Enigma Digest December 1994 Volume 1 : Issue 12 (2 msgs) ADMIN: Documents updated (2 msgs) Australian release of CROSS of Changes (Special Edition) (fwd) (2 msgs) CD Singles Christmas message Cross of Changes US cds Cross Special Edition in Canada Delerium (Again...) Delerium (Again...) (fwd) Enchanted Review ENIGMA AND ME (2 msgs) Enigma Digest V1 #125 finally! (2 msgs) Future Albums? (2 msgs) GOLD EDITION? Hello... (3 msgs) Hi there! MEA CULPA PART II CD SINGLE My homework Out From The Deep is OUT! (2 msgs) Out Of The Deep. Where? (2 msgs) Out Of The Deep. Where? London! Pointer to DEEP FOREST FAQ, available via FTP and WWW! Questions answered (4 msgs) REVIEW WANTED (2 msgs) Rivers of Belief/ Mea Culpa Question (2 msgs) Sematic Spaces. Stuff I got (fwd) (2 msgs) Where can I get.... (4 msgs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:59:21 -0600 From: read bryan m Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, just wondering about which singles besides Sadness and Mea Culpa (both "part I's," right?) were turned into CD remix singles from MCXCM a. D.? I have the US releases of these. Were there any foreign versions, what should I look for? Luckily I was able to find, From Cross of Changes, some excellent UK imports of Eyes of Truth, and Age of Lonliness to add to my domestic US version of Return to Innocence. Now, apparently there is a remix CD of Cross of Changes or Out of the Deep, or is there? Just curious. -Bryan Read ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:34:05 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Bryan. > Hello, just wondering about which singles besides Sadness and Mea Culpa > (both "part I's," right?) were turned into CD remix singles from MCXCM a. D.? > I have the US releases of these. Were there any foreign versions, what > should I look for? Luckily I was able to find, From Cross of Changes, > some excellent UK imports of Eyes of Truth, and Age of Lonliness to add > to my domestic US version of Return to Innocence. Now, apparently there > is a remix CD of Cross of Changes or Out of the Deep, or is there? Just > curious. -Bryan Read Just for you Bryan here's a release list off the top of my head: Albums - MCMXC a.D. MCMXC a.D. 'Limited Edition' (not all countries) The CROSS of Changes THe CROSS of Changes "Special Limited Edition" (not all countries) Singles - Sadeness part 1 (Sadness part 1 in the UK and Australia) *Mea Culpa part II Principles of Lust (not all countries) The Rivers of Belief (not all countries) Carly's Song (Australia only) The Return to Innocence *the EYES of Truth (not all countries) *Age of Loneliness Out from the Deep (Europe only [??]) * - Also released as a limited edition in the UK Note that all release information refers locally (not to imports). "Not all countries" generally refers to the US only. Full details about each of these albums and singles can be found in the FAQs and discographies located at yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au:/listserv/enigma/Enigma Happy reading! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:17:27 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: ADMIN: Documents updated To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just a short note to advise you all that the FAQs (postscript and ASCII) have recently been updated with new information. The anonymous FTP site has also had new reviews added to it. Changed or new information includes: * Release information about: - Age of Loneliness single - Out from the Deep single - Special Limited Edition "CROSS of Changes" album * Corrected information about E-Magic and Euphonix * Alignment of ASCII FAQ to postscript FAQ (ie - added new information) * Layout changes to postscript FAQ * Reviews about: - Return to Innocence single - the EYES of Truth single - Age of Loneliness single * Additional pictures added. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 08:31:18 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: ADMIN: Documents updated To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Just a short note to advise you all that the FAQs (postscript and ASCII) have > recently been updated with new information. The Michael Cretu discography's been updated as well. It's available at http://rt66.com/ftp/users/lazlo/discographies/cretu (or ftp rt66.com and look in users/lazlo/discographies/cretu -- same difference). -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:11:02 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Australian release of CROSS of Changes (Special Edition) (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Gavin Stok Subject: Australian release of CROSS of Changes (Special Edition) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 02:13:10 +1100 (EST) Well the Special Limited Edition of "The CROSS of Changes" has been released in Australia as of November 28, 1994 and seems to be identical to that of the other countries. Here's the rundown: EMI: 7243 8 40045 2 1 CDVIRX 20 (CD) Packaging: Extended Digipak format Cover: Same as for normal release, but with EVERYTHING in gold except for the "of changes" text which was in white. On it was a sticker (white text on black background) saying "SPECIAL LIMITED EDITION CD includes 24 Ct.Gold Plated Disc plus extra remixes 7243 8 40045 2 1 CDVIRX 20" Blurb: Track listing as per normal release but with the remixes having the same symbols as for the standard track, all symbols being in gold, and all text being in white. Also the mix of "the EYES of Truth" was written in English (Goetterdaemmerung) instead of Norwegian (Gotterdammerung). Opening the cover reveals the CD casing and CD (as for normal release but gold CD) and the circular picture with the pyramid in the centre (from the normal booklet) but all in gold. Opening the page with this picture reveals the picture with the buddha like image (from the normal booklet, the picture after the previous one described) but all in gold, and the one of the man in the pentagon (from the normal booklet) but all in gold. The booklet is also in a pouch behind the picture of this image. Booklet: The booklet itself is indentical to that of the normal edition, although the paper is a thick cardboard (different to that of the original European edition). The track listing page does not have the symbol of the normal booklets in the background, but lists all the extra remixes with their times. Also, the credits on the last page has its background much darker than on the normal booklet so they can be easily read. All in all, the package is brilliantly presented. My only qualms are that the remixes did not flow on from one to another (which seems to indicate to me that Michael Cretu had little or no say in this release) as they did with the Limited Edition to "MCMXC a.D.". It was interesting to note, however, the the remixes went Return to Innocence, Age of Loneliness, and then the EYES of Truth despite the releases of these singles being in a different order. >From what I can gather so far, this release may in fact be limited (unlike the one for MCMXC a.D. which is still readily available in Australia and many parts of Europe!) so it may be a worthwhile investment..... Joar, is your version of it any different to what I reported? Enjoy! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au PS - To Charles, good to see you made the wise decision to post your review to the list (you should have done it in the first place!! *grin*) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:41:56 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Australian release of CROSS of Changes (Special Edition) (fwd) To: ENIGMA Distribution List > From: Gavin Stok > text being in white. Also the mix of "the EYES of Truth" was written in > English (Goetterdaemmerung) instead of Norwegian (Gotterdammerung). Goetterdaemmerung (or Gotterdammerung if you like), is actually German... (meaning literally "the twilight of the gods"). > of Europe!) so it may be a worthwhile investment..... Joar, is your version of > it any different to what I reported? Nope, it was the same. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 17:15:31 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: CD Singles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Hello, just wondering about which singles besides Sadness and Mea Culpa > (both "part I's," right?) were turned into CD remix singles from MCXCM a. D.? All four singles from MCMXC a.D. got issued as CD-singles, though "The Rivers Of Belief" and "Principles Of Lust" were issued in Europe/The UK only and are very hard to find. Check the discography for details. > Now, apparently there is a remix CD of Cross of Changes or Out of the > Deep, or is there? There's a special edition Cross Of Changes that adds three tracks: 7:07 Return to Innocence (long & alive version) [Curly MC/Gad] 6:23 Age of Loneliness (enigmatic club mix) [Gad/Cretu] 7:17 The Eyes of Truth (the goetterdaemmerung mix) [Gad/Curly MC] Nothing new there if you already have the singles for these tracks. And "Out From The Deep" is just out as a single (CD available) in the past few weeks. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 11:25:14 +1100 (EST) From: gpsto1@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au (Gavin Stok) Subject: Christmas message To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all! Yes this is that time of the year where the chaos they call Christmas is upon us. So on behalf of Joar and myself I'd wish you all a happy Christmas. For some of you it will be a white Christmas, and for others of you it will be quite the opposite. But regardless, I hope you enjoy the time and depending on your religion or country of origin, enjoy Santa's presents! Gavin and Joar (Presdient and Vice-president of the Enigma mailing list) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:45:32 -0500 (EST) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: Cross of Changes US cds To: Enigma Mailing List Some old news here... Just wondering about the two different US cds of The Cross Of Changes. One has additional artwork in the insert and (very) slightly different artwork on the cd. Does anyone know (1) why they did this and (2) is one more uncommon than the other? Thanks! -- John N. Underwood - junderw@cs.clemson.edu http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html A n d T h r o u g h T h e W i r e P e t e r G a b r i e l http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/pg.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:22:50 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Cross Special Edition in Canada To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The following piece of correspondance was received from Greg Reid: > Hi, I was just browsing the Enigma Home page and read your entry > about the limited edition disk for Cross of Changes. Just to add to > your information (if your interested) although you mention that there > will likely not be a release in the states, it has been released in > Canada. I just picked it up today! However it's not uncommon > to get disks here that are not available in the US but if there are > some devote american fans looking for this disk then they might be > interested in knowing (easier to cross the boarder for a disk then it > is to fly to Europe or Australia). > > Greg Reid > GREID@Calumet.yorku.ca > York University, > Toronto, Canada. So has the Cross Of Changes (Special Edition) been released in Canada, or did he just come across an import copy? What is the situation in the US, any signs of the album there? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 20:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Delerium (Again...) To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi, I was wondering if you could describe what the video was like. Any good? BTW, is MUCH a program on MTV or something? I have no clue as to what that is. Thanks! -Alex On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, ------------ wrote: > Just today, I saw the "Flowers Become Screens" video on Much. Having > already heard more than enough about the music from you folks here [:-)], > I thought I'd see if anyone knows about the group's background. Where are > they from? Is this there first album? How's the album selling? etc. > > > Thanx > ...................... > Joseph MacKay > dmackay@fox.nstn.ns.ca > ...................... > "All that we see or seem > Is but a dream within a dream." > -Edgar Alan Poe > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 11:10:03 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Delerium (Again...) (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Gavin Stok Subject: Re: Delerium (Again...) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:55:28 +1100 (EST) Howdy. > Just today, I saw the "Flowers Become Screens" video on Much. Having > already heard more than enough about the music from you folks here [:-)], > I thought I'd see if anyone knows about the group's background. Where are > they from? Is this there first album? How's the album selling? etc. Well I'll tell you the limited bits I know: * Delerium are a side-project to Front Line Assembly, the main work the artists of Delerium do. * The artists of Delerium are also known in Intermix and many other side projects. * Delerium's studios are in Canada (a home-built setup) * Delerium are currently on tour for 2 months doing Frontline Assembly shows * From what I could gather from Nettwerk, a lot of you members enquired or purchased the album - I've hear no complaints so I presume the service was good. The album itself (along with the single) has charted in Canadian charts. * Two recent Delerium CDs include "Spheres I" and "Spheres II" which are very different sounding to "Semantic Spaces" (more dancey) and are not out on Nettwerk Records. * Delerium have released around 6-7 other albums under the name. If you look in the front.line.assembly directory at cs.uwp.edu you will get a full run-down. Hope this helps! Gavin "wishing he had more than just Semantic Spaces" Stok (Enigma mailing list President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:10:28 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Enchanted Review To: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) > > Track 3: Angels (Mother's Theme) 3:48 > 'Angels' runs right off of 'Enchanted' (Actually, all the tracks on the > album run directly to the next one without a pause); the beat is exactly > the same. The Gregorian chant changes also; it's more cheerful and > uplifting. I liked this one; I wouldn't be surprised to see 'Angels' as > Enchanted's first single. I saw Enchanted's first single yesterday, its for "Enchanted" and has four tracks on the CD5. I don't remember the track listing but 1 of the the mixes was an edit and one was a "jazzy remix". I gave it a quick listen and decided that my money would best be spent on something else. MC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | "I must be of some use to somebody. I mean there | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | must be a reason for me ... right? - T. Russell | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 03 Jan 00 22:14:36 -0800 From: Gulliver.Flynn@216.genesplicer.org (Gulliver Flynn) Subject: Enigma And Me To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just joined the mailing list, and I figured I'd send in my homework: Gulliver Flynn 24 Collection: MCMXC A.D. MCMXC A.D. "The Limited Edition" Sadeness Part I (single) Sadeness Part I (MaxiCD) Mea Culpa Part II (single) Mea Culpa Part II (MaxiCD) Rivers Of Belief (single) Principles Of Lust (single/Jap) Carly's Song (single) Carly's Song (promo) Cross Of Changes (Holland/Germany?) Return To Innocence (promo) Return To Innocence (single/German) Eyes Of Truth (single) Eyes Of Truth (ltd - gold) Age Of Lonliness (single) Age Of Lonliness (ltd - red) Out From The Deep (single) All of these are on CD. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing besides the Hologram version? I first heard Enigma before they had charted in the US. They were being played on the local college station (KUNV) on a dance/ambient kind of show. Other Artists: Concrete Blonde, Pop Will Eat Itself, Consolidated, Sky Cries Mary, Prodigy, Nine Inch Nails, Machines Of Loving Grave, Bob Marley, Janes Addiction, Belly, Cub, Lords Of Acid, Primus, Art Of Noise, Sisters Of Mercy, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Beastie Boys, Peter Gabriel, The Orb, 808 State, Dead Kennedys, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Agent Orange, Depeche Mode, Pink Floyd, Dick Dale, Psychefunkapus, Suicidal Tendencies, Billy Idol, Gary Clail, Meat Beat Manifesto, Public Eneny, Urge Overkill, Live, Violent Femmes... (at +600 CD's now) Course/Work: I'm currently working as an electrician doing new construction specializing in underground pipe work, temporary power, and air conditioning. I also volunteer DJ at the local college station (KUNV) once a week. Interesting Info: I have a portable DAT machine and stereo mics that I take with me to concerts. I haven't traded any tapes yet, but if someone has any live Concrete Blonde, Belly, Nine Inch Nails, etc... I'd be willing to start trading. I'm also a collection freak: If I know a CD is out there, and it's by an artist I like (like Enigma, Concrete Blonde, Belly, etc), I do everything I can do get it. Gulliver Flynn EmacsDLG/DLGTag: Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die, your soul goes up the on roof and gets stuck. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Dec 94 07:32:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (DON WEIR) Subject: ENIGMA AND ME To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Gulliver Flynn said/asked - GF> Principles Of Lust (single/Jap) the German mastered by nimbus version. It has the Jazz mix in lieu of the beautiful Everlasting Lust mix and Sadness Part 1 with Radio Edit mix rather than Meditation mix GF> Cross Of Changes (Holland/Germany?) the Swindon pressing and the alike not so limited Gold edition. Difference is fourth track 'tracking vocals'. The German version, in my opinion sounds not unlike Led Zeppelin, the other could be Angel Hard. The general ambience is improved on the German version, along with better defined bass. There are two videos: Enigma MCMXC aD - excellent quality and as per the earlier album Enigma Compile/Virgin Records - 30 mins of video clips. Not HiFi sound. One T Shirt: Cross Of Changes. I have one want, trance remix of Cross Of Changes. Happy Christmas! Don don.weir@mcc.sydpcug.org.au * POB 696 Manly NSW 2095 Australia * +612 976 2056 * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:46:23 -0700 (MST) From: "Eric T. Schaffner" Subject: Enigma Digest V1 #125 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 6 Dec 1994 joarg@hsr.no wrote: > It seems that you have the exact opposite opinion on this than me! I > think it is the best Enigma remix, actually one of the best remixes done > no matter artists or genre. It totally transforms the original version > yet contains what made it unique. The title is also very suggestive of > the content. :) I agree with you. The screams and other samples of suffering and pain match the song well! I was a bit mystified was to why the album version was so tame when I first heard it. The violent mix has music to complement the lyrics and subject of the song, after all! :) -Eric ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eric T. Schaffner schaffet@Colorado.EDU ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Satisfying a savage instinct, undomesticated by the ego, is uncomparably much more intense than the one of satisfying a tamed instinct--the reason has become the enemy that prevents us from many of possibilities of pleasure. S. Freud ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:11:40 -0700 (MST) From: "C. Frederick Palmer" Subject: finally! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well I'm finally doing my homework for the list. My collection includes MCMXCAD (the limited edition) cd Sadeness Part 1 cd5 Mea Culpa Part 2 cd5 Rivers of belief cass single Carly's song cass single Cross of Changes (Limited edition Gold) cd Age of loneliness cd5 Age of loneliness (european import) cd5 Return to innocence (european import) cd5 Eye's of truth (european import) cd5 Out from the Deep (european import) cd5 Videos Part One VHS I first heard Enigma about 5yrs ago while at a club. It was the violent U.S. mix of Sadeness(the first cd5 I ever purchased of Enigma). I'm a real big fan of Enigma. Some of my favorites are the everlasting lust mix of principles of lust, the orthodox version of Mea Culpa, the 380 midnight mix of return to innocence and the rock version of out from the deep. I also have one question: I lost the address to Ear/Rational music, could someone please post it. Thanks -F R E D R I C K C I R D E R F R E D R I C K- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:44:04 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: finally! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I also have one question: I lost the address to Ear/Rational music, could > someone please post it. > > Thanks > > -F R E D R I C K C I R D E R F R E D R I C K- Ear Rational address, For catalog its : ear-rational@xmission.com Subject: CATALOG ASCII For Dave its: angst@xmission.com Later, MC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Dec 94 14:09:00 M From: "Abe L. Arnett" Subject: Future Albums? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au List: I have a question. Does anyone know when Engima is coming out with their next album and what it will be like? Thanks. Abe "Abo" Arnett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 14:48:52 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Future Albums? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. > I have a question. Does anyone know when Engima is coming out with > their next album and what it will be like? I wish I could tell you! If the pattern continues you can expect a new Enigma album in late 1996. However, in the mean time you can expect a new Sandra album in February 1995 (in Europe) which is all done by Michael Cretu anyway! (except the singing that is!). Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Dec 94 23:07:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (DON WEIR) Subject: GOLD EDITION? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Gavin.. Had troubles trying to get the Listserv to accept me after it thru me off weeks ago! Have I missed much on the Limited Gold Edition and Out From The Deep single? Thanx don.weir@mcc.sydpcug.org.au * POB 696 Manly NSW 2095 Australia * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 01:17:47 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Gordon Subject: Hello... To: ENIGMA Name: Jason Gordon Age: 18 Location: Boston University Occupation (of sorts): Engineering student/Enigma fan Other groups I like: Enya, 10000 Maniacs, Toad the Wet Sprocket Albums owned: MCMXC a.d. and The CROSS of Changes (I've only owned a cd player for a few months...my collection is building slowly...the two Enigma albums were esentials 8) My first question: any insights into Sandra and the other person mentioned in Enigma having his own singles albums (pardon my forgetfulness...finals week)...any info...good/bad....what style...best albums...etc... Thanx Happy Holidays o<|8-)- Jason Gordon aka gordo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Dec 94 22:59:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (DON WEIR) Subject: HELLO... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Jason and welcome to the group! JG> Albums owned: MCMXC a.d. and The CROSS of Changes (I've only owned a cd JG> player for a few months...my collection is building slowly...the two won't be long before your CDs are worth more than the player. (Recommended retail price that is.) One guy I know, and I'm not sure if he's a member of this mail list, but he has all the videos, singles and CDs of Enigma, Micheal Cretu and Sandra and he has a krappy $150 CD player, $30 twenty year old amp and $50 speakers and the CD collection I think reaches the amount of about 800 CDs. And of course, a VCR to watch Sandra on! You've got a way to go Jason! JG> My first question: any insights into Sandra and the other person JG> mentioned in Enigma having his own singles albums (pardon my President Stok you'll find very helpful here. In fact, my appreciation for Enigma has grown because of His comments and articles e.g. the FAQ. Where was your copy of Cross Of Changes pressed? Is this the Swindon or Dutch job? Check the centre ring. Ok. The fourth track on the Dutch pressing in the 'echoing background vocal' sounds very much like Led Zeppelin's Robert Plant (bit before your time eh? No worries, plenty of kids here as well as old farts). As far as I know, the Dutch pressing was what was being sold late last year in Germany. don.weir@mcc.sydpcug.org.au * POB 696 Manly NSW 2095 Australia don.weir@mcc.sydpcug.org.au * POB 696 Manly NSW 2095 Australia * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 22:57:16 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Hello... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > My first question: any insights into Sandra and the other person > mentioned in Enigma having his own singles albums (pardon my > forgetfulness...finals week)...any info...good/bad....what style...best > albums...etc... The Hubert KaH and Sandra albums will feel like pretty familiar territory if you like Enigma (especially Cross Of Changes) -- less trancy/more pop in both cases, but recognizably similar. The only KaH album you're likely to stumble across is The Sound Of My Heart, and it's excellent. All of Sandra's stuff is import-only in the US (except for an out of print compilation); my favorite Sandra album is still Into A Secret Land. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 00:09:01 +1100 (EST) From: MICHAEL LUKE Subject: Hi there! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just a quick message to introduce myself to all of you other Enigma fans out there! Name: Michael Luke Age: 20 Enigma Collection: MCMXC a.D "Original album" MCMXC a.D. "Special Limited Edition" Cross of Changes Age of Loneliness CD Single Return to Innocence Mea Culpa Part II cd single) The eyes of Truth CD Single Where i first heard Enigma: At a friend house (after he bought the first CD single [sadeness pt . 1??] in 1991. - and on the radio. Fan level: Pretty huge - would love to have the 'complete collection' of singles (or at least a copy of each of them) Other artists i like: DEEP Forest, Moodfood, Mike Olfield, Vangelis, Jarre, Sacred Spirit, Kitaro, etc. Job: Work for the Depart. of Employment, Education and Training (Well, it pays the bills) and am studying Associate Diploma of Applied Science (Computing) part time. Well, must go. Feel free to write anytime. "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars" Arthur C. Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:15:50 -0500 (EST) From: Shan-e-Ali Haider Subject: MEA CULPA PART II CD SINGLE To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all. I just got the Mea Culpa cd single and I must say it was money well spent. I love all three mixes... It would have been neat if they could have added a couple more mixes though.. Spending $11 for 3 mixes is a bit pricy. My fav. mix is the Orthodox mix. I was dreading that the Mea culpa CD5 might have remixes similar to "Sadeness" (which I personally didn't like AT ALL), but they are actually darn good. I have a question though.. why are the cd singles called "Sadeness part 1" and "Mea Culpa Part II"? Why not just "Sadeness" and "Mea Culpa"? I didn't have time to check the discography so please excuse me if this is mentioned in it.. Thanks Shan. P.S Now if only I could find "Principles Of Lust" and "Rivers of belief" CD5s -- **********************************************************************|PET | Won't You Teach Me How To Love And Learn? There'll Be Nothing Left For|SHOP| Me To Yearn.Think Of Me And Burn And Let Me Hold Your Hand::::C()R()NA|BOYS| **********************************************************************|RULE| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 17:42:47 -0500 From: vmolina@uipr1.inter.edu (Victor M. Molina) Subject: My homework To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hola !! I'm new to the list, so here's my homework: Name: Victor M Molina Age: 29 First Heard: I so the video on MTV and sice I liked gregorian chants it really catced my attention. Other Artist: I like Madonna, Pet Shop Boys, Informtion Society, Thecno music, Eros Ramazzotti, and some Rock Groups from Latin America. Job: I'm a supervisor at the Computer Center of Interamerican University of Puerto Rico, Central Administration. Comments: I'm not a die hard fan but I really like the work of Enigma and other groups like them (Deep Forest, etc.). I'm new to Internet so I like to learn from people around the world. I'm also subscribed to the Madonna and Pet Shop Boys lists.. That's all for now. Keep Livin'... Bye... CK1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:00:48 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Out From The Deep is OUT! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi John, and thanks for the following info. > Out From The Deep - November 1994 > [CD: Virgin 8 92691 2 (DINSD 141, PM 515)] > 1. Radio Edit (4:27) > 2. Rock Version (6:44) > 3. Trance Mix (168BPM) (5:49) > 4. Short Radio Edit (3:30) > Note: thin jewel box, cover has black background and the > "person" from the cover of the Cross of Changes; > disc is black with white print. Can you please tell me the following details: 1. Who is credited for each of the remixes (Jens Gad probably did 1 or 2 of them) 2. Where you got it from and if imported, where it was imported from. This release is really mysterious since no record company seems to be able to tell me that they've release it or plan to release it!!!!! As always, any information would be appreciated. thanks in advance, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au PS - Any comments on the remixes yet? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Dec 94 23:41:56 CST From: Jim English Subject: Out From The Deep is OUT! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) > > Out From The Deep - November 1994 > > [CD: Virgin 8 92691 2 (DINSD 141, PM 515)] > > 1. Radio Edit (4:27) > > 2. Rock Version (6:44) > > 3. Trance Mix (168BPM) (5:49) > > 4. Short Radio Edit (3:30) > > Note: thin jewel box, cover has black background and the > > "person" from the cover of the Cross of Changes; > > disc is black with white print. > > Can you please tell me the following details: > > 1. Who is credited for each of the remixes (Jens Gad probably did 1 or 2 of > them) Jens Gad is credited for tracks 2 and 3. > 2. Where you got it from and if imported, where it was imported from. Mine says printed in holland and the disc says made in holland. (but there was a made in germany sticker on it). It is the Euro release I'm surmising. > > This release is really mysterious since no record company seems to be able to > tell me that they've release it or plan to release it!!!!! As always, any > information would be appreciated. Well, it is released and it is from Virgin Schallplatten. > > PS - Any comments on the remixes yet? Well, the Rock version is interesting, adding more guitar work and such, but I'd say the Trance mix was the best one. Enough of the radio and short edits already! :) -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa is anal. "God damn bushmaster." "Is it, uhhh, is it poisonous?" "Yup, but very tasty!" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 9:03:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Claudio Tinnirello Subject: Out Of The Deep. Where? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'm in the UK right now and can't find any Out Of The Deep CD singles. Has it been released here yet? All the store say it hasn't and that there are no dates, but i want to try and grab a copy before i head back next week. Anyone? Was it just a EU release? claudio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:33:21 +1100 (EST) From: gpsto1@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au (Gavin Stok) Subject: Out Of The Deep. Where? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Claudio. > I'm in the UK right now and can't find any Out Of The Deep > CD singles. Has it been released here yet? All the store > say it hasn't and that there are no dates, but i want to > try and grab a copy before i head back next week. > > Anyone? I falsely stated in a post a few weeks ago that it had only been released in the UK and parts of Europe. The truth is that it has only been released in parts of Europe and nowhere else. Staff from Virgin UK and EMI Australia have no record of it being released in the future. Gavin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 9:59:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Claudio Tinnirello Subject: Out Of The Deep. Where? London! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Gavin mentioned: > I falsely stated in a post a few weeks ago that it had only been released in > the UK and parts of Europe. The truth is that it has only been released in > parts of Europe and nowhere else. Staff from Virgin UK and EMI Australia have > no record of it being released in the future. Fancy that. A colleague of mine went down to London last night and found "Out Of The Deep" CDsingle at Tower Records. It's a UK release even though all the record stores swear it's not being released here. Hopefully it'll go on general release soon, but if not you'd (UK people) better grab a copy while they're there! claudio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:50:34 -0800 From: quad@best.com (Don Gray) Subject: Pointer to DEEP FOREST FAQ, available via FTP and WWW! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma List) I am sending this pointer to the Engima list because some people feel there is a similarity in the styles of Enigma and Deep Forest, and because there has been a fair amount of interest/discussion in the past from/on this list. via WWW: http://www.best.com/~quad/quad.html via FTP: ftp.best.com /pub/quad/deep.forest/DeepForest-FAQ.txt Check it out! Don -- quad@best.com (formerly donpierr@netcom.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Dec 1994 11:29:16 +1100 (EST) From: gpsto1@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au (Gavin Stok) Subject: Questions answered To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au There's been a few questions recently, so here's my answers to them: 1. There is no conclusive answer to the part 1 and part II saga, but it may be because it was wanted for the order of the singles to be made apparent. 2. The cover of Mea Culpa part II does not feature Sandra - it is some other girl who appears in the music video. 3. It is Michael Cretu who sings in The Rivers of Belief. This is proven by the fact that he sings that line on screen in the music video. Some lucky person found the Mea Culpa part II single the other day - congrats! Personally I made the find of the decade the other day in finding the hologram limited edition of MCMXC a.D. here in Australia (where it was never released). Words can't describe how surprised and delighted I was to find it! Anyway, it just goes to prove that if you keep looking you will find those Enigma items which seem impossible to obtain. Happy Enigma listening! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 21:21:20 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Questions answered To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Dec 23, 11:29am, Gavin Stok wrote: > 2. The cover of Mea Culpa part II does not feature Sandra - it is some other > girl who appears in the music video. Interestingly, the cover of the first German release of Mea Culpa is different from the common cover - this has a picture of the girl from the Sadeness video. Furthermore, the background is not black but has pastelle colours. The cover looks very good, and it's appearance is superior to the common cover, in my opinion. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Dec 94 14:40:31 CST From: Jim English Subject: Questions answered To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) > > On Dec 23, 11:29am, Gavin Stok wrote: > > > 2. The cover of Mea Culpa part II does not feature Sandra - it is some other > > girl who appears in the music video. > > Interestingly, the cover of the first German release of Mea Culpa is > different from the common cover - this has a picture of the girl from > the Sadeness video. Furthermore, the background is not black but has > pastelle colours. The cover looks very good, and it's appearance is > superior to the common cover, in my opinion. > > Hey, I've never seen that one. Is there a scan on the www site? -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa is anal. "God damn bushmaster." "Is it, uhhh, is it poisonous?" "Yup, but very tasty!" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 22:10:03 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Questions answered To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Dec 27, 2:40pm, Jim English wrote: > > > > On Dec 23, 11:29am, Gavin Stok wrote: > > > > > 2. The cover of Mea Culpa part II does not feature Sandra - it is some other > > > girl who appears in the music video. > > > > Interestingly, the cover of the first German release of Mea Culpa is > > different from the common cover - this has a picture of the girl from > > the Sadeness video. Furthermore, the background is not black but has > > pastelle colours. The cover looks very good, and it's appearance is > > superior to the common cover, in my opinion. > > > Hey, I've never seen that one. Is there a scan on the www site? Not at the moment. I have that single on 12", so it can't be scanned right away on the ordinary A4 scanner that I use. Hopefully I will get a scan somehow, though. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 21:07:18 -0500 (EST) From: Shan-e-Ali Haider Subject: REVIEW WANTED To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey all. I don't know if anyone already did this, but could someone review the Out From The Deep CD5 + the Ltd. Edt. Cross Of Changes. Thanks Shan. -- **********************************************************************|PET | Won't You Teach Me How To Love And Learn? There'll Be Nothing Left For|SHOP| Me To Yearn.Think Of Me And Burn And Let Me Hold Your Hand::::C()R()NA|BOYS| **********************************************************************|RULE| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Dec 1994 23:07:14 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: REVIEW WANTED To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Hey all. I don't know if anyone already did this, but could someone review > the Out From The Deep CD5 + the Ltd. Edt. Cross Of Changes. There's not much to say about the gold-edition Cross Of Changes unless you want someone to effuse about the pretty packaging. The bonus tracks are all previously-released material. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Dec 1994 00:21:11 -0500 (EST) From: Shan-e-Ali Haider Subject: Rivers of Belief/ Mea Culpa Question To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I had a question about "Rivers Of Belief" . Who is the guy who sings the lyrics in the end "Take me back to the Rivers of Belief.. Just lookk into your soul..." Secondly who is the woman on the cover of the Mea Culpa Cd5.. is that Sandra? Thanks again Shan -- **********************************************************************|PET | Won't You Teach Me How To Love And Learn? There'll Be Nothing Left For|SHOP| Me To Yearn.Think Of Me And Burn And Let Me Hold Your Hand::::C()R()NA|BOYS| **********************************************************************|RULE| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 23:15:25 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Rivers of Belief/ Mea Culpa Question To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > I had a question about "Rivers Of Belief" . Who is the guy who sings the > lyrics in the end "Take me back to the Rivers of Belief.. Just lookk into > your soul..." After comparing it to some of Cretu's solo stuff, I'm sure it's him. > Secondly who is the woman on the cover of the Mea Culpa Cd5.. is that > Sandra? No...Sandra is a little older, a lot more lithe looking, and has bigger eyes. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: Use the Internet Music Wantlists to find rare records and CDs. ::: Email wantlists@rt66.com with HELP on a line by itself in the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 09:58:53 GMT From: jon_w@oldham.gpsemi.COM (Jonathan Walker) Subject: Sematic Spaces. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Gavin, Read your review of Semantic Spaces, thought the review was very good. Ok you sold it to me, I am in the process of filling in the order form. How long did it take for it to arrive in Oz ? Was it worth the wait! Jonathan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ___ ___ Jonathan Walker " " " __( )====:: __( )====:: GEC Plessey Semiconductors "" " /~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~\ Oldham, Great Britain. \!/ \O.O.O.O.O/ \O.O.O.O.O/ E-mail: jon_w@oldham.gpsemi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 11:24:46 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Stuff I got (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Shan-E-Ali Haider Subject: Stuff I got To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 21:05:09 -0500 (EST) Hi all. I am posting to the list after a loong time. I just got 2 cd singles which are my VERY first Enigma cd singles. (Yes, bro. I got THEM!!) I got the single for Eyes of Truth.. I like the Gotterdammerung (sp?) mix.. but I especially like the Dub Version.... Overall though I would give the cd a 6/10. I also got the Sadeness cd single which was A BIG disappointment. The Violent US Remix is one of the worst mixes I have ever heard..totally out of place. the Extended Trance Mix is nice and the Meditation mix is okay.. nothing fancy... still Not TOO bad. Actually the singles I do want are Rivers Of Belief (I believe someone else is also searching for this on the list) and Carly's song. Anyone know of a good/cheap import store in the U.S that might carry the Carly's Song cd single? Thanks Shan -- It was absolutely fabulous the way one thing led to another. He was the man who had everything and ironically when they first met she thought he was from outer space.She may have been forever in love with his KDX 125, but she never could ride it'cause whenever she tried to, her head would start spinning.-PSB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:02:16 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Stuff I got (fwd) To: ENIGMA Distribution List > From: Shan-E-Ali Haider Hi Shan. I forwarded your message as it got stuck at yoyo. > I also got the Sadeness cd single which was A BIG disappointment. > The Violent US Remix is one of the worst mixes I have ever heard..totally out It seems that you have the exact opposite opinion on this than me! I think it is the best Enigma remix, actually one of the best remixes done no matter artists or genre. It totally transforms the original version yet contains what made it unique. The title is also very suggestive of the content. :) > of place. the Extended Trance Mix is nice and the Meditation mix is okay.. > nothing fancy... still Not TOO bad. All in all, what makes the remixes from MCMXC a.D. so interesting is that they contain elements from all the songs. The Fading Shades version of 'Mea Culpa' has parts from 'Principles Of Lust' and 'The Rivers Of Belief', and The Returning Silence version of 'The Rivers Of Belief' uses the rhythm from 'Callas Went Away'. For this reason I think the mixes from The CROSS Of Changes were not as good as the ones from the first album. The CROSS mixes were less unique and too 'dancey', although the ones for Return To Innocence were an exception. I haven't heard the Out From The Deep single yet, so I can't comment on this. > Actually the singles I do want are Rivers Of Belief (I believe > someone else is also searching for this on the list) and Carly's song. > Anyone know of a good/cheap import store in the U.S that might carry the > Carly's Song cd single? Thanks The Rivers Of Belief is probably the most wanted Enigma single! As mentioned earlier, your best bet would be to seek out second-hand stores, record fairs, and record collector magazines. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:50:14 CST From: Jim English Subject: Where can I get.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) hey list, where can I get the Rivers of Belief and Principles of Lust CD singles? Those are the only 2 I am missing. I would really like the ltd. Rivers of belief that held all 4 cd singles from MCMXC a.D. Always looking... -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** h! f r++ !n y+** The University of Tulsa can bite me. (And usually does) "Bob, ain't that a bitch?" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 19:01:49 CST From: mmurcia@students.wisc.edu Subject: Where can I get.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In Message Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:50:14 CST, Jim English writes: >hey list, where can I get the Rivers of Belief and Principles of Lust >CD singles? Those are the only 2 I am missing. I would really like the >ltd. Rivers of belief that held all 4 cd singles from MCMXC a.D. >Always looking... >-jim >-- >______________________________________________________________________________ >Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu > >(Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? >L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** >h! f r++ !n y+** > >The University of Tulsa can bite me. (And usually does) > >"Bob, ain't that a bitch?" Jim: Is there an alternative music store nearby you, or at least a Tower Records that you can get to? That would be your best bet. If you still can't find the Principles of Lust CD single, then I'd be happy to get you a copy on tape. I think "Principles of Lust" is pretty difficult to find. I found a copy at the Tower Records in Hiroshima, Japan! Much luck to you on your search... Milagros (yes, there are actually people on this earth who are named after "The Milagro Beanfield War" movie) >______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 12:10:05 +1100 (EST) From: Gavin Stok Subject: Where can I get.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day Jim. > hey list, where can I get the Rivers of Belief and Principles of Lust > CD singles? Those are the only 2 I am missing. I would really like the > ltd. Rivers of belief that held all 4 cd singles from MCMXC a.D. > Always looking... Like anyone else, check out second-hand stores, Goldmine magazines, places like CDEurope.com (at your own risk), or try to find someone who suddenly hates Enigma and wants to sell their collection (can't say I've seen this happen yet!). As for the ltd. Rivers of Belief single, it doesn't exist - it's actually the ltd. Mea Culpa part II single you described...... I'm wanting to own it too..... On another issue, it seems all the idiots came out to play yesterday with trying to signoff to the wrong address. To iterate, to unsubscribe from the mailing list send mail to listserv@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au with the words "signoff enigma" or "signoff enigma-digest" (for digest members). Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > -jim > -- > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu > > (Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? > L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** > h! f r++ !n y+** > > The University of Tulsa can bite me. (And usually does) > > "Bob, ain't that a bitch?" > ______________________________________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Dec 94 12:32:10 CST From: mmurcia@students.wisc.edu Subject: Where can I get.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In Message Thu, 1 Dec 94 12:50:14 CST, Jim English writes: >hey list, where can I get the Rivers of Belief and Principles of Lust >CD singles? Those are the only 2 I am missing. I would really like the >ltd. Rivers of belief that held all 4 cd singles from MCMXC a.D. >Always looking... >-jim >-- >______________________________________________________________________________ >Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu > >(Geek Code 2.0): GCS/MU d--(----) h+ s:- g+ p? au+ a- w++@ v? C++ UH+++ P? >L- 3- N+++ K- W+ M-- V- -po+ Y t 5-- j- r G+++>++++ v b+ D+ b--- e+ u++** >h! f r++ !n y+** > >The University of Tulsa can bite me. (And usually does) > >"Bob, ain't that a bitch?" Jim: Is there an alternative music store nearby you, or at least a Tower Records that you can get to? That would be your best bet. If you still can't find the Principles of Lust CD single, then I'd be happy to get you a copy on tape. I think "Principles of Lust" is pretty difficult to find. I found a copy at the Tower Records in Hiroshima, Japan! Much luck to you on your search... Milagros (yes, there are actually people on this earth who are named after "The Milagro Beanfield War" movie) >______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************