Enigma Digest June 1995 Volume 2 : Issue 6 'rare' sale items 24k Gold?!? (7 msgs) Advice on Sandra (7 msgs) Age of Innocence (2 msgs) Announcing Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage (4 msgs) Auction reminder (2 msgs) BG music boheme -Reply Boheme dislike: I concur CHART: Israel, 20.06.95 (fwd) Clarification: Enigma FAQ Special Offer CONQUEST OF PARADISE (4 msgs) Dao Dezi Deep Forest in Australia (2 msgs) Deep Forest Info? (2 msgs) Defense Part 2 (2 msgs) Delayed single (2 msgs) Desperately seeking AOS!!! Discography Now Searchable Via WWW enigma Enigma-digest V1 #53 (2 msgs) Enigma-digest V1 #70 (2 msgs) Enigma-like disc? (was Re: Sandra--The Beauty behind the voice?) Enigma-similarities (fwd) Enigma doing Nintendo? Enigma Video gidday! GIF Gold Discs Greetings greetings! (new member) (3 msgs) Hi (3 msgs) Introducing myself. Introduction (3 msgs) It's OK people ... Latest news from Enigma management LES FLAMES SONT INTERDITES! mailing list ettiqutte Marta's Song Martha's song MCMXC a.D.--Date Discrepency? (4 msgs) Me!! (2 msgs) My Home Work (3 msgs) My two cents... (2 msgs) New Album newbie looking for info New Enigma Member New Member (2 msgs) New member intro + questions New Member Introduction New member of mailing list New Sandra information New Subscriber new subscriber/fading shades album photo? (3 msgs) Pledge Drive re. Deep Forest latest Re: My Home Work Reminder: Sales/Auctions (2 msgs) Response to 'criticisms' Return To Innocence REVIEW: Hands on Yello by Yello (2 msgs) Sandra--The Beauty behind the voice? (4 msgs) Sandra - Nights in White Satin Some Fading Shades details Song from NBK SPECIAL OFFER: Enigma FAQ Take a 'lude, dude (2 msgs) Thanks for the DF/new member very late Welcome to enigma (4 msgs) WWW: Gavin Stok yet, another new member... Hello! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 95 05:39:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: 'rare' sale items To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au These prices I'll chop 30% + add some items - EE> 1. Mea Culpa part II (European edition) EE> US$10 EE> 2. Age of Loneliness (Australian Digipak) EE> US$10 EE> 3. MCMXC a.D. 'The Limited Edition' (Australian version) EE> US$40 prices on the following as stated - Deep Forest - Sweet Lullaby - USA ed. - single US$10 Deep Forest - Deep Forest - USA ed. - single US$10 Enigma - Age Of Loneliness - USA ed. - single US$15 Enigma - Cross Of Changes - Limited Edition - Gold US$25 Enigma Videos - Virgin Australia Compilations (PAL) US$20 Enigma MCMXCaD - The Complete Album Video (PAL) US$25 Sandra - - Close To Seven US$15 Sandra - - 18 Greatest Hits US$15 all items are new except Mea Cupla part II single. Sterling pounds, DM, US$ and A$ accepted. I will donate 10% of the gross to a local acceptable charity. Don P.O. Box 696 don.weir@mcc.com.au Manly, NSW 2095 Australia * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 04:40:45 -0700 From: trixx@ix.netcom.com (Vernon L Brooks Jr) Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi folks. I recently learned that there were actually a few disks produced on 24k gold?! In the car audio industry, this would be recognized as a great improvement in sound quality, and a lower noise floor. Are any of these still available in the US? ------- Vernon Brooks StereoWhiz@aol.com or Trixx@ix.netcom.com Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown Speaker Rattling In My Door... =============================================== Do you like the Internet? Wanna keep it? A bill is proposed in congress that would force carriers to scrutinize everything that passes through their wires, for anything obscene, lewd, etc. for fear of prosecution. This may sound far fetched, but check it out. HTTP://WWW.CDT.ORG/PETITION.HTML http://oo.com/~manik/wolfnet.html Or Email me for my $.02 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:46:49 -0400 From: istadnic@idirect.com (Iulian Stadniciuc) Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi folks. I recently learned that there were actually a few disks produced >on 24k gold?! In the car audio industry, this would be recognized as a >great improvement in sound quality, and a lower noise floor. Are any of >these still available in the US? >------- I don't know...You'd better check your local music store. I bought my 24k CD at Christmas 1994, so I'm not sure because it IS a limited edition CD.... Good Luck finding it... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 09:15:17 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Hi folks. I recently learned that there were actually a few disks produced > on 24k gold?! In the car audio industry, this would be recognized as a > great improvement in sound quality, and a lower noise floor. Then the car audio industry needs a serious lesson in how CDs work. Bits are bits, it doesn't matter what color the reflective surface is. The only reason to press "special-edition" CDs in gold is to make them seem worth the $25+/disc they seem to go for; they use so little actual gold in the process that it doesn't even increase the cost of pressing the disc. Having said that, the limited edition Cross of Changes was a gold CD everywhere as far as I know; haven't seen a copy lately though. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com - http://www.rt66.com/lazlo) ::: Search Nibble's Discographies! http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/DiscogSearch.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:37:21 -0400 From: istadnic@idirect.com (Iulian Stadniciuc) Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > The only reason to press "special-edition" CDs in gold is to make them >seem worth the $25+/disc they seem to go for; they use so little actual >gold in the process that it doesn't even increase the cost of pressing the >disc. The limited edition was selling for $25+/disc?!?!?!? I got it for just $16.99 (Canadian), while the normal CD was $15.99(Canadian). It seems a bit expensive to pay $25 for this limited edition CD, but there was more to it than just the 24k gold CD; it also contain three extra songs(remixes): 10) Return To Innocence (Long & Alive Version) 11) Age of Loneliness (Enigmatic Club Mix) 12) The Eyes of Truth (The Goetterdaemmerung Mix) Hope this helps... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 11:48:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Echols Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yes, I just bought another copy of Limited 24k gold Cross of Changes from the CD store at telnet cdconnection.com ( Sorry to plug the place again, but the have a decent Enigma selection and they are very reliable, at least for me ) ...and, yes, Enigma sounds good on my car stereo...and you can hear the difference between the regular and limited gold edtion if you keep the windows up. ( but, then again, that's no fun, is it? ) :) On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Vernon L Brooks Jr wrote: > Hi folks. I recently learned that there were actually a few disks produced > on 24k gold?! In the car audio industry, this would be recognized as a > great improvement in sound quality, and a lower noise floor. Are any of > these still available in the US? > ------- > Vernon Brooks > StereoWhiz@aol.com or Trixx@ix.netcom.com > > Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With > Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown > Speaker Rattling In My Door... > > =============================================== > Do you like the Internet? Wanna keep it? > A bill is proposed in congress that would force > carriers to scrutinize everything that passes > through their wires, for anything obscene, lewd, > etc. for fear of prosecution. This may sound > far fetched, but check it out. > > HTTP://WWW.CDT.ORG/PETITION.HTML > http://oo.com/~manik/wolfnet.html > > Or Email me for my $.02 > =============================================== > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:08:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Echols Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, Nibble Dude...you seem to disagree with the editors of Audiophile Magazine, the editor of The Absolute sound magazine, and several manufacturers who have changes the plastic in the CD process because it is more scratch resistant, more heat resistant and has better HIGH TONAL QUALITY. All of these people agree that disk color has an affect on sound quality on AT LEAST the upper spectrum of sound. Go grab two CDs that are exactly the same except for disk color and go to your local HI-FI store and play both disks on a tube amp system and you WILL hear the difference. The only possibility of this test not working with Enigma is if they remastered the gold CD before producing it, therefore changing the bits themselves. I am personally not an expert on this, but this is what I have read from some VERY well-known experts. If there is another school of thought on this, then I have not seen it, and would be interested in knowing about it. On Fri, 30 Jun 1995, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > Hi folks. I recently learned that there were actually a few disks produced > > on 24k gold?! In the car audio industry, this would be recognized as a > > great improvement in sound quality, and a lower noise floor. > > Then the car audio industry needs a serious lesson in how CDs work. Bits > are bits, it doesn't matter what color the reflective surface is. The > only reason to press "special-edition" CDs in gold is to make them seem > worth the $25+/disc they seem to go for; they use so little actual gold in > the process that it doesn't even increase the cost of pressing the disc. > > Having said that, the limited edition Cross of Changes was a gold CD > everywhere as far as I know; haven't seen a copy lately though. > > -- > ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com - http://www.rt66.com/lazlo) > ::: Search Nibble's Discographies! http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/DiscogSearch.html > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:51:30 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Well, Nibble Dude...you seem to disagree with the editors of Audiophile > Magazine, the editor of The Absolute sound magazine, and several > manufacturers who have changes the plastic in the CD process because it > is more scratch resistant, more heat resistant and has better HIGH TONAL > QUALITY. All of these people agree that disk color has an affect on > sound quality on AT LEAST the upper spectrum of sound. Uh-huh -- right. And how does this work, exactly? Magic? CDs are digital, Jason. A bit on the CD is either a 1 or a 0; there's either a pit there or there isn't. For changes in the color of the disc to affect the sound quality of the disc, a gold disc would have to return different data to the CD player than a silver disc. For it to sound *better* would require that the polycarbonate or the reflective surface "knew" how to twiddle the CD-format data to improve the sound quality. Gee, maybe all the record labels should press music onto a gold CD first, then read off the data, and master the regular CDs from the data stream the first player got off the gold disc! > The only possibility of this test not working with Enigma is if they > remastered the gold CD before producing it, therefore changing the bits > themselves. It's already been established that there are multiple masterings of The Cross Of Changes floating around out there. > Go grab two CDs that are exactly the same except for disk color and go > to your local HI-FI store and play both disks on a tube amp system and > you WILL hear the difference. That's because most gold CDs are also remastered, a la MFSL's issues. A remastered silver CD will sound exactly the same as a remastered gold CD if they both come from the same digital master. > I am personally not an expert on this... Really? I never would have suspected -- you spout unsubstantiated garbage like a complete *pro*. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com - http://www.rt66.com/lazlo) ::: Search Nibble's Discographies! http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/DiscogSearch.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 22:24:08 From: Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I m new to the list. My name is Clarence and I m 30. I have Enigma CDs, MCMXC a.D and Return to Innocence. To be honest, when I first heard them, I wasn't really a fan..there wasn't really much on "the voice of enigma" but after listening to "sadness" and "back to the rivers of belief" I thought they were great. I listen to a whole lot of other artiste like Pink Floyd, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Depeche Mod, Erasure, Kraftwerk, Cranberries, Brian Eno, U2, Pat Metheny, Robert Plant, Police and so on... I own a recording studio but work as an corporate auditor with aetna, malaysia. Otherwise, I m a decent guitarist and a bit of a keyboardist and have a jam session with my band every other week. Bye. -- Clarence Lit ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 17:39:07 -0600 (MDT) From: "Eric T. Schaffner" Subject: Advice on Sandra To: The Enigma Mailing List Which Sandra album do you all recommend I buy and why: "Paintings in Yellow" or "Close to Seven" Thanks, -Eric ------Eric T. Schaffner------MCD Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder------ Mail: schaffet@Colorado.EDU WWW: http://ucsub.Colorado.EDU/~schaffet/Home.html "Sade, es-tu diabolique ou divin?" -CMC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:17:44 -0400 From: christ@li.net (Christian) Subject: Advice on Sandra To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Both, cause both of them are excellent. Christian.. Long Island, New York >Which Sandra album do you all recommend I buy and why: >"Paintings in Yellow" or "Close to Seven" > >Thanks, >-Eric >------Eric T. Schaffner------MCD Biology, University of Colorado, Boulder------ >Mail: schaffet@Colorado.EDU WWW: http://ucsub.Colorado.EDU/~schaffet/Home.html > "Sade, es-tu diabolique ou divin?" -CMC > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:29:51 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Advice on Sandra To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > Which Sandra album do you all recommend I buy and why: > "Paintings in Yellow" or "Close to Seven" If you're an Enigma fan buying your first Sandra album, I'd recommend Close To Seven, since it's the closest thing to an Engima album she's released (caveat: I haven't heard Fading Shades yet). My favorite Sandra album is probably Into A Secret Land, though, probably because it was my first. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com - http://www.rt66.com/lazlo) ::: Search Nibble's Discographies! http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/DiscogSearch.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:57:02 GMT From: harry@g3server.sc.ti.com (Harry Ahluwalia) Subject: Advice on Sandra To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Which Sandra album do you all recommend I buy and why: > "Paintings in Yellow" or "Close to Seven" I have not heard "Close to Seven" although I am getting very curious and would like to have it. But I do have "Paintings In Yellow"; I think it is one of the best I've ever heard. The other album I have is "Everlasting Love" (US Release), I think in Europe it's called "Into A Secret Land". I find the music of "Paintings In Yellow" very deep and rich. If you like that sort of music (heavy bass) then I would recommend this one. I have not heard of "Fading Shades" either - cannot comment on it. Regards, Heminder Ahluwalia. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 01:29:39 -0500 (CDT) From: TAIPAN@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU Subject: Advice on Sandra To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au My advice is to buy all Sandra's albums if they are all available, but if you don't want to spend too much, then I will suggest you buy her greatest hits. It contains 18 of her greatest songs, thought I still think they should some more in it. It has some songs from all her albums up to the date it released. Hey, that CD is well worth it, that one is the only Sandra CD I got and I think it's one of my all time favor. If I were you, I would just grab this greatest hit without hesitation. Jeremy Fung ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:23:49 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Advice on Sandra To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Eric. > Which Sandra album do you all recommend I buy and why: > "Paintings in Yellow" or "Close to Seven" I personally prefer "Close to Seven" over "Paintings in Yellow" for the reason that it is more Enigma-sounding through its samples and style, and because it's songs are both varied and don't get stale or boring with time. I found that "Paintings in Yellow" was more 'European pop' sounding and didn't have as many catchy or original tunes that Michael Cretu is known for. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 01:24:08 +0100 (BST) From: "The Silver-Flag Boy" Subject: Advice on Sandra To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I have not heard of "Fading Shades" either - cannot comment on it. I got it in Sweden -- doesn't seem to be easy to get in Britain. My first impression is that is is a little too boppy -- but that pure seductive voice remains. The opening and closing tracks are Enigma-like instrumentals. at the moment, the track which stands out for me is "Son of a Time Machine", meaningful in the vein of "Children of England" (from "Into a Secret Land" (which remains my favourite Sandra album)). A song which has a rather personal meaning for me :) Alex ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CGCE, 108 Holly Cross, Keele, Staffordshire, ST5 5JB u3a97@cc.keele.ac.uk Children of England, why do you run for your lives, When you need someone I'm gonna show? Sandra ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 95 12:29:00 C From: Stefan Bartelski Subject: Age of Innocence To: "'Enigma Mailing List'" As a new subscriber to this forum, and non too knowledgeable fan could anyone out there please enlighten me as to the source and singer of the chant on the Age of Innocence. Who is 'Angel' as listed in the credits? TTFN ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 21:00:13 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Age of Innocence To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Stefan, > As a new subscriber to this forum, and non too knowledgeable fan could > anyone out there please enlighten me as to the source and singer of the > chant on the Age of Innocence. Who is 'Angel' as listed in the credits? 'Age Of Innocence' would most likely refer to 'Age Of Loneliness', which is the proper title, but since you speak of Angel I guess you're thinking of 'Return To Innocence'... Angel is Andy (Andreas) Hard, a 27 year old singer from Munich. He released an album in 1993 called Welcome To The Soul Asylum, from which at least one single was released - In The Name Of Love. Not surprisingly, Michael Cretu and also Jens Gad helped in the making of this album, as producers, musicians and writers. Cretu is working on a new album by Angel which should be out later this year, I'd guess. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 03:52:21 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Announcing Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I am pleased to present Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage. Containing all of the Sandra information previously found on the Enigma web page, it also features new files. You will find the latest news on the release plans for the new album and single (including a picture of the new album), lyrics to most of Sandra's songs, a comprehensive discography with many cover scans, a large picture collection, and more. The address for the page is: http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Sandra.html Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 19:02:03 -0500 (CDT) From: deicide@rci.ripco.com (Tomi Koivusaari) Subject: Announcing Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I am pleased to present Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage. > Containing all of the Sandra information previously found on the Enigma > web page, it also features new files. You will find the latest news on > the release plans for the new album and single (including a picture of > the new album), lyrics to most of Sandra's songs, a comprehensive > discography with many cover scans, a large picture collection, and more. > The address for the page is: > > http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Sandra.html > Hey... Antti Nuoreva (on the list) suggested you might know of the address for Virgin in germany or uk where i can order Sandra's video's. Can you help me in any way with that? Also please see what you 2 can do with those pics, i wanna see them all, and if you can put them all on the homepage it would be amazing.... l8rs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 20:08:00 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Announcing Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Jun 12, 7:02pm, Tomi Koivusaari wrote: > > I am pleased to present Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage. > > Containing all of the Sandra information previously found on the Enigma > > web page, it also features new files. You will find the latest news on > > the release plans for the new album and single (including a picture of > > the new album), lyrics to most of Sandra's songs, a comprehensive > > discography with many cover scans, a large picture collection, and more. > > The address for the page is: > > > > http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Sandra.html > > Hey... Antti Nuoreva (on the list) suggested you might know of the address > for Virgin in germany or uk where i can order Sandra's video's. Can you help > me in any way with that? Virgin Germany is: Virgin Schallplatten GmbH 64 Herzogstrasse 80803 Munchen 40 GERMANY Virgin UK is: Virgin Records Ltd. Kensal House 553-559 Harrow Road London W10 4RH ENGLAND I hope this helps! > Also please see what you 2 can do with those pics, i wanna see them all, and > if you can put them all on the homepage it would be amazing.... l8rs The pictures Tomi is referring to is an extensive collection of Sandra pictures that Antti Nuoreva has. The size of this collection is such that I can't store them on this machine, so if anybody has got room for some 14 Mb of FTP space let me know. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 16:07:33 -0500 (CDT) From: deicide@rci.ripco.com (Tomi Koivusaari) Subject: Announcing Into A Secret Land - The Sandra Homepage To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > On Jun 12, 7:02pm, Tomi Koivusaari wrote: > > Also please see what you 2 can do with those pics, i wanna see them all, and > > if you can put them all on the homepage it would be amazing.... l8rs > > The pictures Tomi is referring to is an extensive collection of Sandra > pictures that Antti Nuoreva has. The size of this collection is such that I > can't store them on this machine, so if anybody has got room for some 14 Mb > of FTP space let me know. > > > Joar > Well actually i can hold that and more here on my site, but i do not have a home page. If any other users want to hold them go ahead, but if not i can fill that job if someone can help me with designing the home page... it's also a pretty fast site, so it should be good enough for europeans (and australians if there are any on the list...). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 15:02:22 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Auction reminder To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just a reminder to you all that the special auction of Enigma items to raise money to cover costs of this mailing list finishes in 1 week. The items up for grabs (along with highest current bid) are: 1. Mea Culpa part II (European edition) US$10 2. Age of Loneliness (Australian Digipak) US$10 3. MCMXC a.D. 'The Limited Edition' (Australian version) US$40 Conditions as per the previous post. Please remember that these goods were bought especially for members of the mailing list (I already own them!) and all money goes towards costs (faxing, posting, phone calls, etc.) Regards, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 10:11:15 -0700 From: swampgtr@ix.netcom.com (Jeffrey Lee Parsons ) Subject: Auction reminder To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >1. Mea Culpa part II (European edition) > US$10 >SwampGator Bids US$11 >2. Age of Loneliness (Australian Digipak) > US$10 >>SwampGator Bids US$11 >3. MCMXC a.D. 'The Limited Edition' (Australian version) > US$40 >SwampGator Bids US$41 Although I am new to the list, I due appreciate the work you have put into this list. Thank you for providing this information to the rest of us. Also, being new not only to this list, but the Internet itself, please let me know if I am doing anything wrong. Thanks, Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 08:31:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Francisco Subject: BG music To: enigma list Hello all. I recently had access to the WWW and saw the FAQ. My acct at home can't do that. I noticed the part in the FAQ that discusses where Enigma music has been heard as background for some other thing. A bit more than a year ago I put together a 4:22 piece on Topiary Dinosaurs at Longwood Gardens in Pennsylvania. The voice is that of Robert Bakker, a noted paleontologist who advised on Jurassic Park. The background music is from Callas Went Away (selected segments). This piece is seen every month or so on the PBS TV station in Philadelphia as filler between programs. That is my employer and that is the purpose for which I put the piece together. Those of us in the Philadelphia area in the US of A can see it. These little pieces are not distributed, so it isn't seen elsewhere :-( . I have submitted it for a local Emmy competition and will keep the list advised - awards are given late in September. BTW, the music fits the look of the piece - prehistoric open/green space where Dinos would live - almost perfectly :-) Another place the music shows up, for the FAQ, if you want. Don Francisco, one of the more senior members of the list... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 18:38:22 -0600 From: jreed@wppost.depaul.edu Subject: boheme -Reply To: David_Lincoln@vie.co.uk, enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA24355 for enigma-outgoing; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:27:21 +1000 Received: from ALPHA1.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU (vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.1]) by yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA24312 for ; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:26:19 +1000 Received: from relay1.pipex.net ("port 1040"@relay1.pipex.net) by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V4.3-12 #8933) id <01HR4IWJZSE8A5XF7G@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>; Tue, 30 May 1995 19:26:14 +1000 Received: from mailhost.vie.co.uk by flow.pipex.net with SMTP (PP); Tue, 30 May 1995 10:24:34 +0100 Received: from ccMail by mailhost.vie.co.uk (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04a) id fcae44b0; Tue, 30 May 95 10:24:27 +0100 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-description: cc:Mail note part Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au hello there y'all, still new to this internet thing - so bear with me! sorry, but not all that impressed after 3 listens to boheme. For me, a little heavy on the strange lyrics and far too light on the melody. Nothing here to match 'sweet lullaby' or some of the other tracks of the first cd. why is it that so many artists find it hard to live up to the promises of the first recording? Still maybe it will grow on me! (nice artwork on the cover tho) On another note, has anyone heard/liked b-tribe?? I quite liked their cd - nice melody, even if the gutiars sometimes got annoying. They seem to fit in with enigma / deep forest etc. with their own niche. until next time, Dave david_lincoln@vie.co.uk <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I think b-tribe is really cool. I had never even heard of them until my roommate put the cd on one day earlier this year. I like the Spanish rhythms. I think they are more like deep forest than enigma though. later, Jen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 15:29:57 +0800 (WST) From: Jamie P Yoon Subject: Boheme dislike: I concur To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > sorry, but not all that impressed after 3 listens to boheme. For me, a > little heavy on the strange lyrics and far too light on the melody. > Nothing here to match 'sweet lullaby' or some of the other tracks of > the first cd. why is it that so many artists find it hard to live up > to the promises of the first recording? > Still maybe it will grow on me! (nice artwork on the cover tho) > > > On another note, has anyone heard/liked b-tribe?? I quite liked their > cd - nice melody, even if the gutiars sometimes got annoying. They > seem to fit in with enigma / deep forest etc. with their own niche. Yes, I agree; too heavy on the strange lyrics and far too light on the melody. I didn't like 'sweet lullaby' anyway: I personally think that comparing Enigma to Deep Forest is a sin ;) However, the choice of gypsy(?) type material sounds quite exciting and could open many doors. Maybe the rest of the album is good? I do find that Deep Forest use ethnic sounds: ethnicity, for ethnicity's sake: they use them because they are ethnic, rather than sounding good. Its for this reason I find that Enigma is superior, since I feel that Cretu is concentrating on the aural aesthetics of the sounds. In other words; the samples he uses just sound good, and it just so happens that they are ethnic of origin. With reference to the "too light on the melody", I find that Deep Forest's supporting music structure around the ethnic chants/sounds to be very thin, and not very imaginative. Contrast this to Cretu: he uses ethnic sounds, yes, but he uses them constructively, and the rest of his supporting structure has equal weighting to them. Hence, I think Enigma has a different objective, and one I prefer to Deep Forest. To this end, I think B-Tribe is great. The spanish flamenco is spicy and seductive, and riffs melodically aesthetic. However, I did find that some of their chants were a bit strange and "counter-productive" Contrast this to Enigma. With the exception of Cretu's heavy german whining on Out From the Deep (heresy!), all his music SOUNDS good, from the Gregorian chants of MCMXCad, the seductive husky voice of Sandra, the rhythms, the shinkansen flute, and the riffs, to the Indian operatic voices and instruments of Cross of Changes. Regards, Jamie back to the books (sigh) -- | Jamie P. Yoon, Apple Student Rep, University of WA _-_|\ | | PowerBook powered, IIgs fanatic, and.... / OZ | | | INTERNET JUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! I live here =======> X_.-._/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 19:40:46 GMT From: joarg@gribb.hsr.no (Grimstvedt, Joar) Subject: CHART: Israel, 20.06.95 (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au While browsing rec.music.misc, I came across the chart for Israel, posted by Gleb Shadeck (c1021351@techst02.technion.ac.il). Although Sandra generally hasn't done well with Nights In White Satin, there's one country where she tops the chart: >Here is the Israeli Top 30 for the week ending on the 20th of June: > >TW LW WIC >1 2 4 Nights In White Satin - Sandra <1st week at #1> Good going! It was also nice to see that the number two single was a Norwegian artist... :) >2 1 5 Nocturne - Secret Garden <#1> (rest of chart deleted) Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 18:13:38 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Clarification: Enigma FAQ Special Offer To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au After writing my special offer to the list I remembered some things which are important: 1. The Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope must be A4 sized - the FAQ cannot be folded! 2. The Stampage on the envelope must be sufficient for the A4 sized envelope containing around 250-300g of weight.... I will not be checking whether the stampage is correct so please ensure it is the right amount from Australia to where you live! Cheers, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** PS - Bids in the auction must be in whole dollar amounts!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:24:58 -0400 From: Matthew S Jeffers Subject: CONQUEST OF PARADISE To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au A while back I heard something on the list about a track off the soundtrack to "1492: CONQUEST OF PARADISE" being very Enigma-like. The song was, I think, called NINA PINTA, and SANTA MARIA after Columbus's ships. I have not found the soundtrack CD anywhere, and can't even find the movie at Blockbuster's (a massive video rental store for those non-USA people) (1). What's the correct title and artist of the song? (2). Where can I get a hold of it on CD? (3). Was a soundtrack album to this movie (is the title even right?) ever released? On another note: Enigma music was used fairly prominently in the recent film EXIT TO EDEN (starring Dana Delaney, c. 1994). Two songs (principles of lust and something else) were given credit in the song listing at the end of the film. However, I heard Enigma-like sounds in the movie that I've never heard, and I was just wondering if there are indeed cuts from Enigma that don't appear on either of the two albums? ANYONE? ANYONE? MATT 98msj@williams.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 18:24:19 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: CONQUEST OF PARADISE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Matthew. > A while back I heard something on the list about a track off the > soundtrack to "1492: CONQUEST OF PARADISE" being very Enigma-like. The > song was, I think, called NINA PINTA, and SANTA MARIA after Columbus's > ships. I have not found the soundtrack CD anywhere, and can't even > find the movie at Blockbuster's (a massive video rental store for > those non-USA people) > (1). What's the correct title and artist of the song? The CD was released world-wide so it should be somewhere! The artist is Vangelis, the soundtrack is "1492: Conquent of Paradise". In Australia it was released on eastwest records, catalog #4509-91014-2. The actual track "Pinta, Nina, Santa Maria (Into Eternity) was never released as a single. > (2). Where can I get a hold of it on CD? Your local record store should have it - it is not rare at all. > (3). Was a soundtrack album to this movie (is the title even right?) > ever released? The ALBUM is 1492. Only one single was released from the album called "Conquest of Paradise" which was only released in Europe. > On another note: Enigma music was used fairly prominently in the > recent film EXIT TO EDEN (starring Dana Delaney, c. 1994). Two songs > (principles of lust and something else) were given credit in the song > listing at the end of the film. However, I heard Enigma-like sounds > in the movie that I've never heard, and I was just wondering if there > are indeed cuts from Enigma that don't appear on either of the two > albums? ANYONE? ANYONE? Haven't seen or heard it myself.... any chance of you supplying me with exactly what tracks (and mix if necessary) were used? Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 08:31:13 --100 From: v922259@si.hhs.nl Subject: CONQUEST OF PARADISE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > From: Matthew S Jeffers > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 23:24:58 -0400 > Subject: CONQUEST OF PARADISE > > A while back I heard something on the list about a track off the > soundtrack to "1492: CONQUEST OF PARADISE" being very Enigma-like. > (3). Was a soundtrack album to this movie (is the title even right?) > ever released? Yes, it's the soundtrack "1492" by Vangelis, released in 1992. At this moment, it is nr 2 in the Netherlands!!!! (!!) And the single "Conquest of Paradise" is nr 1 for 7 weeks now (!!)!!! Anyway, I think you should buy it, it's a great CD. There are 2 singles released from this album, "Conquest of Paradise" and Twenty-eight Parallel, which is a piano-version of Conquest... BTW: Delerium sampled some stuff off this CD. > MATT > 98msj@williams.edu Coen v/d Geest v922259@si.hhs.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 16:42:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Jason Echols Subject: CONQUEST OF PARADISE To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au If you think this is bad...try subscribing to the Depeche Mode mailing list (100+ messages a day)... ANYWAY...I know this is a long shot, but does anyone know where I can get a copy of the limited edition MCMXCaD hologram disk? Or am I dreaming? :) - Jason " Kewl sig file not available through temporary non-slip connection " On Thu, 22 Jun 1995 ddamien@ibm.net wrote: > Please UNSUBSCIBE ME, too much Junk mail > > //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > // This is an example signature. > // You can change the signature in the Letter 1 > // settings page. See Settings on Letter Menu. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 10:13:36 +0200 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: Dao Dezi To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Dao Dezi (DD)seems to be a project of Eric Mouquet, because Sanchez is listed only on some tracks playing a few synths. It was released by a different company as DF: DF is released by Sony Music France, DD by Eric Mouquet Music and Guill ....... (Sorry, Forgot the name of this man) Music, distributed by EMI France. The songs on the album mainly are Keltish folksongs from the Brittany and Normandy regions in France, together with some new songs written by Mou- quet. Most songs include lyrics (only Keltish). Most Songs sound like Techno/Euro. The album version of Ti Eliz Iza is not a very good representation of the album. I love the album, even though it's a bit to weird for me in some places. Other than Ti Eliz Iza especially track 1: "Hebrides" and track 5/6: "Tri Matelod" are very good. That's about all I have to say about DD. Alexander lint (ALint@ET.TUDelft.NL) On Wed, 31 May 1995, Dinh Le wrote: > Does anyone out there have any info on this Dao Dezi group? I got their > single "Ti Eliz Iza" not to long ago and love it. Like: > Why did Monquet and Sanchez used the name Dao Dezi instead of Deep Forest? > Where did the chanting come from? > When, if ever is the whole album going to be realeased in the US? > You get the idea.... > > > Dinh LE > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:04:12 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Deep Forest in Australia To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Just a quick note to advise Australian members that Deep Forest's "Marta's Song" (from the soundtrack to "Pret a Porter" and Deep Forest's upcoming album "Boehme") is now available in Australia. It has no remixes, but instead has the radio edit and album version of the song along with another track (b-side?) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:56:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Dinh Le Subject: Deep Forest in Australia To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sat, 3 Jun 1995, Enigmatic wrote: > Just a quick note to advise Australian members that Deep Forest's "Marta's > Song" (from the soundtrack to "Pret a Porter" and Deep Forest's upcoming album > "Boehme") is now available in Australia. It has no remixes, but instead has the > radio edit and album version of the song along with another track (b-side?) Too bad for you guys there in Australia, because we here in the states there are four mixes to Marta's song and three of them are really quite good, esp the Deep Forest mix. Finally we get something here in the States that you guys don't get down under. Dinh LE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 15:44:40 -500 (CDT) From: Alfredo Cruz Subject: Deep Forest Info? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does ANYONE know where UPDATED "Deep Forest" information (FAQ, DISCOGRAPHY) exists? The last places I've seen are badly outdated! I'm looking to see if any variations exist for the new "Boheme" CD. Here in the states, the CD came out along with the CD single "Martha's Song." "Martha's Song" has a few remixes added along for good measure. Any variations on that CD single?? Is there a single place where I can check/update "Deep Forest" info?? P.S. -- I'm also willing to scan any of the images that I've got! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Alfredo B. Cruz /|/////| /| /| /| /| + Chairman, Department of Art |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| + Our Lady of the Lake University |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| + 411 S. W. 24th Street |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| |/| + San Antonio, Texas 78207-4689 |/|___|/| |/|____ |/|____ |/|___|/| + (210) 434-6711, X-435 |/////// |////// |////// |/////// +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ D E P A R T M E N T O F A R T +++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 19:13:52 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Deep Forest Info? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Alfredo. > Does ANYONE know where UPDATED "Deep Forest" information (FAQ, > DISCOGRAPHY) exists? The last places I've seen are badly outdated! The official location for this is at the Sony Music WWW site.... TO get directly to Deep Forest, go to http://www.music.sony.com/Music/ArtistInfo/DeepForest.html It contains press releases, covers, etc. on all Deep Forest albums. > I'm looking to see if any variations exist for the new "Boheme" CD. > Here in the states, the CD came out along with the CD single "Martha's > Song." "Martha's Song" has a few remixes added along for good measure. > Any variations on that CD single?? All versions of the CD single I know of are nowhere as good as the US release. In Australia and Europe it was released as a 3-track single: 1. Radio Edit 2. Cafe Europa [??] <-- some b-side or track from a soundtrack 3. Album Version > Is there a single place where I can check/update "Deep Forest" info?? See above..... Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 1995 13:26:28 U From: "Antezana, Luis" Subject: Defense Part 2 To: "Enigma List" To J Li, who lambasted Gavin Stok for posting his review of Yello's remix LP, I have a couple things to say: 1. I hope you read my last post in support of Gavin's credibility 2. You are being hypocritical by flaming Gavin's Yello review, saying it has no place on this list and then posting your own review, which includes mention of the ambient aspects of Yello's music which would indeed make it somewhat relevant to this list. 3. Massengill makes a wonderful douche for that not-so-fresh feeling that seems to trouble you so. Lucky Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 15:17:33 -0500 From: jl@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (J. Li) Subject: Defense Part 2 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >From: "Antezana, Luis" >Date: 26 Jun 1995 13:26:28 U >Subject: Defense Part 2 > >To J Li, who lambasted Gavin Stok for posting his review of Yello's remix LP, >I have a couple things to say: >1. I hope you read my last post in support of Gavin's credibility I have read your post, but I have no doubt of Stok's credibility in the first place. I have doubts about his judgement as to whether the music of Yello really belongs here. >2. You are being hypocritical by flaming Gavin's Yello review, saying it has >no place on this list and then posting your own review, which includes >mention of the ambient aspects of Yello's music which would indeed make it >somewhat relevant to this list. Read my post, buddy. My "review" was simply a positive look at the Hands on Yello album, whose image was discredited by no one by Stok himself. I simply do not want people to be left with a negative image of the album. If Stok have not started his review, I simply won't say anything about my impression of Yello on this group. IF simply being "AMBIENT" would make music "SOMEWHAT RELEVANT" to this list, I think we're in big trouble. There are many musicians who make music that are ambient in nature, but few of them come close to what Enigma has achieved in their music, and are of little interest to reader of this list. >3. Massengill makes a wonderful douche for that not-so-fresh feeling that >seems to trouble you so. Don't know what you're talking about. Ask you doctor about Fluoxetine. ______ Excerpt from "Welcome to the list" by Gavin Stok: "THE GOLDEN RULES 1. Please keep the discussion on the list confined to that revolving around Enigma, the people involved in Enigma, and bands of likeness. For example, while Crowded House may be a great band, most members of the list don't really care since it's not related to Enigma. 2. Should you wish to sell merchandise DO NOT post it to the mailing list...." Apparently Stok sent me a message, indicating that "Yello is related to Enigma. They both make electronic music, they both are very experimental in their style, Enigma has used Yello samples, and Yello has used Enigma samples" If the criteria of being "electronic" and "very experimental" are both met, in addition to being ambient, let this group run wide and let me introduce you to the Orb. Great group, most members of the list don't really care since it's not related to Enigma. As for Samples, IMHO, can only loosely be related to the topics here. Jam & Spoon mixes DF and also samples from them too; in addition to thousands of DJ's who sample from Enigma, DF, etc. Please tell us as to which samples of Enigma and Yello are used, as some readers might be more interested in this than the Yello review. EOT JL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:58:48 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Delayed single To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The release of the second single (Won't Run Away) from Sandra's coming album has been delayed to end of June/early July. The album is still scheduled for release on June 12, though. These dates apply to Norway, but I guess they should be valid for other European countries as well. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 16:54:32 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Delayed single To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > The release of the second single (Won't Run Away) from Sandra's coming > album has been delayed to end of June/early July. The album is still > scheduled for release on June 12, though. These dates apply to Norway, > but I guess they should be valid for other European countries as well. Looks to me like they're either going to hope her first single starts charting well again or add some remixes to the next single. This is all in my opinion of course (no record company rumors to report on this one!) Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:39:59 -0400 (EDT) From: John Fuller Subject: Desperately seeking AOS!!! To: enigma Hi all-- I'm looking, desperately, for a group on the Natural Born Killers soundtrack-- AOS doing a song called History (Repeats Itself). The song is edited for the soundtrack, but is copyrighted 1994, CIM (Gema), used courtesy of Thamos Productions. AOS, incidentally, is a very DCD-ish, Enigma-sounding band. If you don't have the NBK soundtrack, it's almost worth buying it for this one song. But of course, having fallen in love, I can't find anything by a group called AOS *anywhere*. It's as if they don't exist. I'm beginning to think they're some obscure European-type group, but I'm not sure. The NBK cd label credits k. buhlert, t. wilbrandt, and f. lovsky for the song. Help finding anything else by them or about them-- cd, vinyl, tape, 8-track, reel-to-reel, betamax, whatever the format, I don't care-- is most appreciated. It seems that no one in the country (US) has ever heard of them, but I can't believe they just wafted onto a Trent Reznor/Oliver Stone soundtrack from the ethereal regions of some parallel universe. ANY help appreciated. E-mail welcome. Amy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 21:10:48 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Discography Now Searchable Via WWW To: ztt@xmission.com (ZTT), yello@cs.uwp.edu (Yello), Apologies to the many people who will see this message more than once. It *is* directly relevant to all the lists that are recieving it. The discography is now searchable over the World Wide Web. I've set up a simple forms-based search engine at: http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/DiscogSearch.html Check it out and let me know what you think. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com - http://www.rt66.com/lazlo) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 95 2:56:25 EDT From: stgoh@chat.carleton.ca (SIAU-TONG GOH) Subject: enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au For all fans of Enigma & DF I am here to do my "homeworks". Firstly, gotta say "thank you" to all people who make me come closer to the mysterious Enigma & Deep Forest. Okey, here are somethings about myself. Name: Siau-Tong ,GOH Age : 22 Nationality: Malaysian Course i'm doing: Eletrical Engineering in Carleton U, Ottawa, Canada. Enigma collection: 1. MCMXC a.D. 2. MCMXC a.D.(The limited edition) 3. Sadeness Part1 4. Mea Culpa 5. The Cross of Changes 6. Carly's Song 7. The Eye of Truths 8. Return To Innocence And some more i left in M'sia for my brother. First heard Enigma: In fact, the first Gregorian Chat i heard is "so sad" (very similar to sadeness) from Gregorian(in 1991). That CD is called "Sadisfaction" which produced by F.Gregorian. That is an excellent product.Another good song from this CD is "Once In A Lifetime". After that, I started falling in love with and searching for (actually, i've been searching) this type of music. At the same year(1991), a female friend of mine introducted Enigma1 to me. That started the "love story" between Enigma & me. BTW, I'd call myself a big fan of Enigma & DF. Other artist i like: Dead Can Dance, KLF, Cranberries, Frente, Shakespears Sister, Yanni, Erasure, Cantaloop, Micheal Learns To Rock, Sarah Brightman, Pet Shop Boys, Guns N Roses and more. Comment: I am somewhat disappointed on Enigma2 since it's quite diffrent from Enigma1. I am looking forward to more Gregorian Chat from Enigma3. BTW, can anyone out there tell me what "sweet lullaby" & "mea culpa" mean. Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ENIGMA+MCMXC a.D. Carleton University Email address: stgoh@chat.carleton.ca "Somewhere deep in the jungle,are living some little men and women. They are your past.Maybe......and maybe they are your future." -Deep Forest ||||||||||||||||||||||||PERMAS KUKUP|||||||||||||||||||||| !!!!!!!!!!!!!!MILAN ASSOCIAZIONE CALCIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:06:32 -0500 (CDT) From: 951DDIXON@MERLIN.NLU.EDU Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #53 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >>From: "Brian C. Jones" >>Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:37:33 -0500 (CDT) >>Subject: New member of mailing list >>Hi, I'm a new member of this mailing list and am sending forth this >>intro, as per the request in the FAQ..... >>My name is Brian, I am 21 years old and I am a Communications major at >>Mississippi State University, USA. I am also a disc jockey at WMUW, a >>local college station, where I do a Sunday evening >>ambient/ethereal/space/world music oriented air shift. I joined this >>list as a way to track down artists, albums, etc. which I'm unaware of..... Hi Brian, I am a DJ too, and a neighbor to the West. I also host a program featuring space, new age, ambient and ethereal music. As far as tracking down music of which you are unaware, you need to ask Van Roberts about looking at "New Age Voice. That is the publication he has been sending his "Music of the Spheres" Top 20 to. It's a great source for finding out what is going on out there. Keep in touch. Don Dixon >> 951ddixon@merlin.nlu.edu << KEDM 225 Stubbs Hall Monroe, LA 71209 (318) 342-5556 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 11:51:21 -0500 From: "Brian C. Jones" Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #53 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Yeah, I know Van pretty well. We cross-reference our shows, and I get a lot of my new music from him.....how exactly would I go about submitting a top 20 list? Keep in touch.... Brian Jones WMUW bcj2@ra.msstate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 14:31:50 -0700 From: trixx@ix.netcom.com (Vernon L Brooks Jr) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #70 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Really? I never would have suspected -- you spout unsubstantiated garbage >like a complete *pro*. Hey, now... Is that neccessary? It was a simple question, and I believe the editors of all of the magazines that I read on the issue, including but not limited to, Audiophile, Stereo Review, Car Stereo Review, Car Audio and Electronics, and many others,.....who are authorities in this area. Although it is beyond even MY technical expertise....let me rephrase that...It is not in my area of concentration, I was merely quoting the audio industry magazines as a whole. So am I to take it that you are denouncing the whole inndustry? Better check yo'self. ------- Vernon Brooks StereoWhiz@aol.com or Trixx@ix.netcom.com Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown Speaker Rattling In My Door... =============================================== Do you like the Internet? Wanna keep it? A bill is proposed in congress that would force carriers to scrutinize everything that passes through their wires, for anything obscene, lewd, etc. for fear of prosecution. This may sound far fetched, but check it out. HTTP://WWW.CDT.ORG/PETITION.HTML http://oo.com/~manik/wolfnet.html Or Email me for my $.02 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 22:19:55 -0400 From: Spectral69@AOL.COM Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #70 To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, enigma-digest@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ah! the audiophile beast has raised its ugly head here! a gold disk does not change the way that bits are interpreted because of "its color" for it is indeed correct to assume that "bits are bits"...but, what is inherently superior about a gold disk is the way in which it allows those bits to be interpreted...specifically, a 24k gold plated disk is a far-less imperfect surface onto which the pits are etched than the standard aluminum coating...what this does (at the miicroscopic level and at angstrom wavelengths) is reduce the occurrance of error-correction thus maintaining more accurate data interpretation (viz. bits-is-bits instead of psuedo-bits-passing-for-bits)...also, the sonic improvements that can be gained from such disks are not going to be realized on your garden variety department store cd players (and for that matter, department store receivers, speakers, wire, etc.)...the differences are there to be had however but an investment in both time and money are required (like any education) to reach a level of appreciation for the finer things that audio reproduction has to offer...in other words, learn to appreciate the equipment you have to its fullest then seek out advise on how it can be bettered...it takes time but it can be worth it (but, and this is a very important but: never loose sight of what it is all about, it is the music not the equipment that is important! ) Brad (who has been on this list for many, many months but has never done his homework!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 8:24:14 +0700 (PDT) From: claudio@ixi.COM Subject: Enigma-like disc? (was Re: Sandra--The Beauty behind the voice?) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > BTW, a while back someone was talking about a Sandra disc that sounded a bit > like Enigma with spoken vocals (I think they used the words "European vocals"). > What disc was that? I have only heard Sandra's poppy 80's-style stuff... It's probably "Close To Seven". A couple of tracks on there have the Enigma feel to them. Especially the last track "Your Way To India". Damn fine album! :-) claudio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 12:05:23 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Enigma-similarities (fwd) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au The following music was suggested in a message from Brad Warner (westend@tyrell.net). Joar ********** Software "Modesty Blaze" both this and its sequel are great recordings that have similarities to Enigma. "modesty..." actually was in the works months before MCMXC a.D. and used Gregorian chants even though Cretu has no artistic connection to Micheal Weisser, Software founder. Megabyte "Island Energy" somewhere in between Jean Michel Jarre and Enigma in parts. Craig Peyton "the Web" what Cretu did with chants, Peyton does with jazz samples and influences. Trilithon "Trance Dance 128"similar to the remix of the EYES of Truth. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:36:31 -0700 From: trixx@ix.netcom.com (Vernon Brooks ) Subject: Enigma doing Nintendo? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have a question. I had a Nintendo game a while back, called Populous. It was sort of a "SimCity" rip off, but a good game nonetheless. My question is whether 'Enigma' (or any part of) had worked on the music for the game. I don't mean this as an insult to anyone's musical status, or whatever. But the music in a section of the game is exactly the same as (or extremely similar to) the 4th track on the Age of Loneliness CD single. (I think that's the one....the song from Sliver). The "flutish" section, and the beat behind it sound exactly the same. Is this my ears playing tricks, or did someone get plagiarised here? Just wonderin', or is that wanderin'? ::whistle's on his merry way.. :: L8er. -- Vernon Brooks StereoWhiz@aol.com or Trixx@ix.netcom.com Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown Speaker Rattling In My Door... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 21:56:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: Enigma Video To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au For those interested in obtaining the Enigma MCMXCaD - The Complete Album Video in HiFi Stereo and PAL VHS It is available now at Forever More in Sydney for A$35. (612) 971 0502 or FAX (612) 977 5416 I understand that only 3 are in stock. * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 12:06:15 GMT+1100 From: "Evans Mark" Subject: gidday! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi my name is Mark Evans and I'm 17 1/2 , i'm emailing from way down in New Zealand, anyway my Enigma collection is limited to the two major albums Enigma M******* (I forgot the name) and Enigma Cross of Changes. Enigma is good to relax to and is easy listening. Other bands I like are:Silverchair, Nirvana, Cranberries, Pink Floyd etc etc..... the list goes on. At present i'm in the 7th form and finding school a bit boring after all these years ,I'm thinking about going to University next year to study something to do with science (no i'm not a geek). I'm not that great at writing long messages so this is basically it. Seeya! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:30:00 -0500 From: Kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: GIF To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Can anyone send a GIF of Cretu? I'm curious to see what he really looks like. I know i can see him at the WWW but at the moment i am having problems with my browser. Thanks <<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>> <> Kham@gatewest.net <<*>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 19:31:39 -0400 From: Matthew S Jeffers Subject: Gold Discs To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Lazlo and that other dude: you two had better settle this argument of yours personally. Just for the record, everything I've heard supports the fact that gold discs do sound better. Haven't you seen the remasters in the stores of old classics like Bridge Over Troubled Water, Hotel California, etc.? The deal with these is that the original recording was at level X (call it 60 on a scale of 1 to 100), this was the way it sounded on peoples' records that they bought at record stores in the 60s and 70s and played it for the first time on nice equipment. A normal CD can only reproduce, say, a 56 on a scale of 1 to 100, and from what I've heard, a gold disc gets more to a 59 or so. Nothing can 100% duplicate the original source tapes accuracy-wise, but because of the HIGHER RESOLUTION and greater accuracy of gold, these discs score a higher percetage of correct "bits" than their counterparts. I can stand behind claims made by the big boys at certain audio mags--I've seen it, and those claims are not unsubstantiated. If anyone denies that these gold discs sound better, please provide US with reputable references, since taking this stance definitely puts you in the minority. That seems fair enough, I think. No harsh fighting on this list about this or any other topic!! MATT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 22:28:38 EST From: kirin@digitals.com Subject: Greetings To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey all I just got the new Release of Deep Forest: Boheme (i live in the US so it's the US release, I think I like it better then the first one , this one sounds more harmonized i think they took the time to put it together and I have put The cd single Ti Eliz Iza on order from a music Store near me and they are waiting for the Domestic release to come in of the Whole cd, I have also seen something in the Music Store a listing for a Cd by "Gala" called Gregorian Dance does anyone know anything about this cd? i was going to put it on order too but I didn't know if it was worth it! Well Lemme know if anyone Has any replies to this about the cd by Gala, I am looking forward to finding out what this is! anyway Gotta run Eric *e mail Address* Kirin@digitals.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 16:25:26 +0100 From: David_Lincoln@vie.co.uk Subject: greetings! (new member) To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey there, it's another new member.... My name is Dave Lincoln, 23 years old, and I work for Virgin Interactive Entertainment in London (right next to Virgin Records) as a programmer on the new Sega Saturn machine. I am a big fan of enigma, deep forest, delerium, dead can dance and so on. I have most of the CD's and singles of these bands but not much in the way of special or limited editions. Oh, and Sandra is a new one to me, I'll have to check her out! Also, I am a huge fan of Depeche,NIN and most things industrial. Dave.... ps. does anyone know of a depeche mode mailing list? The address I have doesn't seem to work. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 95 12:36:49 CDT From: Jim English Subject: greetings! (new member) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hey there, it's another new member.... hi > > My name is Dave Lincoln, 23 years old, and I work for Virgin > Interactive Entertainment in London (right next to Virgin Records) as > a programmer on the new Sega Saturn machine. can u release names of upcoming titles for Virgin Interactive Saturn Games? Anything cool and amazing coming? > > I am a big fan of enigma, deep forest, delerium, dead can dance and so > on. I have most of the CD's and singles of these bands but not much in > the way of special or limited editions. Oh, and Sandra is a new one to > me, I'll have to check her out! cool > > Also, I am a huge fan of Depeche,NIN and most things industrial. Yea, an industrial Enigma combonation would be pretty cool. > > Dave.... welcome to the list! -jim -- ______________________________________________________________________________ Jim English - jenglish@hpserv.keh.utulsa.edu / EJP51823@vax1.utulsa.edu The University of Tulsa - I vote "no confidence." "Sold, to the man with the red white and blue suit!" ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:19:41 From: Subject: greetings! (new member) To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au -To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Hey there, it's another new member.... > > My name is Dave Lincoln, 23 years old, and I work for Virgin > Interactive Entertainment in London (right next to Virgin Records) as > a programmer on the new Sega Saturn machine. > > Dave.... > > ps. does anyone know of a depeche mode mailing list? The address I > have doesn't seem to work. > Hi Dave, welcome to the list. you can try e-mailing to majordomo@pimpf.earthlink.net with the message "subscribe bong . let me know if you are successful. clarence -- Clarence Lit ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:38:50 -0400 From: istadnic@idirect.com (Iulian Stadniciuc) Subject: Hi To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone. I think it's time to talk a bit about myself. My name is Bogdan Stadniciuc, I'm a 16 year old high school student in Toronto, Canada.The only Enigma CD that I have is the Limited Edition of The Cross Of Changes, which has the 24ct. Gold Plated Disc and three additional remixes. I like Enigma since I heard "Return to Innocence" on the radio, and I'm planning to buy the first Enigma CD within the next couple of days. I also like M Jackson, J Jackson, All 4 One, Ace of Base, Boyz II Men, M Carey, W Huston, Depeche Mode and REM. I'm originnally from Romania and I've been in Canada for 2 and a half years, and my first question is: Do you know where did Michael Cretu lived in Romania(just out of curiosity). Hope to hear from you soon... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 16:47:49 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Hi To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Jun 29, 2:38pm, Iulian Stadniciuc wrote: > I'm originnally from Romania and I've been in Canada for 2 and a half years, > and my first question is: > > Do you know where did Michael Cretu lived in Romania(just out of curiosity). The biography of Michael Cretu in the press release for The CROSS Of Changes shows that he was born in Bucharest in 1957, and that he went to a music college here in 1965. I assume he lived iin this city during his childhood. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jun 1995 12:28:33 -0400 From: istadnic@idirect.com (Iulian Stadniciuc) Subject: Hi To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >The biography of Michael Cretu in the press release for The CROSS Of >Changes shows that he was born in Bucharest in 1957, and that he went to >a music college here in 1965. I assume he lived iin this city during his >childhood. > > >Joar Thanks, but do you think that you could be a little more precise, because I also lived in Bucharest and I would like to know where he lived, just out of curiosity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 1995 18:22:09 +0200 From: perta@oslonett.no (Per Terje Aune) Subject: Introducing myself. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello! I am a new member of the Enigma mailing list and I was told to introduce myself to the other members, so here goes. My name is Per Terje Aune, I am 17 1/2 years old (18 on 22/9-95) and I live in Norway (as the .no in my address will tell you). =20 As for now, my Enigma-collection isn't very large. All it contains is a borrowed cassette ("MCMXC a.D") that belongs to my sister. I do have plans for buying something this summer, though, when I get money. My sister bought this cassette when it came out in 90 or 91, and then she told me that it was Gregorian music with rhythms, not much to listen to I thought. But last year I heard "Return To Innocense" and found that it was very good and really something for me. So I borrowed "MCMXC a.D" and listen to it once, and since then I've listened to it quite a lot of times. When I finish my summer job, I will buy "The Cross Of Changes" and maybe the CD-version of "MCMXC a.D". =20 I've always liked instrumental music best, because it gives me a choice as to what it describes. When you have a song with lyrics, the lyrics tell about a situation that the music describes and you can't imagine yourself what the music is all about, but with instrumentals (and especially Enigma) the music is very universal, just describing ways of life and such things that everybody can imagine, the music suits our feelings at any time, making it relaxing to listen to. This is why my favourite artists are all artists with music similar to Enigma's. Vangelis, Jean Michel Jarr=E8 and= Deep Forest. I don't have any CDs of any of these artists yet, but a friend of mine has some of Vangelis. =20 In my everyday life I go to school. After this summer, I start my third of three years at Heimdal Videregaaende Skole. These three years are a continuation of the first nine years of compulsory school. After that, I will probably study something at the university, I am not sure what. I don't really know what more to say about myself. I look forward to being a member of this list (I don't get much mail, so it will be good for my confidence to receive some) and I hope it will be interesting to read.=20 From: Per Terje Aune =20 =20 =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D "Snail" mail to: Per Terje Aune E-mail to: perta@oslonett.no Brudalsvegen 29 7080 HEIMDAL Telephone: +47 72 58 03 59 NORWAY =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Jun 95 19:53:00 C From: Stefan Bartelski Subject: Introduction To: "'Enigma Mailing List'" As per netiquette an intro about myself. * Name: Stefan Bartelski * Age: 44 * What is in your Enigma collection: Cross and Moods. The latter is a CD that came out in the UK with two tracks - Age of Innocence and Sadeness. Other music on this CD included the famous British Airways commercial background music and other new age/alternative tracks. Quiet a nice CD actually. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: Heard them on the radio but never actually followed up until re-hearing them on the Moods CD. * Other artists you like: Moody Blues, Propaganda, David Arkenstone & Narada artists, country music (sorry), and pretty much anything musical * What course or job you're doing (if any): I am British, currently working in the US. Have lived in Europe and the Far East, as well as the US. Working as a business consultant implementing computer software systems. * Any other interesting information you wish to share: For those Enigma fans who are also Moody Blues fans and who have WWW access please visit http://www.otb.com/users/stefanb/moodies.html (P.S. International input welcome!) Regards ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:37:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Ronald Birnbaum Subject: Introduction To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi everyone, My name is Ronnie Birnbaum, I am a dental student at Columbia University here in New York City. For ten years now I've been a SANDRA fan. It's not too difficult to get her stuff here in NY, especially when she has a new album, as many of you know, she is not well known in the USA. My collection is very good. Sandra had two additional releases here in the US in 1989, which were put out by Virgin USA: Everlasting Love - Single, Stock Aitkin & Waterman Remixes 12" Everlasting Love - Album, A renamed "Ten on One" with a new cover. PWL Everlasting Love remix included. In addition, she had a bit of airplay of the Everlasting Love remixes. In September, 1989, Sandra came to New York for a promotion of her music. She played at the "Palladium" nightclub (a converted theatre) on 14th Street in Manhattan. Before that, Sandra visited a record shop in Greenwich Village where myself and a small number of other fans had the pleasure to meet her in a totally informal session. We chatted, had our pictures taken, welcomed her to New York and received promo-photos. I must say, she was charming, sweet, spoke English well at the time and was not at all nervous. Nor was she surrounded by bodyguards or anything, she was very approchable. Myself, I came away with several autographed items and promo-material. A friend of mine took a picture of just Sandra and myself. A treasure. The next evening at the Palladium, Sandra sung her original "Everlasting Love" instead of the 'americanized' version that had been getting airlplay. Then, she sang "Heaven Can Wait", without any additions. Of course, there I was, up front. From what I could tell, Sandra was well received for her 'brief' performance. That was her only concert in New York, she went on to Miami, but that I don't know much about. Since then, there have been no other Sandra releases in the US from Virgin. Everything we get is imported. Her "Everlasting Love" US version has not been heard since, her album is probably out of print. Thanks to mailing lists like this one, we here in the US can finally have contact with the rest of the "Sandra-World". Keep up the good work. By the way, the sucess of Enigma in the US seems to be a decent substitute for Sandra. I beleive the Michael Cretu has established himself well anyway. If anybody is interested in knowing more about Sandra here in the US, or her visit, don't hesitate to ask. I am also looking for fellow fans out there myself. Let's celebrate ten years of Sandra! Yours, Ronnie Birnbaum rb174 @ columbia.edu.usa See ya! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 14:04:03 -0500 From: Kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello everyone! Enigma was introduced to me by my cousin a couple of years ago. I've never heard this kind of music before and i really liked it. Since then, i looked for more of this type of music. I have both Enigma albums and don't plan to get any singles. I find it hard to get all those types of versions anyway. I look forward for the next album due in '96 i suppose. Kham Sonethavilay <<*>> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:38:00 +0200 From: "Williams, Andrew" Subject: It's OK people ... To: "'Enigma Mailing list'" (COUGH, COUGH, COUGH) "Whew, that was a bit hot for a while. Good thing we got that one under control. These damn bush fires can be a bit dodgy, especially if the weather has been a bit dry. What sparked that one off?" "Well. it seems some guy was flogging off a few Enigma bits on the mailing list" "Enigma. Aint that the group with that video with the monks, and some foreign chick with a sexy voice? Were they fighting over HER?" "Yes, yes, and no. Seems the sparks flew when the bloke who organises the list needed to get some cash to pay for the upkeep of the list and to keep his readers amused and informed." "Seems reasonable enough?" "Yeah, does doesn't it. But it seems he got a bit insensitive with a coupla people who also offered stuff for sale. Rubbed them up the wrong way. Then they reacted back and it got a bit hot for a while." "Hardly seems worth getting so hot under the collar about. Seems to me that people should try to be a bit more tolerant?" "Sure seems that way. Now take your hands off my Sandra CD or I'll smack you one". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Agnosco veteris vestigia flammae (I feel again a spark of that ancient flame) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jun 1995 14:59:32 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Latest news from Enigma management To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day. I have just received a fax from Enigma's manager giving us some information: 1. Only 100,000 (not 1 million as initially reported) hologram-cover editions of "MCMXC a.D. 'The Limited Edition'" were released. They were mainly sold in Germany and France. The 1 million figure refers to the total number of limited edition versions of the album (hologram or normal). 2. Sandra has not had her children yet, but expects them in the next 3 weeks. 3. "Nights in White Satin" has not done well so far in Europe. It has only charted in Germany and Finland. 4. "Fading Shades" debutted in Germany at #84. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 18:41:41 -0400 From: Matthew S Jeffers Subject: LES FLAMES SONT INTERDITES! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au No more flaming anyone, Gavin Stok or someone else, I don't care. Bravo, Marty, for your "that is all" post--I think that should put an end to the annoyances. Let's stop while we're ahead, guys, or this list will start looking like the Peter Gabriel one used to (I already sent a message to that effect but somehow I don't think it got through). MATT 98msj@williams.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 03:48:00 C From: Stefan Bartelski Subject: mailing list ettiqutte To: "'lazlo'" The job of mailing list keeper requires a firm commitment in terms of time and also personal costs incurred. Therefore rules can be 'bent' in order to support the mailing list. So, instead of your infantile whining, either put yourself forward to take over from Gavin and provide equal or better service or get lost off the mailing list, your presence is not appreciated. Stefan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 14:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dinh Le Subject: Marta's Song To: enigma You want it you got it. Here are the track listing for the CD 5 of Marta's Song: Track #1 Alubum Version (4:13) Track #2 Deep Forest Remix (4:13) Track #3 The Rainforest Crunch Edit (3:53) Track #4 The Rainforest Crunch Remix (7:42) Track #5 Armand's Muslim Moose Mix (7:00) I assume that you have all heard the Album Version so I'll skip that. Anyway the Deep Forest Remix is quite goo actually. It holds true with how Deep Forest sounds, and is pretty close to the album version except there are extra samples added here and there that really adds to the piece. The Rainforest Crunch Edit and Crunch mix are almost exactly the same except the mix is longer. the people who remixed it just speed up the song somewhat but it's still pretty decent. Armand's Muslim Moose Mix. The song is almost completely reworked to be a dance song, and this is my least favorite among the mixes, but then I haven't really listened to the whole song all the way through. It get's really repetative. Although it is still tolerable. Well that's it. It's a rather good buy for $5 bucks Dinh Le ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 18:41:07 CET From: "Grebenar Robert - INFO 1." Subject: Martha's song To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello ! A week ago I heard Martha's song in the radio. It was very strange and funny to hear hungarian words in a song from abroad (I'm Hungarian). The singer-woman is Sebestyen Marta, a known folk-music performer. Anyway, I liked the song, and decided to buy the album. But now I waiting for Sandra's Fading Shades. Nights In White Satin is sounds good for me. +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | McROBERT (Grebenar Robert) | | | | Veszpremi Egyetem Kollegiuma, 8200 Veszprem Egyetem u. 12 | | 8931 Kemendollar, Petofi u. 28 | | | | McROBERT@VEKOLL.SATURNUS.VEIN.HU (USE THIS ADDRESS) | | GREBENAR@HAL2000.HAL.VEIN.HU | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 1995 22:12:04 -0400 From: Matthew S Jeffers Subject: MCMXC a.D.--Date Discrepency? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have a normal version of the above album, which I know was released in 1990 in the US, or maybe early '91. Someone else can provide me with the exact date, but my main problem is why it says 1992 on the disc itself. I have a friend whose disc says the same thing. What's up with this? Final question: can someone summarize the different "special editions" of Enigma's two albums for me? I keep hearing about holograms, three strange words, extra tracks, etc. Exactly how many different special editions are there for each album, and how available are each?? MATT 98msj@williams.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:11:43 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: MCMXC a.D.--Date Discrepency? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Matt. > I have a normal version of the above album, which I know was released > in 1990 in the US, or maybe early '91. Someone else can provide me > with the exact date, but my main problem is why it says 1992 on the > disc itself. I have a friend whose disc says the same thing. What's > up with this? Good question! I know of no rerelease of MCMXC a.D. in 1992. Do you know if it is different in any way to the 'normal release' of 1990? Is it released by Charisma? All I can think of is if it was actually rereleased in 1992 and the record company decided to attach the new date to it (which is not common practice since you'd also expect to see 1990 somewhere). > Final question: can someone summarize the different "special editions" > of Enigma's two albums for me? I keep hearing about holograms, three > strange words, extra tracks, etc. Exactly how many different special > editions are there for each album, and how available are each?? OK, there are 3 main special album releases: 1. MCMXC a.D 'The Limited Edition' which is the normal album with 4 extra tracks attached at the end, each being a remix of the 4 singles released in Europe (Sadness, Mea Culpa, Principles of Lust, Rivers of Belief). This item was only released in Europe/UK/Australia. 2. The same as above except it had a hologram cover instead of normal paper. This item is extremely rare and was only released in Europe/UK. 3. The CROSS of Changes 'Special Limited Edition' which is the normal album with 3 extra tracks attached at the end, each being a remix of the first 3 singles released in Europe (Return to Innocence, the EYES of Truth, Age of Loneliness). This item was only released in Europe/UK/Australia. Hope this helps! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 22:30:53 -0700 From: trixx@ix.netcom.com (Vernon Brooks ) Subject: MCMXC a.D. --Date Discrepency? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I had wondered the same thing. I think the record company had released it again. I had one from when it was first released, but the disc got destroyed by an (ex)friend. I bought a new one, and the image on the disc was different, as well as the date. I thought this was kinda curious, but the music contained within is the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a normal version of the above album, which I know was released in 1990 in the US, or maybe early '91. Someone else can provide me with the exact date, but my main problem is why it says 1992 on the disc itself. I have a friend whose disc says the same thing. What's up with this? >>>>>>>>> -- Vernon Brooks StereoWhiz@aol.com or Trixx@ix.netcom.com Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown Speaker Rattling In My Door... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:01:33 -0400 From: StephenLAc@AOL.COM Subject: MCMXC a.D.--Date Discrepency? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have the same disc, with a (P) 1992 Virgin Records LTD on the disc, but a (P) & (C) 1990 on the cover. I suppose it's a common thing.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 95 12:52 PDT From: perryg@islandnet.com (Gregg Perry/Pilgrim Computer Resources) Subject: Me!! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, My name is Cathryn Perry. My age? The same age as my tongue and a little older than my teeth (16 give or take 3 years). In my Enigma collection I have the CDs The Cross of Changes and MCMXC a.D. I live in a really small town which doesn't really have much odds and ends on music groups so I don't really know anything about the project other than what I've read on the internet. I think I first heard Enigma on the radio and it struck me as being totally unique and as being completely relaxing. I listen to Enigma almost all the time and I jump at any opportunity to learn more about it! I'm hoping to get their CD that you can only get in about 2 places, one of which is Australia where I have friends. Some other artists I like are: The Cranberries, Counting Crows, Seal, Ephraim Lewis, Smashing Pumpkins, Curious Fools...the list could go on and on, but I'll spare you :^) Currently, I'm still in school and I don't really have the time to get a job, although I'd love to. Out of school I'm studying the science of Graphology (handwriting analysis). I'm also studying piano and classical voice, however I prefer to use my classical training for other purposes (like alternative and such). I do some composing now and then as well. Anyway, I'm looking forward to many interesting discussions with all of you. Cathryn. Gregg B. Perry Pilgrim Computer Resources 1817 St. Ann's Place, RR 5 Duncan, BC V9L 4T6 Software customization and solutions, database programming, computer installation and instruction. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 17:58:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Darlene Khan Subject: Me!! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Date: 22-Jun-1995 17:55 EST From: Khan, Darlene DSKHAN Dept: STUDENT Tel No: TO: _IN%"Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu ( _IN%"Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au"@MRGATE@DANIEL ) Subject: RE: Me!! Hi! I just joined the enigmanet too. my name's darlene and i'm an enigma fan. i have their last two. i find the music of be very relaxing and there's a raw energy that i haven't found in other music. i'm going into my senior year of college in new jersey, majoring in french and english. if you want to e-mail me, my address is DSKHAN@DANIEL.DREW.EDU love, Darlene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 10:50:08 -0500 (EST) From: "Martin J. Green - 221-4425" Subject: My Home Work To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au -- YOUR HOMEWORK! As a new member of the list we'd love for you to introduce yourself. It is a great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your presence, and also allows Joar to keep information such as which countries subscribers are from. Information you should include are: * Name: Martin Green, Elmira, NY, USA * Age: Over 21 * What is in your Enigma collection: _Enigma 1980 aD_ & _Cross of Changes_ * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: Around 1994 from a friend. Very much a fan. Looking for anything and everything related to the group. * Other artists you like: I'll listen to just about anything, with a minor adversion to Country & Western. Currently I'm into jazz and newage music, rock is getting a little boring (Kinda like C&W, IMHO). * What course or job you're doing (if any): I'm a contracted computer tech with a micro-computer firm. I do service a support for a major telecommunications products firm. Please send this message to enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Ben Sims Subject: My Home Work To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > YOUR HOMEWORK! > > > As a new member of the list we'd love for you to introduce yourself. It is a > great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of your > presence, and also allows Joar to keep information such as which countries > subscribers are from. Information you should include are: > > * Name: ben sunshine, shelton, washington, usa > > * Age: 21 > > * What is in your Enigma collection: > i have every regular release (no ltd.) on vinyl, including the singles > * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: > i knew of mc through hubert kah and just followed him trough his progression. i through enjoy the soothing and spirital listening of his releases. > * Other artists you like: i am really into the electronic music genre, especially the ambeint/dub/trip-hop. artist like brian eno, orb, tranquity bass, future sound of london, jonah sharp and labels like exist dance, moonshine, and astrelwerks. > * What course or job you're doing (if any): i do some record remixing, producing, and dj underground raves. i, also, own part of an internet provider. > * Other things you would like to share. one of the biggest impacts ever on me musically, concerning enigma, was at a san fran club, a couple of years ago. the dj turned off all the light and cut out of the song into nothing. then with the lights out, they filled the room with smoke as the dj brought in the last part of 'the voice of enigma' with the chant. then when the bass kicked in from 'sadness', this huge strobe went off. absoulutly amazing. nobody there will ever forget it, it was very spirital for all. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 16:16:53 -0500 (EST) From: GWILLOUGHBY@lakers.lssu.edu Subject: My Home Work To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au in reply to bens little info the orb is something you all should here on a great sounding system excellent another is moodswings -- album is called moodfood if anyone has seen the movie "single white female" the song state of independence which plays at the very end is on this album ---- a must get for anyone who is in love with enigma - and wants this type of music in different forms willo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:19:11 -0400 From: lucas@InterLink.NET Subject: My two cents... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au You know, runnning a Mailing-list is a lot like running your own BBS. Everyone that come into is are GUESTS. Therefore we are subject to some rules and regulations. If those rules and regulations are not up to our standards, then we should just leave. What's the moral of all this ? Mr. Stok is nice enough to make us benefit from his contacts with the ENIGMA MANAGEMENT team, so we should respect what he wants. It is perfectly normal for him to make an auction of Enigma items to finance his expenses. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T WANT TO. So the flames have ABSOLUTELY no place in this list. To Mr. Gavin Stok - Please keep up the good work, and don't let these flamers prevent you from giving us the information that all of us Enigma-fans crave. That is all. Marty Lucas Montreal - Canada ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:53:43 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: My two cents... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > You know, runnning a Mailing-list is a lot like running your own BBS. > Everyone that come into is are GUESTS. Therefore we are subject to some > rules and regulations. If those rules and regulations are not up to our > standards, then we should just leave. As someone who used to run a BBS and now runs four mailing lists, *my* two cents is that a list manager who sets up rules for his list and then breaks them for his own personal convenience is a hypocrite. If you don't like that opinion you're free to ignore it, just like Gavin is. Laz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 23:30:03 -0500 From: Kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: New Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Does anyone know what the next album of Enigma will be called or if the style will remain the same as The Cross of Changes? I have to admit; there was a big change of style between the first and second album. Oh, and... in THe Dream of the Dolphin, was that Sandra's voice in it? <<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>> <> Kham@gatewest.net <<*>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 17:23:24 EDT From: SXZM71C@prodigy.com (MISS SHANNON E SANFORD) Subject: newbie looking for info To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au my name is shannon and i am 19 yrs old my enigma collection is rather small :-O but i love them! i am also interested in finding out more about deep forest . . i recently got into their music are the other bands mentioned in the welcome letter the same sounds? like chanting? i would like some input to expand my collection. to answer the other questions I manage an art store and i love all kinds of music . . . i like to keep an open mind.. . i look forward to hearing from the group. peace :) -shan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:29:41 -0700 From: audra@uspan.com (Audra Brown) Subject: New Enigma Member To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au My name is Audra Brown, I am 22, I wish I had much, much, much, much more in my Enigma collection, but I only possess MCMX and Cross of Changes. I am currently wanting any remixed versions, special imports and editions. I first heard Enigma from a friend who knows I love the style of Enigma's music. Once I heard Sadeness I was hooked. I feel like I am their biggest fan. I never get sick of listening to the CDs, I have dreams about seeing them live in concert and I hope Cretu eventually brings Enigma live to us. Other artists I like are Enya, Deep Forest, New Order, and Depeche Mode...to name a very few. I am a talent agent in Seattle. ------------------------------- Audra Brown Dramatic Artists Agency (audra@uspan.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 03:40:06 -0400 From: StephenLAc@AOL.COM Subject: New Member To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I've been lurking on the list for a while. Time to introduce myself. I live in Los Angeles, but am a transplanted Aussie. Something I've found interesting is the diversity of tastes other than Enigma, which people have expressed in their introduction messages. I love the clarity and purposeful sound of Enigma. I know little about the band, the people, and that is one of the reasons I joined this list. My Enigma collection is basic, with only MCMXCaD and Cross of Changes. Other artists I'm interested in include Bel Canto, O Yuki Conjugate, Voice of Eye, Jorge Reyes, Dead Can Dance, Bourbonese Qualk, Cure, Jeff Greinke, Peter Murphy, Morthund, Babble, Premature Ejaculation, A Produce, Vidna Obmana, etc. I also have a fairly representative alternative rock, reggae, and gothic/industrial collection. (Sorry, no rap or jazz). What can I say? Variety *is* the spice of life..... I am a licenced acupuncturist, but work weekends as a whitewater rafting guide on a class IV river..... Feel free to send some electrons my way..... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 09:40:42 -0500 (EST) From: "MRGATE::\"A1::GREEN_MJ\""@rovax.corning.com Subject: New Member To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au From: NAME: Martin J. Green FUNC: Information Technology TEL: 607-974-4425 To: NAME: IN%"Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu. Steve, >My Enigma collection is basic, with only MCMXCaD and Cross of Changes. >Other artists I'm interested in include Bel Canto, O Yuki Conjugate, >Voice of Eye, Jorge Reyes, Dead Can Dance, Bourbonese Qualk, Cure, Jeff >Greinke, Peter Murphy, Morthund, Babble, Premature Ejaculation, A >Produce, Vidna Obmana, etc. I also have a fairly representative >alternative rock, reggae, and gothic/industrial collection. (Sorry, no > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >rap or jazz). What can I say? Variety *is* the spice of life..... Can you give some examples of "Gothic/Industrial"? You can e-mail me direct at GREEN_MJ@CORNING.COM, if you don't want to reply to the group. Thanks. Martin Green ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 18:08:13 +0000 From: "Antti Nuoreva" Subject: New member intro + questions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I have recently joined in and I am now 'doing my homework' as the rules said... My name is Antti Nuoreva, I am 29 years old. I live in Helsinki, Finland. I work as a programmer and PC assistant. My main hobbies are programming and listening to good music... I am actually a SANDRA FREAK, but Enigma is great too! Actually, I probably never had paid attention to Enigma without Sandra. That's because I knew that Michael Cretu is behind Sandra's songs and when I heard that Michael Cretu had made this Sadeness song, I thought I might like it. And of course I did!! I bought the single and waited for the CD to appear... some time after that it did, so I bought the MCMXC aD CD and loved it! And I still do! I also have the Cross of changes CD. I also like reggae music, but only the original roots-reggae, NOT that dancehall-house-disco-shit! I have about 20 Bob Marley CDs and he is the king in reggae! So that was my 'history'...lists a bit later, first something else: ===================================================================== ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS!!!!! Couple of things I would like to have reply to: ===================================================================== --------------------------------------------------------------------- I have not heard Deep Forest yet except the song in Pret-A-Porter, which I loved! So I'm going to go and listen some DF album, and if it is as good, I'll probably buy the CD. How many Deep Forest CDs there are? Which is/are the best ? --------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- ARE THERE ANY OTHER SANDRA FANS OUT THERE? I WOULD LIKE TO MAIL WITH YOU! PLEASE MAIL ME! --------------------------------------------------------------------- THANKS! ===================================================================== So back to business... My Enigma-related CD- and single list is: ENIGMA: - MCMXC a.D. (CD) - Cross of Changes (CD) - Sadeness -single (vinyl) Hey I'm sorry that I don't have more Enigma, but I live in Finland, that's all I have been able to find here... I hope you don't mind me having so little Enigma and so MUCH Sandra...but this list is the only one that has Sandra-related stuff too...and I'm still Enigma fan too...:-) So here is my SANDRA stuff: Albums: - The Long Play (CD) - Mirrors (CD) - Into A Secret Land (CD) - Paintings In Yellow (CD) - Close To Seven (CD) - Ten On One - The Singles (vinyl) - SOON: Fading Shades (CD) Singles: - Secret Land (vinyl, both normal and EP) - Hiroshima (vinyl, both normal and EP) - Around My Heart (vinyl EP) - Midnight Man (vinyl EP) - Innocent Love (vinyl EP) - We'll Be Together '89 Remix (vinyl EP) - Everlasting Love (vinyl EP) - Heaven Can Wait (vinyl EP) - Don't Be Aggressive (vinyl EP) - Loreen (vinyl Super-Sound-Single) - Stop For A Minute (vinyl EP) - (Life May Be) A Big Insanity (both vinyl EP and CD) - Nights In White Satin (CD) Videos: - Ten On One - The Singles - 18 Greatest Hits - every interview and music video I have been able to find from ANY channel (fortunately I have satellite channels available :-), mostly from MusicTV and 3Sat, total of over 3 hours Other stuff: - Scanned pictures of Sandra (about 300, NOT very good quality, some video stills, some from magazines) - magazine articles and pictures (not very new, there has not been much discussion about Sandra recently...) Actually all stuff I have been able to collect in Finland! So, that's all. Hey! Hey! Wake up! The list ended already! :-) --------------------------------------------------------- Antti Nuoreva E-mail: atn@lizard.pp.fi Kauppaneuvoksentie 10 A 2 SF-00200 HELSINKI Finland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 18:19:56 GMT From: harry@pilot4.sc.ti.com (Harry Ahluwalia) Subject: New Member Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Thanks for giving me membership into your group, I am sure that I will enjoy reading all the latest information on Sandra and Enigma. Here are my personal details:- Name: Heminder Ahluwalia Age: 27 yrs Current Enigma Collection: I have 2 album CD's on Sandra (Everlasting Love) and (Paintings In Yellow). Looking forward to seeing (Fading Shades) soon. First Heard: Actuallly when I was in college, I first heard Everlasting Love but somehow could not find out who was the artist. Then just 2 months ago, I came across a CD that this song labeled, I played and liked all the songs very much. So I went on to look for another CD by Sandra but no luck. Then when I looked at the imports section, I found a couple of her albums. I bought Paintings In Yellow, I think it's the best I have ever heard. Sandra has excellent voice delivery and sounds highly energetic and soothing. I have never heard anything that beautiful from a female artist. And coupled with excellent music of Michael Cretu, the combination is splendid. I have become an ardent fan of Sandra. Other artists: Pet Shop Boys, Sarah Brightman, New Order, Tears for Fears, Simple Minds. Job: Electrical Engineer working in Texas Instruments, Semiconductor Division in Houston, USA. Rest: Pls keep me posted of new albums, concerts dates, and all latest info on both Sandra and Enigma. Info Pls: Does Sandra have any plans of performing live in the USA in the near future ? Thanks for inducting me, Best regards, Heminder Ahluwalia. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 17:37:33 -0500 (CDT) From: "Brian C. Jones" Subject: New member of mailing list To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I'm a new member of this mailing list and am sending forth this intro, as per the request in the FAQ..... My name is Brian, I am 21 years old and I am a Communications major at Mississippi State University, USA. I am also a disc jockey at WMUW, a local college station, where I do a Sunday evening ambient/ethereal/space/world music oriented air shift. I joined this list as a way to track down artists, albums, etc. which I'm unaware of..... Brian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:45:58 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: New Sandra information To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au With special thanks to Enigma's management, I have been supplied with some information: 1. I have a German promotional version of "Won't Run Away" but unfortunately it is only the track and gives no indication of release date or possible remixes it may have. I will hopefully find out more in the near future. 2. I have the press release for "Fading Shades" but it is written in German, so if anyone is willing to translate it please contact me personally. The press release itself has the following features/layout: * 4 A4 pages as a 2-page open booklet * First page is the same as the cover to "Fading Shades" * Middle 2 pages are the promotional text in German along with another photo (half-page) which can be found on the back of "Fading Shades" * Last page has a discography of her albums with their exact release date along with another picture (half-page) taken from the booklet to "Fading Shades". I also have other Sandra music which I will review and present to the list as soon as possible. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 23:55:56 -0700 From: trixx@ix.netcom.com (Vernon Brooks ) Subject: New Subscriber To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have recently subscribed to this mailing list, and felt I had best follow the instructions in the welcome package I recieved. 1. Name- Vernon L. Brooks Jr 2. Age- 19 3. What is in my Enigma Collection- (All US CD versions) The first one (MC.......), Cross of Changes, Sliver (does that count?), Age of loneliness single, A few old single cassettes from MC...., and more that I can't seem to remember at this hour. 4. Where I first heard Enigma- A friend gave me a beat up cassette tape that he didn't want "'cause it wasn't rap" (he was going through that G-rap phase). 5. Other artists I like- I generally listen to modern rock/alternative and a little punk. (Offspring, Counting Crows, Rage Against the Machine, Deep Forest, Information Society, NIN, Bush, etc...) 6. What course of work I'm following- I am currently a delivery driver in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. I am trying to assemble enough cash for college, but it seems an uphill battle. 7. Any other tidbits- My biggest hobby is Car Audio. In fact, this is what originally turned me on to Enigma. It is rare to be able to find music that is not only enjoyable, but also sounds good on an expensive stereo system. There's nothing like being able to open my rear 'pop-out' windows by cranking up Mea Culpa or Return to Innocence. (I have had to replace 2 rear-view mirrors that way, though!). Well, that's all! I look forward to taking part in the group! L8er. -- Vernon Brooks StereoWhiz@aol.com or Trixx@ix.netcom.com Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown Speaker Rattling In My Door... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 11:30:05 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: new subscriber/fading shades album To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi All! I'm allready subscribed to this list for a few weeks, so it became time to introduce myself. I'm Robin Wessels, 20 years, and I'm studying Technical Fysics at the University of Twente in Enschede, the Netherlands. I listen to Enigma and Sandra for about 2 and a half years; a friend of a friend of mine bought the MCMXC aD album and I heard it, and at the same time I saw a commercial for Sandra's greatest hits album and I liked what I heard, so I began to buy the albums myself. Now I'm a very big fan of all of Cretu's music and I've got big collections of items by Sandra, Enigma, Arabesque and Michael Cretu. Other artist I like include Jean-Michel Jarre, Kim Wilde, C line Dion, Sophie B. Hawkins, Roxette and lots of female soul singers like Chant Moore, Eternal, Karyn White and Sade, but I don't like house, rap, techno and all such kinds of music. My favorite Sandra tracks are : 1. Johnny wanna live 6. One more night 2. Everlasting love 7. The journey 3. Your way to India 8. Maria Magdalena 4. Seal it forever 9. Hiroshima 5. When the rain doesn't come 10. Loreen My favorite Michael Cretu / Enigma tracks are : 1. The invisible man * 2. Return to innocence 3. Samurai (did you ever dream?) * 4. Mea culpa 5. Principles of lust - Find love 6. Sadeness 7. Carly's song (the version of the Sliver album) * : for those who don't know: these songs are from the Michael Cretu album "The invisible man" I also bought already the fading shades album, (it has already been released in Germany and the Netherlands), but in my opion it's a bit disappointing. Since I haven't read anything about it (exept the release date), on this mailing list I'll say something about it. (Sorry if my message is becoming a bit long) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The track listing is as follows: 1. Fading shades (part I) 1:02 music : Jens Gad lyrics: none This a instrumental interlude. 2. Nights in white satin 3:34 <..***> music : Justin Hayward lyrics: Justin Hayward This is in my opinion the best song from the album. 3. Son of a time machine 5:01 <...**> music : Jens Gad lyrics: Michael Cretu & Klaus Hirschburger This is a bit in the style of old Michael Cretu music, mixed with some new influences. 4. Won't run away 4:14 <....*> music : Jens Gad lyrics: Jens Gad & Klaus Hirschburger This is an uptempo dance song, like most other dance music that is made in these years. I'm not a big admirerer of this kind of music. 5. Tell me more 3:15 <....*> music : Jens Gad lyrics: Jens Gad & Klaus Hirschburger See song 4. 6. Will you whisper 4:13 <...**> music : Jens Gad lyrics: Klaus Hirschburger This is a more slow song, but it isn't compareble to the same kind of songs from previous albums. 7. Invisible shelter 5:20 <..***> music : Jens Gad lyrics: Michael Cretu & Klaus Hirschburger This is after "Nights in white satin" the best song on the album, allthough it is also a dance song, it is much better then the other dance songs from the album, and it has a beautiful intro, a bit in the style if Jean Michel Jarre. Sandra only sings the chorus of the song, I don't know ho sings the verses, it doesn't sound like Cretu's voice, so I think it may be Jens Gad, but I've never heard him sing before, so I'm not sure of it. (there isn't mentioned anything about it in the cd booklet) 8. You are so beautiful 4:38 <...**> music : Jens Gad lyrics: Jens Gad & Klaus Hirschburger See song 4. Allthough this one is a bit better. 9. I need love '95 3:28 <...**> music : Michael Cretu lyrics: Michael Cretu & Klaus Hirschburger This is a remake of the song from the "Close to seven" album. It sounds a bit slower, but I prefer the original version. 10. First lullaby 4:20 <..***> music : Michael Cretu & Jens Gad lyrics: Michael Cretu & Klaus Hirschburger This is a slow song, it's been written as a lullaby for her twins, wich she will get in the middle of July. This is the only new song on which Cretu co-wrote the music, and it is also one of the best songs on the album. 11. Fading shades (part II) 1:06 music : Jens Gad lyrics: none This is the same as song 1. The whole album : <...**> At the time I wrote this I couldn't listen to the album, so I can't say more particular things about the songs. (I don't have a computer of my own, but as a student I can make use of the computers at the university). I think this is the less good album of Sandra, I can't call this a Cretu album because almost all music and also a big part of the lyrics are written by Jens Gad and I don't think the music is getting better when he writes. I think Cretu must stop collaborating with Gad and write the music on his own again, so that the next album will be a Cretu album again, like all the other previous Sandra and Enigma albums. I don't like most dance music, neither if Jens Gad writes it. My grading system is as follows : <-> : disgusting <.....> : bad <....*> : | <...**> : | <..***> : good <.****> : | <*****> : fantastic : this song hasn't been graded. To compare: the gradings for the "Close to seven" songs are as folows : Don't be aggressive! <.****> Mirrored in your eyes <.****> I need love! <..***> No taboo <.****> When the rain doesn't come <*****> Steady me <*****> Shadows <.****> Seal it forever <*****> When love turns to pain <.****> Your way to India <*****> Close to seven is in my opinion the best Cretu album, If you want to know more about the fading shades album, or other things feel free to contact me. Robin Wessels Enschede - The Netherlands E-mail : R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 11:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Francisco Subject: photo? To: enigma list Hello all. There is, in the US at least, a magazine dedicated to being on-line and internet stuff. It is called NetGuide. At the back of the mag is a section they call "Cyberguide" that reviews a wide variety of "stuff" available on-line. In the July 1995 issue, on page 115, in Cyberguide: Sound Booth, is a photograph that alleges to be of M. Cretu. The credit is to Barbel Meibach, 1/94. Has anyone else seen this? Is it indeed Cretu? Thanks, Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 01:43:29 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: photo? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Don, > Hello all. There is, in the US at least, a magazine dedicated to being > on-line and internet stuff. It is called NetGuide. At the back of the > mag is a section they call "Cyberguide" that reviews a wide variety of > "stuff" available on-line. In the July 1995 issue, on page 115, in > Cyberguide: Sound Booth, is a photograph that alleges to be of M. Cretu. > The credit is to Barbel Meibach, 1/94. Has anyone else seen this? Is it > indeed Cretu? If you have access to the web, you'll find pictures of Michael Cretu at the Enigma web page (see sig for URL). Cretu has blonde, curly hair (hence... :) ) and glasses. Did the magazine feature Enigma "stuff" in their guide? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 10:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Francisco Subject: photo? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 29 Jun 1995 joarg@hsr.no wrote: > Don, > > > Hello all. There is, in the US at least, a magazine dedicated to being > > on-line and internet stuff. It is called NetGuide. At the back of the > > mag is a section they call "Cyberguide" that reviews a wide variety of > > "stuff" available on-line. In the July 1995 issue, on page 115, in > > Cyberguide: Sound Booth, is a photograph that alleges to be of M. Cretu. > > The credit is to Barbel Meibach, 1/94. Has anyone else seen this? Is it > > indeed Cretu? > > If you have access to the web, you'll find pictures of Michael Cretu at > the Enigma web page (see sig for URL). Cretu has blonde, curly hair > (hence... :) ) and glasses. Did the magazine feature Enigma "stuff" in > their guide? > > > Joar I am one of the unfortunate (?) few that does not have access, for reasons of cost. I can do it through the accout we have at work, but right now that costs also. The photo is of a man with curly har and glasses. I am sure it must be Cretu. It is a b/w pix, in a natural setting (a cliff behind him). The pix is part of a short piece about a web page dedicated to discussion - no sound yet - of Gregorian Chant. Enigma is included thus: "Ever since Enigma released the hit song "Sadeness," rare's the week when you can't find some group of holy men hooting in Latin perched at the top of the charts like a monastery on a mountain. ...The [web] site will provide the academic and historical aspects of chant. For example, we learned that ... chant, like Christianity itself, probably has its roots in Judaic tradition." The site is Subject: Pledge Drive To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au As long-term members of this list will be aware of, since its inception in April 1994 there has been a fairly large effort to establish contact with record companies in hope of establishing the latest information and products as soon as possible. It has been a result of this contact that the mailing list has communicated with record companies, past and present, including: * eastwest Records, Sydney (Australia) * Nettwerk Records, Canada * Polygram Music, Melbourne (Australia) * Sony Music, Sydney (Australia) * Virgin Records, Germany * Virgin Records, Norway * Virgin Records, UK * Virgin Records, US * Virgin Records, Melbourne (Australia) * Virgin Records, Sydney (Australia) Furthermore, it has been a result of this communication which has resulted in the mailing list finding out release dates as soon as they are available, made contact with Michael Cretu, and maintain contact with Michael Cretu's manager. Consequently, one problem has raised its ugly head - costs. Since starting the list I have spent great time sending parcels (containing the FAQ) and faxing letters to people all around the globe - from the UK to Germany, Sydney to Canada. The costs have added up and consequently I am going to break one rule of the mailing list to auction off 3 Enigma items to the highest bidder. Firstly the items: 1. Mea Culpa part II (European Version) - Fading Shades Mix (6.15) - Orthodox Version (3.58) - Catholic Version (3.54) 2. Age of Loneliness (Australian Digipak Version) - Radio Edit (4.14) - Clubby Radio Edit (3.31) - Enigmatic Club Mix (6.23) - Jam & Spoon Remix (6.28) - Album Version (5.19) 3. MCMXC a.D. "The Limited Edition" (Australian Version) - Normal album plus Sadness (Meditation) - Mea Culpa (Fading Shades) - Principles of Lust (Everlasting Lust) - The Rivers of Belief (The Returning Silence) The minimum bids for 1 & 2 are US$10ea. The minimum bid for 3 is US$20 All bids and payments must be in US dollars and do not include postage (postage is in the form of a Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope sent to me) Bids MUST only be sent to gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and will not be accepted after June 30, 1995.... Please note that all moneys earned from this auction go to pay back debts or for the use of contacting record companies in the future and that none of these items have been provided by record companies as promotional products. And remember, your bids are not only for the items, but also for the upkeep of the mailing list. Regards, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jun 95 21:10:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: re. Deep Forest latest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Maybe of interest to those taken by Deep Forest. extracted from Jarre Mail List - ===================================================================== Oh yes- a while back on Teletext in England, Channel 4 page 626, they reviewed Deep Forest's latest release, by saying 'Jean Michel Jarre did this 'Ethnic samples with new age strings' thing much better on Zoolook- and that's ten years old!'. Ten years! And Oxygene was released (in France) almost twenty years ago! Vey! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This Is The Time. And This Is The Record Of The Time. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Laurie Anderson United States From The Air ======================================================================== * RM 1.3 02178 * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 1995 09:21:22 GMT From: Mike Higgs Subject: Re: My Home Work To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > YOUR HOMEWORK! > > * Name: Mike Higgs > > * Age: 30 > > > > * What is in your Enigma collection: MCMXC ad Limited Edition ( with hologram ) Cross of Changes Limited Edition ( Gold disk ) I also have Pure Moods 2, two Enigma tracks on but many other good tracks as well, inc a Deep Forest record. > > * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: I heard MCMXC in a friend's collection and liked it straight away, even though it was unlike most of the stuff I usually liked. > > * Other artists you like: Lot's of different stuff, from classical to heavy rock/metal, Erasure, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Simply Red, practically anything! Though what I listen to varies from time to time with whatever mood I'm in etc. > > > * What course or job you're doing (if any): I'm the Unix Systems Administrator for a company of stock-brokers. > > > * Other things you would like to share. My girl friend had only ever heard a couple of Enigma tracks before meeting me, now she loves the sound as well, I bought her both of the Cds I have, The MCMXC disk limitied edition ( no hologram but all tracks ) but couldn't find the Cross of Changes Limited, Does anybody know of they will be releasing an edition with the extra tracks on? The last couple of tracks are really good and add to the album perfectly. -- Mike Higgs mike@tilney.demon.co.uk Unix Systems Administrator Tilney & Co. Royal Liver Building Liverpool Tel. 0151 236 6000 L3 1NY Fax. 0151 471 4141 U.K. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:25:09 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Reminder: Sales/Auctions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au A reminder to you all that selling items on this list is not permitted. The recent auction being held by myself has been an exception in that it is clearly to raise funds to keep this mailing list and associated services going. Any response to Don Weir's recent posting should ONLY be sent directly to him. Please be warned that any person who feels they should now jump on the bandwagon and try seeling their goods will be banned from the mailing list. Regards, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 95 22:54:00 +1000 From: don.weir@mcc.com.au (DON WEIR) Subject: Reminder: Sales/Auctions To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Gavin Stok said, EE> A reminder to you all that selling items on this list is not permitted. EE> recent auction being held by myself has been an exception in that it is EE> to raise funds to keep this mailing list and associated services going. In order to validify this it is suggested you list and itemise the costs. (then of course, copyright it) Gavin Stok declared - EE> Please be warned that any person who feels they should now jump on the EE> bandwagon and try seeling their goods will be banned from the mailing l yes Sir! Ban me now. Don * RM 1.3 02178 * 'We should weep for men at their birth, not at their death.' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 21:17:17 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Response to 'criticisms' To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Over the last few days I have seen various postings criticising 2 things: 1. A review I posted on a Yello album 2. My auctioning of Enigma items, breaking established rules. I have replied personally to all people involved to give them my opinions instead of starting a public 'flame' war on this mailing list and hope that any further discussions of the criticisms will remain that way. However, to those of you who have been witnissing this behaviour I wish to just say the following: Since the first day of this mailing list I have had only one aim - to share my passion of Enigma and Enigma-like music with others who have wanted to hear. This mailing list currently has over 300 members, and it is my hope that you share my love of the music and have a desire to learn more. Likewise, I am hopeful that you too wish to share information and opinions you have. Because of my aims, I have put in a lot of my time and money to pursue this love - I researched everything I could find to create the FAQ, I contacted record companies in Canada, the UK, the US, Australia, and Germany to try and establish contact such that we could learn of different releases in different countries as soon as possible. And early this year I was finally lucky enough to establish contact with both Michael Cretu and his managament. I have done none of this to earn money. I have no aims of becoming 'famous'. I have only done this to expand on my knowledge of Enigma, to learn of similar music, and to share my opinions of this. For those of you who may disagree with my postings of Yello reviews, or who may disagree with something I do, I ask that you contact me personally instead of trying to make a public flame of it. To those of you who think I only run this mailing list out of personal gain, I ask you to reconsider your ways - I have put considerable hours of my life into this mailing list to achieve my aims and to share what I know with others. Any other mailing list president will let you know that there is no money, no social status, and not much physical gain in running a mailing list given the hours put in and the problems that it presents. Finally, if I or this mailing list disagrees with you so much, please just do the logical thing and unsubscribe. I still have aims for the future. I still have a love of Enigma and Enigma-like music. And consequently I will continue to share anything and everything I think is worthwhile to this mailing list. Whether you agree or disagree with what I've said is up to you. But I ask that any future correspondence that may be in direct relation to me, only be sent personally to me. This will be the last public correspondence I present on this matter. Regards, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Jun 95 20:19:00 C From: Stefan Bartelski Subject: Return To Innocence To: "'Enigma Mailing List'" Thanks to Joar for your answer about 'Angel' on the above track. This was however only part of my question. Can anyone tell what the source is of the "native" chanting i.e. is it Asian, African, American?? Thanks P.S. Sorry for getting the name of the track wrong, I did it from memory as I am travelling and did not ahve the CD handy. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:20:14 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: REVIEW: Hands on Yello by Yello To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au For those interested, here is my review of Yello's latest album: REVIEW: Hands on Yello (by Yello) Reviewer: Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) June 25, 1995 Catalog #: Urban Music 527 383-2 [1995] It is an unfortunate fact that most remix CDs are not worth releasing, or at least not worth paying full price for. "Hands on Yello" by Yello is further proof of this. Not released on their usual label, Mercury, the album boasts a number of popular remixers - Cosmic Baby, Moby, Jam & Spoon, the Orb, and many more. Thankfully, most of the tracks are also faithful to the original and not off on a totally different tangent. Disappointing though is the fact that there are no tracks from what I think are their three best albums - Flag, Baby, and Zebra. On some tracks, I also think the remixers tried to make some ambient tracks more dance or hard-core techno orientated than need be. Criticism aside there are some great tracks on the album, and credit must go to the remixers who made them. Also interesting are the CD booklet notes in which the remixers answered some questions about Yello and their influence on their life (some of these are quoted below). Track listing breakdown and rating (out of 5 asterisks) is as follows: 1. Dr. Van Steiner (by Cosmic Baby) [5'40"] **** "It combines all of Yello's qualities - a story told in sounds, in initmitable rhythm, and Rush Winter's voice" Recent tracks by Cosmic Baby have leant towards mellower piano sounds and he applies the same touch to this track from the "One Second" album. Boasting some extra vocals Yello supplied him, the track mixes a nice blend of piano, slow beats, vocal samples, and sound effects. The track changes style throughout but still serves justice to the original. 2. Bostich (by Westbam) [3'06"] ***** "It was one of those tracks which inspired me to make dance music....(it had) rougher and tougher, psychedelic synthi sound effects and a driving, up-tempo beat" Westbam took this track from "Solid Pleasure", added a much faster beat to it, threw in heaps of effects and ended up with this track. The main vocals are sped up incredibly and give the track a real frantic pace. The mix of fast vocals, the up-tembo beat, and addition of little sound effects throughout make the track a winner. 3. Ciel Ouvert (by Jens) [5'17"] **** "Ciel Ouvert is originally a host of samples and sounds, and if ambient takes on melodramatic characteristics, then it's time tot ake the bull by the horns." Jens took this track from "Stella" and nicely blended a mix of Yello and new samples to create the new track. He creates a wonderful melody with the sounds he uses, but I found the track to be a bit too repetitive. 4. Great Mission (by Jam & Spoon) [3'58] ** "Yello is the only Swiss work of art apart form the cuckoo clock" I must admit that I haven't heard the original of this track from the "You Gotta Say Yes to Another Excess" album, but the overall sound of the track seemed too hard-core to be anything like a Yello track. Featuring some typical Jam & Spoon samples combined with Yello vocals, the track is clearly aimed at the club scene. 5. Crash Dance (by Oliver Lieb) [5'50"] * "I really like their willingness to experiment. I'm talking about the various styles which you can find on just one LP: from very ambitious atmospheric stuff to songs with a touch of punk" Also taken from "You Gotta Say Yes to Another Excess", Oliver Lieb's track is less hard-core than Jam & Spoon's, but still doesn't seem as faithful to the original as it should be. Containting a number of newer samples from the 90s, the track doesn't hold up much as a track by itself or a remix of a Yello track. 6. Vicious Games {12" edit} (by The Grid) [4'44"] ** "Visionary. fertile, atmospheric, panoramic, storybook music" The vocals on this track are the only evidence of the track from the "Stella" album. The rest are all new samples, but thankfully a pounding techno beat is not found. The track is fairly simplistic in its nature, and some new Yello vocals are heard, but overall it has nothing too exciting to boast about. 7. Oh Yeah (by Plutone) [5'38"] *** "Oh Yeah (is) one of my favourite songs....not to mention the percussion consisting of innumerable tiny synopated sound effects and the vocal samples." It was inevitable that someone was to remix this track, and Plutone did it. I like the start of this track with how the "bom bom" sample is sped up, but what follows is an fast-paced techno beat, lots of new samples, literally no vocals from the original "Stella" track, and a lot of repetition. Seen as a totally new dance track, however, Plutone's efforts were quite good. 8. Live at the Roxy (by Ilsa Gold) [5'00"] * "The most important continental band..in the Eighties they will be able to continue as a classic group indefinitely with consistent loyalty to their style, regardless of fashions and trends." Starting promisingly, the track goes techno-orientated and in totally different tangents as it progresses. The only evidence of Yello is through some samples of theirs thrown in throughout. 9. I Love You (by Hardsequencer) [5'34"] *** "I discovered my love of electronic music through Yello" Not a bad effort given that the evidence of Yello is apparent, yet the track has a totally new beat and is clearly dance-driven. They use all the samples well and provide a great new perspective to the song. 10. L'Hotel (by Carl Cox) [5'04"] **** "The original had nothing to do with dance music, but it had so much emotion and feeling in it that I was hooked. I knew if I could transfer that feeling into a dance track then it would make an unbelievable uplifting and musical record." This track taken from "One Second" is one that I was surprised to see since it doesn't have 'remix me' written all over it. Yet surprising Carl Cox has done a great job in mixing the atmospheric nature of the original with his own dance overtones. 11. La Habanera (by Carl Craig) [5'50"] **** "The strange arrangement of music, noise, and voice accented by live percussion is pure genius" Carl Craig has taken this already upbeat track from "One Second" and made it even more upbeat! Focussing more on the original samples and greater percussion, he blends everything together to give the track a real positive feeling. He also uses the sample of the crowd laughing and enjoying themselves from the original in the background throughout the track which works well. 12. Excess (by The Orb) [5'39"] * "Becuse of the elephants... Trumpety-trump, trip...!!" I have never heard the original of this track, but since The Orb remixed it that probably doesn't matter! As per usual there is a wide range of samples and effects in full-stereo to create an atmosphere which The Orb is known for. 13. Lost Again (by Moby) [6'04"] ***** "It's my favourite Yello song and..it has an emotional quality that I love" One of the few tracks without a dance beat, Moby instead tones this "Gotta Say Yes to Another Excess" track right down to a slow beat complete with strings, electronic chords, and a focus on the piano. The result is magnificant and blended with the original Yello vocals makes it a masterpiece. The best track on the album! --- Overall, an album with some really good tracks and some really lousy ones. But the tracks that I really wanted to hear remixed were missing. Where are remixes of "The Race", "Drive/Driven", and "Suite 909" to mention a few? Oh well, maybe there'll be a "Feet on Yello" in the future with their last three albums remixed. For die-hard fans, buy it. But unless you've got some money to spare, it's probably best to wait for it to lower in price. ** This review can be seen in HTML at http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps/Hands1.html" *** This review is (C)opyright Gavin Stok, 1995 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 17:19:23 -0500 From: jl@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (J. Li) Subject: REVIEW: Hands on Yello by Yello To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >From: Enigmatic >Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 18:20:14 +1000 (EST) >Subject: REVIEW: Hands on Yello by Yello > >For those interested, here is my review of Yello's latest album: > REVIEW: Hands on Yello (by Yello) > Reviewer: Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) > June 25, 1995 ... >This review is (C)opyright Gavin Stok, 1995 Gavin Stok, Simply because you are the Enigma Mailing List President does not mean that you should subject the people on this list to music that is remotely related to those of Enigma and other groups such as Deep Forest, DCD, etc. I do not see the reason for such a post on the re-wroks of Yello on this list. I hardly see any connection between the music of Yello and that of Enigma. Furthermore, M. Cretu was not involved in this remix project, and I doubt that he would be interested in it either. This type of re-mix projects are often a tribute to musicians and their music which have influence on other musicians. For instance, Art of Noise and YMO both have remixes done by renowned musicians as a recognition of their importance in music. The remix artists were asked questions like "Why Yello?", "Why this song", and "How did Yello influence your music". All I could say is that, hopefully, those who were influenced by the music of Enigma would put together a similar retrospective project (may be after many more great releases by the group). To the other people who are interested in Yello, To counteract the slightly negative review, here's my opinion. This CD is worth getting. The remixes in generally added a new perspective to the original songs, and most of them are incorporated with ambient or dance beat themes. The original vocal and electronic synth voices are mostly preserved and enhanced. This is definitely an importance piece of work in their music. John :P ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:25:15 -0400 From: Matthew S Jeffers Subject: Sandra--The Beauty behind the voice? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au -------- I must know...what does Sandra look like? Her voice is enough to melt anything, so what does she look like? Has anyone on the list ever seen her in person outside of a concert setting? MATT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:47:53 -0500 (CDT) From: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) Subject: Sandra--The Beauty behind the voice? To: mbconkli@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Mark Conklin) > > -------- > I must know...what does Sandra look like? Her voice is enough to melt > anything, so what does she look like? Has anyone on the list ever > seen her in person outside of a concert setting? All subject to preferences and tastes I suppose, but she is every bit as beautiful as her voice. BTW, a while back someone was talking about a Sandra disc that sounded a bit like Enigma with spoken vocals (I think they used the words "European vocals"). What disc was that? I have only heard Sandra's poppy 80's-style stuff... MC - Mark B. Conklin (MC) = mbconkli@ilstu.edu = mconklin@mail.ice.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:07:38 +0100 (BST) From: "The Silver-Flag Boy" Subject: Sandra--The Beauty behind the voice? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > -------- > I must know...what does Sandra look like? Her voice is enough to melt > anything, so what does she look like? Has anyone on the list ever > seen her in person outside of a concert setting? > MATT > Well... there are plenty of pics on ftp from yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and ftp.uwp.edu. As for meeting her in person... wish I could! Alex ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CGCE, 108 Holly Cross, Keele, Staffordshire, ST5 5JB u3a97@cc.keele.ac.uk Children of England, why do you run for your lives, When you need someone I'm gonna show? Sandra ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 17:39:05 +0100 (BST) From: "The Silver-Flag Boy" Subject: Sandra--The Beauty behind the voice? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > > > > -------- > > I must know...what does Sandra look like? Her voice is enough to melt > > anything, so what does she look like? Has anyone on the list ever > > seen her in person outside of a concert setting? > > All subject to preferences and tastes I suppose, but she is every bit as > beautiful as her voice. > > BTW, a while back someone was talking about a Sandra disc that sounded a bit > like Enigma with spoken vocals (I think they used the words "European vocals"). > What disc was that? I have only heard Sandra's poppy 80's-style stuff... 'Close to 7' has some sequences which sound similar to those on 'MCMXC a.D'. It's a lot more sophisticated than her earlier discs, but don't trivialize them. They may be poppy, but certainly not tacky... I don;t like the '80s music' stereotype. Alex -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CGCE, 108 Holly Cross, Keele, Staffordshire, ST5 5JB u3a97@cc.keele.ac.uk "It is not possible to draw a hard-and-fast line between individualism and collectivism. You cannot draw it in theory or in practice." Winston S. Churchill, 1906 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:14:00 +0200 From: "Williams, Andrew" Subject: Sandra - Nights in White Satin To: "'Enigma Mailing list'" ---------- De: Williams, Andrew A: Owner-enigma-digest Objet: RE: Sandra - Nights in White Satin Date: 1995 - mai - 29 09:46 Don Weir asked a while back: >-Did the Moody Blues 'Nights In White Satin' (by Sandra) move you? No it didn't, except to take it off the CD player! A couple of weeeks back when I got my copy I was so disappointed/dismayed by the souless treatment of this Moodies classic that I was moved to 'review' it here! And I wasn't complimentary. The re-mixes are even worse IMHO. Despite several attempts to re-assess it (i.e. listen to it again) I still think it is a travesty to do that to a once (still) superb love song. Funny, because some of Sandra's other 'covers' are not too bad. But now I'm going to say no more on the subject. Except to ask if I'm the only one who felt that way? Andy Williams ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 1995 16:20:58 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Some Fading Shades details To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy all. Sandra's new album, Fading Shades, was released in Europe on June 12. Here are some details (with thanks to Robin Wessels): * 11 tracks * 40 and a half minutes * Most lyrics by Michael Cretu and Klaus Hirschburger * Almost all music by Jens Gad * Includes a new version of "I Need Love" Most notable things to be seen from this are that Michael Cretu had less involvement then usual - in past albums he usually did the music as well as some of the lyrics. Consequently, the album has more of a dance feel to it due to Jens Gad's style. More details as they come to hand. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 08:30:26 +0200 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: Song from NBK To: ListServer Enigma mailing list Yesterday when I read my mail, there was a message about a song from Natural Born Killers. One of the composers mentioned was F.Lovsky. This is Fay Lovsky, a Dutch composer (a woman of course). Saw her once on Belgian television. She appears to do quite a lot of different music styles (What she played on tv was not very Enigma-like). She's made a lot of tunes for VPRO television, especially childrens programs. (They're on the net at http://www.VPRO.nl, only Dutch though) There was an article about her in the VPRO-gids, but I haven't tracked that down yet. Well, that's about all I can tell you. Alexander Lint (ALint@ET.TUDelft.NL) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:50:03 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: SPECIAL OFFER: Enigma FAQ To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Since the start of the Enigma mailing list in April 1994 the Enigma Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Document has existed. In mid-late 1994 I decided that the FAQ deserved to be typeset and consequently did so using a word processor. This resultant file has been on the FTP site at yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au for many months now as FAQ.ps.Z Something I have noticed, however, is that few of you have been able to have this typeset version of the FAQ since you need a laser printer in order to print it. Consequently, as a special offer, I now offer it to you. The printed version of the FAQ features: * Approximately 50 pages, double-sided to form a 25 page document * Graphical logo * Rundowns of The Music, The People, The Meanings, The Success, and much more! * Current as of June 6, 1995 Overall, the layout is set up in such a way that you can use it as a reference in the future - it is professional in appearance and easy to read. If you want a copy of the FAQ, all you need to do is send a Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope to me along with US$5 (notes only please) wrapped in a piece of paper with the word "FAQ" on it (but of course feel to drop me a note to say hello as well!) and send it to: Gavin Stok 31 Brendale Avenue Blackburn North Victoria 3130 Australia The US$5 is to cover costs (laser printing, photocopying). Please note that I will not be held responsible for any mailing problems that may occur - if I don't get the SASE, you don't get the FAQ, and if you don't get the FAQ after I've sent it, I'm afraid you can only blame the postal system. Please allow at least 6 weeks for delivery. Regards, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jun 1995 10:51:59 U From: "Antezana, Luis" Subject: Take a 'lude, dude To: "Enigma List" I hope you reconsider your brassy little opinions about Gavin's post, Don Weir. Mr. Stok administers one of the finest lists/fan bases on the Net. I believe his character and credibility are well enough evidenced that none of us worry that the hundreds of dollars he'll make from the sale of these few items will go towards supporting that nasty heroine habit of his. If you don't like the rules of this List, you don't have to subscribe. Lucky Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:25:05 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Take a 'lude, dude To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > I hope you reconsider your brassy little opinions about Gavin's post, Don > Weir. > > Mr. Stok administers one of the finest lists/fan bases on the Net. Which, of course, gives him license to break his own rules for his own personal gain. Pppphphpt. Laz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 19:28:26 -0500 From: whtthndr@bga.com (Jason Echols) Subject: Thanks for the DF/new member To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au First I would like to say Thanks to everyone who kept the discussion alive in reference to DF. I am a total EnigmaFREAK and finally tried DFs self-titled album and am totally in love with it too, now! I have been on the list for about a month now and have not introduced myself yet, so here goes... I am a college student at one of several colleges here in or around Austin, TX. Right now I am at Austin Community College at night and working during the day. I am a re-founding member of Custom Miniz custom car and truck club. The other groups I enjoy are: R.E.M., Pink Floyd, Depeche Mode ( I have about 75 DM CDs as they were my first collecting passion ), Ocean Blue, Cure, Sade, Pet Shop Boys, and Enya. My Enigma collection consists of: MCMXC a.D. MCMXC a.D. (Limited Edition) Data, Alpha, Mambo Cross of Changes Cross of Changes (Limited Edition) Age of Loneliness Digipack (US) Age of Loneliness ( Red foil sleeve ) Sadeness Part 1 (US) Sadeness Part 1 (German) Sadeness Part 1 (Promo) The Videos (Part 1) Well, that's about it for me...( hey, ya' gotta start somewhere ) C'yall laterz... \\|// (o o) ------------oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------- Jason Echols | "Why do you park on | "Consciousness: That Whtthndr@bga.com | a driveway and | annoying time between Business Mgmt. | drive on a parkway?" | naps." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 06:19:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Francisco Subject: very late To: enigma list Hello All, This is a very late intro message; I've been here for a few months and am just now taking time, instead of breakfast, to write this: My name is Don Francisco. I live near Philadelphia in the U.S. and work in the local PBS TV station as an editor/photographer/technical director. With this position I am sometimes able to create a piece using recorded music as background (it's legal, as far as I understand; some arrangement between PBS and the music publishers). As far as I can remember, the one I recently posted about is the only one which I used Enigma for. I learned of Enigma in 1992 from my son who was a freshman at Clemson U. in South Carlolina, USA. About eight months later I drove to Seattle and that was about all I listened to on the tape player while driving. I have only the two main album releases plus a "Cross of Changes" sweat shirt. Look as I might there have never been any other ep's or such by Enigma. I am interested in hearing some of the music you all have written about by Sandra, but do not find that either. My other preferences are Dead Can Dance, Cocteau Twins, St. Etienne, In The Nursery, Love Spirals Downward and especially Faith and Disease (from Seattle). So, this ends my career as a lurker on this list. Now for some coffee and a look at what I've written :-) Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 20:09:39 +0200 (WET-DST) From: Lev Mitnik Subject: Welcome to enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello everybody! I am new here, so here is my "home work": * Name Lev * Age 25 * What is in your Enigma collection I don't really have any rarties, nothing really special to mention... * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are About 4 years ago, I guess. I saw "Sadeness" on TV, I liked it a lot immediately and still do. I remember, I was watching it with another guy, and he told then that it sounds like Michel Cretu. I am also a fan of Sandra, and of "Arabesque" too. They were popular not only in Japan, but in the USSR too (btw, I am from Russia). But unfortunately, I don't know much about them. I would appreciate it very much if somebody told me where I can find their discography, lyrics, well any information. Thank you in advance! * Other artists you like Most of all I like The Beatles, then ABBA, Pink Floyd, A.Webber, Queen,.. * What course or job you're doing (if any) I graduated from StPetersburg Technical University, now I study remote sensing at Ecole Polytechnique, France. * Any other interesting information you wish to share I am very glad to be at Enigma mail list, it is nice to hear from people who like a good music. I am sending my best wishes to all of you! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 20:56:39 -0400 From: Thumper01@AOL.COM Subject: Welcome to enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In a message dated 95-06-28 06:18:53 EDT, you write: > As a new member of the list we'd love for you to introduce >yourself. It is a >great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of >your >presence, and also allows Joar to keep information such as which >countries >subscribers are from. Information you should include are: > >* Name Karen Neil, aka Thumper01@aol.com >* Age Physically I'm 34 ;-) >* What is in your Enigma collection Enigma MCMXC A.D. U.S. Version CD Enigma 2 Cross of Changes U.S. Version CD Sliver Soundtrack >* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I first heard Enigma while talking on the phone with an online guy in upstate New York (I'm in Iowa). I bought the first CD and fell absolutely in love with the music - I started hounding local CD shops for more Enigma or something similar (one shop recommended Cyborgasm and Seal, which I still laugh over). As for how much of a fan am I, that's a tough question to answer - I suppose I'm average, though it would be about the only thing in my life that rates that ;-) >* Other artists you like I have varied tastes - Reggae, Country, Opera, Classical, Soft Rock, Hard Rock, International, Alternative - I guess you could say that Enigma and I are a lot alike - neither of us fit into any typical category ;-) >* What course or job you're doing (if any) I'm a returned college student studying computer programming >* Any other interesting information you wish to share > Not until I get to know you better ;-) >Please send this message to enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 95 19:30:02 WET DST From: fbermann@knoware.nl (Frank Beermann) Subject: Welcome to enigma To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >In a message dated 95-06-28 06:18:53 EDT, you write: >> As a new member of the list we'd love for you to introduce >>yourself. It is a >>great way of letting the other members of the mailing list know of >>your >>presence, and also allows Joar to keep information such as which >>countries >>subscribers are from. Information you should include are: >> OK, here we go: * Name Frank Beermann (Fbermann@knoware.nl) >>* Age Physically I'm 36 ;-) >>* What is in your Enigma collection > Enigma MCMXC A.D. U.S. Version CD > Enigma 2 Cross of Changes U.S. Version CD >>* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I first heard Enigma when i was working on the radio. Right after work I went to the record-shop and bought the record MCMXC. Since that moment I listen to Enigma every day. * Other artists you like Reggae, classical and new age I bought the latest album from Vangelis last week. That's the kind of music i like. >>* What course or job you're doing (if any) > I work with the departement of justice in The Netherlands. >>* Any other interesting information you wish to share >> Not until I get to know you better ;-) >> >>Bey, Frank Beermann from Zeist, The Netherlands. >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 1995 16:06:23 -0500 From: Kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: Welcome to enigma To: Fbermann@knoware.nl >>>* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are > I first heard Enigma when i was working on the radio. Right after work > I went to the record-shop and bought the record MCMXC. Since that >moment I listen to Enigma every day. WHich version of Enigma do you like? Enigma I or II? Kham Sonethavilay <<*>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:41:10 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: WWW: Gavin Stok To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Ever wondered what your mailing list president looks like? Ever wondered what your mailing list president does both for work and in his spare time? Ever wondered what's in your mailing list president's CD collection? For this, and a whole lot more, visit my newly created World Wide Web (WWW) site at: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 18:15:07 +1000 (EST) From: Konstantin Gredeskoul Subject: yet, another new member... Hello! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! I am sitting here pretty close to yoyo which sends all over these messages:-) I am a new member, from Monash Uni, doing mathematics not and some computing in the future. Three years ago I came to Australia from Soviet Union, and it was there I met Enigma. I knew very well Sandra (unlike most of Australians - they mostly listen to UK/USA/Aus bands) and lots of European music. Enigma is great, no doubt, but I would like to see more albums. The two existing albums are very different, I agree, but each contains fair amount of repetitions; besides, similarity in style is obvious (well, having successful songs in different styles is a very rare thing, probably only The Beatles succeeded :-). Well, my other favorites include The Beatles, original (only) of Jesus Christ SuperStar (anybody knows WWW page?) with Ian Gillan, some pieces of Madonna (I like professionalism), Dr Alban, very particular things from Doors, Queen and Scorpions. I also adore good old Jazz, like Armstrong, Ellington, etc. Caravan is what I play before going to sleep :-) I sometimes like listening to Classical music, but only, what they call "simple music". I get sleepy listening to "deep and complicated" classics. And finally I like a bit of rap and hip-hop. As you can see, I have rather broad range of music that I like. I dislike: any Hard Rock, Heavy-Metal (I like only ballads from Scorpions), too complicated Jazz and classics, 101.1(TTFM), etc. I play piano, guitar, bass-guitar, and a bit of a flute. Nothing professionally, though. OK, I've got to run. Best wishes, Konstantin Gredeskoul. E-mail: kig@fermat.maths.monash.edu.au WWW: http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~kig ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************