Enigma Digest March 1995 Volume 2 : Issue 3 'alo. (4 msgs) About me About RCPT Hi! Hi! Hi! A LITTLE HELP FOR MY FRIE A little help for my friend AT last my homework. Ausgewahlte Goldstucke Best of GREGORIAN CD??? (7 msgs) cdeurope? cd now http:// Cretu/Moto Special Deep Forest Deep Forest/Dao Dezi donerb@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu ENIGMA DIGEST V1 #19ÿÿÿÿÿ Enigma Digest V1 #194 (2 msgs) Enigma Digest V1 #212 Enigma Digest V1 #218 (2 msgs) Enigma findings! Enigma vs. Dead can Dance Everlasting love... (5 msgs) found: principles of lust (finally) cheer! gregorian GREGORIAN 'SADISFACTION' (4 msgs) hello (3 msgs) Here's Another New Guy! Info for the Enigma FAQ (fwd) info needed on GREGORIAN 'SADISFACTION' Intro (fwd) Introduction intro stuff Just Joined Let me guess... (2 msgs) Limited Editions MCMXC A.D. Hologram Cover MCMXC a.D. limited! MCMXCAD VIDEO LD (6 msgs) Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Gregorian (3 msgs) MIKE OLDFIELD'S MAC (2 msgs) My aplogize - What's up with RCPT: Hi! Hi! Hi! my homework! (fwd) new CD New here New man on the list. (2 msgs) New member (that's me) New Member/request New Sandra stuff on the radio! New thread New User: Kevin Bento online music stores Power & Glory (3 msgs) QUOTE ON THE ENIGMA2 COVE (2 msgs) Quote on the Enigma2 cover (2 msgs) Re(2): Enigma Digest V1 #212 Return To Innocence samples Rivers of belief/principles Sandra and Cretu releases in the U.S. Sandra Disc - Singles Sandra in the U.S. Sandra Videos (6 msgs) Sandra Videos, Q: availability. (2 msgs) Sheet music. Store request sweats & tees Thanks & subscription information (fwd) Thanks/The dream of the Dolphin (5 msgs) The first Sandra single is out! This is me! Unsubscribe procedure ??? (3 msgs) What's up with RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi ! (5 msgs) Will? What's that? (5 msgs) Worthwhile editions Worthwhile editions... (3 msgs) YANM YAY!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 09:17:14 -0800 From: creagan@foxmail.gfc.edu (Christina Reagan) Subject: 'alo. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au well, i figured it was time to introduce myself. my name is christina reagan, and i'm now attending george fox college in newberg, OR. originally from seattle, WA. i'm a sophomore, 19, and studying to be a computers science major (NO! i DON"T want to be a programmer. i would probably kill myslef first). i learned of he enigma list when a fellow comp sci major posted a FAQ about it. i wolfed it down as fast as i could, and am excited to learn more about them. last year sometime, a friend recorded a tape for me of his favorite songs, and the first one on the second side was the radio version of Principles of Lust: Sadeness. liking it so much, i went out and bought the whole album. sometime later that year, i bought the CROSS of changes the first time i saw it. i have deffinately gotten my money's worth out of both of them. other music i enjoy varies. i really enjoy U2, Enya, B-tribe, Cranberries, Spin Docotrs, Tears for Fears, Cracker... i could go on for ages. you could call music my vice. it seems to hit me right at my core and pull at my emotions. it fills me (howerver temporary). you could say i'm addicted. for those who are from the area, the radio stations i enjoy are 970 The beat here in oregon, and 107.7, THE END and KNHC (or C89) in seattle. i'm partial to Macintosh computers (probably because i know them the best). well. i guess that's it. that's me. -c -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:51:42 -0600 (CST) From: Tim Somers Subject: To: FUCHS MICHAEL JAMES Just a quick question for somone just joining the list.... *ducks as newbie slams go flying by* *grins* Anyway, what is the URL for the Enigma web page? I've seen it mentioned a couple of times, but I'v yet to find the address...Thanks a bunch in advance... Tim Somers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 12:33:13 -0600 From: "John H. Ruszkowski" Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here it is http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html John -- Begin original message -- > From: Tim Somers > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 11:51:42 -0600 (CST) > Subject: Re: > To: FUCHS MICHAEL JAMES > Cc: ENIGMA Distribution List > Reply-To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > Just a quick question for somone just joining the list.... > > *ducks as newbie slams go flying by* *grins* > > Anyway, what is the URL for the Enigma web page? I've seen it mentioned > a couple of times, but I'v yet to find the address...Thanks a bunch in > advance... > > Tim Somers > > -- End original message -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:24:39 -0400 From: daniel@mrree.gub.uy Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I subscribed today early morning and less than an hour I had received your confirmation. About homework I tell you: My name is Daniel Olivera, I'm from Uruguay (South America) and my mother tongue is spanish. I'm 32 years old and I work as a computer consultant in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs where I'm in charge of the main computer dealing with communications with all our embassies and Internet services. I'm an Enigma since the first CD and I have apart from the two CDs one CD from Europe with four versions of The Eyes of Truth. In my country is somewhat difficult to get material of Enigma because you can only get the usual CDs, unless you ask some CD stores to get them from USA or Europe, and is not so easy. Other artists I like: I love Enya. I also enjoy Loreena McKennitt, Deep Forest, Jean Michel Jarre, and other kinds of music not specifically new age. To be the first message I think it's enough for today !! Looking forward to hearing from you. Bye. Daniel. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:09:27 +0100 From: pgloor@di.epfl.ch (Pascal Gloor) Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Enigma fans! Here's my homework for the mailing-list :) My name is Pascal "Logixs" Gloor, I'm 22 and I live near Lausanne, in Switzerland. I'm a Computer Science student in the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology. My hobbies are programing (AMIGA RULEZ :)), music and sport. My Enigma collection consists of: - MCMXC - MCMXC - Limited Edition - Cross of Changes - Sadeness - Maxi CD - Mea Culpa - Maxi CD - Principles of Lust - Maxi CD I have all Sandra's albums, and Cretu's "The Invisible Man", too. The first time I heard of Enigma was in December 1990 on the radio. At that time I didn't know that was Cretu's work, but that sounded familiar to me. When I learnt it was him, I was really not surprised! I've always been a fan of Sandra. Other artists I like include: Pet Shop Boys, Alphaville, Mariah Carey, Phil Collins, Kim Wilde, Roxette, old Stock Aitken Waterman's stuff (Kylie Monigue, Bananarama,...), and dance stuff like IceMC, Haddaway, Jam&Spoon, Fun Factory, and many other... I'm looking forward to hearing from you d00ds! CU! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 00:10:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Aleks Wukovich Subject: About me To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yo! OK my name`s Aleks Wukovich and I`m 16. I`m a student (still with parents, or rather just me mum oh and me little brother) and I`m an Amiga, comms, enjoying myself, Enigma and Ferrari kinda guy. I first heard about Enigma when Sadeness came out in 1990 and me mum wanted to buy just the single but ended up buying MCMXC a.d instead :-) I also like other ambient artists, rock and `barndance techno` (stuff like Rednex, Bravado, The Grid etc.) but in my opinion none of these can touch Enigma :-) In my Enigma collection I`ve got: MCMXC a.d (limited edition). Cross of Changes (limited edition gold disc). Return to Innocence (the single). Mea Culpa Part II (the single and the best Enigma song ever IMO (part 1 that is)). Eyes of Truth (the single and limited edition single). Out from the Deep (the single). Age of Loneliness (the single and limited edition single). Sadeness (the single). I`m also hoping to set up a BBS and make that BBS the Official Enigma Support BBS. B t i 2:440/20.44 e h c y e e aleks_wukovich@junct9.demon.co.uk o n d -- Via DLG Pro v1.0 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:57:33 GMT From: Neil Perry Media Tech Subject: About RCPT Hi! Hi! Hi! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au i dont know whats wrong with the system but i can asure everybody that i am not replied to any messages up until now?. Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 23:01:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: A LITTLE HELP FOR MY FRIE To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Andrew said - WA> I need your help to get some revenge! ]:->. all you want WA> said I had discovered the Enigma mailing list. I don't know why as I kn WA> likes them too! In passing he made the comment "Do you think Kylie Myno WA> has a home page?". yes.. WA> To get even with him I'd love to sign him up for it if it exists! so would I. He can access it with his Apple MAC. WA> Anybody got any leads? '-) NOT IN AUSTRALIA - in England!!! Don * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 18:29:00 +0100 From: "Williams, Andrew" Subject: A little help for my friend To: "'Enigma Mailing list'" Hi Guys, I need your help to get some revenge! ]:->. A great friend of mine (still!!) made a couple of snide/jokey remarks when I said I had discovered the Enigma mailing list. I don't know why as I know he likes them too! In passing he made the comment "Do you think Kylie Mynogue has a home page?". To get even with him I'd love to sign him up for it if it exists! Anybody got any leads? '-) Andy Williams (and "Yes", I can sing 'Moon River'. And "NO" I am NOT 'the friend'!) <> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:33:33 GMT From: Neil Perry Media Tech Subject: AT last my homework. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au HI all, well iv`e been on this list about a 3 weeks now and oh! (*slap wrists*) i havn`t done my homework yet. Well here goes. My name is Neil perry im a Media Technology student at teeside uni in cleveland UK. I like manly ambient dance/trance music but i also i adore Tori Amos, listern to some U2 and a bit of Bijork, other to that anything that i like the sound of. What Enigma CD`s do i own?, well the first i bought was MCMXC a.d in 1990 obviously!, soon after i managed to get a copy of the limited adition, just before if was released. I then took me a few weeks to be able to find a origional copy which to some amasement was the same price as the origional?. anyway i then bought Cross of changes last year and yep soon after that the 24Carat gold limited adition version. I have Principles of lust Limited adition single and copies of eyes of truth LA singe & Return to inocence LA & normal single. Right next, oh i also bought Deleriums Semantic spaces. yer i now not an enigma album but dam fine never the less. Where did i first hear Enigma? well on Top of the pops , the exclucive showing of Sadness part 1.Ive been hooked ever since!! well thats me just about done i hope i havn`t forgoten anything? proberbly. well thanks for reading!! Neil stem9432@ayton.tees.ac.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Turn of the light, take a deep breath and RELAX. ( ENIGMA MCMXC a.d.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:37:12 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Ausgewahlte Goldstucke To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here is a review of an early Michael Cretu record. It is written by Hogne Boe Pettersen (Elf) (Hogne.B.Pettersen@hiMolde.no). (Does Ausgewahlte Goldstucke mean Selected Masterpiece?) Joar ********** Michael Cretu - Ausgewahlte Goldstucke ====================================== This is a record I found in a record shop in Germany. It is a realease in a series called Ausgewahlte Goldstucke, and it contains music Cretu recorded in 1979. (At least the copyright of the songs are from 79.) My guess is that the real title of this album is "Moonlight Flower." I will rewiev the album track by track. 1. '57 (The Year I Was Born) 4:29 The track starts with a real cool sounding synth sound wich builds up a rythm. Then a very Kitaro like synth sound fills the right speaker and a bass rythm and drums come in. (The bass and drums are noth synth.) A typical 70-sounding synth starts playing the theme of the chorous, and then Cretu starts singing. At first I didn't think it was him, because his voice is very high-pitched (like Thiers) and his english accent is outrages. The chorus in the song is very catchy and you will be humming the song long after the album is finished. Hear and there Cretu throws in sound effects, but they sound more like the ones Kitaro used in the 80's than the ones he uses in Enigma. In the second verse a synth piano also is added to the song. In the chorus you can hear a back up voice singing "lalala" and almost sounding like a saxophone. After the second chorus a drum break comes in and "disco sound effects" are in the back ground. Tabla drums are added and then a synth solo sounding very much like Jon & Vangelis comes in. The chorus then starts again, and the song fades. It is a very cathcy pop tune this, and held good promises for the years to come from the then 22 year old Cretu. 2. Fire And Rain 4:15 This song starts with a beautifull synth sound and once again it sounds like the beginning of a Jon & Vangelis song. Cretu then starts singing backed up with warm synth sounds. Drums are added with more synths and the song is now starting to sound like a cheap dance band tune. The chorus saves the song, and if some electric guitars had been added here it could have been the chorus of a hard rock ballad. A new verse and then the chorus is repeated. Then the intro is repeated, but this time with drums and bass in the back ground. A bridge is added to the song and more sound effects comes in the back ground. A bit pompous intro for the chorus comes in and it's repeated until the song fades. 3. Wild River 4:35 The sound of a birds and waves introduces this song togehter with a piano. Cretu starts to sing upon top of this. Then drums come in and he starts to sing the chorus. A classical guitar is added together with a female chorus on the second verse. After the second chorus the drums are removed and the song slows down a bit. You can only hear the piano on top of the waves and birds, and a flute sounding synth solo comes in. Then the chorus comes back, but this time with a trumpet phanphare in the left speaker. The song ends a bit dramatic, almost like a sypmhony orchestra finishing a performance. A very good song and it features emotional elements that Cretu would resurface on tracks like "Invisible Man" and "Waterfall." 4. Shadows Over My Head 3:54 The song is introduced with a typical disco sounding bass line. But the drums wich are added puts a very powerfull drive in to this song. Wind is heard in the bakcground, and Jarre sounding effects are in the also added. A trumpet sounding synth is heard, and then a synth plays a short introduction theme for the chorus wich is repeated twice. Cretus voice has a very cool echo effect in the chorus. The intro theme is heard and then Cretu sings the songs only verse. It almost like an interlude because the bass and drums are replaced with synths and other percussion sounds. The trumpet sound is heard, and then the intro and the chorus comes back. Then the back ground sounds and instruments from the verse comes in and a synth solo is played. The chorus comes back but this time at a higher pitch. It repeats and fades. This song is the best track of the album and it is later re-recorded for Sandras "Close to Seven" album. But it was then called just "Shadows" and the lyrics were very changed a lot. But this version is much better. 5. Love Me 2:59 This song is pure crap. It has synth sounds in it that makes it sound like a cheap dance band tune. And the lyrics are incredibly bad. They almost make you puke. The drums and synths could have been programmed with two synths, and a 12 year old love sick girl could have written the lyrics. If this song had been performed by Julio Iglesias I wouldn't have excpected better but with Cretu I do. It wouldn't even have won the Eurovision Song Contest. 6. Moonlight Flower 3:41 The song is introduced with a flute sounding synth wich goes in a loop. Warm synths are added in the background and then a mellotrone comes on top of this. All sounds are removed and replaced with a piano. Then Cretu starts singing. The piano is played in a very classical way. A bass comes in and when the chorus comes in a harpsicord is added. In the second verse very gentle drums builds up a rythm together with the bass. After the second chorus the intro of the song comes in and the chorus returns after that. The piano and harpsicords finishes the song. The whole track has a folk music feel to it and it sends chills down my spine. 7. Sparks of Imagnination 5:05 The track starts wind wind and the flute sounding synth comes back in a another loop form together with other sound effects. A Wakeman like synth starts the song together with drums and bass. All instruments are then removed excpet for a synth wich are played under Cretus singing. A guitar comes in with a bass also and then strings are added. The chorus sounds a bit like "Wild River", and it is sung with drums and bass. A synth interlude comes in and then the second verse is sung, but this time with drums and bass. The chorus is repeated until the song fades. This song shows that Cretu must have been very heavily inspired by typicall european ballads wich there were too many of during the 70's. At times the song once again brings back thoughts of Julio Iglesias, but it is much better than "Love Me". 8. Streets of Time 3:56 This song is very ABBA like. The song is introduced very orchestral like with drums, synths and sound effects. The slow beat rythm under the singing makes it clear that with female vocals this could have been an ABBA song. In the bakcground of the rythm a cello like synth is played, and it adds a harder groove over the song. When the chorus is introduced, the rythm speeds up and a trumpet sounding synth is added. The intro of the song is repeated, and then the second verse comes in. Afther the second chorus the intro of the song is repeated before the chorus comes back. The song is ok, but a bit obvius. The intro of the song ends it and a synth sound jumps from the left to the right speaker while fading. The sound of rain and thunder is heard and we are in the next track. 9. Song for Unknown Heroes 6:30 A warm synth sound is slowly rising. A bell is heard and then a synth-loop comes in. A Vangelis sounding synth is played and then drums end the intro. Only a piano is left and Cretu starts singing. More synths are heard and when the chorus comes in, strings are added. Halfway in to the second verse, drums are added and an Abba like piano can be heard. After the second chorus, the drums fade and the synth loop comes back. Vocals singing "aaahhhh hahahaaaahhhh" is heard. The bell strikes and drums and piano comes in. This goes on for a while and then a hard rock guitar is added with drums and strings. The trumpet synth is also heard and then the chorus comes back. More and more instruments are added and it alls ends in an orchestral finale. The rain and the bell ends the song. A really beautifull piece wich really shows the Cretu that was to come. ================================= All in all this is an ok album. Considering the fact that Cretu was 22 years old when these songs were written, makes you realise that some of these songs are quite an achievement. One of the things I find a bit charming with this album is the sound of the old anlouge synths from the seventies. Cretu is a very good keyboard player and he is true to the musicians he takes inspiration from. All songs except "Shadows over my head" are co-written by a guy called D.Cross. The album is produced by Michael T. Omilian and Cretu and all arrangements are by Cretu. Rating: 4 out of 6. -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:35:17 -0600 (CST) From: Valeng Cha Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma ListServ) I was wondering if there are any GREGORIAN fans out there? I am NUTS about "So Sad" and "Once in a Lifetime". I'm almost sure they released a "Best of" CD which has these two songs, but unsure. If anyone knows of its existance, let me know. These groups are sure hard to find in the U.S. There was also another version of "Once in a Lifetime" by Sara Brightman (in her DIVE CD), produced by F. Peterson. I'm confused as the relationships between F. Peterson, Enigma (Cretu), and the Gregorians. This F. Peterson guy is connected to so many groups. If anyone can shed some light on this, please do so. Valeng Cha cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 21:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Valeng Cha wrote: > I was wondering if there are any GREGORIAN fans out there? I am NUTS > about "So Sad" and "Once in a Lifetime". I'm almost sure they > released a "Best of" CD which has these two songs, but unsure. If > anyone knows of its existance, let me know. These groups are sure > hard to find in the U.S. I don't know of it's existence. All I know is that So Sad and Once in a Lifetime are both on the Sadisfaction album. Besides loving those two, I also like Reflect a lot. Those are my three favs on that album. Did Gregorian come out with any other albums? I would really like to get them if they did come out with a different one. > There was also another version of "Once in a Lifetime" by Sara > Brightman (in her DIVE CD), produced by F. Peterson. I'm confused as > the relationships between F. Peterson, Enigma (Cretu), and the > Gregorians. This F. Peterson guy is connected to so many groups. If > anyone can shed some light on this, please do so. >From what I read from the FAQ and other sources, F. Peterson was F. Gregorian on the first Enigma album (MCMX..). I know he also produced some of the songs on Sarah Brightman's Dive album. Quick question, how did you find out about the band Gregorian? > Valeng Cha > cha@stolaf.edu -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:15:53 -0600 (CST) From: Valeng Cha Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au [So that we don't produce too much junk mail, this message is directly email to you (as oppose to routing it thru the listserv).] > Quick question, how did you find out about the band Gregorian? How did I found out about them, how did YOU find out about them!!??? I buy a lot of "European-Dance" tapes and CDs at an Asian music store here in the Twin Cities. The Gregorians has a few hits in these Euro-collections, including "So Sad" and "Once in a Lifetime." > I don't know of it's existence. All I know is that So Sad and Once in a > Lifetime are both on the Sadisfaction album. Besides loving those two, I > also like Reflect a lot. Those are my three favs on that album. Did > Gregorian come out with any other albums? I would really like to get them > if they did come out with a different one. Do you know where I can get that "Sadisfaction" album you're talking about? Damn, I'd like to get a hold of it...BADLY. I can't seem to find the Gregorians anywhere in the States. You're from Harvard, are you not? Then where can I find the Gregorians here in the good USofA? As far as you know, how many CDs do they have so far? Who are the band members? Who's the lead? What's her name? Are they a German group? How do you know so much about this band? As you can tell, I'm a bit excited over this. Brief me, I want to get into it. > >From what I read from the FAQ and other sources, F. Peterson was F. > Gregorian on the first Enigma album (MCMX..). I know he also produced > some of the songs on Sarah Brightman's Dive album. Valeng Cha cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 12:27:25 -0400 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 29 Mar 1995, Valeng Cha wrote: > I was wondering if there are any GREGORIAN fans out there? I am NUTS > about "So Sad" and "Once in a Lifetime". I'm almost sure they > released a "Best of" CD which has these two songs, but unsure. If > anyone knows of its existance, let me know. These groups are sure > hard to find in the U.S. > > There was also another version of "Once in a Lifetime" by Sara > Brightman (in her DIVE CD), produced by F. Peterson. I'm confused as > the relationships between F. Peterson, Enigma (Cretu), and the > Gregorians. This F. Peterson guy is connected to so many groups. If > anyone can shed some light on this, please do so. > A little while ago, someone suggested that gregorian Sadisfaction was released before Enigma first popped up. This, I'm afraid can't be that case, if, as someone posted a while ago, Cretu, Sandra, etc. are mentioned in the liner notes. Enigma was a secret at first,remember? _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@cfn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 11:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > I was wondering if there are any GREGORIAN fans out there? I am NUTS > > about "So Sad" and "Once in a Lifetime". I'm almost sure they > > released a "Best of" CD which has these two songs, but unsure. If > > anyone knows of its existance, let me know. These groups are sure > > hard to find in the U.S. There is no "Best of" CD to my knowledge but there is an album called Sadisfaction and there are no US releases. They are an older group. > > There was also another version of "Once in a Lifetime" by Sara > > Brightman (in her DIVE CD), produced by F. Peterson. I'm confused as > > the relationships between F. Peterson, Enigma (Cretu), and the > > Gregorians. This F. Peterson guy is connected to so many groups. If > > anyone can shed some light on this, please do so. Frank Peterson is F. Gregorian. He went by F. Gregorian on the first Enigma Album. He worked with Cretu (Curly M.C.) on the first Enigma project. From the credits on the Sadisfaction album, it appears that Cretu had no part in it's production. > A little while ago, someone suggested that gregorian > Sadisfaction was released before Enigma first popped up. That was me! ;) > This, I'm afraid can't be > that case, if, as someone posted a while ago, Cretu, Sandra, etc. are > mentioned in the liner notes. Enigma was a secret at first,remember? I agree that Enigma was a secret, but what I don't know is when Enigma was actually created and released on the airwaves and clubs. From my knowledge, Gregorian came out in the late eighties (87-88?). Wasn't Enigma officially out in 1990? It would mean that Enigma would have been a secret for at least 2 years if it came out before Sadisfaction. That was my reasoning for stating that Gregorian came out before Enigma. One other thing could be that Gregorian could be an outright copy of the Enigma style if they came out at the same time. I wonder who came out with the "let's mix chant and bass" theory first, F. Peterson or Cretu.? I think the liner notes had Curly M.C. and F. Peterson as co-writers/producers for Sadeness and some of the others in the album. One thing I noticed was the "So Sad" and "Sadeness" connection. Someone can easily say, "Hey this sounds just like Enigma" or vice versa. Can anyone else add to this little mystery? :) -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:27:22 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Alex. > Frank Peterson is F. Gregorian. He went by F. Gregorian on the > first Enigma Album. He worked with Cretu (Curly M.C.) on the > first Enigma project. From the credits on the Sadisfaction album, > it appears that Cretu had no part in it's production. You are right in saying that F. Gregorian is an alias for Frank Peterson, and my knowledge also leads me to believe Cretu had no (direct) credit on Gregorian. > I agree that Enigma was a secret, but what I don't know is when > Enigma was actually created and released on the airwaves and > clubs. From my knowledge, Gregorian came out in the late eighties > (87-88?). Wasn't Enigma officially out in 1990? It would mean It was released in 1990, but it has never been stated how long it was in the making. Based on CROSS taking 3 years, I would say (and this is an educated guess) that it took around 2 unless he just dabbled with it on the side. > that Enigma would have been a secret for at least 2 years if it > came out before Sadisfaction. That was my reasoning for stating > that Gregorian came out before Enigma. Valid argument.... Having not heard it, I guess the question is just how identical they are. Is the panflute there? Is the seductive breathing there? Are there French lyrics? If it's something as simple as Gregorian chants and normal electronics then it can be argued that Cretu may very well have simply 'copied' the idea but expanded it further, thus not rendering it plagiarism. > One other thing could be that Gregorian could be an outright copy > of the Enigma style if they came out at the same time. I wonder > who came out with the "let's mix chant and bass" theory first, F. > Peterson or Cretu.? I think the liner notes had Curly M.C. and F. A damn good question, especially since Cretu worked with Peterson for a long time and was good friends with him I believe. It could be that Fairstein was casually speaking to Cretu one day in 1988 or 1989 and said "check out this new idea" or "check out this new sound" which compelled Cretu to take it further. Since Peterson also worked on Enigma, it could easily be seen as a form of continuation or cross-over. > Peterson as co-writers/producers for Sadeness and some of the > others in the album. One thing I noticed was the "So Sad" > and "Sadeness" connection. Someone can easily say, "Hey this > sounds just like Enigma" or vice versa. Just as you can now link a Fading Shades Mix to the title of Sandra's new album! :) > Can anyone else add to this little mystery? :) You had some damn good theories and questions.... We may one day find out the answers. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:34:53 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > (87-88?). Wasn't Enigma officially out in 1990? It would mean > > that Enigma would have been a secret for at least 2 years if it > > came out before Sadisfaction. That was my reasoning for stating > > that Gregorian came out before Enigma. > > One other thing could be that Gregorian could be an outright copy > > of the Enigma style if they came out at the same time. I wonder > > who came out with the "let's mix chant and bass" theory first, F. > > Peterson or Cretu.? I think the liner notes had Curly M.C. and F. > > Peterson as co-writers/producers for Sadeness and some of the Looking at my Sadisfaction CD, it was copyrighted in 1991, not in the late '80s, so that would mean it came out one year after Enigma's CD. Also, in the part where Gregorian thanks everyone, they have at the end "and especially Sandra and Michael". a question: why do the names F. Gregorion and Peterson appear twice in the credits for some of the Sadisfaction songs? This was confusing since they are both the same person. > > others in the album. One thing I noticed was the "So Sad" > > and "Sadeness" connection. Someone can easily say, "Hey this > > sounds just like Enigma" or vice versa. Maybe Peterson got pissed at Cretu after they broke up and decided to make a gregorian style cd. Just a suggestion :) > Just as you can now link a Fading Shades Mix to the title of Sandra's new > album! :) can someone tell me more about the correlation please? Well, i hope i shedded some light on the topic!! -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 19:30:22 CST From: Jim English Subject: cdeurope? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) hey all, I was browsing cdeurope and noticed that they had an entry for the Mea Culpa limited edtion box (the 4cd thingee holder) single for sale. I pretty much doubt their ability to get this item. Does anyone else out there have any opinions? -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "I don't care if it rains or freezes/As long as I've got my plastic jesus/ Sitting on the dashboard of my car." ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:53:53 GMT From: Neil Perry Media Tech Subject: cd now http:// To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au hi, the http:// for CDnow is:- Http://CDnow.com easy yer? oh if you find the http: for cdeurope then please let me know, Thanks Neil . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 12:41:21 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Cretu/Moto Special To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > With Tissy Thiers and Curt Cress he worked on Moti-Special, quite nice too. Is there any Moti Special out on CD? I've heard a couple of tracks and really liked them. -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 07:36:36 -0500 From: jolt@tiac.net (Holt Lipman) Subject: Deep Forest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I just wated to say thank you for all the reviews for Deep Forest. I decided to purchase the CD, and have enjoyed it very much. I would be interested in more music of this style, I have both Enigma CD's, and enjoy them as well. Again, thanks for the suggestions, especially Joarg, I read the reviews on the web site. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holt A. Lipman Jolt@SmartRoute.Com Jolt@Tiac.Net "For Millions of years, Mankind lived just like the animals. Then something happened that changed our imagination... We learned to talk..." -Pink Floyd ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:53:45 EST From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: Deep Forest/Dao Dezi To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) For fans of Deep Forest: One of the guys from Deep Forest, Eric Mouquet, and Guilain Joncheray have released an album under the name Dao Dezi, called "The World Mix Album". The other member of Deep Forest, Michel Sanchez, makes an occasional appearance. Besides synths and drum machines, some of the other instruments are: Uileann pipe, bagpipes, bombarde, violon (sic), hautbois, harpe, Biniou Koz, and tin whistle. The songs are mostly traditional with some originals. The sound ranges from ambient/atmospheric to energetic electronic and techno. I am reminded of Peter Gabriel and T. Dream in one spot and modern dance in others. Don't expect Deep Forest or anything Enigma-like but still good. -- Mathias iconoclast@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:43:50 -0500 (EST) From: Shan-e-Ali Haider Subject: donerb@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > In the US and Australia, it is unlikely you will find Sandra or Michael Cretu > >on the shelves, whether it be new or in a second hand store. > > Au contrair, mon freir (or whatever :) )! Many of the large chains, such as "On the contrary my friend"? He He.. I love that phrase. Excuse my ignorance but is that French or German? I believe it's one of that two. Thanks Shan. > Tower Records, Blockbuster Music, Specs Music & Video, et al carry Import > sections where one can find some Cretu and Sandra titles, especially mid 80s > and most recent releases. > > > > -- **********************************************************************|PET | Won't You Teach Me How To Love And Learn? There'll Be Nothing Left For|SHOP| Me To Yearn:C()R()N/\ Je Veux Aller Au Bout De Mes Fantasmes:Mea Culpa|BOYS| **********************************************************************|RULE| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 95 09:53:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: ENIGMA DIGEST V1 #19ÿÿÿÿÿ To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au SD> WANTED: Singles import (to US) and Us Singles to the First cd of enigma SD> i have the US sadness I, want the others. I have a spare new 'Mea Culpa pt. II' DINSD 104 Don * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:50:37 -0500 (EST) From: kamakiz@infi.net (Scot Dickinson) Subject: Enigma Digest V1 #194 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au WANTED: Singles import (to US) and Us Singles to the First cd of enigma i have the US sadness I, want the others. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 07:12:53 -0600 From: "John H. Ruszkowski" Subject: Enigma Digest V1 #194 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Good luck in getting them. If you see them, pick up few copies. They are in demand. John -- Begin original message -- > From: kamakiz@infi.net (Scot Dickinson) > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 00:50:37 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: Enigma Digest V1 #194 > To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Reply-To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > WANTED: Singles import (to US) and Us Singles to the First cd of enigma > i have the US sadness I, want the others. > > thanks > > > -- End original message -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 21:11:10 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Compton Subject: Enigma Digest V1 #212 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Subject: Power & Glory > To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > On Mon, 20 Mar 1995 joarg@hsr.no wrote: > > > in. There are some Vangelis tracks ('Conquest Of Paradise' naturally, > > 'Chariots Of Fire - Titles' and 'Rachel's Song'), tracks by Enya, > > Anyone know what the bckground is on that Vangelis tune call "Rachel's > Song"? I know this is rather unrelated, but a supposedly ficticious piece > call just that plays an important role in Guy Gavriel Kay's novel "the > Summer Tree". Any possible help on this would be much appreciated. > "Rachel's Song is from the BLADERUNNER soundtrack, so it would probably be safe to assume that it was written for the movie, particullarly for the character named, Rachel, (the replicant love interest of Harrison Ford played by Sean Young). -Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 19:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Compton Subject: Enigma Digest V1 #218 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Greetings! I've only been on for a short time, but I constantly see metion of the solo work of Sandra and Cretu; are these works one can find in your every day record store? We all read the review of Cretu's first album by the page editor, but can anyone offer an objective criteria on Sandra's previous efforts? Glenn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:47:01 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Enigma Digest V1 #218 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Glenn. > I've only been on for a short time, but I constantly see metion of the > solo work of Sandra and Cretu; are these works one can find in your every > day record store? We all read the review of Cretu's first album by the In the US and Australia, it is unlikely you will find Sandra or Michael Cretu on the shelves, whether it be new or in a second hand store. In Europe and the UK, however, there is a good chance that you will at least find a greatest hits compilation. In Europe, you will also most likely soon see Sandra's latest album. > page editor, but can anyone offer an objective criteria on Sandra's > previous efforts? Joar owns all Sandra's album...... Are you up to the challenge Joar???? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 11:33:13 +1100 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Enigma findings! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. Last weekend I had the pleasure of visiting Sydney (Australia) where I got to meet Don Weir from this list amongst other things. But while in Sydney I came across 3 Enigma offerings which I share with you now: 1. A copy of MCMXC a.D. - The Complete Video Album A very nice video indeed, I found that it was professionally done and had quite a global feel to it in terms of its scenery. In comparison to the single, individual music videos it was different with the exception of Sadness. Principles of Lust, Mea Culpa, and Rivers of Belief on the complete video had elements of the individual music videos, but was not identical in any way. Overall, the video is worth getting if you can find it since it adds to the effect of the music. 2. Promo copy of Return to Innocence A one-track promo in Digipak format, the cover is black with the text: ENIGMA <-- big writing return to innocence 4:03 for promo use only taken from the forthcoming album ENIGMA 2 the CROSS of changes 2 <-- big writing, orange colour Inside the cover was some more interesting text: good evening this is the voice of enigma in the next hour we will take you with us into another world into the world of music, spirit and meditation! turn off the light, take a deep breath and relax start to move slowly, very slowly let the rhythm be your guiding light ... those were the introductory words on enigma's 1990 debut album "MCMXC a.D." - to date this album has sold in excess of 7 million copies world-wide and has now been in the billboard charts for almost 150 consecutive weeks, peaking at no. 6 in spring 1991. "MCMXC a.D." was released in 39 countries including the people's republic of china - it was a number 1 album in 24 countries and was awarded with 46 gold and 18 platinum discs. The CD itself has some weird form of design on it which doesn't seemed linked to Enigma at all, and the back cover has the following text: 7243 8 92206 2 9 lc 3098 produced & engineered by "Curly" Michael Cretu ^---- the "Curly" and "M" and "C" of his name in orange colour published by enigma songs/mambo music. (c) 1993 virgin.... All in all, quite a find! 3. Saw most of the music video to "Out from the Deep" Flying home from Sydney I looked up at the televisions and saw Enigma on the screen! I had no sound (didn't have a headset) but saw the clip from the start to around 2/3s of the way in I'd say..... The whole setting of the music video is underwater where this guy/monk (carrying the familiar lantern from the cover) is wandering around underwater. He comes across some cathederal where he sees all these people/paintings on the walls. They all come to life. I found the music video to be very much related to the one for Sadness, just set under water! Particular attention was paid to the lantern at one stage too! Perhaps someone from Europe can give us a full rundown of this music video?! So there you go - no matter where I travel to, I can't avoid Enigma!!!! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:28:10 EST5 From: "Alberto Pedroso" Subject: Enigma vs. Dead can Dance To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey there, I remember having read in the Enigma FAQ that their music was similar in style to that of Dead can Dance. I haven't heard much about them, so I would like to know more about that band, and how their music compares to Enigma's. Thanks, Alberto. -- _________________________________________________________________ | Alberto Pedroso Garcia | Fave artists: | |------------------------| Enya, Toad the Wet Sprocket, REM, | | System Analyst | Gin Blossoms, Enigma, The Breeders, | | alberto@infomed.sld.cu | Loreena McKennitt, Counting Crows | ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:59:00 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Everlasting love... To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi, I know this is off the Enigma path but I keep hearing this song called Everlasting Love over the radio here in the US. I was wondering whether or not Sandra also sang this song. Thanks. -Alex PS. I'm still thinking of something to trade Jamie :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 11:12:13 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Everlasting love... To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi Alex, > I know this is off the Enigma path but I keep hearing this song called > Everlasting Love over the radio here in the US. I was wondering whether > or not Sandra also sang this song. You probably hear the Gloria Estefan version. Sandra had a hit with this song in 1987, and countless other artists have covered it, including U2. And it's not really off the Enigma path. :) Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 08:27:58 -0500 (EST) From: Shan-e-Ali Haider Subject: Everlasting love... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hi, > > I know this is off the Enigma path but I keep hearing this song called > Everlasting Love over the radio here in the US. I was wondering whether > or not Sandra also sang this song. > YES, she did, and IMO did a damn fine job of it too...MUCh better than Gloria Estefan. Sandra's voice somehow sounds better suited to the vocals. I would reccomend getting Sandra's album (I forget the name), as it has Everlasting Love + another excellent song called Maria Magdalena. Shan > Thanks. > > -Alex > > PS. I'm still thinking of something to trade Jamie :) > > > -- **********************************************************************|PET | Won't You Teach Me How To Love And Learn? There'll Be Nothing Left For|SHOP| Me To Yearn:C()R()N/\ Je Veux Aller Au Bout De Mes Fantasmes:Mea Culpa|BOYS| **********************************************************************|RULE| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:37:36 -0600 (CST) From: deicide@rci.ripco.com (Deicide) Subject: Everlasting love... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hi, > > I know this is off the Enigma path but I keep hearing this song called > Everlasting Love over the radio here in the US. I was wondering whether > or not Sandra also sang this song. > > Thanks. > > -Alex > Yup, in the US it was released on Everalsting Love, and germany on 'The Singles - 10 in 1' or something like that... it's not her song though, and i have no idea who's doing the new version, but I'm sure it sucks compared to Sandra's version. -- ...TheEndComplete... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 19:24:26 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Summers Subject: Everlasting love... To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 9 Mar 1995, Shan-e-Ali Haider wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I know this is off the Enigma path but I keep hearing this song called > > Everlasting Love over the radio here in the US. I was wondering whether > > or not Sandra also sang this song. > > > YES, she did, and IMO did a damn fine job of it too...MUCh better than > Gloria Estefan. Sandra's voice somehow sounds better suited to the vocals. First off...what format radio in the US is playing this song, that way I'll know where to listen for it. Secondly, whose song is it originally? And if Sandra sings it, what album is it on, so I may go check it out at Blockbuster? Thanks l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 20:33:59 CST From: Jim English Subject: found: principles of lust (finally) cheer! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) hey all, I thought I would share my happy discovery of the Principles of Lust cd single. I managed to snag the Japanese version while in San Francisco this past week. Too bad it doesn't have the jazz mix. I guess I will still have to search for another version to get that mix. And am still searching for the Rivers of Belief cd single and the Mea Culpa special box cd single. I got my Japanese Principles of Lust for like $20. Maybe a bit high, but seeing as how I'd never been able to find it as of then and I was on vacation, I indulged myself. If anyone is able to get me a Principles of lust cd single with the jazz mix (euro and uk I think), and/or a Rivers of Belief cd single, and/or the Mea Culpa ltd. edition box cd single _please_ let me know and maybe we can work something out. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "I don't care if it rains or freezes/As long as I've got my plastic jesus/ Sitting on the dashboard of my car." ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 01:25:33 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: gregorian To: enigma I have the Real Sadness CD, and it's pretty good, especially Ave Maria. I was wondering if anyone has heard of or listened to the group Gregorian, which i also have, and where i can get more info (FAQS) on them. Thanks, -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 95 21:16:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: GREGORIAN 'SADISFACTION' To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I've obtained Gregorian 'Sadisfaction' from a fellow in Finland. This recording was claimed to be a "dancey" version of MCMXaD in some posting I read about mid last year. Yep, true. Lighter too and shallow lyrics. Not entirely a copy though, as B-Tribe and Delerium's 'Semantic Spaces' are. You can hear the early Enigma sound from F. Gregorian who is on this CD with the Sisters Of Oz. Some really good tracks that I would say are comparable to a 'mix' of Cretu's and Sandra's best solo works and 'MCMXaD'. These two get a mention in the liner notes. monks singing - flutes - synths - beats - breathing (yeh, this bit is a dead set copy....but then Donna Summer always done that best) Don Sufi code word: Metronome 849 378-2 (1991) * RM 1.3 02178 * Bluff it 'til you snuff it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 10:32:34 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: GREGORIAN 'SADISFACTION' To: ENIGMA Distribution List I've got the CD myself. I've actually been looking for this CD for three years. I believe this group came out before the Enigma project. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also, do you know if Gregorian had come out with any other albums? I still love the songs "So Sad" and "Once in a Lifetime". It was through Gregorian's Sadisfaction album that I found out about Enigma. On a side note, if anyone happened to listen to Sara Brightman's CD Dive, it also has "Once in a Lifetime" but with different lyrics (ones pertaining to dolphins I think). Dive also has "Johnny Wanna Live" (sp?), a Sandra remake. -Alex On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, DON WEIR wrote: > > I've obtained Gregorian 'Sadisfaction' from a fellow in Finland. > > This recording was claimed to be a "dancey" version of MCMXaD in some > posting I read about mid last year. > > Yep, true. Lighter too and shallow lyrics. Not entirely a copy though, as > B-Tribe and Delerium's 'Semantic Spaces' are. You can hear the early Enigma > sound from F. Gregorian who is on this CD with the Sisters Of Oz. > > Some really good tracks that I would say are comparable to a 'mix' of > Cretu's and Sandra's best solo works and 'MCMXaD'. These two get a mention > in the liner notes. > > monks singing - flutes - synths - beats - breathing (yeh, this bit is a > dead set copy....but then Donna Summer always done that best) > > Don > > Sufi code word: Metronome 849 378-2 (1991) > > * RM 1.3 02178 * Bluff it 'til you snuff it > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 01:31:59 -0700 (MST) From: FUCHS MICHAEL JAMES Subject: GREGORIAN 'SADISFACTION' To: ENIGMA Distribution List WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 13:23:26 +0200 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: GREGORIAN 'SADISFACTION' To: ENIGMA Distribution List Note that one track of the album starts the same as the club mix of Sandra's 1990 single '(Life may be) a big insanity). (Frank?) Peterson wrote songs for both this album and Sandra's "Paintings in yellow' (1990). On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Alexander Dedios wrote: > I've got the CD myself. I've actually been looking for this CD for three > years. I believe this group came out before the Enigma project. Correct > me if I'm wrong. Also, do you know if Gregorian had come out with any > other albums? I still love the songs "So Sad" and "Once in a Lifetime". > It was through Gregorian's Sadisfaction album that I found out about Enigma. > > On a side note, if anyone happened to listen to Sara Brightman's CD Dive, > it also has "Once in a Lifetime" but with different lyrics (ones > pertaining to dolphins I think). Dive also has "Johnny Wanna Live" (sp?), > a Sandra remake. > > -Alex > > On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, DON WEIR wrote: > > > > > I've obtained Gregorian 'Sadisfaction' from a fellow in Finland. > > > > This recording was claimed to be a "dancey" version of MCMXaD in some > > posting I read about mid last year. > > > > Yep, true. Lighter too and shallow lyrics. Not entirely a copy though, as > > B-Tribe and Delerium's 'Semantic Spaces' are. You can hear the early Enigma > > sound from F. Gregorian who is on this CD with the Sisters Of Oz. > > > > Some really good tracks that I would say are comparable to a 'mix' of > > Cretu's and Sandra's best solo works and 'MCMXaD'. These two get a mention > > in the liner notes. > > > > monks singing - flutes - synths - beats - breathing (yeh, this bit is a > > dead set copy....but then Donna Summer always done that best) > > > > Don > > > > Sufi code word: Metronome 849 378-2 (1991) > > > > * RM 1.3 02178 * Bluff it 'til you snuff it > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 17:55:01 -0600 (CST) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: hello To: enigma Hello. This is my first time subscribing to enigma. My name is Paul Nguyen. I am 20 years old and go to school at the University of Houston. I've been a fan of Sandra since hmm '86 when i first heard In the Heat of the Night. Also, i enjoy Enigma and other music with gregorian chant. I have several questions. 1. Has anybody heard of the other Sadness version? It's exactly like the Enigma version, just another group did it. 2. Also, i know there are many other songs out there with gregorian chant/enigma style music. Can anyone tell me where i can find some? Thanks in advance, Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:12:36 -0800 From: mario@netcom.com (Branden L. Spikes) Subject: hello To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Pail Nguyen wrote: > I have several questions. > 1. Has anybody heard of the other Sadness version? It's exactly like the > Enigma version, just another group did it. Yes. I have the single of Sadeness by the group Cryptogram. They actually do a pretty decent job with it too.. Worth the couple bux. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 01:03:06 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: hello To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 30 Mar 1995, Branden L. Spikes wrote: > Pail Nguyen wrote: > > I have several questions. > > 1. Has anybody heard of the other Sadness version? It's exactly like the > > Enigma version, just another group did it. > > Yes. I have the single of Sadeness by the group Cryptogram. They actually > do a pretty decent job with it too.. Worth the couple bux. > > There's also a version by the group Nostradamus. It's on a CD compilation called "Real Sadnes and Other Gregorian Mysteries." It's actually a decent CD. Nothing to rave about, but a few decent tracks that have an original touch. -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 09:59:49 -0800 From: mario@netcom.com (Branden L. Spikes) Subject: Here's Another New Guy! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Everyone, I've been listening to the discussion here without mentioning my presence, so I feel guilty :) I have been an Enigma fan since MCMXC a.D. in 1990(or early 91). I currently possess the following works: Album: MCMXC a.D. US (picture of Sade on front of CD) Album: MCMXC a.D. UK (black text on silver CD) Single: Sadeness Part I Single: Mea Culpa Single: Rivers of Belief (on casette) Soundtrack: Sliver Album: Enigma 2: The Cross of Changes Single: Return to Innocence Single: Out from the Deep (import from Germany) Single: The Eyes of Truth (import from Holland) Single: Carly's Song (or is is Carly's Lonliness) Video: The Videos Part I Now that that's out of the way, who's this Sandra person? I've read all about hr but never have I heard any of her works. Do they resemble Curly's sound or something? Thanks. Happy to have joined your mail group! Branden L. Spikes San Jose, California Born December 7, 1975. mario@netcom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 22:00:34 +1100 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Info for the Enigma FAQ (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > > Hi there! I recently obtained the Enigma FAQ off of 3w, and after reading it > I found that I may have a piece of information for you. I am quite certain > that the Gregorian chant used in the intro to Mea Culpa is in fact Kyrie XI, > A (Modo I), otherwise known as track 10 on the "Chant" album by the > Benedictine Monks of Santo Domingo de Silos. The title is the only info > available from the album, but you might find it interesting. Of course, > someone else may have already noticed, but just in case, I thought I'd drop > you a line. }-] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 08:45:51 -0500 (EST) From: Thong Huu Le Subject: info needed on GREGORIAN 'SADISFACTION' To: A.Lint@et.tudelft.nl Greetings to all, Can anyone please tell me how I could go about getting a copy of this in the US. I've been hearing you all talk so much about it, it's starting to really peack my interest. If not in the US, can you please tell me how I would order this CD. Thank you very much! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 07:29:45 +1100 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Intro (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded Message: > Name: Matthew S Jeffers > Age: 19 > Enigma Collection: MCMXC a.D. and CROSS of Changes > Where heard of Enigma: When Sadeness was on the radio in Spring 91. I > bought the albums last Spring and adore them. > Other artists I like: INXS, Enya, Roxette, Elton John, Billy Joel, > Marillion, Genesis, A-Ha, Tori Amos, etc. > Course/Job: Student at: Williams College, Williamstown, MA, USA > What I Want: Copies of the limited-edition versions of the two albums I > own. If anyone knows of where I can obtain them without leaving the USA, > please tell me! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:34:10 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Compton Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I feel obligated to do the "Homework" all of us receive when we subscribe to this list, so here goes: My name is Glenn, I'm 27, and I only have the two albums that you're likely to find at the local record store. I was introduced to Enigma by a roomate at UCD, and I've been a daily listener ever since. I've joined the list to find out what I can about what more there may be out there to have, as well as about the band itself. Thanks in advance for any gems you may have to share. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:56:40 -0600 (CST) From: Valeng Cha Subject: intro stuff To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma ListServ) Hello Enigma, Sandra, and such fans... My name is Valeng Cha, age 22, from St. Paul, MN (USA). I'm currently a junior at St. Olaf College finishing my Socio/Anthropology majoy. I browsed thru the Enigma home page (WWW) and found it quite interesting, especially with all those Sassy Sandra jpg's. I haven't listened to Enigma enough to grow on it (convince me otherwise) although I craze for Sadness part 1 and Return to Innocence. But I've always been a fan of Sandra. Surprisingly, she's not hot in the U.S. I don't even know how I found out about her...from friends I think. Anyway, I'm into Sandra and anything in the German dance category. Other groups I enjoy are BLUE SYSTEM, BAD BOYS BLUE, MODERN TALKING, C.C.CATCH (which I'm SURE you'll like if you like Sandra), GINA T., and FANCY. If you're from Europe and know any of these groups, e-mail me (cha@stolaf.edu) because they'll sure hard to find in the States! I strongly encourage Blue Sytem for anyone into some bad ass dance music. That's all I have for now. Enjoy. Enigmaly yours, Valeng Cha cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Mar 95 13:08:57 -0800 From: draktar@foxmail.gfc.edu (Jesse Cadd) Subject: Just Joined To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au As requested, here is some info about me: I am called Draktar, I'm 18, living in Newberg, Oregon (USA) and going to George Fox College. Several years ago I bought MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition" on tape when in the Philippines. Falling in immediate love, I kept my eyes peeled for any further albums (or INFORMATION!) but was disappointed for three long years. When The CROSS of Changes came out I snatched it up on CD and soon thereafter I tried to find MCMXC a.D. "TLE" on CD as well, but I couldn't find it anywhere here in the US, so I settled for just plain old MCMXC a.D. A few days ago I stumbled onto the Enigma homepage on 3w and the wealth of information there. It was kind of weird to go from knowing virtually nothing about it to knowing more about it than any other music I listen to. Speaking of other music, my tastes are rather scattered. At this moment, I'm listening to Alice in Chains, and I have SEAL, Metallica, Extreme, and Chant sitting in front of me. Elsewhere I have stuff ranging from dance (only one) to Christian new wave to Irish alternative to North Western (US) alternative to Dvorak to just about anything else. Interestingly enough, along with Enigma, two of my favourite albums are Deep Forest and Patrick O'Hearn's The Best Of, both of which were mentioned as being somewhat "like" Enigma. I just throw them all under the blanket of New Wave (or New Age, what have you). The one type of music you may be certain I do not have is Country. I do have a special place in my heart for Wagner's Ring Cycle, but sadly no place yet for a set of CDs. That'll come someday, hopefully. I'm a Computer Science major here at Fox, just finishing up my sophomore year. A rather large part of me that might be useful to know is that I'm an MK (missionary kid) and I've grown up in 3 different countries (England, USA, Philippines, from least to greatest number of years), so I've got something of an international perspective on life (i.e. slightly anarchistic, but not too bad). Anyway, glad to join this listserve and hope to have a good time. }-] -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:42:22 +1100 From: donerb@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Don Richards-Boeff) Subject: Let me guess... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Lemme guess... Jesse introduced Christina to the Enigma mailing list... or was it vice-versa? Hmmmm... Joar: Seems like we're getting a lot of new subscribers of late! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 95 12:04:42 -0800 From: draktar@foxmail.gfc.edu (Jesse Cadd) Subject: Let me guess... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Lemme guess... Jesse introduced Christina to the Enigma mailing list... or was >it vice-versa? Hmmmm... Quite correct and proud of it! }-] -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 95 11:30:17 EST From: Matthew.S.Jeffers@williams.edu (Matt Jeffers) Subject: Limited Editions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au To respond to Neil, Where'd you get those limited edition versions of MCMXCa.D. and CROSS of Changes? I must have them, at the cheapest cost and in the best (i.e. unused and unopened) condition. If you have a source, please send it to me. And in the meanwhile, work on your spelling...:) MATT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 18:14:08 -0600 (CST) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: MCMXC A.D. Hologram Cover To: Enigma Listserver I live in the US and have heard countless times that the Hologram Cover version of the MCMXC Limited Edition is hard, if not impossible, to find here. If ANYONE (ESPECIALLY anyone from Australia where, I hear, Enigma singles, special editions, etc. are easy to find) knows where and how to get one, PLEASE respond telling me how. I am desperate to get this CD! Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 02:49:45 -0600 (CST) From: James Esposito Subject: MCMXC a.D. limited! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Listserver) I guess its my turn now... My name is James A. Esposito and I'm a Tulane student in New Orleans, LA. (Go Green Wave!)... Anyways, I was introducted to Enigma back when I was in high school, around '91 or so.... just heard it on the radio and thought it was hot... so i bought the normal mxmxc a.D... after that album, I had been waiting for a followup album... took three years, but well worth the wait... I bought The Cross of Changes without even listening to it... I knew it would be incredible... and that it was... Ever since I found this home page, my knowledge for one of my favorite bands has quadrupled... thanks to those who helped put it together... I cant wait until Enigma III.... I know it will be excellent... Cretu is incredible... My collection of Enigma albums is as follows: MCMXC a.D. - U.S. release MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition" - German release The Cross of Changes - U.S. release The Cross of Changes (Special Edition) - German release My question is as follows... I purchased the limited edition of MCMXC, and on the album itself as well as on the booklet, the words "Data, Alpha, Mambo" appear... it read in the faq that there is only a limited version of this disc... however... the artwork on the front cover is not as the faq says.. the artwork is just the normal cover , a little smaller to fit the additional words at the bottom... Does anybody have any input? Do all releases of the Limited Edition have "data alpha, mambo" on the disc and cover? Or could this be one of the so called limited, limited versions of the album? Thanks again... FiSH -- ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** ********** ********** ********** James Anthony Esposito ********** ********** Esposito@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu ********** ********** ********** ********** (Opinions expressed are my own and nobody elses!) ********** ********** ********** ***************************************************************************** ***************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 95 07:00:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: MCMXCAD VIDEO LD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au For those interested in an Enigma video. This is extracted from the latest Ear/Rational update - Enigma - MCMXC A.D. The Videos LD <00826> import $57.50 * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 12:40:42 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Compton Subject: MCMXCAD VIDEO LD To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, DON WEIR wrote: > > For those interested in an Enigma video. This is extracted from the latest > Ear/Rational update - > > Enigma - MCMXC A.D. The Videos LD <00826> import $57.50 > > > * RM 1.3 02178 * > > This same video is available at a local TOWER, (a chain music and video store) for twenty. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 05:32:19 -0800 (PST) From: Rainith Subject: MCMXCAD VIDEO LD To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 8 Mar 1995, Glenn Compton wrote: > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, DON WEIR wrote: > > > For those interested in an Enigma video. This is extracted from the latest > > Ear/Rational update - > > > > Enigma - MCMXC A.D. The Videos LD <00826> import $57.50 > > > > > > > This same video is available at a local TOWER, (a chain music and video > store) for twenty. > Now is the the Complete video that is available at Tower? Or is it 'The Videos Part I'? 'Cause if its the complete Videos (and this is assuming you're in the US), buy it, and I'll buy if from you, but if this is the videos pt I than $20 is quite high... more than $2 per minute. The one stated above by Don is (my guess) the Japanese laserdisc version. Rainith +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ |So you can make me cum, that doesn't make you Jesus. -Tori Amos | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 14:48:24 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: MCMXCAD VIDEO LD To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > For those interested in an Enigma video. This is extracted from the latest > > Ear/Rational update - > > > > Enigma - MCMXC A.D. The Videos LD <00826> import $57.50 > > > > > > * RM 1.3 02178 * > > > > > This same video is available at a local TOWER, (a chain music and video > store) for twenty. Are you sure? Is it listed as an import LD or domestic? If you're right, I'm hauling my butt down to Tower tonight. :) -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 95 21:00:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: MCMXCAD VIDEO LD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au RR> Now is the the Complete video that is available at Tower? Or is it 'The RR> Videos Part I'? 'Cause if its the complete Videos (and this is assumin RR> you're in the US), buy it, and I'll buy if from you, but if this is the RR> videos pt I than $20 is quite high... more than $2 per minute. The one These PAL VHS videos are available in Australia - * Enigma MCMXCaD The Complete Album Video - excellent visuals/sound A$40-50 complete 45 mins with continuity * Enigma Video Compile (Virgin Records Aust) A$30 or in promotion 30 mins contains varous music clips from both CDs not on the first video. Visuals/sound excellent on average VCR, but very good on HiFi stereo. Hard to get, but some stores have them around... hope this helps. Don * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 15:48:29 -0700 (MST) From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: MCMXCAD VIDEO LD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) >> Enigma - MCMXC A.D. The Videos LD import $57.50 > > This same video is available at a local TOWER, (a chain music and video > store) for twenty. *Is* it the same video, or is Tower's copy just the two-track US release? I've never seen a US release of the full video album, but I'd sure like to. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ::: http://rt66.com/lazlo/ features Discographies, Record ::: Collecting Resources, The Internet Music Wantlists, and more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 09:54:24 EST From: fogelinc@Cyanamid.COM (Carl C. Fogelin) Subject: Mea Culpa To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just a quick FYI. The latest Mike & The Mechanics album (Beggar on the Beach of Gold) includes a song called "Mea Culpa". This is not the same song that Enigma performs. Don't be fooled. Carl --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl Fogelin (fogelinc@pt.cyanamid.com) "All opinions are strictly mine" Computer pioneer Seymour Cray, described the characteristics of Virtual Memory Operating Systems as follows: Memory is like an orgasm. It's a lot better if you don't have to fake it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 23:39:07 -0800 From: Matthew.S.Jeffers@williams.edu (Matt Jeffers) Subject: Mea Culpa Gregorian To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Whowever said Mea Culpa's intro is Track 10 on "Chant" is absolutely right. There's no mistaking it after listening. Can someone please describe what "Mea Culpa Part II" is like so I can decide if I want to buy it or not? MATT <<98msj@williams.edu>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:06:36 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Summers Subject: Mea Culpa Gregorian To: Matt Jeffers On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Matt Jeffers wrote: > Whowever said Mea Culpa's intro is Track 10 on "Chant" is absolutely right. > There's no mistaking it after listening. Can someone please describe what > "Mea Culpa Part II" is like so I can decide if I want to buy it or not? > MATT <<98msj@williams.edu>> > > I almost had to disagree with you, but went back and listened to both peices over and over, and I think I do agree the sample is the same. Hey Joar, any confirmations? l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 20:42:04 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Mea Culpa Gregorian To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mar 17, 9:06am, Alex Summers wrote: > On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Matt Jeffers wrote: > > > Whowever said Mea Culpa's intro is Track 10 on "Chant" is absolutely right. > > There's no mistaking it after listening. Can someone please describe what > > "Mea Culpa Part II" is like so I can decide if I want to buy it or not? > > I almost had to disagree with you, but went back and listened to both > peices over and over, and I think I do agree the sample is the same. Hey > Joar, any confirmations? The Gregorian singing on 'Mea Culpa' is supposedly taken from an album by Kappelle Antiqua, a Munich-based choir. When they heard the Enigma tracks, they sued Cretu for infringement upon its "right of personality". There's more on this story in the FAQ and in an article on the WWW/FTP site. I have not heard the Chant album, so I cannot comment on whether they are singing the same song as the one in 'Mea Culpa'. It wouldn't surprise me, as I'm sure there's a set of Gregorian standard songs Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:31:34 +0800 (WST) From: Jamie P Yoon Subject: MIKE OLDFIELD'S MAC To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I haven't checked my mail for about a week, and I found this: > > > Jamie P Yoon bleated - > > JY> Mike Oldfield spent less time worrying about his autoexec.bat, his > JY> win.ini, his irq for his sound equipment, etc,etc, and more time on > JY> creating music we love. > > unlike Micheal Cretu does? > You mean Michael Cretu uses a PC? I mean he writes great music, and all that, but a PC?? OH GOD!!!! Anyone see the similarities with the original post??? Ugliness aside, in my "Making of Cross Changes" video, Cretu appears to be using something that sure as hell don't look like a PC; it was a massive black console. Anyway, he was editing the choir sample in "the eyes of truth" (adding the reverb to it), and he looked like he hadn't had very much sleep :) Regards, Jamie -- | Jamie P. Yoon, Apple Student Rep, University of WA _-_|\ | | PowerBook powered, IIgs fanatic, and.... / OZ | | | INTERNET JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I live here =======> X_.-._/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 15:37:29 +0100 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: MIKE OLDFIELD'S MAC To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Fri, 3 Mar 1995, Jamie P Yoon wrote: > I haven't checked my mail for about a week, and > Ugliness aside, in my "Making of Cross Changes" video, Cretu appears to > be using something that sure as hell don't look like a PC; it was a > massive black console. Anyway, he was editing the choir sample in "the > eyes of truth" (adding the reverb to it), and he looked like he hadn't > had very much sleep :) > > > Regards, Jamie > > I believe you mean his mixing desk (A Euphonix, a digitally controlled analogue mixing desk). Mounted on the desk is a lexicon reverb unit (white/cream colored). Alexander Lint ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 19:18:10 MET-0100 From: "SUSTR PAVEL" Subject: My aplogize - What's up with RCPT: Hi! Hi! Hi! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Is everyone else getting repeated "RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi !" messages from the > following subscribers ? > > SUSTR PAVEL > Robert Alexander Essex > Neil Perry Media Tech > > The text says they've read the note entitled "Hi ! Hi ! Hi !". > > Is there something wrong with the listserver or is it those users' mailreader ? > I notice they all appear to be using Pegasus. Does it have some kind of auto- > acknowledgement feature that needs to be turned off ? I want to send my biggest apologize to everyone who was disgusted by my disgusting message which read somehow like "RCPT: Hi! Hi! Hi!" (or by the original message - "Hi! Hi! Hi!" :-).I'm the only one who is guilty for this and in my defense I can only tell I'm very, really very sorry for this. When I was sending my message to the Mailing List, I didn't notice I forgot to turn off the reading confirmation that I usually use and you saw what followed... So please, try to forgive one poor sad man with the eyes full of tears, the prisoner who doesn't deserve nothing but death, I promise it will never happen again (I hope #-) My apologize also belongs to the administrators of this mailing list, they were very kind, they didn't tell you who is really responsible for this, thanx ;-) If you want, I can for example make another extra homework... See you (or your message) Pavel. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:49:14 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: my homework! (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Name: Judge Cody Kirkwood > > Age: 16 > > Currently in my Enigma collection: > MCMXC A.D. (Charisma US release) > Enigma 2 (Charisma US release) > Return to Innocence single (5" US release, non-promo) > Age of Innocence single (5" US release) > Age of Innocence single (5" UK release) > Sliver soundtrack > > I plan to get MANY more when I get access to CD Europe and am > able to order the singles I want. > > > Where I first heard Enigma: > I was sitting in a movie theater with my mother waiting for > the movie to start and Return to Innocence (Album version) came > on the radio that was playing during the still advertisements. > I instantly fell in love with the band and sought out as much > of their CD's I could--that is, until I got connected to the > Net and found an Enigma discography. Now I am obsessed with > getting the CD's I want. > > How much of a fan I am: > No other band compares with them. Sure, I like Deep > Forest and others, but only true Enigma will do. > > Other artists I like: > Deep Forest > Enya > My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult > Suzanne Vega > > Course or job: > Student at the University of North Texas > > > Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 15:06:12 -0400 From: daniel@mrree.gub.uy Subject: new CD To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I would like to know more about the new CD Enigma 3 I've read in the WWW Home Page. Thanks ! Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 17:33:02 +0100 (MET) From: si212613@ci.uminho.pt (Hugo Figueiredo) Subject: New here To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello ! My name is Hugo, I'm 21, study at University of Minho, Braga, Portugal. Heard of Enigma the first time by my father after a traveling to France bought the first album. Love the music, and bought the CD Cross of Changes this last year and awaiting the next release. And to finish I like all kinds of music. (sorry for the typos) ---- H.F. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:44:07 GMT+1 From: "Kvam, Ove" Subject: New man on the list. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello. I just subscribed to this list. My name is Ove Kvam. I am 23 years old, and live in Norway. I more of a Sandra fan than an Enigma fan. I have only one Enigma record, and five Sandra records. I also have/like Cretus older records. Besides Cretu music, I like most commercialized modern music, like Bon Jovi, Roxette or european dance. I am a computer student at the same school as Joar Grimstvedt, keeper of the Enigma WWW page. I have an opening question for Cretu fans out there: What kind of car(s) does Cretu/Sandra have? (As you maybe already have guessed, I am also interested in cars...) ................................................................ Ove Kvam, Pb 360, 4341 BRYNE, NORWAY Phone: Norway+51482719 ---------------------Email: ovekvam@hsr.no---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:52:36 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: New man on the list. To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hello Ove, > I have an opening question for Cretu fans out there: > > What kind of car(s) does Cretu/Sandra have? > (As you maybe already have guessed, I am also interested in cars...) On the Ten On One (The Singles) video, Sandra drives a dark red cabriolet Mercedes 300 (or 500). This was in 1987. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 12:52:57 --100 From: v922259@si.hhs.nl (Coen v/d Geest) Subject: New member (that's me) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, Since I'm a great fan of Enigma for a short while (before, I was just knew some tracks) it's logical that I subscribed to the Enigma mailing list. My name is Coen v/d Geest, a 20 year old student in the Netherlands. I started to collect Enigma when the latest Mike Oldfield was released, "The Songs of Distand Earth". There were quite some links between him and Enigma, so I wanted to have more of that genre. I bought "MCMXCad" and a few days later I bought "The Cross of Changes". My collection is not large, it includes 3 CD singles (Age of Lonelyness, Out From the Deep and I bought Rivers of Belief yesterday for 4 guilders (3 US dollar)) and a 7" single of Mea Culpa. (And the Canadian MCMXCad and the limited edition of The Cross...). Other artists I like are Mike Oldfield (as I mentioned above), Jean Michel Jarre (he's the best, IMHO, collection is quite large), Art of Noise, Seal, FgtH, other ZTT related bands, Pet Shop Boys, Vangelis (1492 is becoming a hit here in the Netherlands!) and more electronic based bands. Well, that's it, greetings, Coen v/d Geest ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:36:21 EST5 From: "Alberto Pedroso" Subject: New Member/request To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I just subscribed to this list and want to introduce myself. My name's Alberto, and I live in Cuba and work as a System Analyst (I studied Computer Science). I love Enigma: the first song I heard by them was their hit Sadeness, and was instantly addicted. Then I managed to get their two albums, being my favorite _The Cross od Changes_. My favorite songs by them are: "The dream of the dolphin", "Sadeness", "Callas went away", "Silent warrior", "Return to innocence" and "Knocking on forbidden doors". Other artists/bands I love: Enya, Toad the Wet Sprocket, REM, Gin Blossoms and Loreena McKennitt. I think that's enough to start. And I have some info request for you. Though I love Enigma, I haven't got much info on them. I would really appreciate if someone could send me a FAQ or any article on the band :) My e-mail address is: alberto@infomed.sld.cu Thanks in advance, ALberto. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 21:11:45 GMT+1 From: "Ove Kvam" Subject: New Sandra stuff on the radio! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I heard a new Sandra song on one of the local radio stations yesterday. It was not very different from the songs on the Close To Seven album. I liked it. The DJ said the name of the song and that it was a cover version of an older song by some artist in less than a second, so I didn't catch any of it. I don't think I have heard the original though. ................................................................ Ove Kvam, Pb 360, 4341 BRYNE, NORWAY Phone: Norway+51482719 ---------------------Email: ovekvam@hsr.no---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:37:26 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Summers Subject: New thread To: Enigma Mailing List Ummm...gang...can we get off the thread about Hi hi hi...please? Thanks. l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 95 15:25:00 PST From: "Bento, Kevin" Subject: New User: Kevin Bento To: Emigma Post address Hello Enigma Fans: My name is Kevin Bento. I am 24 years old and live in Newburgh, NY. I love ambient and rave music, as well as more "mainstream" music like U2, NIN, Peter Gabriel, Deep Forest, Tori, etc. My Enigma passion began about 5 years ago(?) with the first CD, then to a mix CD of "Sadeness" and then to the Newest CD Cross of Change. I absolutely loved the first CD and still listen to it often. I am hungry for any new releases from Enigma, but haven't seen any new stuff from them... I graduated from Marist College in Poughkeepsie, NY in 1994 with a degree in Computer Science. I am a Systems Engineer at the Pepsi-Cola Company in Somers, NY, USA . Since Pepsi was a corporate sponser, I was able to camp out at Woodstock for the concert. Truely a pivitol experience for me. Wish I was old enough for the first one! Interesting info: If you like Enigma and the Peter Gabriel "jungle" type sound, check out Deep Forest. It is an excellent CD with lots of ambient music with good beats. I look forward to hearing from all of you in the future. Kevin Bento ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 10:28:38 -0500 (EST) From: "John N. Underwood" Subject: online music stores To: ENIGMA Distribution List Since people have been asking about online music stores, here are the ones I know about. I have not dealt with any of them, so I cannot provide comments or recommendations. Proceed at your own risk and good luck in your search! EAR/Rational Music Noteworthy Music GEMM - Global Electronic Music Marketplace Cdnow! CD Connection CD Europe The above list is available at: http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/music/onlinestores.html -- John N. Underwood - junderw@cs.clemson.edu http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/junderw.html A n d T h r o u g h T h e W i r e P e t e r G a b r i e l http://www.cs.clemson.edu/~junderw/pg.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:13:59 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Power & Glory To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In Germany there's a strange situation at the moment. A boxer called Henry Maske is using Vangelis' track 'Conquest Of Paradise' as his theme when he's boxing or has a public appearance. This has lead to Vangelis going to number 1 on the German single charts and album charts (with 1492). I was in Germany last week and it was a special occasion to go into the record stores and see Vangelis at the top of all charts! As a consequence of this success, East West (the record company) has released a compilation called Henry Maske - Power & Glory, which is a collection of music that Maske finds calmness and inner strength in. There are some Vangelis tracks ('Conquest Of Paradise' naturally, 'Chariots Of Fire - Titles' and 'Rachel's Song'), tracks by Enya, Mike Oldfield, B-Tribe, and by Enigma. The Enigma track is 'I Love You ... I'll Kill You' - an interesting choice for a compilation. It is featured in it's full 8:51 length, and it is the revised version (with the "you'll be fine" line). In some ways the album can be described as a compilation of Enigma-like music, as the tracks you'll find are music which has been compared to Enigma - Mike Oldfield's 'Hibernaculum', B-Tribe's 'Que Mala Vida', Vangelis' 'Conquest Of Paradise'. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 10:19:00 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Summers Subject: Power & Glory To: ENIGMA Distribution List Any chance that this Power and GLory album will become available in the US anytime soon? It sounds truely interesting. l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:56:45 -0400 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Power & Glory To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mon, 20 Mar 1995 joarg@hsr.no wrote: > in. There are some Vangelis tracks ('Conquest Of Paradise' naturally, > 'Chariots Of Fire - Titles' and 'Rachel's Song'), tracks by Enya, Anyone know what the bckground is on that Vangelis tune call "Rachel's Song"? I know this is rather unrelated, but a supposedly ficticious piece call just that plays an important role in Guy Gavriel Kay's novel "the Summer Tree". Any possible help on this would be much appreciated. _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@cfn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 95 11:34:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: QUOTE ON THE ENIGMA2 COVE To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Alex Summers - AS> Hey, question for anyone out there? Who is Jalallduni Rumi, who is he's a Sufi from about the 12th Century. There's a book about him/poetry etc..available. In Sydney it is available at the Adyar and Esoteric Bookshops. Don * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 10:22:38 -0400 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: QUOTE ON THE ENIGMA2 COVE To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Sat, 18 Mar 1995, DON WEIR wrote: > > Alex Summers - > > AS> Hey, question for anyone out there? Who is Jalallduni Rumi, who is > > he's a Sufi from about the 12th Century. > > There's a book about him/poetry etc..available. In Sydney it is available > at the Adyar and Esoteric Bookshops. > I'm interested... who's it by, etc? _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@cfn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 14:42:50 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Summers Subject: Quote on the Enigma2 cover To: Enigma Mailing List Hey, question for anyone out there? Who is Jalallduni Rumi, who is quoted on the back of the cover for Enigma2. I like the quote, in fact, it's my plan, but I am wanting to know more about where this saying came from. Thanks for any information. l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 17:12:37 -0400 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Quote on the Enigma2 cover To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Sat, 18 Mar 1995, Alex Summers wrote: > Hey, question for anyone out there? Who is Jalallduni Rumi, who is > quoted on the back of the cover for Enigma2. I like the quote, in fact, > it's my plan, but I am wanting to know more about where this saying came > from. Thanks for any information. > > l8rz... > Drewmeister > > Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 > "Reality will never be the same." > > > Recently, I've found myself wondering that. It *is* a great quote. Word is (don't bet too much on this) that he was a 14th century poet/mystic. If anyone know how I might get a hold of any of his writings in Engish, I'd be greatful. Note: This isfo is from a bookin which his name was spell a little differently, and was loaded with horizontal accents. It *may* be that they're two completely different people. _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@cfn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 95 08:25:20 -0800 From: draktar@foxmail.gfc.edu (Jesse Cadd) Subject: Re(2): Enigma Digest V1 #212 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >"Rachel's Song is from the BLADERUNNER soundtrack, so it would probably >be safe to assume that it was written for the movie, particullarly for >the character named, Rachel, (the replicant love interest of Harrison >Ford played by Sean Young). Just in case anyone didn't know, the Bladerunner soundtrack was actually a bunch of songs _based_ on the movie, rather than from the movie. I did hear that Vangelis decided to release the real soundtrack recently, but I have not yet obtained a copy. }-] -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:01:30 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Return To Innocence samples To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The following information is from Alan Shrives (alans@redac.co.uk). > I recognised the singing from the song Return To Innocence by Enigma as the > first track on Vocal Polyphonies of Taiwan Aborigines (Inedit, Maison Des > Cultures Du Monde, W 260 011). This seems to be confirmed by the brief note > in the Enigma FAQ. The song is sung whilst weeding the paddyfields, by the > Ami people. > > I also heard another Enigma song on the radio which uses the first track from > Mongolia: Vocal & Instrumantal (Inedit, Maison Des Cultures Du Monde, > W 260 009). I also have this CD. The track is called Jaakhan Charga and is a > long song (this is the style not the duration). > > I would not say that Enigma are guilty of plagiarism. I would, however, say that > they have failed in their duty to fully credit the samples used. These > significantly add to the originality and substance of their music. > > I think that the originals are at least as good as the Enigma songs, and I would > recommend any of the CDs in the series mentioned. Alan also has something to say about Deep Forest: > I have heard the Deep Forest CD and recognised the backing to Lullaby > (track 2) as "The water drum". This is from the CD "Cameroon - Baka Pygmy > Music" recorded by Simha Arom D8029 UNESCO Avidis (12 Av. M. Thorez, 94100, > Ivry-Sur-Seine, France). I don't have this CD, but I do have a sampler which > has this track on it - "Musical Sources" D8100 (costs about 6 GB Pounds). > > There is a credit on the Deep Forest sleeve notes and according to the > Sony music homepage, they have paid the copyright charges. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 12:56:27 -0600 From: "John H. Ruszkowski" Subject: Rivers of belief/principles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Can someone provide me with E-mail address to CDNow and CDEurope -- Begin original message -- > From: lazlo@RT66.com (Lazlo Nibble) > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:17:17 -0700 (MST) > Subject: Re: Rivers of belief/principles > To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Reply-To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > >> My local import shop is selling the MCMXc LTD Edition and the > >> Principles Of Lust CD5 (both for $27.00 each) > > > > $27 for a single???? DON'T BUY IT!!! It's cheaper to buy it through > > online music stores like CDNow.com, CDEurope.com and so on.... > > If you can suggest *any* source, online or offline, for the "Principles of > Lust" single I'd like to hear about it, $27 or not! > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) > ::: http://rt66.com/lazlo/ features Discographies, Record > ::: Collecting Resources, The Internet Music Wantlists, and more. > > -- End original message -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:06:37 +1000 From: donerb@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Don E. Richards-Boeff) Subject: Sandra and Cretu releases in the U.S. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > In the US and Australia, it is unlikely you will find Sandra or Michael Cretu >on the shelves, whether it be new or in a second hand store. Au contrair, mon freir (or whatever :) )! Many of the large chains, such as Tower Records, Blockbuster Music, Specs Music & Video, et al carry Import sections where one can find some Cretu and Sandra titles, especially mid 80s and most recent releases. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 10:20:33 -0600 (CST) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Sandra Disc - Singles To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > In Europe and the UK, however, there is a good chance that you will at least > find a greatest hits compilation. In Europe, you will also most likely soon se > Sandra's latest album. I hope I'm not breaking the list etiquette, but I have a copy of Sandra's Uk release of her singles (its a greatest hits comp) that I'd like to part with and I know that some of you are looking for it. I don't listen to it anymore. Please e-mail me privately and we can talk details. Sorry if this is trash filling your mailbox... MC @-----------------------------------------------------------------------@ | Mark B. Conklin (MC) | All that we see or seem, is but a dream | | mbconkli@ilstu.edu | within a dream...within a dream... (EAP) | @-----------------------------------------------------------------------@ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:17:27 -0600 (CST) From: Valeng Cha Subject: Sandra in the U.S. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma ListServ) Because Sandra is not an International figure, a lot of her stuff are not readily available. If you're in the U.S. and dumb-founded by all the Sandra talk, don't despair. Sandra has one CD in the States (forgot the title) by Virgin records (USA). It's suppose to be a compilation collection, not a real album. You will probably find it in the larger music store chains. If not, ask the people there to order it for ya...they should be able to find it. But if you want more than just this, a lot of Vietnamese-Americans know Sandra. If you live near a metro area or have Vietnamese friends, they should be able to direct you to a store (usually an Asian music store) where Sandra albums are sold. I know several places myself, so email me if you're interested. Valeng Cha cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:15:19 -0600 (CST) From: deicide@rci.ripco.com (Tomi Koivusaari) Subject: Sandra Videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone have any Sandra videos? Did she release a Greatest Hits or anything, VHS format is prefered but european is fine too... -- ...Karelia... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 13:20:37 +0200 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: Sandra Videos To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Tomi Koivusaari wrote: > Does anyone have any Sandra videos? Did she release a Greatest Hits or > anything, VHS format is prefered but european is fine too... > -- > > ...Karelia... > I have a copy of 'Ten on one - the singles' it contains the same songs as the album altough not in the same order, and 'Everlasting love' is the 12" version. Sandra talks in German on this video. it's a VHS (pal 50HZ) tape. The clips are quite stupid, so don't pay to much money for it. Alexander Lint ALint@ET.TUDELFT.NL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 95 21:15:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: SANDRA VIDEOS To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Tomi Koivusaari asked - TK> Does anyone have any Sandra videos? Did she release a Greatest Hits or TK> anything, VHS format is prefered but european is fine too... 'Ten On One Singles' is available at Red Eye in Sydney Don * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 16:39:21 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Sandra Videos To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mar 27, 4:15pm, Tomi Koivusaari wrote: > Does anyone have any Sandra videos? Did she release a Greatest Hits or > anything, VHS format is prefered but european is fine too... In addition to the Ten On One (The Singles) compilation from 1987 a video compilation was released in 1992, alongside 18 Greatest Hits. It features the same tracks as on the album compilation. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:21:53 -0600 (CST) From: deicide@rci.ripco.com (Tomi Koivusaari) Subject: Sandra Videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Tomi Koivusaari wrote: > > > I have a copy of 'Ten on one - the singles' it contains the same songs as > the album altough not in the same order, and 'Everlasting love' is the > 12" version. Sandra talks in German on this video. it's a VHS (pal > 50HZ) tape. The clips are quite stupid, so don't pay to much money for it. > > Alexander Lint > ALint@ET.TUDELFT.NL > > I wouldn't be able to find it here. What do you mean the clips? the videos themselves? anyways, so it has 10 videos, thats pretty cool, any idea where if theres a video marketplace on the net where i would find it? if not, what would be the cost of dubbing and sending a VHS to the US? we could trade if you want the Kylie Minogue Greatest Hits 1 and 2. -- ...Karelia... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:23:20 -0600 (CST) From: deicide@rci.ripco.com (Tomi Koivusaari) Subject: Sandra Videos To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > On Mar 27, 4:15pm, Tomi Koivusaari wrote: > > > Does anyone have any Sandra videos? Did she release a Greatest Hits or > > anything, VHS format is prefered but european is fine too... > > In addition to the Ten On One (The Singles) compilation from 1987 > a video compilation was released in 1992, alongside 18 Greatest > Hits. It features the same tracks as on the album compilation. > > > Joar > Any ideas how I could get those? I got my Kylie Minogue stuff from some US guy, but nobody seems to know who Sandra is (over here) so I cant find anything. Any internet marketplaces that might be selling... lemme know, thanks -- ...Karelia... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 01:23:42 +0200 From: ooms@xs4all.nl (Peter Ooms) Subject: Sandra Videos, Q: availability. To: ENIGMA Distribution List >On Mar 27, 4:15pm, Tomi Koivusaari wrote: > >> Does anyone have any Sandra videos? Did she release a Greatest Hits or >> anything, VHS format is prefered but european is fine too... > Joar wrote: >In addition to the Ten On One (The Singles) compilation from 1987 >a video compilation was released in 1992, alongside 18 Greatest >Hits. It features the same tracks as on the album compilation. > Yes indeed, I've got the 10-on-1 Video. Unfortenately I missed the VT/18Greatest when it was released in the Netherlands. I've also contacted Virgin (via several music/video shops), but they (?) said it is not available anymore. Q: Can anyone tell me/us how or where I can get a copy (preferable a legal one) of the Video 18 Greatest hits ?. On forehand, thanks for the replies. Something else, I've heard some rumours that Sandra is going to release a new album in april'95, is that true ? (if so, is there some additional information yet available ? Keep up the fine work in this mailing list. Thanks. . <<-r-e-g-a-r-d-s---f-r-o-m----------> Do not pray for tasks equal to your power (:) Peter ooms@xs4all (:) //\ Pray for powers equal to your tasks // =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=// \\_____________________________>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 17:42:18 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Sandra Videos, Q: availability. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. You wrote: > Something else, I've heard some rumours that Sandra is going to release a > new album in april'95, is that true ? (if so, is there some additional > information yet available ? That rumor is correct. I am hoping to hear information about the first single and hopefully in depth details about the album really really soon (all going well I might even receive a promotional copy before it is released in Europe). Stay tuned!! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 95 22:36:35 EST From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: Sheet music. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) Has someone been talking about me? My ears were burning. Anyway, this week I picked two sheet music books, one for each album. Of course, these are piano reductions and not very accurate. Also, I got a book from the library called "Urban Dance Hits" or something like that that has a slighty different version of "Sadeness". -- Also, I have heard that in Japan, for many popular groups they have accurate transcriptions of all instruments. Possibly, Enigma music might be available in this form. I certainly hope so. But, then how can they be obtained? If anyone has any info, please, let me know. -- Mathias iconoclast@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1995 16:19:45 U From: "Antezana, Luis" Subject: Store request To: "Enigma List" Hello readers I've got a request for you all, partly inspired by similar requests from other list members, and partly inspired by my own entrepreneurial impulses. (apologies to individuals who have previously heard this from me). I'm building a worldwide database of stores that sell dance music. I need all the basic info like store name, address, phone, e-mail address if available, contact name, and what formats they carry (CD, vinyl, video), and any notes/comments that would help further identify the store. So - if anyone can mail me *any* info they can come up with I would be ever grateful. Oh yeah, you can have a copy when I'm done (or when I'm not done if you're kind of weird like that...). Or anybody who is going to visit somewhere can e-mail me for store info. I intend to keep up this effort for some time, so please don't be upset if I post this exact same stinkin' message one month from now! I do want to admit that I will be using this to help sell more of the remix service for which I do remixes (Evolution), so if you have a problem with supporting that, then now you can make an informed decision. (We're a small independent House/NuNRG remix service so don't worry!) Much thanks to those who have already mailed me info, and to Lazlo's ftp site for its LA and San Diego info. Lucky Lou >From Seattle Remixer for Evolution Remix Service F3E@aol.com for more info Factor 3 Remix Service Eurodisque Remix Service ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 95 16:10:36 MST From: ae718@rgfn.epcc.Edu (Irene Smith) Subject: sweats & tees To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'm dropping in to look for info concerning the sweatshirts from the first Enigma MCMXC a.D. :) I read the web page, but 1990 is so long ago, and people tell me that no one responds to their orders to Guy Tees in SC for the monk sweatshirts. Is this so? Any suggestions? Thanks! -------------------- Returned message follows --------------------- Return-path: Received: from ALPHA1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU by mfs02.cc.monash.edu.au (Mercury 1.11); Thu, 1 Dec 94 18:42:50 GMT+1000 Received: from zikzak.apana.org.au (root@zikzak.apana.org.au) by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V4.3-12 #8933) id <01HK50XJFB7KB62YGM@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>; Thu, 01 Dec 1994 18:42:50 +1100 Received: from eplet.apana.org.au (root@eplet.apana.org.au [192.188.107.13]) by zikzak.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA29084; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 07:43:34 GMT Received: from lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (root@lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.90]) by eplet.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA10168; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:18:51 +1100 Received: from ALPHA1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU (alpha1.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by lindblat.cc.monash.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA25886; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:16:11 +1100 Received: from aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (pycho2@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V4.3-12 #8933) id <01HK5005FIOWB62WYN@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>; Thu, 01 Dec 1994 18:16:02 +1100 Received: from aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (pycho2@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au) by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V4.3-12 #8933) id <01HK4ZYQ1LK0B62RTN@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>; Thu, 01 Dec 1994 18:15:28 +1100 Received: (pycho2@localhost) by aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.4) id SAA08166; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 18:15:16 +1100 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 18:15:16 +1100 From: Mr PY Choi Subject: Re: Disk space To: bjh@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au, csc2050-l@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au Message-id: <199412010715.SAA08166@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:52:27 +1100 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Thanks & subscription information (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > > Hello, > > Frist off all I would thank to accept me in your fan-group. Hereby some personal > details (as requested). Furthermore I hope you wouldn't mind that I joined your > group also as a SANDRA fan. For now I leave it to this. > > === Personal profile questions ======= > > Name: Peter Ooms > > Age : 34 (gender: male) > > What is in your Enigma collection: Cross of Change, MCMXcaD > & 12" mea culpa > > Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: > I did connect to Enigma via Sandra (M. Cretu) in 1990. > > Other artists you like: .... guess....: SANDRA (in full) and lot's of > Dance/House > > What course or job you're doing (if any): Software System Expert (IBM/MVS) > > Any other interesting information you wish to share: > I love to make music (midi keyboards). > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:08:42 EST5 From: "Alberto Pedroso" Subject: Thanks/The dream of the Dolphin To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! Thanks to those who sent me the Enigma FAQ. It's WONDERFUL! I really enjoyed reading it!! I think it's a gold-mine of information. As I said in my introductory post "The dream of the Dolphin" is my favorite Enigma track. Does anyone know what the woman says in the middle of the song? I really enjoy this instrumental, it's very soft and "moody" though I think it's too short :( It reminds me a bit of Enya's music (my fave artist), especially the track "Watermark" from the album of the same title. Thanks in advance for any info you can provide, Alberto. -- _________________________________________________________________ | Alberto Pedroso Garcia | Fave artists: | |------------------------| Enya, Toad the Wet Sprocket, REM, | | System Analyst | Gin Blossoms, Enigma, The Breeders, | | alberto@infomed.sld.cu | Loreena McKennitt, Counting Crows | ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 15:59:53 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Thanks/The dream of the Dolphin To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hi, > As I said in my introductory post "The dream of the Dolphin" is my > favorite Enigma track. Does anyone know what the woman says in the > middle of the song? I really enjoy this instrumental, it's very soft > and "moody" though I think it's too short :( It reminds me a bit of > Enya's music (my fave artist), especially the track "Watermark" from > the album of the same title. Same here. I love "Watermark" and "Dream of the Dolphin" too. No matter how many times I listen to Watermark, I never get sick of it. Dream of the Dolphin is definitely too short IMO. I wish there would be some sort of remix which would make it longer. Also, does anyone know of where I could possibly get piano sheet music for Dream of the Dolphin? Thanks -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:31:04 -0600 (CST) From: Alex Summers Subject: Thanks/The dream of the Dolphin To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 16 Mar 1995, Alexander Dedios wrote: > > Dream of the Dolphin is definitely too short IMO. I wish there would > be some sort of remix which would make it longer. > I tend to agree on this point, every tim I listen to Dream, I want to just sit and listen to it more, but then it's over. Anyone know of any remixes, or remixes in the works? > Also, does anyone know of where I could possibly get piano sheet > music for Dream of the Dolphin? > Me too! Me too! Me too! I'd love the sheet music. l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 20:30:43 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Thanks/The dream of the Dolphin To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mar 16, 3:59pm, Alexander Dedios wrote: > Also, does anyone know of where I could possibly get piano sheet > music for Dream of the Dolphin? When on the subject of the sheet music: About a year ago there was someone mentioning he had picked up the sheet music for 'Return To Innocence' (actually it was Mathias Thallmayer, my greping of the archives tells me). Can he give us any details of this? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 95 21:51:19 CST From: Jim English Subject: Thanks/The dream of the Dolphin To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (ENIGMA Distribution List) > > On Mar 16, 3:59pm, Alexander Dedios wrote: > > > Also, does anyone know of where I could possibly get piano sheet > > music for Dream of the Dolphin? > > When on the subject of the sheet music: About a year ago there was > someone mentioning he had picked up the sheet music for 'Return To > Innocence' (actually it was Mathias Thallmayer, my greping of the > archives tells me). Can he give us any details of this? > > > Joar > Hi Joar, I got the sheet music at a store called Media Play about a month ago. It has the vocal parts (lead parts), and some piano (ie bass and treble clef split) backup. There are no drum rhythms (too bad), and I'm fairly sure the harmonies are incomplete, and I'm definately sure that the notation (slurs, nuances, etc) are nonexistant. In short it is cool as a good start to transcribing the song, but typically incomplete of that type of pop music style sheet music. The cover is the symbol from the UK single and it is as big (diameter) as the symbol is wide and the title is at the top with some of it overlapping the symbol. If u want the numbers off it just let me know (stock number etc). -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "I don't care if it rains or freezes/As long as I've got my plastic jesus/ Sitting on the dashboard of my car." ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 14:40:47 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: The first Sandra single is out! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yes, the first indication of the new Sandra material has been released. The single hit the stores in Norway this week, and is as reported a cover version. The track is 'Nights In White Satin', the old Moody Blues classic. There are fix mixes of the song, including Club Mix, Techno Mix and Jungle Mix. Producers of the single are Michael Cretu and Jens Gad. As for the cover it is very dark, showing Sandra standing in the night with some clouds above... a hard-to-describe cover apparently. I'll get more details soon. I also have some hard facts about the new album. It's release date is May 29th, and the title of it is Fading Shades - which is an interesting title! (Remember that 'Mea Culpa' mix???) Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 1995 17:03:00 GMT From: Peter_Lundkvist@sting.dextel.se (Peter Lundkvist) Subject: This is me! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello, everybody... It's time for a small introduction of myself.... My name is Peter Lundkvist, 18 years old. I live Taeby, a suburb of Stockholm, in Sweden of course. I'm currently making my way through the second year (of three) in school ("Continuation school [on the 'gymnasium' level]" that is, at least according to my English dictionary.), studying mainly "technology" (best translation I could come up with). My Enigma collection consists of MCMXC A.D. (on tape) and The Cross of Changes (on CD). TCoC is the best of the two, according to me. I really can't remember where I first heard Enigma, but I remember that when I heard one of the songs (don't remember which one, I'm getting old) I said to myself: "How come I haven't bought this album?". And so I went out and bought it (it was TCoC), and I wasn't disappointed. My taste in music is rather varied, ranging from Mariah Carey to Rage Against the Machine, with some Die Krupps, Live, Dire Straits, Bjork, Pearl Jam, Tragically Hip, Enigma of course and many others also thrown into the melting pot. Extremely interesting further information: I'm a proud member of "BOFZTT Film Productions": a small group of friends making funny movies (I'm the "F" in BOFZTT: Fluxpod, that's me!). We even get money from the government to make our little films! (I love this country, except from the fact that where I live, we don't have winters anymore). Well, in case you didn't know I also have a cat named Felix and a yellow lawnmower. That's all from me for now... Bye! "If it moves, don't eat it." (a good advice if you want to have lunch at my school someday...) /Peter Lundkvist peter.lundkvist@sting.dextel.se ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:28:35 -0500 (EST) From: "karol j. cios" Subject: Unsubscribe procedure ??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List Hello there, I recall reading something about Cretu having a restaurant and residence in Spain. I am currently planning a trip to Europe and would like to visit if possible his reesidence (yeah I wish) or at least the restaurant if anyone would be so kind to provide me with the exact location of it I would be greatful... Jon Cmos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 15:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Unsubscribe procedure ??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Thu, 30 Mar 1995, karol j. cios wrote: > Hello there, > I recall reading something about Cretu having a restaurant and > residence in Spain. I am currently planning a trip to Europe and would > like to visit if possible his reesidence (yeah I wish) or at least the > restaurant if anyone would be so kind to provide me with the exact > location of it I would be greatful... > Jon Cmos Hi, I don't know exactly where the restaurant is, but I think it is on the island of Ibiza. If you do manage to go, tell me how it is. -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:13:37 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Unsubscribe procedure ??? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Jon. > Hello there, > I recall reading something about Cretu having a restaurant and > residence in Spain. I am currently planning a trip to Europe and would > like to visit if possible his reesidence (yeah I wish) or at least the > restaurant if anyone would be so kind to provide me with the exact > location of it I would be greatful... > Jon Cmos I reported that information in the FAQ but do not know of the exact location. All I know is that it is on the island of Ibiza - maybe it only has one major town???? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:32:26 PST From: "Bert Lo" Subject: What's up with RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi ! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Is everyone else getting repeated "RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi !" messages from the following subscribers ? SUSTR PAVEL Robert Alexander Essex Neil Perry Media Tech The text says they've read the note entitled "Hi ! Hi ! Hi !". Is there something wrong with the listserver or is it those users' mailreader ? I notice they all appear to be using Pegasus. Does it have some kind of auto- acknowledgement feature that needs to be turned off ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 21:46:29 -0500 (EST) From: Shan-e-Ali Haider Subject: What's up with RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi ! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > Is everyone else getting repeated "RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi !" messages from the > following subscribers ? > > SUSTR PAVEL > Robert Alexander Essex > Neil Perry Media Tech > YES!!! and it's extremely annoying.... Gavin/Joar, could you guys please look into this? Also, even though I am not subscribed to the Digest version, I always get a copy (or two) everyday.... Is anyone else having this problem? Shan > The text says they've read the note entitled "Hi ! Hi ! Hi !". > > Is there something wrong with the listserver or is it those users' mailreader ? > I notice they all appear to be using Pegasus. Does it have some kind of auto- > acknowledgement feature that needs to be turned off ? > > > > -- **********************************************************************|PET | Won't You Teach Me How To Love And Learn? There'll Be Nothing Left For|SHOP| Me To Yearn:C()R()N/\ Je Veux Aller Au Bout De Mes Fantasmes:Mea Culpa|BOYS| **********************************************************************|RULE| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:58:19 +0100 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: What's up with RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi ! To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mar 2, 9:46pm, Shan-e-Ali Haider wrote: > > Is everyone else getting repeated "RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi !" messages from the > > following subscribers ? > > > > SUSTR PAVEL > > Robert Alexander Essex > > Neil Perry Media Tech > > > YES!!! and it's extremely annoying.... Gavin/Joar, could you guys please look This should be fixed now. > into this? Also, even though I am not subscribed to the Digest version, I > always get a copy (or two) everyday.... Is anyone else having this problem? There was a rush of digests (actually mail deliver error messages) on the list last weekend. Are these what you are referring to? I can't see that you should have received other digests than these. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:45:08 -0500 (EST) From: Shan-e-Ali Haider Subject: What's up with RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi ! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > On Mar 2, 9:46pm, Shan-e-Ali Haider wrote: > > > > Is everyone else getting repeated "RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi !" messages from the > > > following subscribers ? > > > > > > SUSTR PAVEL > > > Robert Alexander Essex > > > Neil Perry Media Tech > > > > > YES!!! and it's extremely annoying.... Gavin/Joar, could you guys please look > > This should be fixed now. > > > into this? Also, even though I am not subscribed to the Digest version, I > > always get a copy (or two) everyday.... Is anyone else having this problem? > > There was a rush of digests (actually mail deliver error messages) on > the list last weekend. Are these what you are referring to? I can't see > that you should have received other digests than these. Hmm. Well I got 2 digests (it says digest version # something) just this Wednesday. I'll let you know if they turn up again. Thanks. Shan > > > Joar > > -- > > Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College > Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y > Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ > Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html > > -- **********************************************************************|PET | Won't You Teach Me How To Love And Learn? There'll Be Nothing Left For|SHOP| Me To Yearn:C()R()N/\ Je Veux Aller Au Bout De Mes Fantasmes:Mea Culpa|BOYS| **********************************************************************|RULE| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:25:38 +1100 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: What's up with RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi ! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi. > > Is everyone else getting repeated "RCPT: Hi ! Hi ! Hi !" messages from the > > following subscribers ? > > > YES!!! and it's extremely annoying.... Gavin/Joar, could you guys please look > into this? Also, even though I am not subscribed to the Digest version, I > always get a copy (or two) everyday.... Is anyone else having this problem? The problem affected everyone. When you use certain mailing programs, they have receipt options which send out a receipt like we've all seen when a message arrives. If someone does not have this turned off and is subscribed to a mailing list, the result is what we saw. The problem has now been fixed up with the person involved notified and some slight changes to the mailing list program which should filter them out. Sorry for the troubles....just another joy of Internet! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:35:36 -0700 (MST) From: Charles Wertz Subject: Will? What's that? To: enigma list As I was reading the Deep Forest FAQ the other day, I saw mention of a group called Will. Does anybody have any of their albums? What exactly are they like? Any information would be greatly appreciated.... Thanx in advance, Charlie cwertz@cc.dixie.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 95 13:12:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: WILL? WHAT'S THAT? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au CW> group called Will. Does anybody have any of their albums? What exactl CW> are they like? Any information would be greatly appreciated.... Will is Front Line Assembly/Delerium/Intermix. * RM 1.3 02178 * 'together we will lead the world.' American astronaut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 19:49:03 +1100 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: WILL? WHAT'S THAT? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy. > CW> group called Will. Does anybody have any of their albums? What exactl > CW> are they like? Any information would be greatly appreciated.... > > Will is Front Line Assembly/Delerium/Intermix. Actually Will is only PART of the above groups..... He met with other artists to do the albums. I haven't heard any of Will's work, but it is rumoured a new album is coming out soon. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 07:08:16 -0600 From: "John H. Ruszkowski" Subject: Will? What's that? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au What is the address for Deep Forest? -- Begin original message -- > From: Charles Wertz > Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:35:36 -0700 (MST) > Subject: Will? What's that? > To: enigma list > Reply-To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > As I was reading the Deep Forest FAQ the other day, I saw mention of a > group called Will. Does anybody have any of their albums? What exactly > are they like? Any information would be greatly appreciated.... > > Thanx in advance, > Charlie cwertz@cc.dixie.edu > > -- End original message -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 10:28:33 -0500 (EST) From: Thong Huu Le Subject: Will? What's that? To: ENIGMA Distribution List The Deep Forest FAQ is at http://www.best.com/~quad/deep.forest/DeepForest-FAQ.txt There are more info on Deep Forest if you go through Enigma's page on the Web. Enigma's address is http//www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html Go to the section about music similar to Enigma and you'll see Deep Forest. Hope you'll enjoy it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:17:22 +1000 From: donerb@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Don Richards-Boeff) Subject: Worthwhile editions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >MCMXC a.D. "Limited" Edition w/ four additional mixes, pressed in England. >Cross of Changes "Limited" 24k gold Edition w/ three additional mixes, >pressed in Austrailia. >>I have found one of the MCMXC a.D. Limited Editions. You can telnet to >>cdeurope.com and search through their database. They specialize in hard- >>to-find imports. John, I frequent CDNow and several other major online music stores. Their prices are comparable to my local prices in addition to S&H charges. Plus, my girlfriend gets 30% off on all purchases at Blockbuster Music b/c she is an employee. So, that makes the $27 titles above, $19 ea. and the singles $7 ea. All in all, I suppose those aren't bad prices ;D >>If you can get Principles of Lust, Rivers of Belief, or The Eyes of Truth I >>would be willing to get them also. They are almost impossible to get so that if >>you find them, don't hesitste. Just buy them. All of those titles are available in abundance at Blockbuster Music. Three copies each of PofL and TEoT alone. Funny, the import section is AWFUL except for the inclusion of a very few good artists that would be in obvious demand (STP, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, tons of Enigma... and then there are the really bad titles, like ABBA, Pet Shop Boys, etc.). Oh, on an entirely different note... I listened to a Cretu release from 1985. I don't remember the title. Awful. Enigma is a *WORLD* apart :D -Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:31:32 +1000 From: donerb@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Don Richards-Boeff) Subject: Worthwhile editions... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just wondering if anyone had personal listening experience with either of the following limited editions: MCMXC a.D. "Limited" Edition w/ four additional mixes, pressed in England. Cross of Changes "Limited" 24k gold Edition w/ three additional mixes, pressed in Austrailia. Both retail for around US$27 in the States. Also, any suggestions as to the best mix discs from the plethora that have been released? Just in the chintzy import selection that Blockbuster Music has, I counted ten different single releases alone. At $10 a pop, I'd be hard pressed to purchase the above and the singles as well... Suggestions appreciated (but, then, I suppose it all comes down to what you like in your Enigma, eh?) Don Oh yeah, never did my "homework" but the only discs of Enigma I own are the two LP releases. I'm hankering to purchase the Limiteds mentioned above, as well as a few choice singles. Another quick ?: Is the discography in the FAQ all-inclusive? Any omissions perhaps? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Hedgecock Subject: Worthwhile editions... To: ENIGMA Distribution List I have found one of the MCMXC a.D. Limited Editions. You can telnet to cdeurope.com and search through their database. They specialize in hard- to-find imports. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:02:28 -0600 From: "John H. Ruszkowski" Subject: Worthwhile editions... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au If you can get Principles of Lust, Rivers of Belief, or The Eyes of Truth I would be willing to get them also. They are almost impossible to get so that if you find them, don't hesitste. Just buy them. John -- Begin original message -- > From: donerb@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu (Don Richards-Boeff) > Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:31:32 +1000 > Subject: Worthwhile editions... > To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Reply-To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > Just wondering if anyone had personal listening experience with either > of the following limited editions: > > MCMXC a.D. "Limited" Edition w/ four additional mixes, pressed in England. > Cross of Changes "Limited" 24k gold Edition w/ three additional mixes, > pressed in Austrailia. > > Both retail for around US$27 in the States. > > Also, any suggestions as to the best mix discs from the plethora that have > been released? Just in the chintzy import selection that Blockbuster Music > has, I counted ten different single releases alone. At $10 a pop, I'd be > hard pressed to purchase the above and the singles as well... Suggestions > appreciated (but, then, I suppose it all comes down to what you like in your > Enigma, eh?) > > Don > > Oh yeah, never did my "homework" but the only discs of Enigma I own are > the two LP releases. I'm hankering to purchase the Limiteds mentioned > above, as well as a few choice singles. > > Another quick ?: Is the discography in the FAQ all-inclusive? Any omissions > perhaps? > > > -- End original message -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 21:01:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: schulz Subject: YANM To: Enigma-Mailing-List Hi there, yup, this is one more Yet Another New Member Mail. I got to know about this list before some days by a friend of mine and because I like Michael Cretu and of course all his related works like Enigma I decided to join the list. I know Michael Cretu since his single "Samurai", which I heard in that german thriller-series "Tatort" with the title "Samurai" (just hope I remember that correct ;o). So I started to buy his Albums. I can proudly tell to own all Albums he made on his own, and also the one he did with Tissy Thiers (CaT). In detail: Michael Cretu: - Legionaere (LP) - Moon, Light and Flowers (LP) - Samurai (Maxi) - Die chinesische Mauer (LP) - The invisible Man (LP) - Gambit (Maxi) CaT: - School's out (Maxi) - Belle Epoque (LP) So, if anyone knows an Album I missed, please tell me :o) I also like some "Cretu-related" stuff. That is Sandra, his wife, he writes the music for. He did some for Hubert Kah, after Kah's "New German Wave"-Time, I like. With Tissy Thiers and Curt Cress he worked on Moti-Special, quite nice too. Curt Cress, a well known drummer in germany, by the way released two LP on his own, which are quite interesting. Another drummer related to Michael Cretu is Dicky Tarrach. He did some percussion on Cretu-LPs I think. Using the Name Tarracco he published an own Album called Big Bang, where you can find some well known names related to Cretu-Productions, like Thiers for example. Of course I like his latest project Enigma quite a lot. A clever production in my opinion. (But I didn't follow the introducing instructions of MCMXC a.D. while driving, yet ;o) Hm, this was meant to be an introduction to myself, so now to the personal part: by now I am a Student at the University of Kaiserslautern in the domain Computer Science. I've been here for some years now, being in the age of 26 since February. I like to program my Amiga (no flames please, I really like that thing ;o) and composing little pieces. Besides Cretu I like Electronic/New Age-Style, like Jarre, Vangelis and some more unknown artists from the local area. I also like to draw a little, but most, I like my girl-friend of course ;o) For contacts you can write to my e-mail or try IRC, my nick is eau. Ok, that's it for now. Got quite long this... *sigh* Read ya Stefan --- Stefan Schulz // aminet-adm ftp.uni-kl.de \\ schulz@rhrk.uni-kl.de irc: eau \X/ http://galway.informatik.uni-kl.de/staff/schulz/home.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 1995 18:54:21 -0600 (CST) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: YAY!!! To: Enigma Listserver I just got the "Out From the Deep" Enigma single (the import from Europe--the CD was made in Holland) and am thoroughly enjoying it. The bass in the Rock version is nearly continuous and the frequencies are at the point where the speakers don't actually move that much, but you can really feel it. The Trance mix, I thought, was a surprise. It was almost a delve into the Techo genre, in my opinion. It also sounded a lot like a Deep Forest remix from the "Deep Forest" single. I mean, 168 beats per minute is rather fast for an Enigma song, so it was a shock. The only other remix of an Enigma song that I remember being that fast was the Enigmatic Club mix of Age of Innocence--I seem to have a bond between me and that particular remix. And finally, I thought the single gave a whole new life to the song itself. I haven't listened to the entire Enigma 2 album in such a LONG time--it was great when I heard the original Out From the Deep for the first time in months (literally). Not to say I didn't repeatedly listen to the remixes... :) Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************