Special Edition is here To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hello Jim, > is the ltd edition the same price as normal cd's? (re: the 24crt gold plating) > I have one on order and hope they don't jack up the price cause of the > gold plating. (I know gold cd's sell here in the us for about 5$ - 10$ more > than the regular counterparts. Yes, this one cost a bit more than a regular CD, although no more than 3 USD. So the price for this was around 30 USD (European prices you know). Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:24:46 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Special Edition is here To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > is the ltd edition the same price as normal cd's? (re: the 24crt gold plating ) > I have one on order and hope they don't jack up the price cause of the > gold plating. (I know gold cd's sell here in the us for about 5$ - 10$ more > than the regular counterparts. Heres a dumb question that I have never been able to figure out myself. Is there any sound difference in a regular cd and a gold one? I have a few that are 24 ct gold (David Sylvian and Robert Fripp for example) but can't really tell any difference. Sorry aboput the lack of Enigma value here, but I always been curious. Not knowing what in the hell to do with my few days off, MC _____________________________________________________________________ | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "A man who never dreams goes slowly Mad" | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | The Gate - Thomas Dolby | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:59:32 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Special Edition is here To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Heres a dumb question that I have never been able to figure out myself. Is > there any sound difference in a regular cd and a gold one? No. If you put the same data on a gold CD and on a silver CD, the two discs will sound exactly the same. "Better-sounding" gold CDs sound better because more care was taken in their mastering, not because they use gold as the reflective surface instead of aluminum. The gold coloring is only for marketing purposes. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:07:34 -0800 From: bworrell@cclink.fhcrc.org (Brandon Worrell) Subject: Special Edition is here (USA) To: ENIGMA Distribution List >Yes, this one cost a bit more than a regular CD, although no more than >3 USD. So the price for this was around 30 USD (European prices you know). I just wanted to tell all of you that the Ltd. Edition Cross of Changes is available from EAR/Rational starting next week. The price is $26.50 and if ordering just this add $2 for shipping. (Or, if you are like me and can't seem to order less then $100 at a time, shipping is free.) Write to ear-rational@xmission.com with the subject as HELP. (Or go ahead and put CATALOG or CATALOG-ASCII.) --Brandon bworrell@fhcrc.org Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 20:08:57 -0400 From: "------------" Subject: Survey To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I apologise for posting this to the listserv (I've lost the administration address), but I seem to have missed the survey results, having been inactive for a week. Could someone email them to me? I'd be greatful. ...................... Joseph MacKay dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:58:21 +0100 From: Tamas Krisztian Subject: The cross of changes ltd.ed. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Only for US members!!! Is there anybody in the US who wants to get a copy of The cross of changes ltd.ed. ? If you want,send me a DISCO II ltd.ed. from the Pet Shop Boys (it's usually sold for $16.),then I'll send the Enigma's one. If you are interested in,please send me a private mail. krtom@ludens.elte.hu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:59:12 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: The Enigma web page is back on again To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au After an unvolunteraly shut-down of 10 days, the Enigma WWW page is now available again. Files that have been added recently include the press info for The CROSS Of Changes (regular edition), and the lyrics to Sandra's second album Mirrors. As usual the URL is: http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:59:56 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Wertz Subject: To those who requested an Enchanted review.... To: enigma list Um... the main server down here glitched and now I've lost all of my saved mail. To all those folks who requested a review, please email me again so that I'll know who to send to. (Sorry!) Charlie cwertz@cc.dixie.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:15:40 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Whats This? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Deep Forest "World Mix" Haven't seen, or even heard of, this before. What is it? Also while I'm at it, there's been a bit of talk lately about the band ENCHANTED. I saw a cross-post of a semi-review here and on every newsgroup I read, just wondering what the rest of you think of them. MC _____________________________________________________________________ | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "A man who never dreams goes slowly Mad" | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | The Gate - Thomas Dolby | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:16:27 -0800 From: donpierr@netcom.com (Don Gray) Subject: Whats This? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma List) >> Deep Forest "World Mix" mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) said: >Haven't seen, or even heard of, this before. What is it? I've seen it all over mainland Europe, but not anywhere in the U.K. or the U.S. It's expensive, due to the high prices of CDs in Europe -- it's about US$20 to $25 in general. It has the same tracks as the self-titled Deep Forest album, but it has several extra remixes on it. Kinda the same idea as the Enigma Limited Edition albums, I suppose. Don -- donpierr@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:37:50 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Whats This? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Mark. > > Deep Forest "World Mix" > > Haven't seen, or even heard of, this before. What is it? It is basically Deep Forest's "World Mix" with extra tracks (remixes). In Australia it also came out in special packagaing (a small book with the CD inside it). The extra tracks were (in Australia at least): Sweet Lullaby [Round the World Mix] 6'48 Sweet Lullaby [Apollo Mix] 7'20 Deep Forest [Sunrise at Alcatraz] 7'07 Forest Hymn [Apollo Mix] 6'46 Forest Hymn 5'49 > Also while I'm at it, there's been a bit of talk lately about the band > ENCHANTED. I saw a cross-post of a semi-review here and on every newsgroup I > read, just wondering what the rest of you think of them. Can't comment on this, but there has recently been a new CD released in Australia (other countries to follow) called "Sacred Spirit" which is Enigma-ish in sound but focuses solely on North American Indian chants. I have only heard parts of it and found the music quite good, although the chants seem badly out of place at times.... If I get a good listen to this album or have Virgin send me a copy I will post a detailed review. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Nov 94 21:44:51 -0400 From: "!" Subject: Whats This? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:16:27 -0800, Don Gray wrote: >>> Deep Forest "World Mix" > >mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) said: >>Haven't seen, or even heard of, this before. What is it? > >I've seen it all over mainland Europe, but not anywhere in the U.K. or the >U.S. It's expensive, due to the high prices of CDs in Europe -- it's about >US$20 to $25 in general. It has the same tracks as the self-titled Deep >Forest album, but it has several extra remixes on it. Kinda the same idea >as the Enigma Limited Edition albums, I suppose. As it happens, a ten minute walk will get me to a record store (here in Canada) that carries World Mix on CD. I suppose it must have fallen out of an import bin or some other point of bad organisation. I should mention that they had it in the rap section, so who knows how they opperate... -------------------------------- Doug MacKay The Daily News Halifax (902)468-1222 dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************