Enigma Digest April 1995 Volume 2 : Issue 4 (4 msgs) Best of GREGORIAN CD??? (9 msgs) C&A? (2 msgs) Concert Concerts (2 msgs) Cretu-Discography Dead Can Dance (fwd) (3 msgs) Deep Forest info Enigma-digest V1 #8 (3 msgs) Enigma-type music (fwd) Enigma 2 (7 msgs) Enigma loud (and live) EXCLUSIVE! Cretu ans˙˙˙˙˙ EXCLUSIVE! Cretu answers our questions.... (2 msgs) EXCLUSIVE! Cretu answers our questions.... (cool) Gender Stereotyping & New Subscriber Green Radio Promo Green Radio Promo! (2 msgs) Greetings Gregorian Gregorian/Enigma Gregorian stuff (3 msgs) Homework: Newbie. Hubert KaH & Sandra discographies updates (6 msgs) IMPORTANT: Revised new instructions Indian Spirits (2 msgs) Introductions... Jennifer Monday, possibly Cretu production? list idea Mailing list change-over More Musical Threads More Musical Threads - Deep Forest (3 msgs) My homework Newbie Newbie (fwd) (2 msgs) New Deep Forest New Hubert Kah single? New Subscriber... Nights In White Satin (2 msgs) Nights in White Satin? Non US Releases (3 msgs) Passion! (2 msgs) ReRe: Newbie (fwd) Rumi the sufi Sadness Part I Sandra: Nights In White Satin Sandra Greatest Hits for Sale Singles stuff Thank you thank you... (2 msgs) Thank you thank you...iHi (2 msgs) The Exclusive... (2 msgs) What about... (2 msgs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Apr 1995 19:40:01 -0400 From: sch121@psu.edu Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone. My name is Shane Hartman. I will turn 22 tomorrow, Apr. 3rd. My Enigma collection includes only various singles at the moment which include Sadness Part I, Age of Loneliness, and Return to Innocence - my personal favorite. Other artists I enjoy include Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, New Order, Vangelis, Henry Mancini, and ABBA. I first heard Enigma 5 years ago as a senior at Bloomsburg High School, Pa. I am currently a senior studying veterinarian sciences at Penn State Univ. I am looking forward to collecting past and future Enigma albums. Thanks for listening. Shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 22:43:58 CDT From: borgmanb@simon.wustl.edu Subject: To: "enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au"@wugate.wustl.edu As requested in my introductory message, I am hereby introducing myself: My name is Brad Borgman and I am from the great state of Iowa, USA. I am 19 years old and I attend Washington University in St. Louis. I own both Enigma CD's and 3 singles; sadeness, return to innocence, and age of loniliness as well as the sliver soundtrack. I would definitely consider myself an avid, although uninformed, fan. I first heard Enigma through sadeness on the radio. I only caught the last minute but I liked what i heard and I bought the single. 1991. My other musical tastes are many, ranging from Alice in Chains to Wagner, but I would have to say Pink Floyd, Sting, and The Cure rate the highest. End of introduction. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:34:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Martorano Subject: To: Enigma Mailing List Wassup all, Just wanted to introduce myself....My name is Jeremy Martorano. I'm a Communications major with a minor in theatre and lighting design. I'm also a part time DJ. oh yeah and I'm 20. My collection isn't that extensive unfortunatly. I have Enigma 1 and 2 on CD, and the CD singles for Return to Innocence and Age of Loneliness. All US releases. I remember Enigma way back in the day, when I was in middle school I think , I heard it on the radio. Then I didn't hear it until about 4 years ago and I have been wanting to get more. I know that y'all talk about other music too and I love Deep Forest also. I have the full CD and the CD single for "Deep Forest" and "Sweet Lullaby" and the pret a porter sdtrk. Well that's about it for now. Also I have to give props to this list. The info so far has been awesome. check ya later No Limits.........................jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:53:39 +1000 From: MDEINER@psuhmc.hmc.psu.edu Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au s, and Bob Marley. Michael Dein er WOMichael Deiner Subject: glad 2 B hear! To: ENIGMA@YOYO.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU Here is my first Enigma (home-work) assignment! I am my fathers son that was bo rn 30 years ago. I was given the name Michael by Mr. and Mrs. Deiner, born and grazed in south central Pennsylvania, USA. I am a computer graphics artist for a Medical University in Pennsylvania. My Enigma collection only consists of the two major releases. How I was introduced to them is a strange story. Driving h ome from work one rainy night, cruising to some David Sanborn on my tape deck, I noticed an older chap (approx. 60yrs. old) walking on a country road that I w as traveling. I stopped and offered him a ride. He enjoyed my music selection a nd asked me if I have ever heard of Enigma. He opened his back pack, handed me the tape and I plugged it in. It was love at first note. The music somehow made us stop VERBALLY communicating, and just enjoy the rainy drive. We got to his destination. He said thanks for the ride and got out. I leaned over to return h ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 11:27:46 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Paul. > Looking at my Sadisfaction CD, it was copyrighted in 1991, not in > the late '80s, so that would mean it came out one year after Enigma's CD. > Also, in the part where Gregorian thanks everyone, they have at the end > "and especially Sandra and Michael". Well this clears a lot of things up! Now it's just a question of who had the original idea (Peterson or Cretu, Gregorian or Enigma?). > > > others in the album. One thing I noticed was the "So Sad" > > > and "Sadeness" connection. Someone can easily say, "Hey this > > > sounds just like Enigma" or vice versa. > > Maybe Peterson got pissed at Cretu after they broke up and > decided to make a gregorian style cd. Just a suggestion :) Now this is a possibility! Peterson/F. Gregorian has never been credited on any CD after MCMXC a.D. that Enigma or Sandra have done...... > > Just as you can now link a Fading Shades Mix to the title of Sandra's new > > album! :) > > can someone tell me more about the correlation please? One of the remixes to Enigma's "Mea Culpa" was called the Fading Shades Mix. > Well, i hope i shedded some light on the topic!! You definitely did... thanks. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 14:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Sun, 2 Apr 1995, Enigmatic wrote: > Hi Paul. > > > Looking at my Sadisfaction CD, it was copyrighted in 1991, not in > > the late '80s, so that would mean it came out one year after Enigma's CD. > > Also, in the part where Gregorian thanks everyone, they have at the end > > "and especially Sandra and Michael". ---snip--- > > > > others in the album. One thing I noticed was the "So Sad" > > > > and "Sadeness" connection. Someone can easily say, "Hey this > > > > sounds just like Enigma" or vice versa. > > > > Maybe Peterson got pissed at Cretu after they broke up and > > decided to make a gregorian style cd. Just a suggestion :) > > Now this is a possibility! Peterson/F. Gregorian has never been credited on > any CD after MCMXC a.D. that Enigma or Sandra have done...... If they got pissed off at each other, why did Gregorian thank Sandra and Michael as written in the album liner? Could Peterson and Gregorian be taunting them? :) > Gavin Stok > (Enigma Mailing List President) > > gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > -Alex de Dios ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:49:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > > Maybe Peterson got pissed at Cretu after they broke up and > > > decided to make a gregorian style cd. Just a suggestion :) > > > > Now this is a possibility! Peterson/F. Gregorian has never been credited on > > any CD after MCMXC a.D. that Enigma or Sandra have done...... > > If they got pissed off at each other, why did Gregorian thank Sandra and > Michael as written in the album liner? Could Peterson and Gregorian be > taunting them? :) Ok, maybe peterson didn't get pissed at cretu. I think peterson may have decided to go his own way and make his own music. No hard feelings between the two. I'd say after Enigma I came out, they split and he wanted to make his own gregorian style cd (who knows? maybe they both came up with the idea and he wanted to expand). Peterson wrote songs for another chick in 1993 (damn good CD i might add, i give it a 10). But about the thank you to sandra and michael, that was Gregorian the group thanking them, not F.gregorian/peterson. Unless peterson is actually part of Gregorian, which i don't think so. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 14:28:18 PDT From: "Bret A. Boggs" Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List > Ok, maybe peterson didn't get pissed at cretu. I think peterson >may have decided to go his own way and make his own music. No hard >feelings between the two. I'd say after Enigma I came out, they split and >he wanted to make his own gregorian style cd (who knows? maybe they both >came up with the idea and he wanted to expand). Peterson wrote songs for >another chick in 1993 (damn good CD i might add, i give it a 10). > But about the thank you to sandra and michael, that was Gregorian >the group thanking them, not F.gregorian/peterson. Unless peterson is >actually part of Gregorian, which i don't think so. > > > -Paul Nguyen > st8av@bayou.uh.edu Who was the other "chick" Bret bboggs@dnaco.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 16:05:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Valeng Cha Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Peterson wrote songs for another chick in 1993 (damn good CD i might > add, i give it a 10). Sara Brightman? Sisters of Oz? > But about the thank you to sandra and michael, that was Gregorian > the group thanking them, not F.gregorian/peterson. Unless peterson is > actually part of Gregorian, which i don't think so. I think you're wrong. I think F. Peterson IS a big part of Gregorian. But someone correct me if I'M wrong, which I don't think so. Valeng Cha cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 17:22:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > Peterson wrote songs for another chick in 1993 (damn good CD i might > > add, i give it a 10). > > Sara Brightman? Sisters of Oz? > > > But about the thank you to sandra and michael, that was Gregorian > > the group thanking them, not F.gregorian/peterson. Unless peterson is > > actually part of Gregorian, which i don't think so. > > I think you're wrong. I think F. Peterson IS a big part of Gregorian. > But someone correct me if I'M wrong, which I don't think so. Here's what i'm saying. It's kinda like Peterson writing songs for Sarah Brightman (the chick) and Sarah thanking everybody on her CD. Now, it's not Peterson doing the thanking. Just like Gregorian thanking people instead of Peterson. Get it? -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 17:38:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Valeng Cha Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Here's what i'm saying. It's kinda like Peterson writing songs > for Sarah Brightman (the chick) and Sarah thanking everybody on her CD. > Now, it's not Peterson doing the thanking. Just like Gregorian thanking > people instead of Peterson. Get it? That's because it's Sara Brightman's Album, not F. Peterson...regardless of who wrote the songs. If I were to go look for the album at a store, I look it under Sara Brightman, not F. Peterson. Now, on the other hand, if Peterson wanted to make a compilation of his stuff (his and those he write for), than he can take Brightman's songs and say it's his...and then maybe thank her for singing the song. For example, Babyface wrote that one song for Modonna. It's Modonna's song, not Babyface's. Modonna thanks Babyface for in a sense writing the song for her. I know it sucks that this is so, but that's how it goes. Later... Valeng cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 18:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Wed, 5 Apr 1995, Paul Nguyen wrote: > > If they got pissed off at each other, why did Gregorian thank Sandra and > > Michael as written in the album liner? Could Peterson and Gregorian be > > taunting them? :) > > Ok, maybe peterson didn't get pissed at cretu. I think peterson > may have decided to go his own way and make his own music. No hard > feelings between the two. I'd say after Enigma I came out, they split and > he wanted to make his own gregorian style cd (who knows? maybe they both > came up with the idea and he wanted to expand). Peterson wrote songs for > another chick in 1993 (damn good CD i might add, i give it a 10). Which CD is this? Sarah Brightman's Dive album? > But about the thank you to sandra and michael, that was Gregorian > the group thanking them, not F.gregorian/peterson. Unless peterson is > actually part of Gregorian, which i don't think so. > > -Paul Nguyen > st8av@bayou.uh.edu Right, I see. Chances are they split and went their own ways. Gregorian has a slightly more pop feel to it although it still has some original tracks like "A quiet self". -Alex. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 18:30:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Best of GREGORIAN CD??? To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > Here's what i'm saying. It's kinda like Peterson writing songs > > for Sarah Brightman (the chick) and Sarah thanking everybody on her CD. > > Now, it's not Peterson doing the thanking. Just like Gregorian thanking > > people instead of Peterson. Get it? > > That's because it's Sara Brightman's Album, not > F. Peterson...regardless of who wrote the songs. If I were to go look > for the album at a store, I look it under Sara Brightman, not > F. Peterson. Now, on the other hand, if Peterson wanted to make a > compilation of his stuff (his and those he write for), than he can > take Brightman's songs and say it's his...and then maybe thank her for > singing the song. For example, Babyface wrote that one song for > Modonna. It's Modonna's song, not Babyface's. Modonna thanks > Babyface for in a sense writing the song for her. I know it sucks > that this is so, but that's how it goes. uhhh...i don't think you got what i meant. You have on one side peterson and on the other sarah. if i wanted the album, sure i'd look under Brightman. now, let's say you replace sarah with Gregorian. you'd have peterson on one side writing the songs and gregorian on the other singing or chanting or whatever they do. So if i wanted their CD, sure i'd look under Gregorian, not peterson. i'm under the impression that peterson just writes songs for Gregorian. you think that he IS gregorian or a part of the group. i don't know which one of us is right. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 20:40:47 MET-0100 From: "PaShu" Subject: C&A? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Alexander! > > Indian Spirits > > ANDI SLAVIK & SUSANNE KEMMLER > > > > The only thing I know is that this one has been played on MTV as the > > background to some stupid advertisement... > > > > Pavel. > The commercial was from clothing company C&A (I think the German branch). > Maybe there's a chance they can help you. > > Alexander Lint Have you got any concrete idea about the way they can help me? Do you think I would write them a letter with such a question? O.K., but it would'n have to take the right effect, haha. Maybe it would be better to wear their clothing and shout 'C&A is the best company all over the world!', and after several years they would find the time to answer :-). BTW, let me know please, who is Hubert Kemmler (if this doesn't belong to this list, I apologise to everyone) or how did you came on him? Thanks a lot. Pavel. 'Woman is the best friend of the people :-)' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:43:27 +0200 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: C&A? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 11 Apr 1995, PaShu wrote: > Hello Alexander! > > > > Indian Spirits > > > ANDI SLAVIK & SUSANNE KEMMLER > > > > > > The only thing I know is that this one has been played on MTV as the > > > background to some stupid advertisement... > > > > > > Pavel. > > > The commercial was from clothing company C&A (I think the German branch). > > Maybe there's a chance they can help you. > > > > Alexander Lint > > Have you got any concrete idea about the way they can help me? Do you > think I would write them a letter with such a question? O.K., but it > would'n have to take the right effect, haha. Maybe it would be > better to wear their clothing and shout 'C&A is the best company all > over the world!', and after several years they would find the > time to answer :-). Sorry, I haven't got any concrete idea about it, but the only other thing I can think of is to look on the CD, and check out which record company originally released the song, and then write to them. If you really want to find out about them, you could at least try. I mean no alternatives so far..... > BTW, let me know please, who is Hubert Kemmler (if this doesn't > belong to this list, I apologise to everyone) or how did you came on > him? He was part of Hubert KaH, and also cowrote a lot of songs on Sandra's first four albums. > Thanks a lot. > Pavel. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:33:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: Concert To: Enigma Listserver I think that a good example of seamless transition between studio-only recording and live concerts is Trent Reznor and his Nine Inch Nails. Granted, most of his music is so noisy that a live concert doesn't really diminish the feel of his music, but that's not to say that Enigma could not get creative with their live preformance. As I see it, I think this is an excellent opportunity for: 1) Enigma to get loud--live concerts should always be extremely loud, and I think that loud Enigma envelops one much better that quieter Enigma does. 2) Enigma to do some stuff never before attempted on a stage. Wierd props, effects, and the like can only add to the excitement. 3) Enigma to do some cool mixes of the songs--I envision a *chorus* of people singing Return to Innocence, and actually have the chorus split into different melodies and combining to form a kickass harmony. Multiple people singing Age of Lonliness. What I would REALLY like is to hear the Enigmatic Club mix of Age of Lonliness and the Rock version of Out from the Deep (with Jens Gad playing the guitar live, of course!). I don't know how Enigma will do a live performance. I just want to make sure I'm there to see it in person! Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 95 16:51:13 BST From: dm Bradley Subject: Concerts To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) Anyone know if there are plans for Enigma or Deep Forest to tour the U.K.? Dave B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Apr 1995 21:13:00 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Concerts To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy Dave. > Anyone know if there are plans for Enigma or Deep Forest to tour the U.K.? None planned that I've been told about. I wouldn't expect either to tour until at least next year if you're lucky. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 12:13:57 +0200 (MET DST) From: schulz Subject: Cretu-Discography To: Enigma-Mailing-List Hi, as I saw in the discography about Michael Cretu, the Album Moon, Light and Flower is not well known. For those who are interrested I want to post this here. I just own the LP, don't know if there is any CD out though. I also wrote down the two Singles Cretu and Thiers released. Hope this is of any interest :o) Greetings Stefan Michael Cretu: Moon, Light and Flower Released 1979 LP: Europe (Polydor International 827 834-1) Side A: 4:29 '57 (The Year I Was Born) 4:15 Fire and Rain 4:35 Wild River 3:54 Shadows Over My Head 3:59 Love Me Side B: 3:41 Moonlight Flower 5:05 Sparks Of Imagination 3:56 Streets Of Time 6:30 Song For Unknown Heroes All Songs composed by Michael Cretu and Dylan Cross. Except of "Shadows Over My Head" by Michael Cretu. [Produced by Michael Cretu and Michael Th. Omilian] Musicians: Michael Cretu: Vocals and Keyboards Dicky Tarrach: Drums, Percussion Ken Taylor: Bass Brad Howell: Percussion Johann Daansen: 12-String Guitar Bessy Besser: Guitar-Synth, Bass Bernd "Konya": Percussion Note: "Shadows Over My Head" is the same as later released on an album by Sandra (Think it was "Close To Seven") Cretu and Thiers: School's Out Released 1987 12": Europe (Virgin 608 853-213) 6:02 School's Out (extended Version) (Cooper/Furnier/Bruce) 3:57 Collage (Cretu/Thiers) [Produced by Michael Cretu] Notes: "Collage" is an instrumental piece. It later appeared on the Album "Belle Epoque" as "Snowing Under My Skin". This Single was meant to be a release of the Album "Introducing", which was never released. When Love Is The Missing Word Released 1987 12": Europe (Virgin 609 448-213) 5:32 When Love Is The Missing Word (extended) 3:57 When Love Is The Missing Word (instrumental) 4:00 When Love Is The Missing Word (single) Music by Thiers. Lyrics by Thiers and Hirschburger. [Produced by Michael Cretu] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 21:59:13 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Dead Can Dance (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:35:19 +0000 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au From: Matthew.S.Jeffers@williams.edu (Matt Jeffers) Subject: Dead Can Dance Hey can someone tell me about Dead Can Dance? I bought one of their discs 'cos it said they were like Enigma on the homepage, but I haven't listened to it. Is it worth opening up or taking back to the store? And tell me about Deep Forest while you're at it... MSJ Williamstown Massachusetts USA 01267-2569 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 09:33:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: Dead Can Dance (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au And tell me > about Deep Forest while you're at it... > MSJ Williamstown Massachusetts USA 01267-2569 > I wouldn't know about Dead Can Dance, but I DO like Deep Forest. I've heard their debut album and thought it was pretty cool. I own the Deep Forest and Sweet Lullaby singles, and enjoy them both thouroughly. If you get the Sweet Lullaby album, just remember: Track 5 really IS supposed to be a remix of Sweet Lullaby! ZOWIE! Cody(judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:10:38 -0500 From: mmurcia@students.wisc.edu (Milagros Murcia) Subject: Dead Can Dance (fwd) To: ENIGMA Distribution List >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 14:35:19 +0000 >To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >From: Matthew.S.Jeffers@williams.edu (Matt Jeffers) >Subject: Dead Can Dance > >Hey can someone tell me about Dead Can Dance? I bought one of their discs >'cos it said they were like Enigma on the homepage, but I haven't listened >to it. Is it worth opening up or taking back to the store? And tell me >about Deep Forest while you're at it... >MSJ Williamstown Massachusetts USA 01267-2569 > > Dead Can Dance is DEFINITELY worth opening up, especially if you like Enigma. However, they are slightly different in that they take English folksongs, Welsh songs, Celtic folksongs, and sometimes even Gregorian chant, and tend to revive it by ... well, it's kind of hard to explain. But the result is absolutely haunting, especially with Lisa's (main singer) voice. She once said in an interview that when she sang, it's as if an ancient, powerful force moved through her and into her song, giving it a very spiritual and ancestral quality. My first experience with Dead Can Dance was by going to a concert in New York City, without ever hearing of them before or even buying a CD. Try and get to a concert if you can. The experience will be like nothing you've never seen before. Deep Forest? A French production which took song of the African Pygmies and set it to modern techno dance music. A great CD, very moving. Well, that's it in a nutshell. Hope that quells any shadow of a doubt you may have had. Open the package....try it out... Milagros ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:03:53 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Deep Forest info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here's a piece of info which should prove intriguing to Don Gray and other Deep Forest fans. The Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang (VG) reports on April 5 that Eric Mouquet and Michel Sanchez, as Deep Forest, are coming to Oslo on May 5 - for a live concert! They will play at Sentrum Scene, one of the leading venues in Oslo. This should be their first live appearance, and it could turn out very interesting. Now where does this put Enigma playing live?? :) On another issue, in case it hasn't been mentioned, Eric Mouquet and one Guillaime something is out with the Dao Dezi album called 'World Mix' - yes, that's the title. Dao Dezi puts traditional music from Bretagne, France to "modern beats". Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 14:15:43 EDT From: schaffet@ucsub.colorado.edu (Eric T. Schaffner) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #8 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Wed, 19 Apr 1995, Judge Cody Kirkwood wrote: > Also, I am ALREADY planning to attend the concert--for the past >three months, I have been dreaming about seeing Enigma in concert, and >now my prayers have been answered by Mr. Cretu! I realize that the >concert will probably be held in Europe somewhere, but I am prepared (I >hope) to pay for a plane ticket over there and also to pay out the ass >for a concert ticket. I *want* to see them live. Does anyone else share >this desperate sentiment, or am I the only one that has dreamed this? Don't crucify me for saying this just yet, but... I can't imagine how Cretu can make a decent live preformance out of his last two Enigma records because Enigma's music is SPECIFICALLY written and arranged for studio recording. I would think that if he rearranged it for a live show, it would lose so much of what makes it special. All of the time and care mixing and treating the music can't be used (at least not effectively) during live preformance. On the other hand, if he played back lots of taped sections and samples, etc... during the show to give the songs the Enigma 'feel', any live preformance would be weak, to say the least. In short, I just can't imagine how he could orchestrate anything on stage to match or even exceed what he has recorded on the Enigma albums. What are all of your opinions about this? -Eric ------Eric T. Schaffner------MCD Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder------ Mail: schaffet@Colorado.EDU WWW: http://ucsub.Colorado.EDU/~schaffet/Home.html "Reeking of cheap whiskey, he roams indoor shopping malls wearing only two crude hand puppets named 'Ted' and 'Moist'" --Hans Bjordahl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:00:49 -0600 (CDT) From: Giles Christie Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #8 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > On Wed, 19 Apr 1995, Judge Cody Kirkwood > wrote: > > Don't crucify me for saying this just yet, but... > > I can't imagine how Cretu can make a decent live preformance out of > his last two Enigma records because Enigma's music is SPECIFICALLY > written and arranged for studio recording. > Well, I offer as a possibility Mike Oldfield. I mean, his whole original "gimmick", if you will, was that he was this studio wizard who played all the instruments and recorded them all to make one piece of music... yet HE gives live performances. I've never seen one, but from what I've heard/ read he primarily plays guitar and then moves about to other instruments occasionally... The point to all this is that while a lot of Cretu's stuff would be synth, he could drag a bunch of monks up on stage.... maybe a live drummer... I have no idea. But it could happen. And hopefully, it will happen on video as well as live because I'm sure as hell not going to get to see it. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:33:42 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #8 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Eric. > I can't imagine how Cretu can make a decent live preformance out of > his last two Enigma records because Enigma's music is SPECIFICALLY > written and arranged for studio recording. I have to agree with you there Eric.... Michael seems to me to be a perfectionist who fiddles with samples and mixing until it is just right (take his decision to change I Love You... I'll Kill You for example... it's a subtle difference in the new mix but one he felt strongly enough to have all new CDs with this new mix). Consequently, the idea of spontaneously creating music in a live setting may be something he is uncomfortable with. Worse still, his music may end up sounding too close to the original album versions (as is how I feel it has been with many electronic artists such as Jean Michel Jarre). > I would think that if he rearranged it for a live show, it would lose > so much of what makes it special. All of the time and care mixing and > treating the music can't be used (at least not effectively) during > live preformance. On the other hand, if he played back lots of taped > sections and samples, etc... during the show to give the songs the > Enigma 'feel', any live preformance would be weak, to say the least. But let's look on the other hand - if Michael was to do it on a 'grand' scale as he plans, then based on his past 2 albums he could quite easily use a choir to sing Gregorian chants, sing the 'ahh's and other voice-like samples throughout the albums, and of course that great bombastic choir part from 'The Eyes of Truth'! Can't you just see yourself being eneveloped by a 100 strong choir together with Michael's deep electronic sounds surrounding your body at a volume louder than your stereo could provide??? With everything done right, something magical can be done by an electronic artist. Unfortunately, however, I have yet to hear of or see an example of this (and if anyone wishes to prove me wrong, feel free to send the video!). > In short, I just can't imagine how he could orchestrate anything on > stage to match or even exceed what he has recorded on the Enigma > albums. What are all of your opinions about this? I have always believed that a studio album and a live concert are 2 distinctly different things. For me, Pink Floyd are the masters. Listen to their original albums, listen to "Delicate Sound of Thunder" and then dare tell me that the songs are the same as on the album. Moreso, watch the video and tell me that they don't make a concert something special and magical. Pink Floyd make a concert a concert and to this day one of my biggest wishes is to see them live (yes, they never came down to Australia for their "Division Bell" tour!) In summary, Enigma has the potential to make a concert a concert. BUT it will involve a lot of preparation, a lot of originality, and a lot of investment in terms of time, money, and expertise from Michael's part. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:45:35 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Enigma-type music (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Forwarded message: > > I was wondering...How much of Patrick O'Hearn's 'Indigo' is > similar to Enigma's music? And, what about the songs from '1492' > other than 'Pinta, Nina, Santa Maria (Into Eternity)' and 'Conquest > of Paradise?' > > Francis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 01:02:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: Enigma 2 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey--I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that there are two different printings of the exact same CD of Enigma 2. The one I just got does not have the ring of reflective material around the outside--it's completely covered witht the design. Is this a first printing or something? The songs are exactly the same and the CD is exactly the same length, so I think it was just an experimental printing of it or something. Anyone else notice this? Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 15:36:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Summers Subject: Enigma 2 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sat, 22 Apr 1995, Judge Cody Kirkwood wrote: > Hey--I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that there are > two different printings of the exact same CD of Enigma 2. > The one I just got does not have the ring of reflective material > around the outside--it's completely covered witht the design. Is this a > first printing or something? The songs are exactly the same and the CD > is exactly the same length, so I think it was just an experimental > printing of it or something. > Anyone else notice this? > > Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) I noticed this too. My roommate got the CD shortly after it came out, and his CD has black artwork all the way to the CD edge, where as mine, which I bought this past summer, has a silver edge around the outside. Personally, I like the look of his better, but it's the sound of the music that made me buy the CD, not it's design. l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 18:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Dinh Le Subject: Enigma 2 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I noticed this too. My roommate got the CD shortly after it came out, > and his CD has black artwork all the way to the CD edge, where as mine, > which I bought this past summer, has a silver edge around the outside. > Personally, I like the look of his better, but it's the sound of the > music that made me buy the CD, not it's design. > > l8rz... > Drewmeister > > Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 > "Reality will never be the same." > > Wait, is the newer cover the one with the different version of "I Love you... I'll Kill you?" And if not then how do I spot the Version with tha remixed song? Thanx Dinh LE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 21:41:56 CDT From: Jim English Subject: Enigma 2 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > On Sat, 22 Apr 1995, Judge Cody Kirkwood wrote: > > > Hey--I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that there are > > two different printings of the exact same CD of Enigma 2. > > The one I just got does not have the ring of reflective material > > around the outside--it's completely covered witht the design. Is this a > > first printing or something? The songs are exactly the same and the CD > > is exactly the same length, so I think it was just an experimental > > printing of it or something. > > Anyone else notice this? > > > > Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) > > I noticed this too. My roommate got the CD shortly after it came out, > and his CD has black artwork all the way to the CD edge, where as mine, > which I bought this past summer, has a silver edge around the outside. > Personally, I like the look of his better, but it's the sound of the > music that made me buy the CD, not it's design. > just to add my bit: I bought it right when it was released, and mine has the silver edge around the outside. -jim > > -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "I don't care if it rains or freezes/As long as I've got my plastic jesus/ Sitting on the dashboard of my car." ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 08:35:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: Enigma 2 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > just to add my bit: I bought it right when it was released, and mine > has the silver edge around the outside. > -jim > Well, this is odd. I am REALLY interested in finding out what this really is now. Since it is not a new NOR an old printing, is it just a little special something that Cretu thought would be interesting or did the presses just screw up for a day or so? Cody ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 15:17:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Alex Summers Subject: Enigma 2 To: Dinh Le On Sat, 22 Apr 1995, Dinh Le wrote: > Wait, is the newer cover the one with the different version of "I Love > you... I'll Kill you?" And if not then how do I spot the Version with > tha remixed song? Thanx > > Dinh LE I hadn't paid attention to if there was a different version or not. I will listen to both at the same time (wonderful to have 2 CD players in one room, don't you think?) and see/listen if there are any differences. l8rz... Drewmeister Altered Dimensions2 MUSH: spruce.evansville.edu 6250 "Reality will never be the same." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:19:09 -0300 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Enigma 2 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, Judge Cody Kirkwood wrote: > > > > > just to add my bit: I bought it right when it was released, and mine > > has the silver edge around the outside. > > -jim > > > > Well, this is odd. I am REALLY interested in finding out what > this really is now. Since it is not a new NOR an old printing, is it > just a little special something that Cretu thought would be interesting > or did the presses just screw up for a day or so? > > Cody > I don't know much about this stuff, but my guess is, a different factory is likely to produce a slightly different product, to fit their equiptment. While the CD itself has to be exact, the printing can be off by a bit, to suit the gear. _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@cfn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 19:33:00 +0200 From: "Williams, Andrew" Subject: Enigma loud (and live) To: "'Enigma Mailing list'" Who needs to play Enigma loud? Have you never made love with Enigma playing in the background? Try that with it at 120db. Gets distracting! But as to the eventual live concert (isn't it amazing how excited we all are over what is still really a rumour!!), someone mentioned J-M Jare? Swatch (I live in Switzerland) organised a huge J-MJ concert in Zermatt. And it also turned up in London when I was living there. It used lasers, and the buildings as projection screens, and all sorts. Stunning. And whilst living in Belgium (real world traveller I am!) I saw the Pink Floyd concert. Never seen anything like it. Absolutely outstanding. The quality and strength of the sound, and the superlative light show. They use a lot of techno-tricks, and during the show they used quite a few bits of pre-recorded stuff. And videos, and lasers, and inflatable pigs. So it shows it can be done. Imagine the mountains echoing to the 'sound of Enigma'. And the sky cut through with light? "The Hills Are Alive to The Sound of Cretu". Yes please!! By the way, for those attracted to Enigma for the atmospherics of some tracks, don't forget things like Pink Floyd's 'Pillar of Winds', from years back (on the album 'Meddle'). And their current album has some gorgeous bits of 'instrumental'. Check it out. You can find this stuff in the most unlikely places. Enigma weren't the first, although without any doubt in my mind they have turned many many people onto a new way of looking and listening. And feeling. Oh yes. As a father of twins (YUP, I'm THAT old!) I can say a couple of things from experience to Sandra. The first is that having twins is not twice a hard as a single, it's four times as hard ie. the square of two! But the effort in the early years pays off. Now - as early teenagers - they are half the effort as they look out for each other. And in my case I have an extra joy. They both share my love of music (my son especially) and they both like Enigma (although it took a while - it's much more difficult for that age to get absorbed by the emotion of Enigma than by the rawness of REM, Kurt Cobane, etc). So, .. .. CONGRATULATIONS. (I wonder if they played Enigma in the background too?) Andy W PS. Why is it that most -all? - of those writing to the Enigma list are male? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 18:33:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: EXCLUSIVE! Cretu ans˙˙˙˙˙ To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au RB> Congradulations to Sandra, hopefully the stress RB> of childbirth won't hurt her musical ability. it will do her no harm Don * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:24:03 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: EXCLUSIVE! Cretu answers our questions.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au It is with pleasure that I am now able to present you all with all those questions this list has wanted to ask Michael Cretu and his manager for some time (well most of them anyway!) for it was yesterday that I received a letter from Enigma's manager and Michael Cretu himself, both signed. So sit back, relax, take a deep breath, and learn much, much more! ** Summary of answers from Enigma's manager 1. Enigma, Michael Cretu, and Sandra have been managed by the same person for 10 years. He looks after all the contracts, all business worldwide, all promotion, all marketing decisions, and so on. 2. The weird release of "Out from the Deep" can be attributed to the various countries, each which have their own release plans. To quote: "we let them decide for themselves, for every label (the) manager knows which release date is best for his country. If the arguments are ok, we mostly agree." 3. A music video was made for Out from the Deep (as we already worked out) 4. Sadeness part 1 came about as a wordgame on "Marquis de Sade" and "Sadness". Some countries asked to go with the title "Sadness" instead of this idea though. 5. "MCMXC a.D - The Complete Video Album" was made with Virgin Video who manufactured the video in England for all countries. There will not be a complete video album for "The CROSS of Changes" 6. Believe it or not, nearly 1 million hologram editions of MCMXC a.D. were released in the world! (I personally find this hard to believe) 7. As of late March, Michael is working on a new Sandra album of which there is currently no track listing. Sandra is getting twins (!!) which is why there is no real release plan for the album. The album will be called "Fading Shades" and it's release will probably be in May (as we have since found out). 8. Sandra's first single "Nights in White Satin" is a cover version from the Moody Blues and was released in Germany around March 21, 1995. 9. Enigma 3 will probably be out in Autumn 1996. To quote: "Michael has some ideas, but we keep them secret." ** Summary of answers from Michael Cretu 1. Michael has plans to bring Enigma for one concert on stage. He wishes for it to be in a spectacular place and has some in mind. It may occur in 1996 or 1997, but for now they are just ideas. 2. When asked what music artists he particular likes, Michael only mentioned Jon Anderson. Asked whether he'd like to work with other artists he said that he had no time to do so: "I'm doing my own music ideas and that takes most of my time with Enigma, Sandra and Angel." 3. Michael Cretu is not associated with Vangelis or other similar artists in any way. 4. When asked whether he has ever considered changing his style of music, either as a side project or under another artist name, Michael said that he may one day do it and would probably do different music under a different name. He has no idea to do so in the near future though. I asked him which styles he might like to do, but he never answered. 5. When asked about the 2 different versions of "I Love You... I'll Kill You", Michael said that the new mix (with the line "You'll be fine") is simply another mix which he loved more than the first one after several listenings. It is for this reason that the albums changed. 6. Michael had no knowledge of the credits changing with later versions having less samples credited. 7. When asked about the images and religious overtones in his music and booklets, Cretu replied: "The symbols may look like this, but they are only illustrations for the music. I have no connection to (the) church (in) resp(ect) religious music. On 'The Cross....' you can find many ideas against the church, which killed people over hundreds of years in the name of God. Some overtones are inspired by Numerology." 8. When asked to give any information about Enigma 3 (samples, style, etc.) Michael only said that it's his secret and that nobody except himself knows of his ideas and concepts. 9. Michael claimed that he gives very few interviews because he is not a very good promotion man and prefers to be the "music man in the back". He only gives 7 to 10 days of promotion upon the release of an album and all this is arranged by management. 10.Michael has no problems with things like our mailing list, WWW site, FAQ, and so on but stressed that he has no times for interviews or supplying information "like I do it now for you.... If I start to answer all of them, I would never have any minute for the studio." 11.Michael didn't read the FAQ but looked over it and said he thinks most of it is OK. So there you have it! There's a wealth of information there, some of which we had worked out since I sent that letter on February 17, and some of which we didn't know (Sandra's twins, Enigma 3 in Autumn 1996, .....) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:21:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Ronald Birnbaum Subject: EXCLUSIVE! Cretu answers our questions.... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Bravo for the Cretu message ! Congradulations to Sandra, hopefully the stress of childbirth won't hurt her musical ability. - Ronnie Birnbaum New York City ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 12:54:09 CDT From: Jim English Subject: EXCLUSIVE! Cretu answers our questions.... (cool) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au hey, I must say that you have done an amazing job in making contacts and getting information. This truly is the list to be on for Enigma info and such. Also, if I may ask, I'm going to be switching accounts soon and could I get all the list server info again? I guess I'm ashamed to admit I deleted it...thanks. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "I don't care if it rains or freezes/As long as I've got my plastic jesus/ Sitting on the dashboard of my car." ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 16:34:46 +0100 (BST) From: "The Silver-Flag Boy" Subject: Gender Stereotyping & New Subscriber To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > PS. Why is it that most -all? - of those writing to the Enigma list are > male? > Nothing to do with enigma my friend, and everything to do with age-old gender stereotyping which tells females (and males) that computers are 'masculine'. It's the same tragic story in most places. And it annoys me mucho. Sorry I've been lurking on here for a while now, I'll come out. My real name is Alex Macfie, I'm a 2nd-year chemistry & computer science student. I like Enigma and *adore* Sandra. I got into Enigma from the single "Sadeness Pt1", and Sandra after buying "Close to 7". And I'd really like to know why Sandra's never been successful in the UK. The other music I like include anything Celtic (especially Clannad, Enya, Capercaillie), ambient (try the Australian artist Ken Davis), Mike Oldfield, synth music such as OMD, New Order (but not the sort that's too cliched), Kate Bush. What I tend *not* to like is conventional rock or pop, grunge etc.. In general I hate masculism (see above), technophobia, trendies, pseuds and politicians. I like most things though. I want most to find a Secret Land. Sadly Sandra's already taken, but I'll find someone to excape with forever. Celebrate your Life! Alex -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CGCE, 108 Holly Cross, Keele, Staffordshire, ST5 5JB u3a97@cc.keele.ac.uk I can't Adam and Eve that there are still people who Adam and Eve in Adam and Eve. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 95 22:15:06 EDT From: wpabst@skidmore.EDU (william pabst) Subject: Green Radio Promo To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma list) Dear A.B.C., I have that one too. I also have one like it for Out From the Deep. Anybody interested? After all this talk about gregorian, I am very interested in possible trading. mail me, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:25:51 -500 (CDT) From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: Green Radio Promo! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey, Guys (and, as we now know, GALS, I've found a light green radio promo (US, of course) for "Age of Lonliness" (the title may be off, I'm doing this from memory!) CD. It states that it's not for sale (yeah, right) NO CD cover, but it does have a black and white backing to the CD jewel box that states the song title and all the assorted information. Anyone have anything to say about this one?? Anyone interested in trading it for something I'M LOOKING FOR?!? Drop me a line... +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Alfredo B. Cruz /|/////| /| /| /| /| + Chairman, Department of Art |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| + Our Lady of the Lake University |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| + 411 S. 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The only thing I'd be willing to trade would be my UK release of Age of Loneliness. I could also get for you a copy of the Out from the Deep single, if you don't already have it. Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) University of North Texas Denton, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Apr 95 16:47:18 EST From: kirin@digitals.com Subject: Greetings To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Heya Here are My answers to the q's on the mailing list 1my name is Eric 2 i am 21 3 i have the Enigma limited edition albums i have the us singles of sadeness and mea culpa i have the regular us release cd's and the import singles from holland of age of lonliness and out from the deep i have a t-shirt with Marqui de Sade on it i have the sheet music of return to innocence and all the us release cassette singles and the videos part one, Pardon my non use of punctuation i am typing this fast to avoid being cut off! 4 I heard of Enigma From the radio then saw the video and was Hooked and i am Trying to get almost everything humanly possible Enigma Related! 5 The other artists i like are Delerium, Deep Forest, Youssou N'dour, Sandra, B Tribe and Sarah Brightman, Enya, Depeche Mode Nine inch Nails and all the other stuff that usually goes un noticed by other People! 6 My job Hmm i am a Laborer yeah that's it! 7 WEll lemme see here the other interesting information is lets see here i Love Horror movies and ask me anything! Well that's all for now i guess, Untill i can think of something else to clutter up my mind with! Bye Eric Kirin@digitals.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 20:28:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Gregorian To: enigma Does anyone have any idea where i can get some FAQs on Gregorian? Do they have any other CD besides Sadisfaction? I doubt if they do, cause Peterson began writing songs for another chick, but someone tell me i'm wrong and they do have another CD :) Thanks. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:19:18 -0400 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Gregorian/Enigma To: Enigma Distribution List This is going back on the Gregorian debate a little, but if Cretu was ripping off Peterson, what's Peterson doing on MCMXC a.D.??????? _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@cfn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:55:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Valeng Cha Subject: Gregorian stuff To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma ListServ) With all the GREGORIANS talk lately, I was wondering if there's anyone out there willing to get me their 'Sadisfaction' CD? Willing to pay at most $25 U.S. dollars for it. [let's not try to make a profit, k.] I am especially addressing this to those in Europe. It's impossible to find them here in the States? We Enigma/Gregorian fans need to help each other out. Other questions: 1. With what recording company is Gregorian associated? 2. Do they have other albums besides Sadisfaction? 3. Do they have any Vidoes? Posters? Anything? 4. Are there any European Music Store Sites to ftp, www,etc.? Thanx. Valeng Cha cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 19:42:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: Gregorian stuff To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > 4. Are there any European Music Store Sites to ftp, www,etc.? > > Thanx. > > Valeng Cha > cha@stolaf.edu > Try this site: telnet cdeurope.com They have the biggest European selection I've ever seen. Hope this helps! Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:58:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Gregorian stuff To: ENIGMA Distribution List > With all the GREGORIANS talk lately, I was wondering if there's > anyone out there willing to get me their 'Sadisfaction' CD? Willing to > pay at most $25 U.S. dollars for it. [let's not try to make a profit, > k.] I am especially addressing this to those in Europe. It's > impossible to find them here in the States? We Enigma/Gregorian fans > need to help each other out. > Other questions: > 1. With what recording company is Gregorian associated? Metronome. > 2. Do they have other albums besides Sadisfaction? > 3. Do they have any Vidoes? Posters? Anything? Yeah, that's what i'd like to find out too. > 4. Are there any European Music Store Sites to ftp, www,etc.? You won't find em at cdeurope.com (europe) or cdconnection.com (U.S). All you get are freaking Gregorian Chants. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 13:05:21 -0500 From: jl@nwu.edu (J. Li) Subject: Homework: Newbie. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello everyone! I've just joined the list. Here's the homework as requested in the welcome message: * Name John Li * Age 20-something * What is in your Enigma collection All US album + almost all remix Several UK singles 1 Japanese single (return to innocence) Gegorian: Once in a life time, So sad (single) Several gregorain chants (classical) (Enigma-like CD: All Deep Forest album + all UK and US remix Enchanted (CD single + LP) b-tribe (don't want to see me cry single) Some rip-off Engima-wanna-be release "Various Gregorian Chants") * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are First time I saw the video of Sadness part I on Much Music. Fell in love immediately. Look at my collection and tell me how much a fan I am. * Other artists you like As mentioned above, plus (no particular order) YMO, Ryuichi Sakamoto, Enya, Cranberries, Harajuku, Orbital, Jam & Spoon, Kitaro, Art of Noise, Kraftwerk, GRID. Japanese and Chinese singers: Akina Nakamori, Wink, Miho Nakayama, Anzenchitai, Faye Wong, "dream-theatre", Winnie Lau, Vivian Lai, Sandy Lam, Annie, Jacky Cheung, Leslie Cheung, "dar-min-yut-pai". * What course or job you're doing (if any) Finished BSc (honours) in Pharmacology and Therapeutics. Now doing my DDS. * Any other interesting information you wish to share I'm going to Hong Kong next week. Any interesting CD I should pick up? Please send to jl@nwu.edu. Thanks JL :P ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:11:42 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Hubert KaH & Sandra discographies updates To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all. Another weekend and more purchases! This weekend I had the pleasure in finding a Hubert KaH CD and can confirm that Hubert KaH is not one person! As per the "Ten Songs" CD booklet: Hubert Kemmler - Vocals Markus Lohr - Guitar & Keyboards Klaus Hirschburger - Bass This particular CD was produced by Michael Cretu and Armand Volker. The other purchase I made was a box set of 3 Sandra CDs. The 3 CDs contained were "The Long Play", "Mirrors", and "Into a Secret Land". Each CD had a different reference number to the original CD, and the physical CD itself was a picture of either the front or back cover of the CD booklet. As a consequence of these purchases, the Hubert KaH and Sandra discographies have been updated. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Apr 1995 16:04:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Hubert KaH & Sandra discographies updates To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > This weekend I had the pleasure in finding a Hubert KaH CD and can confirm that Hubert KaH is not one person! As per the "Ten Songs" CD booklet: > Hubert Kemmler - Vocals > Markus Lohr - Guitar & Keyboards > Klaus Hirschburger - Bass > This particular CD was produced by Michael Cretu and Armand Volker. I take it you're talking about the "Hubert KaH: Sound of My Heart" CD. It always baffled me as to where they got KaH. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:20:33 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Hubert KaH & Sandra discographies updates To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Paul. > > This weekend I had the pleasure in finding a Hubert KaH CD and can > confirm that Hubert KaH is not one person! As per the "Ten Songs" CD booklet: > > Hubert Kemmler - Vocals > > Markus Lohr - Guitar & Keyboards > > Klaus Hirschburger - Bass > > This particular CD was produced by Michael Cretu and Armand Volker. > > I take it you're talking about the "Hubert KaH: Sound of My > Heart" CD. It always baffled me as to where they got KaH. Nope, I was referring to the "Ten Songs" album from 1986.... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:21:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Hubert KaH & Sandra discographies updates To: ENIGMA Distribution List > > > > I take it you're talking about the "Hubert KaH: Sound of My > > Heart" CD. It always baffled me as to where they got KaH. > > Nope, I was referring to the "Ten Songs" album from 1986.... so are they totally different songs from that of 'sound of my heart'? and if so, are they any good? what tracks are on there? Oh, just thought you might want to know, cretu had a part in peter shillings 'a different story'. Just thought that was interesting :) -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:44:46 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Hubert KaH & Sandra discographies updates To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Paul. > > Nope, I was referring to the "Ten Songs" album from 1986.... > > so are they totally different songs from that of 'sound of my heart'? > and if so, are they any good? what tracks are on there? Oh, just thought > you might want to know, cretu had a part in peter shillings 'a different > story'. Just thought that was interesting :) All songs are different from those of "Sound of my Heart" and, in my view, not as good. However some of the tracks are still quite nice to listen to. If you want a track listing, get the Hubert KaH discography from yoyo. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:59:58 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Hubert KaH & Sandra discographies updates To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > It always baffled me as to where they got KaH. I assume it's "Kemmler and Hirschburger", not unlike CaT (Cretu and Thiers). -- Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 17:48:16 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: IMPORTANT: Revised new instructions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. Late last week I supplied you all with NEW instructions about this mailing list and its associated services, especially to do with subscribing and unsubscribing. Unfortunately, however, there is 1 error in it: Any reference to "signoff" should have read "unsubscribe"!!!! Subsequently, here is the enigma mailing list introductory message once more: _____ | |___ _ _ __ __ | |\ | | / __ |\/| |__| Mailing List (Bounce Form) |______ | \| _|_ \__/ | | | | INTRODUCTORY TEXT *** Mailing List Formed in April 1994 *** Administered by: Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) The Enigma mailing list is administered by Gavin Stok with the back-up help of Joar Grimstvedt (joarg@hsr.no) when he is busy or away on holiday. When subscribed, you are connected with many other people from around the world, many of whom are fans. The list discusses aspects of the people, the band, the rumors, and the items of Enigma. It also discusses the music of related artists including Sandra, Deep Forest, Delerium, and Michael Cretu himself. The list boasts contact with many of the above artist's record companies, including Virgin Australia, Virgin Norway, Virgin Germany, and Nettwerk. 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GAVIN STOK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 08:42:08 MET-0100 From: "PaShu" Subject: Indian Spirits To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello! Several months ago I heard song, which sounded me very Enigma-like, and it was Indian Spirits from ANDI SLAVIK & SUSANNE KEMMLER For everyone, who's looking for this song or who wants to hear it - - it was on Bravo Hits 7. My questions: 1. Who is ANDI SLAVIK (I suppose this song was written by him) or SUSANNE KEMMLER? 2. Does anyone know something more about this song? The only thing I know is that this one has been played on MTV as the background to some stupid advertisement and "SLAVIK" in Czech is the same as "NIGHTINGALE" in English. Thanks a lot. Pavel. 'Much to talk and much to tell isn't the same...' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:40:11 +0200 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: Indian Spirits To: ENIGMA Distribution List On Mon, 10 Apr 1995, PaShu wrote: > Hello! > > Several months ago I heard song, which sounded me very Enigma-like, > and it was > > Indian Spirits > > from > > ANDI SLAVIK & SUSANNE KEMMLER > > For everyone, who's looking for this song or who wants to hear it - > - it was on Bravo Hits 7. > > My questions: > > 1. Who is ANDI SLAVIK (I suppose this song was written by him) > or SUSANNE KEMMLER? > > 2. Does anyone know something more about this song? > > The only thing I know is that this one has been played on MTV as the > background to some stupid advertisement and "SLAVIK" in Czech is the > same as "NIGHTINGALE" in English. > > Thanks a lot. > > Pavel. > > 'Much to talk and much to tell isn't the same...' > > Suzanne Kemmler? Does anyone know if and how she's related to Hubert Kemmler. The commercial was from clothing company C&A (I think the German branch). Maybe there's a chance they can help you. Alexander Lint ALINT@ET.TUDELFT.NL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 00:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "James M. Stone" Subject: Introductions... To: Enigma Mailing List Hi I'm new to the enigma mailing list. My name is James Stone. I am 17 years old. My Enigma collection consists of MXCMD, Cross of Changes, Sliver Soundtract, Sadness Part 1 Single, Return to Innocence Single, and the Age of Lonelyness Single. I first heard Enigma in 6th grade. I also listen to Deep Forest, Young American Primative, Moby, and many other trans-ambient/ambient/tribal-ambient/etc. groups. Thanx. James Stone jastone@linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:38:47 GMT+1 From: "Ove Kvam" Subject: Jennifer Monday, possibly Cretu production? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have an old recording from radio where an artist named Jennifer Monday sings a song named "Invisible". It could just as well have been an early Sandra single. It has the Cretu sound all over it. Could this be a Cretu production, or is it just somebody riding the Sandra wave? I guess I recorded it around 1986. ................................................................ Ove Kvam, Pb 360, 4341 BRYNE, NORWAY Phone: Norway+51482719 ---------------------Email: ovekvam@hsr.no---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Apr 95 14:13:33 CDT From: Jim English Subject: list idea To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) hey Joar and Gavin, how about compiling a list of all the different Enigma mixes (radio edits counted too) from all the singles. I know I've searched the discography serveral times seeing what mixes exist from the different singles. After I get one of each single title, then I only buy to find diff mixes. I think I'm only missing one right now, but I'm not sure. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "I don't care if it rains or freezes/As long as I've got my plastic jesus/ Sitting on the dashboard of my car." ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Apr 1995 20:05:45 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Mailing list change-over To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day to you all. This is a message to advise you all that over this weekend (April 8 & 9) we will be changing mailing list software from listserv to majordomo. This is for the following reasons: 1. Current digests are sometimes being cut off. Due to majordomo's automatic digest creation, this problem will hopefully be resolved. 2. Majordomo actually detects people trying to subscribe or unsubscribe from the wrong address and ensures you all don't get these messages. 3. Majordomo is easier for us administrators to use and maintain! No action is required from your part, but please be warned that any messages sent to the list over the weekend may bounce back. Early next week I will advise you all of new instructions in relation to unsubscribing from the mailing list and other related matters. Should you find that you are receiving no messages from the mailing list after Monday, please email me at gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (or Joar at joarg@hsr.no) and we will resolve the problem. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:20:00 +0200 From: "Williams, Andrew" Subject: More Musical Threads To: "'Enigma Mailing list'" Over the week-end I was musing on all the kinds of music I like (one day you'll find out too when I do my homework) and a lot of the threads either lead to or away from Enigma. Curious. The rest of my was partly spent at the local music store. After we chatted a while (new shop) the assistant introduced me to some new stuff, including a VERY interesting one by the Deep Forest crew. Anybody heard of Dao Dezi before? They have the three principle guys from Deep Forest (Eric Mouquet, Guilain Joncheray, Tim Gordine). It's called World Mix Album (very original!). The style is distantly linked to the Deep Forest we know and love, but is very distinctive in its own right. Classifying it is difficult, but it seems a sort of Gaelic/Celtic Funk Folk! Not too much bass line though, which means it does get over-powered by beat. Special, and worth looking for if into 'our' kind of music. Can be played quiet or loud. And if anybody buying it knows what they are saying please post a translation! (Actually, this music shows one more time that ultimately it is not vital to understand what is being said in the lyrics. You can absord the emotion of the music just through the music of the voices. They become a sort of instrument for expression (but then what is so new about that? Sandra does it on Enigma with the French lyrics that will be incomprehensible to many- see the translation in the FAQ!). Anybody listen to the 'Les Voix Bulgares'? The women capella singers from Bulgaria? Amazing beauty in their voices. But I can't understand a single word there either!). The second album I bought was of Tibetan chants. Another interesting one. Goes wonderfully with where I live (Geneva) with a view of a misty evening lake and cloud-kissed mountains. I'll be going baack to that shop again and again. So much music, and so little time to listen (or money to buy!) Andy Williams PS. Bad news. If you've not realised, Gregorian is no longer issued in most of Europe or N America (Polydor label). It may be lying on the shelves of some German stores though apparently, so I'll check it out next month when I visit my sister. Keep your fingers crossed (what was even more irritating for me was that this 'new' shop had a copy of Sadisfaction until last week. Aaaargh!). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:48:15 -0800 From: quad@best.com (Don Gray) Subject: More Musical Threads - Deep Forest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma List) "Williams, Andrew" said: >.... After we chatted a while ... the assistant >introduced me to some new stuff, including a VERY interesting one by the >Deep Forest crew. > >Anybody heard of Dao Dezi before? > >They have the three principle guys from Deep Forest (Eric Mouquet, Guilain >Joncheray, Tim Gordine). Actually, Eric Mouquet is one-half of Deep Forest. Michel Sanchez is the other half. I don't know who the other two (Guilain Joncheray, Tim Gordine) are. If anyone knows about their background, please post it and I'll put it in the next revision of the Deep Forest FAQ. I've tried to get this in the U.S. and haven't been able to locate it. And EAR/Rational (my favorite mail-order CD company, here on the Internet) hasn't been able to order it. For those of you who are also trying to find it, here is the pertinent info: >>DAO DEZI - World Mix Album >> >>EMI France (BIEM/STEMRA on CD) >>831920 2 >> >>CD says: >>Made in Holland >>Distribution EMI France >> >>Backcover has: >>Printed in Holland >> >>Sticker on case: >>Made in England >And if anybody buying it >knows what they are saying please post a translation! And please cc me on it, and your name and the translation will go into the Deep Forest FAQ! obEnigma: Now that Enigma is going to do a live concert, has anyone heard if Deep Forest is going to do one? They have had plans to do one in the past.... Take care, Don -- quad@best.com Check out the Deep Forest FAQ & Discography at: http://www.best.com/~quad/ ftp://ftp.best.com/pub/quad/deep.forest/DeepForest-FAQ.txt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 19:00:22 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: More Musical Threads - Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day! > obEnigma: Now that Enigma is going to do a live concert, has anyone heard > if Deep Forest is going to do one? They have had plans to do one in the > past.... 2 very important facts: 1. It is not yet a certainty that Enigma is doing a live concert. It is an idea which Michael has proposed and which MAY come about. 2. Deep Forest is doing their first (last?) concert in Norway in around 1-2 weeks. Joar, can you please report all the details of this to the list for Don's and everyone else's information? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:38:34 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: More Musical Threads - Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Don, > obEnigma: Now that Enigma is going to do a live concert, has anyone heard > if Deep Forest is going to do one? They have had plans to do one in the > past.... Deep Forest are going to have a concert in Oslo on May 5th - that's only a week away. They are performing on Sentrum Scene, one of the leading venues, and the show is part of a festival of animation films called 'Animerte Dager' ('Animated Days'). I don't know what the connection is, but in ads for the festival the Deep Forest concert is called 'The Ultimate Virtual Reality Experience', so who knows what this means! The programme for the festival lists MTV as one of the features, possibly meaning that MTV (Europe) will air from the festival, or have specials or something. This is all that I know at the moment (gleaned from the ad). The tickets cost 140 NOK, which is about 20 USD. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 02:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Francis G. Toy" Subject: My homework To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Ok, I'm a newbie who's trying to fight off lag at 1:45 am so here goes..... 1) Francis 2) 28 3) My collection consists of both the limited & regular editions of "MCMXC a.D." as well as Enigma 2. I've also seen copies of the Enigma 2 "Limited Edition" at Tower Records, but $34 US for a gold-plated disc and several extra re-mixes is a bit too steep for my tastes. I might, however, reconsider the same offer with MCMXC a.D. Either that or a glow-in-the- dark case with the second album would suffice! 4) Like many of you here, my first experience with Enigma was from a video that I saw on MTV a few years back("Sadeness", (MCMXC a.D.). Anyways, the video starts off with a guy writing at his desk until he succumbs to fatique and slumber. As he's dozing off, he begins to dream about being a monk who wonders through an ancient Monastery. During the course of his journey, he encounters a light emanating from a hole on the ceiling and then a mysterious door. But, that's not the reason why I'm attracted to Enigma. I like Enigma because of the timelessness of their music, on top of which they have one heck of an infectious groove! 5) Definitely Deep Forest, B-tribe, Delerium and Enchanted! Other artists include: Jean-Michel Jarre, Steve Roach, Michael Stearns, Robert Rich, Tim Clement & Mychael Danna, Pete Namlook, Ambient Temple of Imagination, Future Sound of London, Constance Demby, Kenneth Newby, Paul Avgerinos, Rafael, Nik Tyndall, Giles Reaves, Steve McDonald, Mike Oldfield, Heavenly Music Corporation, Lightwave, Benedictine Monks of Santo Domingo De Silos and other various Gregorian chant artists. 6) I too am a laborer. 7) Of the "other various Gregorian chant artists" listed above, there are a few of which I would like to mention. They are: A. "From The Ends Of The Earth: Gregorian Chant Liturgy of St. Anthony" by Gregorian Choir of Lison. A most beautiful Gregorian chant recordinmg. B. "Gregorian Chant" by Choralschola of the Niederaltaicher Scholaren, conducted by Konrad Ruhland(1994). Just can't over track #17! C. Vision: The Music of Hildegard von Bingen. St. Hildegard von Bingen was a Benedictine nun, mystic and composer who lived in Germany during the 11th & 12th centuries (1091-1173). Vision is not Gregorian Chant in the strictest sense, but her music is performed beautifully by the haunting vocals of Emily Van Evera and Sister Germaine Fritz, accompanied by the contemporary instrumentals of renowned new age/ jazz artist Richard Souther. This is truly one of my favorite recordings, and one that I'd highly recommend it to any Enigma fan! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 12:47:14 +0200 From: Jan Willem van Markus Subject: Newbie To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Everyone, I'm a newbie of this list. My name is: Jan Willem van Markus. Because this is much too long everyone just calls me jw. (Jay Double You, or JeeWee). I live in The Netherlands. I am 23 years of age. And interested in Enigma since the beginning but before that, I was fan of Sandra. (I still am ofcourse) My collection: CD's Enigma: MCMXC a.d. (The Limited Edition with the hologram) Enigma: The Cross Of Changes Sandra: Into a secret land Sandra: Close To Seven CD Single Sandra: Don't be aggressive Well it's not much, but I'm still expanding. My brother took his collection with him when he moved out. So when I want to hear any CD I can get it there. Or I go to my cousin. He has almost all of Sandra's releases. The village I live in has some CD shops, but it's not really the place to look for anything. They have CD's of Enigma. But Sandra, somehow they are not willing to sell it here. Most of the time when I'm on holiday in Switzerland I buy my Sandra CD's. In a small shop in Bern. They have the oldies, at a very cheap price. There used, but that doesn't matter. The music is still on it so, I don't mind they've been someone elses property before. I'm a fan of Melodic Rock Music. So very many artists are qualifying my taste of music. I work at the moment as an apprentice at an automation company. I am implementing Internet services such as. WWW, FTP, News. Well that covers my story of who I am, and what I do. So after al that talking I eventually got one question: Does anyone know if the new single of sandra "Nights in white Satin" is out in Holland. Or when it becomes available here? CU L8r JW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 21:58:14 GMT+1 From: "Joar Grimstvedt" Subject: Newbie (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au From: Enigmatic Subject: Re: Newbie To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:10:34 +1000 (EST) Hi and welcome! > So after al that talking I eventually got one question: > Does anyone know if the new single of sandra "Nights in white > Satin" is out in Holland. Or when it becomes available here? It should be out in Holland by now. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:46:57 GMT-1DFT From: OLAF NOUWENS Subject: Newbie (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au You wrote: > So after al that talking I eventually got one question: > Does anyone know if the new single of sandra "Nights in white > Satin" is out in Holland. Or when it becomes available here? It should be out in Holland by now. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) I live in Holland, and I haven't seen the single til now, I let you know when, where and how I get it, but I don't know how long it will take. Peace. O. Nouwens (o.nouwens@hsbos.nl) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 09:48:40 GMT-1DFT From: OLAF NOUWENS Subject: New Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I heard a new album to come out from Deep Forest. It may be old news to you, but I recently heard this, down here in Holland. The name is "Boheme" and will be out first week of May. Now out: Martha's Song. Soundtrack of the movie Pret a Porter with some mellow house remixes from the, always remixing, Armand van Helden of the USA. Succes to find some, Peace Olaf Nouwens ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 1995 17:26:45 -0600 (MDT) From: "Chadd E. Smith" Subject: New Hubert Kah single? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, everyone. In checking the listings on cdeurope.com, I see they have a new single listed for Hubert Kah: 'C'Est La Vie', and the date is listed as 1995. So is this a new release, and is there a forthcoming album? Also, is there any way I could track down a copy of Ten Songs on cd? I've been looking for a while, with no results. Thanks! Chadd smithce@lampf.lanl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Apr 95 11:20:23 METDST From: breemen@cs.utwente.nl Subject: New Subscriber... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) Hi everyone, I saw in the introduction to the maillist that you have a little homework for me. So here we go... My Name is Robert van den Breemen. I live in the Netherlands and I am 25 years old. And I am a computer science major at the University of Twente in Enschede, working on my graduation project right now ;) My enigma collection consists of the two major releases and the Sadness Single. I am not too big on collection every single release of a song. I heard Enigma for the first time on MTV I guess, got really interested right away, went out and bought the 1st CD. I was expecting that there would be more releases and that happend last year. How big of a fan am I? Well, let me say this, I would love to see a live preformance from the big guy. And I understand that he might just do that. I would travel a long way to be able to be there (as long as I my budget can handle it that is). Ohter artists that I like: Jean-Michel Jarre (I have been to several concerts and own all his albums, even the pre-oxygen and music for the supermarket, however I again I am not collecting every single release, just the normal releases) Enya Micheal Oldfield Vangelis (especcially Antartica and Blade Runner that is) The Orb Music from Twin Peaks & Fire Walk with me (Angelo Badalamenti) Bjork Sinead O'Conner Film Music by John Williams Portis Head (current hit at least) Lot's of different Ambient & New Age stuff... So you could say I guess that I tend to listen to synth-music. I like good dance music too (house), but only to dance on, I hate it when played at home... Want to know more, just ask me!! I'll try to answer your questions... Regards, Robert -- _///_ Robert van den Breemen /(o o)\ =======================================oOO0==(_)==oOOo====================== breemen@cs.utwente.nl | phone +31-74-910474 / +31-5750-15113 http://www.cs.utwente.nl/~breemen/ | =====================================================[ the Netherlands ]==== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 95 18:27:17 EDT From: mathias@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu (mathias thallmayer) Subject: Nights In White Satin To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mail List) An amusing coincidence! Yesterday, Nancy Sinatra was on the Howard Stern radio show. She was plugging her new album. One of the cuts they played was her version of "Nights in White Satin". Musically, it was OK, but her voice was just lacking the proper timbre/expressiveness or whatever to carry this song. It's interesting that two female vocalists are releasing versions of this song simultaneously. Now, what I'd like to hear is a Sandra cover of "Whiter Shade Of Pale". -- Mathias iconoclast@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:35:00 +0200 From: "Williams, Andrew" Subject: Nights in White Satin To: "'Enigma Mailing list'" OK Sandra fans. Time for a debate! Since joining the mailing list I have got some great ideas for new albums. Last week I got Peter Gabriel's album 'Passion' thanks to a recommendation from the list. It is excellent (by the way, did you know that there is a second album, called - I think - Passion Sources. It is a sampler of the original sources of inspiration for 'Passion' itself. It has had good reviews too, and I'm trying to find it - Anybody heard it?). I still can't find Gregorian (and if I get another comment "Oh yes. You'll find it over in the religious music section" I am going to choke someone!!!!!!!)(to avoid my suffering this ignorance, if anyone spots a copy of 'Sadisfaction' let me know. I'll buy it!!) I have also 'discovered' Sandra, and like some - but not all - of what I have heard (I've got the compilation '18 Best...', and 'Close to Seven'. But .... ... yesterday I bought 'Nights In White Satin'. Last night I listened to it. Today am wondering why Sandra bothered (and why I didn't preview before buying). As an experiment in re-working a song it is perhaps interesting. Maybe even worth listening to a couple of times. But in terms of being a piece of quality listening it is a total disaster! I have the original 'Nights ..' by the Moodies, and it never ceases to bring a chill to me as I listen ot the haunting voice of Justin H. It is a real beauty. Full of feeling, ambience, and sexuality. And, dare I say it, love. I had hoped for something good from Sandra in her version, but it was not to be. No heart, no soul, no feeling, just another 'cover'. The only feeling it drew out was disappointment. As for the 4 remixes, I think somebody must be playing with us. Not much more than time filling. I hope it is not a typical taste of the new album, 'cos if it is I won't be buying it (at least, not before I preview it). So. Is this another case of hype? Someone trying out things to see what the reaction is? Are some of us risking being blinded by 'faith' in our chosen artists so we will by anything they put out? Incidentally, if anybody want a REALLY good collection of 'covers' try the new Annie Lennox album 'Medusa'. Superb is the only way to describe it. I am afraid Sandra has a long way to go to match Annie, even given the different styles. Now I'll sit back and wait for the flames! Or maybe this is the time to debate a bit? Andy Williams <> <> Virgil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:07:28 +0059 (EDT) From: Eileen Whiteside Subject: Nights in White Satin? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone know if Sandra's new single will be released in England? (and if so, when?) I find it much easier to get imports from England, than from Germany or Holland. Thanks for your time, Eileen whitese@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "James M. Stone" Subject: Non US Releases To: Enigma Mailing List Where can non-US releases of enigma be obtained on compact disk? --James M. Stone ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 00:11:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Anshuman Pandey Subject: Non US Releases To: "James M. Stone" Try the Import sections of your music shop. Or you could see what they have at the On-line CD Shop: http://cdrom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Anshuman Pandey | And when they've given you their all, | | University of Washington | __o Some stagger and fall - after all | | History & Political Science | _`\<,_ it's not easy, banging your head | | apandey@u.washington.edu |__(+)/ (+)__ against some mad bugger's wall | | WWW: http://weber.u.washington.edu/~apandey/ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 23 Apr 1995, James M. Stone wrote: > Where can non-US releases of enigma be obtained on compact disk? > > --James M. Stone > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:33:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Echols Subject: Non US Releases To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au or you could try telnet to cdconnection.com , they had 16 different Enigma CDs last time I looked... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:07:41 -0500 From: Matthew.S.Jeffers@williams.edu (Matt Jeffers) Subject: Passion! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In the homepage there was a thing that said what music was similar to Enigma's. If PASSION (Peter Gabriel, 1989) is not there, it should be. Maybe not all tracks, but definitely certain ones. Seeing the wide range of other bands in that list, PASSION deserves its place there. It's a great album. MSJ WILLIAMSTOWN MASSACHUSETTS USA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 22:49:28 CDT From: borgmanb@simon.wustl.edu Subject: Passion! To: "enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au"@wugate.wustl.edu Mr. Jeffers is correct. Passion could very well be considered Enigma-like. More so than Dead Can Dance, although I enjoy their music very much. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 17:12:50 +0100 (CET) From: "Stefan van Nunen" Subject: ReRe: Newbie (fwd) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I live in Holland, and I haven't seen the single til now, I let you > know when, where and how I get it, but I don't know how long it will > take. Peace. > O. Nouwens > > (o.nouwens@hsbos.nl) > Sandra's "Nights In White Satin" is available in Holland right now. I just bought it half an hour ago at Van Leest, Eindhoven, for DFl 15,95. --------------------------- --------------------------------------- | Stefan J.F. van Nunen | | \X/\X/\X/ | | S.J.F.v.Nunen@stud.tue.nl | | http://www.stack.urc.tue.nl/~stefann/ | --------------------------- --------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 95 13:32:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: Rumi the sufi To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au A month or so back, interest was raised in the sufi, Rumi. Excerpt from "Feeling the shoulder of the lion, poetry and teaching stories of Rumi" translated by Coleman Barks DERVISH AT THE DOOR A dervish knocked at a house to ask for a piece of dry bread, or moist bread, it didn't matter. "This is not a bakery," said the owner. "Might you have a bit of gristle then?" "Does this look like a butchershop?" "A little flour?" "Do you hear a grinding-stone?" "Some water?" "This is not a well." Whatever the dervish asked for, the man made some tired joke, and refused to give him anything. Finally the dervish ran in the house, lifted his robe, and squatted as though to take a shit. "Hey, hey!" "Quiet you sad man. A deserted place is a fine spot to relieve one's self, and since there is no one living here, or means of living, it needs fertilizing." The dervish began his own list of questions and answers. "What kind of bird are you? Not a falcon, trained for the royal hand. Not a peacock, painted with everyone's eyes. Not a parrot, that talks for sugar cubes. Not a nightengale, that sings like someone in love. Not a hoopoe bringing the messages of Solomon, or a stork that builds on a cliffside. What exactly do you do? You are no known species. You haggle and make jokes to keep what you own for yourself. You have forgotten the One who doesn't care about ownership, who doesn't try to turn a profit from every human exchange." (*Mathnawi VI, 1250-1267) * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:08:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: Sadness Part I To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > My name is Shane Hartman. I will turn 22 tomorrow, Apr. 3rd. My Enigma > collection includes only various singles at the moment which include Sadness > Part I, Age of Loneliness, and Return to Innocence - my personal favorite. Where did you get Sadness Part I? I REALLY want this single and would like to know the store's name--and if it's a franchise (so I can get it in the DFW metroplex somewhere, maybe?) Thanx! Cody (judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 22:30:17 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Sandra: Nights In White Satin To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Sandra: Nights In White Satin Virgin, 8 92899 2; 7243 8 92899 2 3 - DINSD 145 - PM 515 1. Nights In White Satin (Radio Edit) (108 BPM) 3:35 2. Nights In White Satin (Club Mix) (140 BPM) 6:05 3. Nights In White Satin (Techno Mix) (140 BPM) 5:29 4. Nights In White Satin (Jungle Mix) (150 BPM) 6:09 5. Nights In White Satin (Dub Version) (140 BPM) 4:02 Written by Justin Hayward Produced & Engineered by Michael Cretu & Jens Gad Published by Tyler Music Taken from the forthcoming album "Fading Shades" Photography: Jim Rakete Sleeve Design: Virgin Munich (P) 1995 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH (C) 1995 Virgin Schallplatten GmbH The cover shows Sandra in silhouette against a dark and deserted place. The CD itself is purple, with silver lettering. This is the first single from Sandra's fortcoming album. It is a cover version, a cover of the 1967 Moody Blues song. This isn't the first time Sandra has covered songs; she did Everlasting Love in 1987, and Hiroshima (originally by Wishful Thinking) on her Paintings In Yellow album in 1990. The original Nights In White Satin is an at times mellow song. On this new version there's a beat and a deep bass running through the whole song, and the strings lines from the original are replaced by a gentle guitar. Sandra is joined by male background vocals on the "I love you" parts, but it doesn't sound like Angel, who was actively involved in the vocals on the previous Sandra album Close To Seven. The version is a nice cover, although the track doesn't grab your attention too much. The remixes, on the other hand, do. These see Cretu and Gad going into ambient and trance territories, something which they do well. The first of the remixes is the Club Mix. It starts off with a doom-like soundscape, complete with drum rolls on the tam-tams. Into this comes a simple, echoed note pattern, and a sound which bears a striking resemblance to the opening whale cry of Jean-Michel Jarre's Ethnicolor. A busy, low bass and sounds running up and down the scales pave way for the bass drum. Soon the rest of the drums join in. The "I love you" part comes in, and the vocals from the verse are sung. The track continues with the bass line, drums and various sounds until it fades out with the opening sonic atmosphere. The Techno Mix starts with some chords and the high cries. A nice note sequence gives motion to the music, until a dark string part opens up for Sandra. The drums slowly build up, and a refreshing chord melody comes in. The "I love you" part is joined by the guitar and the bass, which plays on until the end. The Jungle Mix opens in a similar way to the previous mixes, with chords and cries, and with a guitar. This mix is faster in tempo, something which is reflected in the drums. After Sandra's first verse comes some very aggressive drums, and a distorted guitar. The echoed note pattern from the Club Mix is repeated together with the bass and the sounds running up and down the scales, with no drums. They return, to a middle part where the drums run for themselves, and where there's some chords which bring some new air into the music. The track then continues with the usual bass and drums, and the "I love you" vocals, and fades out with the high cry. The final mix is the Dub Version, which starts off with a surprising snare drum roll. As on most dub versions, there is very little melody or vocals here. We have the drums, bass, chords, the cry, the distorted guitar and the echoed note pattern. The track ends with a struck note on the guitar. The highlights on this single must be the remixes. They are well done, and Cretu and Gad have made the three main mixes (excluding the Dub Version) varied, so even though they use the same material and many of the same elements they sound unique. Especially the openings are successful. The mixes carry on what was heard on the Trance Mix of Enigma's Out From The Deep single (which was done by Jens Gad). As always there is attention paid to the details in the music. I think we can look forward to an exciting album in Fading Shades. -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Apr 95 20:43:23 CDT From: woody Subject: Sandra Greatest Hits for Sale To: ENIGMA Distribution List I thought that some of you may be interested in this: I have a cd copy of Sandra's Greatest Hits (1992) for sale. Cost: $10US plus shipping. If you're interested, email me at: c562611@mizzou1.missouri.edu Cheers, Woody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 12:21:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Dinh Le Subject: Singles To: enigma If anyone out there who has either the "Principle of Lust Single," or "the rivers of belief " single please contact me. I have a request. Thank You. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:27:48 -0300 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: stuff To: Enigma Distribution List Greetings fellow Enigmites! Just few thoughts here... First, congrats to Gavin on exellant work. The interview was great. We're probably now amongst the first people on the planet with a release date for the next album. Second, with all this descussion of live proformance, I thoguht I'd throw in my two cents. The idea of a live proformance is great, but, to reiterate, it'd be tricky. Pink Floyd, for example, puts on a great show technically, but the band itself, from what I've seen, just *stands* there. On the other hand, with a group like U2, you get the light show *and* the band itself. As for a concert from an exotic location, I believe Yanni has already played the acropolis, so the idea loses some of it's originality. Still, a natural monument of some sort might stil make an interesting show. (Idea: Deep Forest, Live From The Congo :-}). On the other hand, I recently saw a Jean Michel Jarre concert video, live in Barcelona I think. Now I admit I'm not a fan, but the show still struck me as a little tacky. JMJ walks on stage in a powder blue lab coat, plays, a semicercular synth for a while, then a troop of singers walks on stage, shining flashlights on their faces (?!). JMJ then plays an intrument involving interrupting lazers with his hands (same principal as those security systems from old spy movies). You get the idea. Over developed and overloaded with hooks. (You can start flaming now.) _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@cfn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 20:15:23 EDT From: Matthew.S.Jeffers@williams.edu (Matt Jeffers) Subject: Thank you thank you... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Whoa, that was some digest yesterday...not just for the info, but because of a suggestion I made someone bought Peter Gabriel's PASSION and liked it--that's you, Andy Williams. Everyone else out there, don't doubt yourselves, PASSION is as ENIGMAtic as I hoped it would be. Buy it...pop it in...and feel the rush. Gavin, if I may ask, how did you get Cretu and manager to write you? And such a long letter? I'm curious...because I wouldn't know where to find the guy if you asked me... MATT Billsville, MA, USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 18:33:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: Thank you thank you... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Matt said - MJ> it in...and feel the rush. Gavin, if I may ask, how did you get Cretu MJ> manager to write you? And such a long letter? I'm curious...because I Ah, you don't know Gavin, yet! D * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:16:23 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Thank you thank you...iHi To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Matt. > it in...and feel the rush. Gavin, if I may ask, how did you get Cretu and > manager to write you? And such a long letter? I'm curious...because I > wouldn't know where to find the guy if you asked me... The answer is 2 years, a lot of letters, a lot of faxes, and corresponding with a lot of record companies. In summary, a lot of time and a lot of money!!!!! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 15:15:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Valeng Cha Subject: Thank you thank you...iHi To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > The answer is 2 years, a lot of letters, a lot of faxes, and corresponding > with a lot of record companies. In summary, a lot of time and a lot of > money!!!!! I commend anyone who can bring the attention of an international figure, especially one who we all love! I was kinda surprised though, when you said that he didn't read the FAQ! I'd read my own FAQ, wouldn't you? I'd be quite flattered actually! But then again he's probably used to all those fan letters...nothing new. Valeng cha@stolaf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:48:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: The Exclusive... To: Enigma Listserver That exclusive interview rules. I already cannot wait for Enigma 3--I want to be one of the first in Texas to get one (if not in the US, but fat chance of that happening!). Also, I am ALREADY planning to attend the concert--for the past three months, I have been dreaming about seeing Enigma in concert, and now my prayers have been answered by Mr. Cretu! I realize that the concert will probably be held in Europe somewhere, but I am prepared (I hope) to pay for a plane ticket over there and also to pay out the ass for a concert ticket. I *want* to see them live. Does anyone else share this desperate sentiment, or am I the only one that has dreamed this? Later! Cody(judge@jove.acs.unt.edu) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 95 14:13:26 CDT From: Jim English Subject: The Exclusive... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > That exclusive interview rules. I already cannot wait for Enigma > 3--I want to be one of the first in Texas to get one (if not in the US, > but fat chance of that happening!). > Also, I am ALREADY planning to attend the concert--for the past > three months, I have been dreaming about seeing Enigma in concert, and > now my prayers have been answered by Mr. Cretu! I realize that the > concert will probably be held in Europe somewhere, but I am prepared (I > hope) to pay for a plane ticket over there and also to pay out the ass > for a concert ticket. I *want* to see them live. Does anyone else share > this desperate sentiment, or am I the only one that has dreamed this? > Later! > here's a thought, will a live show basically be someone hitting return on a computer and letting the equipment/lasers/etc do the rest? Well, except for the singing. Or, what would really be cool is jamming with the loops and such in an on-the-fly remix. -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "I don't care if it rains or freezes/As long as I've got my plastic jesus/ Sitting on the dashboard of my car." ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Apr 95 13:52:53 EST From: kirin@digitals.com Subject: What about... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au What about the group single gun theory do you all think that that is Enigma-esque enough to warrant a listen? Eric (kirin@digitals.com) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 11:48:32 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: What about... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy. > What about the group single gun theory do you all think that that is > Enigma-esque enough to warrant a listen? I don't consider it Enigma-like at all...... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************