Enigma Digest July 1995 Volume 2 : Issue 7 "Bio" 24k Gold?!? again "Won't run away" and now for something serious.... Another Question. (4 msgs) best offer DEEP FOREST (6 msgs) Deep Forest FAQ & Discog Needs New Home! Enigma-digest V1 #70 Enigma-Like Music (2 msgs) Enigma Singles Error in Sandra's song ?? (3 msgs) FAQ (2 msgs) Gala Gregorian Dance Have a question (2 msgs) Hey!! Hi (2 msgs) Homework Introduction (4 msgs) Introduction.... Intros galore Iona (3 msgs) Looking for Sandra Videoes (3 msgs) Lost my Bookmarks! (3 msgs) Multiple Masterings ? Music in a Nissan commercial... Music in films (3 msgs) MY HOMEWORK ! My two cents... (2 msgs) New Album New member introduction No Subject (2 msgs) Others (6 msgs) Presentation Question to Mr. Stok (10 msgs) Re[2]: Enigma-digest V1 #70 REVIEW: Fading Shades Sadeness Part I, Mea Culpa part II, and Michael Cretu Sandra Sandra's first single (2 msgs) SANDRA--FADING SHADES (3 msgs) Sandra-like music...like Gregorian (3 msgs) Sandra like music : Sarah Brightman (4 msgs) Sandra Records (2 msgs) The Deseo Remixes (3 msgs) Those singles... (2 msgs) Trouble finding Sandra and Delerium (6 msgs) Various News Welcome to enigma (2 msgs) Welcome to enigma-digest what are they doing now? (4 msgs) Won't run away - released in Germany (3 msgs) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 12:19:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam McKee Subject: "Bio" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name Adam McKee * Age 19 * What is in your Enigma collection Living in the U.S., not much selection where I am. I have Enigma MCMXC a.D. and Enigma the CROSS of changes * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are I'm a huge fan, listening to Enigma as I write. Always telling people about it. First heard of Enigma when I saw the Sadness video. * Other artists you like I like Deep Forest, haven't been able to explore this kind of music much. * What course or job you're doing (if any) Do computer work for a company in town, and build people computers in my spare time. * Any other interesting information you wish to share I love computers, love Enigma, love the web. Looking for others like me, I suppose.. anyone need a computer built, gimme a ring :) Thank you :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 11:34:21 -0500 From: whtthndr@bga.com (Jason Echols) Subject: 24k Gold?!? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Really? I never would have suspected -- you spout unsubstantiated garbage >like a complete *pro*. > >-- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@rt66.com - http://www.rt66.com/lazlo) >::: Search Nibble's Discographies! http://www.rt66.com/lazlo/DiscogSearch.html ALLRIGHT...listen...I wrote a COURTEOUS E-Mail message to you to have a civil discussion on this issue...not to create a flame session. So that we could all learn what was up with this. I TOLD you I had read all of this and had no idea myself, so try to keep your flames in your pants and not freak. For all of us :) I am SORRY if I offended you in ANY way, I was only repeating what I was told. Peace, \\|// (o o) ------------oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------- Jason Echols | "Why do you park on | "Consciousness: That Whtthndr@bga.com | a driveway and | annoying time between Business Mgmt. | drive on a parkway?" | naps." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 18:17:14 -0400 From: christ@li.net (Christian) Subject: To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au * Name:Christian Escudero * Age: 31 * What is in your Enigma collection: Just one CD MCMXC a.D., made in Holland the album + 4 extra versions of sadeness - mea culpa - principle of lust - the rivers of bilief. * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: From a friend who is from Argentina, he works for a readio station and he allways sends me some cassettes with the latest songs from Argentina, I find that most of the European music is play more often in South America than USA, I saw one domestic album from Sandra 12" vinyl "ever lastin love" but thats all. I also have one gretest hits from Sandra I love every song Also inport from Germany. * Other artists you like: Talk Talk * What course or job you're doing (if any): Computer Field Engineer, Long Island, New York. * Any other interesting information you wish to share: Do You know If the latest album from Sandra is going to be release in the USA? Where can I down load a picture of sandra to put on my Windows wallpaper "BMP" format please - thats my computer? Thanks Christian... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 09:59:20 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: again "Won't run away" To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, Again about the Won't run away single : All remixes are done by Jens Gad only (NOT together with Michael Cretu). On the cover there's a picture of her face, not taken from the front but a bit from the left side (she looks to the right), The picture is NOT included in the Fading Shades booklet, and before someone asks me : I can NOT scan it. (So if you want to see it you'll have to wait untill it's released in your country, or untill someone has it who can scan it.) Robin Wessels R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 10:35:46 -0400 From: Spectral69@AOL.COM Subject: and now for something serious.... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au well, there seems to have been a serious lack of weighty discourse of late so i will add my two cents worth and in the process, offer a theory that by all means, should have already have been made but nevertheless, i have not seen presented to date. it involves a twofold implication pertaining to the sampled gregorian chants used by cretu on "sadeness pt I"...the first observation has to do with the source...as stated in the enigma fac, "The whole dispute arose from when Munich-based choir Kapelle Antiqua recognised its recordings of Gregorian choral works on Enigma tracks. The group sued claiming that Cretu had infringed upon its "right of personality" by distorting the records samples on the "Sadeness part I" and "Mea Culpa part II" album tracks and singles. The group was supposedly "personally offended" by the 'misuse' of its work and demanded a written apology in addition to financial compensation. Kapelle Antiqua was able to demonstrate that parts of its works were samples on "Mea Culpa"."...i watched a fairly obscure video last night called "seista" in which--absolutely-- the same gregorian chant as used by cretu on "sadeness pt I" was included. but the credits at the endtitles listed it as "gregorian chant #1 pascale mysterium 'cum Angelia' Pro Arte records"...this seems to contradict the above quoted article but there again, the suit was settled with specific reference to "mea culpa pt II" only with the omission of "sadeness pt I"...by all means, rent the video and compare...it is the same recording that cretu sampled...perhaps Kapelle Antiqua recorded on Pro Arte and is simply omitted in the credits of the movie...now the second and most interesting implication and my "theory" is that the movie "siesta" was released in 1987, a full three years before the release of MCMXC...could it be possible that this movie (which coincidentially is set in spain) was the inspiration for cretu's synthesis on "sadeness pt I"?...the sample in the movie is of similar duration and is repteated at least twice...is it merely coincidence that of all available gregorian chant recordings that this particularly obscure piece (in 1987 ALL gregorian chants were particularly obscure) was choosen by both the producers of the movie and independently three years later by cretu? (and seemingly less coincidentally, the same obscure snipets from the same obscure recording of the same obscure gregorian chant?). anyway, this could all be a moot point if this is common knowledge and i'm sure i will be informed if it is, but i would certainly like to find out if cretu has ever seen the movie "siesta" wouldn't you? comments please? Brad Jeter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 15:09:58 -0400 From: lucas@InterLink.NET Subject: Another Question. To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello everyone. Beautiful day here in Montreal, hope that it is so for all of you! Here is my question: I read a bit of the FAQ that was sent earlier on this list. I remember thinking that the voice on SADNESS that speaks french sounds familiar to me. Then I rewmembered who it reminded me of, ANNIE GIRARDOT the french actress. I was wondering WHO spoke these words on the song ? Thank you. Marty Lucas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:19:26 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Another Question. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Marty. > I read a bit of the FAQ that was sent earlier on this list. I > remember thinking that the voice on SADNESS that speaks french sounds > familiar to me. > > Then I rewmembered who it reminded me of, ANNIE GIRARDOT the french > actress. I was wondering WHO spoke these words on the song ? From what I can gather Sandra sang all female vocals on that album, including the French vocals (if you've heard Sandra's "Close to Seven" album you can compare!). Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 09:49:54 -0300 From: Joseph MacKay Subject: Another Question. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > I read a bit of the FAQ that was sent earlier on this list. I > remember thinking that the voice on SADNESS that speaks french sounds > familiar to me. > > Then I rewmembered who it reminded me of, ANNIE GIRARDOT the french > actress. I was wondering WHO spoke these words on the song ? I *think* one of the articles on the web page states that all the female vocals on the album were to be done by an unnamed French woman. Sandra was originally just on board for the demo sessions, but some record company bigwig got so hypes about her vocals, that he insisted they be used. I betcha she was trying to sound like the actress you're referring to. But don't take my word for it--check it out on the web page, I'm very likely wrong. :) _________________________________ Joseph MacKay (af447@ccn.cs.dal.ca) "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -Edgar Alan Poe _________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 11:49:22 -0400 From: lucas@InterLink.NET Subject: Another Question. To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >I *think* one of the articles on the web page states that all the female >vocals on the album were to be done by an unnamed French woman. Sandra >was originally just on board for the demo sessions, but some record >company bigwig got so hypes about her vocals, that he insisted they be >used. I betcha she was trying to sound like the actress you're referring to. Thanks Joseph for the tid-bit of information. I will definately check it out. I don't know if Sandra could've "emulated" such a deep and particular voice though. That's why I automatically thought of Annie Girardot. She's the only woman I can think of that has this kind of voice. Thanks a milion.. Also thanks to Gavin for his quick response. Marty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 12:22:15 -0400 From: hostmail@li.net (Christian) Subject: best offer To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have the followin CD's for Sale, I'm looking for the best offer. 1- SANDRA 18 Greatest Hits (Made In germany) 2- ENIGMA AGE OF LONELIESS (CD single 5 mixes made in UK) 3- ENIGMA MCMXC a.D. "The Limited edition" Made in Holland Plus 4 extra versions of SADENESS,MEA CULPA, PRINCIPLES OF LUST, THE RIVERS OF BELIEF. THANKS Christian Escudero e-mail address christ@li.net tel. : 516.585.8680 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 15:19:56 -0400 (AST) From: daniel@mrree.gub.uy Subject: Deep Forest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all ! Yesterday I bought Boheme and I'm really enjoying it very much. What I'm looking for now is Marta's song lyrics in hungarian and an english translation. Can anyone tell me where I could find them ? I know there are some persons from Hungary in the list. Maybe they know. Thanks Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 16:00:31 -0800 From: draktar@foxmail.gfc.edu (Jesse Cadd) Subject: Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Amen! I too finally found Boheme at our local CD place and thoroughly enjoy it. It has the potential to supercede the previous album, in terms of my regard for it. I am a happy person! }-] -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 1995 21:19:15 -0400 From: rwlod@li.net (Robert Wlodarczyk) Subject: DEEP FOREST To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I finally bought the Boheme CD. I found it great. Awaiting ENIGMA 3.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 15:39:18 +0200 From: perta@oslonett.no (Per Terje Aune) Subject: Deep Forest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I am just wondering if anyone could please tell me what the difference between the albums "Deep Forest" and "World Mix" by Deep Forest is. I have seen both names, but they seem to have the same tracks on them. From: Per Terje Aune ============================================================================= "Snail" mail to: Per Terje Aune E-mail to: perta@oslonett.no Brudalsvegen 29 7080 HEIMDAL Telephone: +47 72 58 03 59 NORWAY ============================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:32:13 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Per. > I am just wondering if anyone could please tell me what the difference > between the albums "Deep Forest" and "World Mix" by Deep Forest is. I have > seen both names, but they seem to have the same tracks on them. They are both the same album except that "World Mix": * Has a different cover * Contains some bonus tracks, each of which are remixes of some of the album tracks. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 95 03:38:35 EDT From: cowboy1@cowboy1.microserve.com (Dennis Bobo) Subject: Deep Forest To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hi Per. > >> I am just wondering if anyone could please tell me what the difference >> between the albums "Deep Forest" and "World Mix" by Deep Forest is. I have >> seen both names, but they seem to have the same tracks on them. > > They are both the same album except that "World Mix": > >* Has a different cover >* Contains some bonus tracks, each of which are remixes of some of the album >tracks. > > > >Gavin Stok >(Enigma Mailing List President) > >*********************************************** >** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** >** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** >*********************************************** > Enigma Mailing List President ...hmm cool! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 13:38:25 -0700 From: quad@best.com (Don Gray) Subject: Deep Forest FAQ & Discog Needs New Home! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I saw a post a couple of weeks ago commenting that the Deep Forest FAQ & Discog are "badly out of date", if memory serves me correctly. Well, that's true -- I haven't updated them for about 6 months now. So, I've finally admitted to myself that I don't have the time to continue to be the keeper of this document. If anyone is interested in taking it over, please let me know. The new home needs provide WWW and FTP access, and the new owner needs to update the it (I have a bunch of emails with new info in them). It also needs to be HTMLized at some point (which is pretty easy with the editors out there now), with some images added (People have offered to email images to me that are already scanned, and I have a picture of the group, but no scanner). I've met a lot of really interesting people over the 'net as a result of doing this little project, and wouldn't trade the experience for anything. I'm sure the new keeper could do what Gavin Stok did and even make contact with the group members, which would be *really* exciting. Maybe you can even get promo CDs, etc. as a result! Anyone interested? E-mail me directly (not to this list). Regards, Don quad@best.com If you want to see it, it's at: http://www.best.com/~quad/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 14:14:59 -0600 (MDT) From: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Subject: Enigma-digest V1 #70 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma) > a 24k gold plated disk is a far-less imperfect surface onto which the > pits are etched than the standard aluminum coating...what this does (at > the miicroscopic level and at angstrom wavelengths) is reduce the > occurrance of error-correction thus maintaining more accurate data > interpretation (viz. bits-is-bits instead of > psuedo-bits-passing-for-bits) And this "theory" of yours explains aluminum-based CD-ROMs...how, exactly? CD-ROMs are physically identical to CDs; on a bit-by-bit level there is no difference between the two formats. The logical extension of your claim is that aluminum CD-ROMs are constantly spewing data errors right and left. Remember -- CD-ROM has *no provision for error correction*. I strongly advise you to stop reading the audiophile rags until you understand how CDs work and can distinguish facts from bullshit. SAMS has a good volume that explains just about everything you need to know. Laz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 16:04:51 -0400 From: rvajda@toronto.cbc.ca Subject: Enigma-Like Music To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I would like to propose a question to everyone on this list: I am searching for other artists / concept albums which are similar to the sound or style of Enigma I have read the FAQ on the Enigma WWW page and even listened to the artists that were listed there (eg Patrick O'Hearn, Mouth Music, etc) but I don't think any of them came even close to the quality or style of Enigma. In my opinion the three best albums (that I've heard so far) which bear the closest resemblance are Delerium's Semantic Spaces, Oldfield's Songs of Distant Earth and surprisingly the new Sacred Spirit CD. Does anyone have any other suggestions? I'm particularly looking for concept or ambient / chant / instrumental albums. What's worth buying before Enigma 3? Thanks... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 19:45:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Enigma-Like Music To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > Does anyone have any other suggestions? I'm particularly looking for concept > or ambient / chant / instrumental albums. What's worth buying before Enigma 3? Hi, ya'll thought i was dead huh? :) anyways, try Gregorian, i have the CD and am trying to get another copy at the moment. You'll find chants and other stuff in it. 'So Sad' really really rocks...heck, i think it's better than 'Sadeness'. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 00:20:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dinh Le Subject: Enigma Singles To: enigma Today I happened to go to Blockbuster Music and what did I see... They actually had Enigma singles from the first Album, and tehy were reasnable priced too. Here was what I found, Sadeness part 1 (Germany) 9.99$ Mea Culpa Part 2 (Germany) 9.99$ Principles of Lust (Germany) 11.99$ If anyone HAS to have them and are not in Northern Calif, the bay area that is, E-mail me privately and we can set something up. Or try calling them Directly (408) 946-2042 Dinh LE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 11:58:36 GMT From: harry@g3server.sc.ti.com (Harry Ahluwalia) Subject: Error in Sandra's song ?? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I have this album called "Paintings In Yellow" by Sandra. All her compositions are excellent with good rythmic beats and superb vocal delivery. But in one song "One More Night", towards the end where she says "I want to be in your arms" ( think) and just before "Because I love you", I hear a coughing sound. To me it seems like the recording accidently took in account someone's cough or clearing of the throat. I have played this segment several times and the more I hear it the more emphatic it becomes. Did anyone else notice the same flaw in their song ? - I suppose one should since my album is no different than someone else's copy. I bought it as an import from a local store in Houston, USA. Please share your thoughts/views. It may not be a flaw; perhaps part of the song - I don't know. Let's hear it from you guys!! Regards, Heminder Ahluwalia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 20:31:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Error in Sandra's song ?? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Sun, 9 Jul 1995, Harry Ahluwalia wrote: > Did anyone else notice the same flaw in their song ? - I suppose one should > since my album is no different than someone else's copy. I bought it as an > import from a local store in Houston, USA. > > Please share your thoughts/views. It may not be a flaw; perhaps part of the > song - I don't know. Let's hear it from you guys!! uh..i've listended to it several times and didn't hear any coughing. i'll try again to see if i can catch the cough. i bought that CD in houston at record rack so i don't know, but it could be defective, so i don't know what to tell ya. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:21:34 +0300 From: Antti Nuoreva Subject: Error in Sandra's song ?? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! >are excellent with good rythmic beats and superb vocal delivery. But in one >song "One More Night", towards the end where she says "I want to be in your >arms" ( think) and just before "Because I love you", I hear a coughing sound. >To me it seems like the recording accidently took in account someone's cough >or clearing of the throat. I have played this segment several times and the >more I hear it the more emphatic it becomes. If you mean the sound that can be heard on the 'h' of word 'hold' in "and I will hold you once again 'cause I love you" and the song's time is 3:08, then I CAN hear that too. I think, though, that it is a very short-gated synthesizer snare sound, or perhaps just one of those nice strange effect sounds that Michael puts in many places in his songs. It MIGHT be an error in sequencer timing and sync with audio data (which causes the audio data to be cut too early), but since it's M.Cretu & co. we are talking about, I doubt that...:-) So, to me it sounds like effect snare sound, but it is indeed VERY shortly gated, so it does not sound like snare or anything. What do you say about this? Was that the sound you heard or did I hear something else? We can discuss more about this in 'private' email, so everyone on the list doesn't have to take part...so just mail me! (atn@lizard.pp.fi, it's in the signature too :-) Antti ______________________________________________________ Antti Nuoreva Helsinki, Finland EMail: atn@lizard.pp.fi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 95 11:44:24 From: "C:DEMONSPOOLMAIL" Subject: FAQ To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Could you please send me the Enigma FAQ from part 6 onwards as I couldn't download it all for some reason. I will be most grateful. Thank you. Also, which is better, Sandra's album or Deep Forest? -- NIGEL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jul 95 10:14:38 EDT From: fawaz@ee.mcgill.ca (ALNOURI FAWAZ MR) Subject: FAQ To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here is the the Enigma FAQ from part 6 onwards: by the way you asked me which is better, Sandra's album or Deep Forest? I like both but Sandra rules. ************************************* **** SECTION 6: THE MEANINGS **** ************************************* 6.1 Is it true that "Sadeness" is about a particular person? -------------------------------------------------------------- "Sadeness" is about Marquis de Sade. Marquis de Sade (pronounced sahd) was born in 1740 and died in 1814. He was a controversial French novelist and essayist whose works were considered so obscene that many of them remained unpublished until the mid-1900s. He is regarded by some as insane and offensive, and by others as brilliant and descriptive. Donatien Alphonse Francois Sade was born in Paris and started showing signs of mental disturbance in his 20's. This disturbance was shown through his scandals, acts of cruelty, and sexual behaviour. Sade spent most of the years from 1768 to 1803 in prison as a result of his writings and action. He was placed in an asylum in 1803, where he died in 1814. Some of Sade's better known works include Philosophy in the Bedroom (1795), and 120 Days of Sodom, which was not published until 1904. In his writings, Sade tried to show that criminal acts and sexual abnormalities are natural to human behaviour. Not surprisingly then, the word sadism comes from his name! (Sadism refers to the enjoyment of cruelty, usually for sexual gratification) These days, his works are used to illustrate certain psychological theories. It is interesting to note that on "MCMXC a.D." the track is called "Sadeness" (notice the extra 'e'), a reference to his surname. The single that was released however, was called "Sadness". [Information gathered from the World Book Encyclopedia] 6.2 What do the lyrics to "Sadeness" mean? -------------------------------------------- Below are the original lyrics for the track, as well as an English translation. The lyrics starting with an asterisk (*) are on the Extended Trance Mix only. The Extended Trance Mix can be found on the "Sadeness part 1" single. Sade dit moi Sade tell me Sade donne moi Sade give me Sade dit moi qu'est ce que tu vas chercher ? Sade tell me what is it that you seek? le bien par le mal The rightness of wrong la vertu par le vice The virtue of vice Sade dit moi pourquoi l' 'evangile du mal ? Sade tell me why the Gospel of evil? quelle est ta religion ou` sont tes fide`les ? What is your religion? Where are your faithful? Si tu es contre Dieu, tu es contre l'homme. If you are against God, you are against man * Sade dit moi pourquoi le sang pour le plaisir ? Sade tell me why blood for pleasure? * Le plaisir sans l'amour. Pleasure without love? * N'y a t'il plus de sentiment dans le culte de l'homme ? Is there no emotion in the cult of man? Sade es-tu diabolique ou divin? Sade are you diabolical or divine? Sade dit moi Sade tell me Sade donne moi Sade give me Sade dit moi Sade tell me Sade donne moi Sade give me Sade dit moi Sade tell me Sade donne moi Sade give me 6.3 Is "Callas Went Away" about a particular person? ------------------------------------------------------ "Callas Went Away" is about Maria Callas, who was born in 1923 and died in 1977. She was an American-born soprano who become one of the world's best-known opera singers because of her fierry temperament and stirring singing & acting abilities. She made her debut in Athens at the age of 14, and made her U.S. debut in 1954 at the age of 31. "Callas Went Away" has references to Maria Callas in both the mentioning of her voice in the lyrics, and the use of soprano singing throughout the song. 6.4 What do the lyrics to "Mea Culpa" mean? --------------------------------------------- Below are the original lyrics for the track, as well as an English translation. Je ne dors plus I can't sleep anymore (The time has come) Je te desire I desire you (The time has come) Prends moi [*] Take me Je suis a toi I'm yours Mea culpa I'm guilty [**] Je veux aller au bout de mes fantasmes I want to go to the end of my fantasies Je sais que c'est interdit I know it is forbidden Je suis folle I am crazy Je m'abandonne I am letting myself go Mea culpa I'm guilty Je suis la et ailleurs I am here and somewhere else Je n'ai plus rien I have nothing more Je deviens folle I am becoming crazy Je m'abandonne I am letting myself go Mea culpa I'm guilty Je ne dors plus I can't sleep anymore Je te desire I desire you Prends moi [*] Take me Je suis a toi I'm yours Je suis la et ailleurs I am here and somewhere else Je veux tout I want everything Quand tu veux When you want Comme tu veux As you like Mea culpa I'm guilty [*]- what they are saying is unclear [**]- translation uncertain, believe 'I admit guilt' 6.5 What does "Way to Eternity" remind me of? ----------------------------------------------- "Way to Eternity" should remind you of the film "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" since its melody line is taken from the theme to this film. 6.6 What relation does the Bible have on "MCMXC a.D." tracks? --------------------------------------------------------------- 6.6.1 The Voice & The Snake "The Voice & The Snake" has a direct link to the Relevations from the New Testament of the Bible. Revelations notably discusses the scroll with seven seals. When each seal was broken open, a particular result occurred - the first on the earth, the second on the sea, the third on the rivers, the fourth on the sun, the fifth on the beast, the sixth on the stars, and the seventh on the air. You will notice that this also relates to the first 'verse' of the track. Below is the references of the second 'verse', which details exactly what the result was, with the corresponding quote from the Bible: The earth turned grey "The first angel blew his trumpet. Hail and fire, mixed with blood, came pouring down on the earth. A third of the earth was burnt up, a third of the trees, and every blade of green grass" (Rev 8:7) The sea turned black "Then the second angel blew his trumpet. Something that looked like a huge mountain on fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea was turned into blood" (Rev 8:8) The rivers turned red "Then the third angel blew his trumpet. A large star, burning like a torch, dropped from the sky and fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water" (Rev 8:10) The sun turned cold "Then the fourth angel blew his trumpet. A third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that their light lost a third of its brightness" (Rev 8:12) The beast turned pale "Then I looked, and I heard an eagle that was flying high in the air say in a loud voice, 'O horror! horror! How horrible it will be for all who live on earth when the sound comes from the trumpets that the other three angels must blow!'" (Rev 8:13) The stars turned fast "Then the fifth angel blew his trumpet. I saw a star which had fallen down to the earth, and it was given the key to the abyss." (Rev 9:1) The air turned to poison "Then the sixth angel blew his trumpet... The horses' heads were like lions' heads, and from their mouths came out fire, smoke, and sulphur. A third of mankind was killed by those three plagues: the fire, the smoke, and the sulphur coming out of the horses' mouths" (Rev 9: 13, 17-18) 6.6.2 The Rivers of Belief "The Rivers of Belief" is essentially a continuation of "The Voice & The Snake" and "Knocking on Forbidden Doors" as it continues through the Revelations in the Bible. The first reference is shown where in the song it is sung "And when the Lamb opened the seventh seal, silence covered the sky". In Revelations 8:1, it is stated that "When the lamb broke open the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour". The second reference is where it is sing "Take me back to the rivers of belief my friend. I look inside my heart. I look inside my soul. I promise you, I will return". The rivers are in reference to Revelations 22:1, where it is stated "The angel also showed me the river of the water of life, sparkling like crystal, and coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb". The rest is in reference to where John falls down to his feet, ready to worship the angel. Here he is told "'Listen!' says Jesus. 'I am coming soon! I will bring my rewards with me, and give to each one according to what he has done" (Rev 22:12). 6.7 What is "Silent Warrior" about? ------------------------------------- "Silent Warrior" is interpreted as Cretu's "position against the murderous insanity of colonisation and the combined genocide of the American Indians". [Information taken from Music Mag article from January 1994] 6.8 What is "The Dream of the Dolphin" about? ----------------------------------------------- "The Dream of the Dolphin" refers to an old saying of the shamens telling us that the dolphins have slept away the conquest of the land and envy man for it. This is how scientists explain why dolphins attack creatures of the sea but not humans. [Information taken from Music Mag article from January 1994] 6.9 What do the symbols mean on the back of "the CROSS of Changes"? --------------------------------------------------------------------- On the back cover of the album "the CROSS of Changes" is the track listing with each track's number surrounded by a symbol. While it is not known whether these symbols have any meaning it is known that the number of edges (connected 'lines') for each track is the same as the track number itself (for example, track 2 has 2 edges). ************************************** **** SECTION 7: MISCELLANEOUS **** ************************************** 7.1 Where has Enigma's music been spotted? -------------------------------------------- The music of Enigma has appeared in movie trailers, mini-series, movies, and promotions. Some spottings of the music include: * "Sadeness part 1" features in the movie trailer to "1492" > The Everlasting Lust Mix of "The Principles of Lust" appears in advertising for the Australian series "Law of the Land" > During a scene in the movie "Single, White Female", Enigma's music is heard when one of the women enter a bondage & discipline (B&D) club > "Carly's Song" and the Everlasting Lust Mix of "The Principles of Lust" appear in the movie trailer for "Intersection" > Apart from "Carly's Song" and "Carly's Loneliness", the Everlasting Lust Mix of "The Principles of Lust" appears in the movie "Sliver" Entries listed above with a > represent spottings I have seen myself. Feel free to contact me for more information about them. 7.2 What isn't known about Enigma? ------------------------------------ While this FAQ answers a lot of questions about Enigma you may not know, there are still many unanswered questions most of which only Michael Cretu could accurately answer. These include: * Why were the pictures in the "CROSS of Changes" CD chosen? (One theoried reason is to show one picture from each major religion) * What are the sample credits for "MCMXC a.D." and "the CROSS of Changes" other than those credited and mentioned in this document? * What are the translations of the Gregorian chants used throughout "MCMXC a.D." and the native song throughout "the CROSS of Changes"? * Has a concert or some form of public "show" been planned in the past, and is it a possibility in the future? * While it is known why there was the secrecy behind the beginnings of Enigma, why is there still this seemingly mystery of information behind the band (mostly shown through lack of interviews)? 7.3 Conclusion ---------------- So there you have it - as much information about Enigma as I could find! I would like to stress, however, that not all things in this FAQ have been verified by myself. Some answers are merely theories as to possible reasonings (this especially to the links to the Bible). References to other albums have not been listened to me, nor do I own every single item Enigma has ever released (unfortunately!). Essentially, do not take every single thing written in this FAQ as gospel! I would like to thank all those people who have contributed to the FAQ - your help was much appreciated and the information you supplied was priceless! I would especially like to thank Joar Grimstvedt who not only supplied a great deal of information but also was responsible for reading the many pre-draft versions of this document! Should you find any facts in this FAQ as wrong, or have any further information to add to this FAQ, do not hesitate to contact me. Arguments over more controversial points mentioned in this FAQ should be directed to the Enigma mailing list! Thank you for reading this FAQ and happy Enigma listening! GAVIN STOK 7.4 Acknowledgments --------------------- This FAQ wouldn't have been possible without the help of the following people: Bjerke, Matthew: mattb@duckmail.uoregon.edu Burnim, Paul: paulb@cs.uq.oz.au Drukman, Jon: jdrukman@us.oracle.com Gray, Don: donpierr@netcom.com Grimstvedt, Joar: joarg@gribb.hsr.no Keller, Hartmut: keller@hermes.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Masterton, James: hid009@cent1.lancs.ac.uk Scuglia, Jamie: jamies@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au Unoki, Toshie: tunoki@academic.csubak.edu Weiss, Chris: cweiss@netcom.com .....and to all those I forgot!! Other thanks go to: * Jeremy Silver and Matt Voss at Virgin Records UK * Donna Chapman at ARIA (New South Wales, Australia) * Wendy Aldridge and staff at EMI (New South Wales, Australia) * The staff of the records department at Myer Doncaster (Victoria, Australia) Feel free to contact me at: Gavin Stok 31 Brendale Avenue Internet: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Blackburn North Victoria 3130 Phone: +61-3-894-4889 Australia Fax: +61-3-879-6203 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This document may be freely distributed in whole or part. However, information contained within this document may not be changed for distribution without prior permission from the author. Permission should also be requested should any part of this document (or the document as a whole) wish to be used for publication in any form of media other than electronic. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 07:43:05 -0500 From: "John H. Ruszkowski" Subject: Gala Gregorian Dance To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) Browsing through CDnow (http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/mpage=main/SID=NEW) I came across two following listings; Gala Graduale and Gala Gregorian Dance. Has anybody had a chance to listen to these, and are they similar to Enigma style music. John Ruszkowski -- John H. Ruszkowski Technical Education & Documentation Phone: (708) 632-3126 Fax: (708) 632-4734 Mail Drop: IL27 3223 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:32:49 -0400 From: JPS3700@AOL.COM Subject: Have a question To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I recently heard some music that was played for background on a commercial that reminded me ALOT of Enigma, although I do not think it is, but I would like to see if anyone else has heard it and identified it......although some might be offended by the commercial, but what can I say the music got my attention. Well here it goes, We have a channel here on cable, it shows out Pay Per View commerical and we have an all adult channel called Spice, there is a commercail that is played advertising that channel that has the flute like instrument that is played in sadness and sounds alot like Enigma.....anyone out there have any ideas or heard it? Hope someone can be of help. Thanks. John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 14:48:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Have a question To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 20 Jul 1995 JPS3700@aol.com wrote: > I recently heard some music that was played for background on a commercial > that reminded me ALOT of Enigma, although I do not think it is, but I would > like to see if anyone else has heard it and identified it......although some > might be offended by the commercial, but what can I say the music got my > attention. Well here it goes, > > We have a channel here on cable, it shows out Pay Per View commerical and we > have an all adult channel called Spice, there is a commercail that is played > advertising that channel that has the flute like instrument that is played in > sadness and sounds alot like Enigma.....anyone out there have any ideas or > heard it? I know the commercial you're talking about. It ticks me off when they stop playing it at good points so u don't really know how the song goes. anyways, on this compilation i have, they use the exact same segment from the song from spice. the group is Equinox and the song is AMEN PART II.. so maybe the song in spice is PART I..who knows? later. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Susan Abbondanza Subject: Hey!! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey everybody, i just got on this list and thought i'd introduce myself. My name is Dave, and i'm 17. I first heard enigma driving down the road one day and my friend put it in the tape player. Return to the Innocence came on and i immediately fell in love with them and the girl i was riding in the car with (but that's another story). My collection is just MCMXC a.D. and The Cross Of Changes. Is there more? If there is somebody please tell me where I can get it. I only listen to a few groups, and they don't have very much in common. They are Enigma, Rusted Root, Dave Matthews, Gustavo Cerati, Los Morton, and Pearl Jam( and i don't even listen to them very much anymore). One last thing i want to say, one day i asked this girl if she liked enigma. Her response: "yeah, its great sex music." eat drink and be merry, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 00:37:49 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Hi To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Jun 30, 12:28pm, Iulian Stadniciuc wrote: > >The biography of Michael Cretu in the press release for The CROSS Of > >Changes shows that he was born in Bucharest in 1957, and that he went to > >a music college here in 1965. I assume he lived iin this city during his > >childhood. > > Thanks, but do you think that you could be a little more precise, because I > also lived in Bucharest and I would like to know where he lived, just out of > curiosity. Sorry, that's as precise as I can be! Since you are from Rumania, can you tell if Cretu is a common name there? I believe there is a big church called the Cretulescu church in Bucharest. Also, what's your country's view on Michael Cretu, is he regarded as one of Rumania's famous people or is he forgotten...? Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 21:40:02 -0400 From: istadnic@idirect.com (Iulian Stadniciuc) Subject: Hi To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Joar, >Sorry, that's as precise as I can be! Since you are from Rumania, can >you tell if Cretu is a common name there? I believe there is a big >church called the Cretulescu church in Bucharest. Also, what's your >country's view on Michael Cretu, is he regarded as one of Rumania's >famous people or is he forgotten...? That's Okay.... Cretu is a common name in Romania, and yes, there is a church called Cretulescu in Bucharest. As for Michael Cretu's popularity in Romania, that REALLY close to nothing. Sandra is well kown there, but almost noone heard of Michael Cretu or Enigma. Actually, neither had I. Only after I came to Canada I heard of him and Enigma, and that's when I found out he's Romanian (the name gives it away, though). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 04:12:31 +0200 From: magnus.reimer@helsingborg.se (Magnus Reimer) Subject: Homework To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Name: Magnus Reimer Age: 27 years Enigma collection: Sadeness -EP, MCMXC a.D., Cross of changes -CD, Sandra collection: I'll never be Maria Magdalena -EP, The long play, In a secret land, 10 on 1 - LP, In a Secret land -12" remix, Paintings in yellow, Close to seven, 18 greatest hits -CD. The 1:st Enigma encounter: Sadeness 1991 at a Swedish radiostation. The 1:st Sandra encounter: I'll never be Maria Magdalena at a party. How much fan I am: Enigma 3 of 5 Sandra 4.99 of 5 Other cool artists: Kim Wilde, Paula Abdul, Jennifer Rush, Aerosmith, Ace of base, Roxette, U96, Bon Jovi, ... Job: Computer-serviceman at a school. Doing the usual job in the branch (Install, repair, maintain and improve computers, network and other computer-related devices). Other info: N/A Magnus Reimer e-post magnus@reimer@helsingborg.se --------------------End of message- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 13:39:34 +0930 (CST) From: justin little Subject: introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello ENIGMA fans, my name is Justin Little and I have been an Enigma fan since I first heard the first album. If anyone knows of any singles released from the 'Cross of changes' album that I dont have, please let me know of them. I currently have the following from 'Cross of changes':- Return to inocence Age of loneliness - Carly's Song Also if anyone can recommend any music similar to Enigma, I would be gratefull. ------------------------------------------------------ EMAIL: jlittle@adam.com.au X-Files - The truth is out there! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 22:53:50 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hallo everybody! My name is Antje Kuechler (but you can call me "Inge"), I am a new member of the Enigma mailing list. I come from Germany where I study mechanical engineering at the Technical University of Chemnitz. I'm 23 years old. Since the release of Sandra's Hitsingle "Maria Magdalena" in 1985 I've been a huge fan of her and her music made by Michael Cretu. I adore the typical "Cretu-style", so I've always tried to collect songs written or just produced by him. But as an inhabitant of the former GDR it was very hard for me to get any material of Cretu's music. At present I own the following Cretu-related CD's and records: "Wild river" "Die Chinesische Mauer" "The invisible man" "Cornelius + Cretu" "MCMXC a.D." "MCMXC a.D. - The limited Edition" "The CROSS of changes" ... plus several Singles and of course all Sandra-Albums incl. one Arabesque-CD (I have the information that Cretu was playing keyboards for the band, but I'm not sure). To do my "homework" correctly: The first time I heard Enigma on the radio (Want to know the radio station? Here it is: "rias2".) and the very first CD I've ever bought in my life was "MCMXC a.D." in 1991. Michael Cretu creates a very special kind of music fascinating me over and over again, although I usally prefer "Black Music": Jazz, Blues, Soul... Well, that's it - as far as my introduction to the Enigma mailing list readers is concerned. Please excuse my bad english grammar; I hope this letter is at least readable. ANTJE KUECHLER (Inge) P.S.: Michael's birthday is the same like mine: May 18th. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 22:29:20 -0500 From: Aaron Subject: Introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello! I just signed up for the mailing list, and was under the impression that bad things would happen to me if I didn't introduce myself, so here goes: My name is Aaron Witt. I'm 21 years old and a student at the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana (in the United States.) Let's see...my Enigma collection.... I have the limited edition of MCMXC a.D. and a version of the Cross of Changes from Holland. And I also have pretty much of all of the singles, except Sadeness, Part 1. Most of them are imports, since Enigma seems to be alot harder to find here. One that I didn't see on the home page, however, is a self-proclaimed 'Limited Edition Singles Collection' of the Eyes of Truth. It has a paper sleave rather than a jewel box and has only one mix of the Eyes of Truth, that being the Goetterdaemmerung Mix. It also has the Extended Trance mix of Sadness, the fading shades mix of Mea Culpa, and the Omen mix of Principles of Lust. Does anyone know anything about this 'singles collection' That also reminds me, I once saw another enimga disc with a paper sleeve. It was some sort of Sliver collection, I think with only the two tracks from the soundtrack. I think I'm getting off track though.... I first heard Enigma in late 1990 I think. The first album had just been released in the U.S. and I saw the video on MTV. I immediately went out and bought the tape (since I didn't have a CD player back then), but didn't see the video again for another 5 years. (I now have the videos, part 1 collection) I would have to say that I listen to my Enimga discs more than everything else I have put together. So yes, I do consider myself a fan. :) And lastly, other music I like: I'm also a fan of Deep Forest, Quinn, and Dead Can Dance as I'm sure most everyone else here is. I've also just recently found a band which I enjoy alot. They're much more ethereal than Enigma.... maybe like something you'd get if you crossed Enigma with the Sundays. Anyway, the bands name is Love Spirals Downwards, and the album is Ardor. However, my musical tastes are also extremely varied, and I pretty much like it all. Guess that's enough for now. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 23:16:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Francisco Subject: Introduction To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Finally, someone not on the 4AD mailing list knows LSD (Love Spirals Downward). There are probably lots more that know about them, just haven't mentioned them. Very different from Enigma, but the described ethereal, misty, dreamy quality is there. I have Idylls and am anxious to get Ardor. Oh, yes, welcome, Aaron. no sig, just me. Don ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 22:05:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Joel Hart Subject: Introduction.... To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Well, I'm new here, so here's my homework: * Name: Joel Hart * Age: 21 * What is in your Enigma collection: MCMXC a.D., Cross of Changes, Return to Innocence CD-Single (US Release), Eyes of Truth CD-Single (German Release), Out from the Deep CD-Single (German Release), Age of Loneliness CD-Single (US Release), Mea Culpa (part II) (German Release). * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: I really like Enigma a lot and am looking forward to their next album very much. The first instance I ever heard Enigma was the radio play that Sadeness got here in the US. Then I forgot about them pretty much until the radio play that Return to Innocence got rekindled my interest. * Other artists you like: I listen to anything but Country and have favorites in just about every category, but Enigma is my ultimate favorite. I also like Dead Can Dance, and I've just recently heard Delerium and like them also. I've briefly heard Enchanted, but don't think they are near the quality of Enigma. * What course or job you're doing: I'm a student at Univ of Georgia in Athens, Ga...I also like to spend my spare time getting paid for trouble- shooting Microcomputers :) * Any other interesting information you wish to share: I've already had to think too much for the other questions...let's give my brain a break for now ! --- Joel ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________ | "Don't care what people say, | ---- Joel C. Hart ---- | | Just follow your own way, | jhart@phoenix.cs.uga.edu | | Don't give up and use the chance ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | To return to innocence." -- Enigma ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- \ Lyrics from Enigma are featured on the album "Cross of Changes" / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 00:39:15 -0400 From: drh@greatlakes.k12.mi.us (Don Harder) Subject: Intros galore To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all! My name is Don and I am a 19-year old student in the wonderful state of Michigan... The Great Lakes State, mind you. I've been a fan of Enigma from the first time I heard them. It's a really subtle, beautiful music that really goes beyond words and makes me feel like I am listening to a highly emotional, human side to a sound that needs no vocals. Beyond Enigma, I have listened to Deep Forest, which I now own both CDs to, and Delerium. Hope to see ya'll in the near future! Let your mind go and your body will follow... Hopefully to Ben & Jerry's ice cream! Harder "i believe that love is the answer... I believe that love will find a way." - Blessid Union of Souls from the album "Home", track one "I Believe" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 14:46:58 -0500 From: "John H. Ruszkowski" Subject: Iona To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Enigma Mailing List) I've heard someone mention that a female artist by the name of Iona sounds similar to Sandra and Sara Brightman. Can anybody out there give me a feedback on Iona. She has the following CDs available on the market; BEYOND THESE SHORES, BOOK OF KELLS, and IONA. John -- John H. Ruszkowski Technical Education & Documentation Phone: (708) 632-3126 Fax: (708) 632-4734 Mail Drop: IL27 3223 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 12:11:26 +0100 (BST) From: "The Silver-Flag Boy" Subject: Iona To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I've heard someone mention that a female artist by the name of Iona sounds > similar to Sandra and Sara Brightman. Can anybody out there give me a feedback > on Iona. She has the following CDs available on the market; BEYOND THESE SHORES, > BOOK OF KELLS, and IONA. Iona is the name of the group, the singer is called Joanne Hogg. The sound is more like Enya IMHO, overall very hypnotic. Alex .------------------------------------------------------------------------------ CGCE, 108 Holly Cross, Keele, Staffordshire, ST5 5JB u3a97@cc.keele.ac.uk Children of England, why do you run for your lives, When you need someone I'm gonna show? Sandra ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 14:31 PDT From: perryg@islandnet.com (Gregg Perry/Pilgrim Computer Resources) Subject: Iona To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >I've heard someone mention that a female artist by the name of Iona sounds >similar to Sandra and Sara Brightman. Can anybody out there give me a feedback >on Iona. She has the following CDs available on the market; BEYOND THESE SHORES, >BOOK OF KELLS, and IONA. > >John > >-- > John H. Ruszkowski > Technical Education & Documentation > Phone: (708) 632-3126 > Fax: (708) 632-4734 > Mail Drop: IL27 3223 > > > > John, Iona consists of: Joanne Hogg, Dave Bainbridge, Mike Haughton, Nick Beggs, and Terl Bryant. They have a good balance between vocal and instrumental stuff and you'd probably classify them as Celtic/Alternative (odd combo, but that's the best way I can think of to classify them). I don't know how much (if any) they're like Sandra or Sarah Brightman but they're not much like Enigma. They have the same sort of mystical feel, but the style and instruments are pretty different. I would recomend The Book of Kells if you are planning to get one of their albums. I think it's closer to Enigma than Beyond These Shores, but I haven't heard their first album so I don't know what it's like. Anyway, hope this helps. Cathryn Perry email: perryg@islandnet.com 1817 St. Ann's Place, RR 5 Duncan, BC V9L 4T6 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 18:04:36 -0400 From: mulyono@infi.net (Paninaro) Subject: Looking for Sandra Videoes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au To all fellow Sandra fans, I would be the glad if there was some kind soul out there who has tapes of sandra ( music videos ) who is willing to mail it to me in the US. I'll be more than happy to pay you for your troubles. To date I have not even seen a single video of hers, only CD's ( in which is also quite hard to find in this part of the world ) Please send me an estimate as to how much is needed ( convert to US currency ) for postage and the copy of the tape. Thanking in advance Dave mulyono@infi.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 95 11:36:54 PDT From: Flavio Monaco Subject: Looking for Sandra Videoes To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In Tue, 18 Jul 95 15:04:36 PDT , mulyono@infi.net said about "Looking for Sandra Videoes"... > To all fellow Sandra fans, I would be the glad if there was some kind soul > out there who has tapes > of sandra ( music videos ) who is willing to mail it to me in the US. I'll > be more than happy to > pay you for your troubles. To date I have not even seen a single video of > hers, only CD's ( in which > is also quite hard to find in this part of the world ) Please send me an > estimate as to how much is needed > ( convert to US currency ) for postage and the copy of the tape. Try take a look on telnet://videoexpress.com, I have found also Enigma videos there. *** See ya, mulyono@infi.net!!! *** /=-=-=-=-=-=> Monaco's <=-=-=-=-=-=\ |INTERNET: monacos@embratel.net.br | |COMPUSERVE: 102113,1524 | |----------------------------------| |THE END -**- SAO PAULO -**- BRAZIL| \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 14:45:50 -0400 From: mulyono@infi.net (Paninaro) Subject: Looking for Sandra Videoes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >In Tue, 18 Jul 95 15:04:36 PDT , mulyono@infi.net said about "Looking for >Sandra Videoes"... > >> To all fellow Sandra fans, I would be the glad if there was some kind soul >> out there who has tapes >> of sandra ( music videos ) who is willing to mail it to me in the US. I'll >> be more than happy to >> pay you for your troubles. To date I have not even seen a single video of >> hers, only CD's ( in which >> is also quite hard to find in this part of the world ) Please send me an >> estimate as to how much is needed >> ( convert to US currency ) for postage and the copy of the tape. > >Try take a look on telnet://videoexpress.com, I have found also Enigma videos >there. > >*** See ya, mulyono@infi.net!!! *** > > >/=-=-=-=-=-=> Monaco's <=-=-=-=-=-=\ >|INTERNET: monacos@embratel.net.br | >|COMPUSERVE: 102113,1524 | >|----------------------------------| >|THE END -**- SAO PAULO -**- BRAZIL| >\=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-oo-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ > tried it..but there was no sandra...*sniff* *sniff* thanks a lot anyway..now i know where to look to order tapes in the future! dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 08:27:53 -0700 From: trixx@ix.netcom.com (Vernon L Brooks Jr) Subject: Lost my Bookmarks! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Eee gads! I attempted to do a little housekeeping on my machine the other day, and seem to have lost all of my bookmarks for NetScape. This would include the Enigma page. Can somebody post the URL? Thanx, L8er.... ------- Vernon Brooks StereoWhiz@aol.com or Trixx@ix.netcom.com Another Stranded Motorist On The InfoBahn With Two Flats, One Spare, No Jack, And A Blown Speaker Rattling In My Door... =============================================== Do you like the Internet? Wanna keep it? A bill is proposed in congress that would force carriers to scrutinize everything that passes through their wires, for anything obscene, lewd, etc. for fear of prosecution. This may sound far fetched, but check it out. HTTP://WWW.CDT.ORG/PETITION.HTML http://oo.com/~manik/wolfnet.html Or Email me for my $.02 =============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 13:38:54 -0400 From: christ@li.net (Christian) Subject: Lost my Bookmarks! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Eee gads! I attempted to do a little housekeeping on my machine the other >day, and seem to have lost all of my bookmarks for NetScape. This would >include the Enigma page. Can somebody post the URL? Thanx, L8er.... here > http://www.hrs.no/~joarg/enigma.html also try netsearch. Chrsitian Escudero LI, New York ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 20:52:13 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Lost my Bookmarks! To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Jul 5, 1:38pm, Christian wrote: > >Eee gads! I attempted to do a little housekeeping on my machine the other > >day, and seem to have lost all of my bookmarks for NetScape. This would > >include the Enigma page. Can somebody post the URL? Thanx, L8er.... > > here > http://www.hrs.no/~joarg/enigma.html Actually, it's http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Enigma.html... And for the record, the Sandra page is at http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/Sandra.html. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 12:20:54 +1 From: Edwin Ollefers Subject: Multiple Masterings ? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > It's already been established that there are multiple masterings of The > Cross Of Changes floating around out there. H'mm, that's interesting. I'm new here so could you tell me something more about that, eg where is the difference ? (Are there different masterings for different coutries, etc....?) Thanx, Edwin [ -= Message from Edwin Ollefers =- ] [ Life is Short, Play it hard ! ] [---------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 10:59:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Music in a Nissan commercial... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, Has anyone seen the Nissan Pathfinder commercial where the truck is racing across open terrain? There is music being played in the background with a good enigma-like bass beat and chanting that sounds like I-A, I-A, I-A... Does anyone know who the artist was and what album it could possibly be? Thanks for any info. -Alex _______________________________________________________________ | __________ | | | ________ | ************************************** | | || || * --------- Alex de Dios ---------- * | | || FAS || * ---- adedios@fas.harvard.edu ---- * | | ||________|| * ----- FAS Computer Services ----- * | | | ____ | * -- Macintosh Network Specialist - * | | |__________| * ------ Science Center B-13 ------ * | | |________| ************************************** | | /::::::::::::\`~~| | | ================ [=] | |_______________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 18:44:00 +0200 From: "Williams, Andrew" Subject: Music in films To: "'Enigma Mailing list'" To continue with film music. This is not reaslly a film per se, but actually the first time that Enigma's music stuck in my mind (and has been there ever since) was when I was watching the very extensive (nightly) TV coverage of the Paris-Dakar race on Canal Plus (or was it Eurosport?) in Belgium. That was back in 1990 I think. Or would it have been 1991? Anyway, the combination of shots of desert and bikes was very, very seductive (and perhaps the same for the cars and lorries, but I am a bike person with a replica Honda Paris-Dakar Africa Twin). Kind of counts!! Is is any surprise that so many of us are getting 'infected' with the Enigma sound!! It's like love - 'all around'. Andy Williams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Jul 1995 11:10:43 -0500 (CDT) From: TAIPAN@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU Subject: Music in films To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I know enigma's music is kind of erotic and sexual, so some US film makers like to put enigma's music in some very seductive and erotic scene. So far, I know "Boxing Helena" had used Sadness part II in one of the make love scene. "Exit to Eden" had used Sadness part II too, and also they put Reture to innocent in another scene. You can imagine how seductive it is when enigma's music was put in the movies. Jeremy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 20:13:40 -0500 From: kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: Music in films To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au You wrote: > I know enigma's music is kind of erotic and sexual, so some US film > makers like to put enigma's music in some very seductive and erotic > scene. So far, I know "Boxing Helena" had used Sadness part II in one of > the make love scene. "Exit to Eden" had used Sadness part II too, and > also they put Reture to innocent in another scene. You can imagine how > seductive it is when enigma's music was put in the movies. > > > Jeremy However, there aren't that many "seductive" music in The Cross of Changes. I couldn't believe Cretu allowed his music to be viewed this way. <<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>> \ Kham@gatewest.net / / \ kham.sonethavilay@twilight-exchang.com / \ <<*>><<*>><<*>><<1>><<9>><<9>><<5>><<*>><<*>><<*>> <<*>> Time is nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 18:55:03 +0200 From: laylom80@MicroNet.fr (Herve GIRAULT) Subject: MY HOMEWORK ! To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au NAME : Herve GIRAULT. AGE : 30 years old. ENIGMA COLLECTION : SANDRA. - The Long Play. - Mirrors. - Ten On One (The Singles). - Into A Secret Land. - Close To Seven. - Paintings In Yellow. - Fading Shades. I'm a Sandra Fan since 1985 (Maria Magdalena). OTHER ARTISTS : ABBA. JOB : Technician (Electronics). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 23:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Poupon Douphayvan Subject: My two cents... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Lazlo Nibble wrote: > > You know, runnning a Mailing-list is a lot like running your own BBS. > > Everyone that come into is are GUESTS. Therefore we are subject to some > > rules and regulations. If those rules and regulations are not up to our > > standards, then we should just leave. > > As someone who used to run a BBS and now runs four mailing lists, *my* two > cents is that a list manager who sets up rules for his list and then > breaks them for his own personal convenience is a hypocrite. If you don't > like that opinion you're free to ignore it, just like Gavin is. > > Laz I absolutely agree with Laz. Why make a rule about not being able to auction anything on this list in the first place if you (Mr. Gavin Stock) plan to sell anything on it later on. It's very hypocritical. Don't mean to flame anybody but just giving you my *logical and critical* analysis. The point is, if you don't want anybody to auction anything here on the list then don't do it yourself! **Just my two-cents** Joe ++++ "WE CAME OUT FROM THE DEEP... ++++ TO LEARN TO LOVE, TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE ++++ WE CAME OUT FROM THE DEEP... ++++++++++++++ TO AVOID THE MISTAKES WE MADE. ++++++++++++++ THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!" ++++++++++++++ ***ENIGMA*** ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++ ============================================= = JOE POUPON DOUPHAYVAN = = Let's Get To It--Write Me! = = joedoupw@uclink2.berkeley.edu = = joedoupw@ocf.Berkeley.EDU = ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 01:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Poupon Douphayvan Subject: My two cents... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Sorry about my last post about the "flaming" thing...if that's what you call it....I've been gone for a while and haven't been reading my more recent email. And Gavin, my apologies to you if I've said anything wrong. Joe ++++ "WE CAME OUT FROM THE DEEP... ++++ TO LEARN TO LOVE, TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE ++++ WE CAME OUT FROM THE DEEP... ++++++++++++++ TO AVOID THE MISTAKES WE MADE. ++++++++++++++ THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!" ++++++++++++++ ***ENIGMA*** ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++ ============================================= = JOE POUPON DOUPHAYVAN = = Let's Get To It--Write Me! = = joedoupw@uclink2.berkeley.edu = = joedoupw@ocf.Berkeley.EDU = ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 21:09:38 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: New Album To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Kham. > Does anyone know what the next album of Enigma will be called or if the > style will remain the same as The Cross of Changes? Michael Cretu nor his management are willing to share any information about the new album yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's style will be different to both the first and second albums.... > Oh, and... in THe Dream of the Dolphin, was that Sandra's voice in it? I believe so. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 10:51:27 -0700 From: lourd@ix.netcom.com (Lourdes Oakley ) Subject: New member introduction To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au.Hello.fellow.Enigma.fans!My.name.is.Paul.Cruz.and.not.Lourdes Oakley, my mom. I only have to use her name because she is the one paying for the service which I'm using. I'm sixteen years old and will be turning seventeen this August. I live in San Jose, California. Enough about me, you probably want to hear more about my interest in Enigma. I accidently came by Enigma. The first time I heard them was probably when I was younger and my uncle had bought their record. We were listening to it and I remember it being different from any other music I heard before. It was probably eight years later that I was looking for cds, no particular one, when I saw Enigma 2 The Cross of Changes when it just came out. I remembered my uncle mentioning them and so I bought their CD without having heard their music through the radio or by the urging of anyone. What first attracted me was their unique cover which was mysterious and different. When I first listened to the CD I bought, it was nothing like I ever heard before. At first I thought it sounded weird but when my parents listened to it and said they liked it, I started to like it also. My dad said it sounded exotic. The more I listened to it, the more I liked it. Ever since then I started collecting more of Enigma's CDs. I have five Enigma CDs, their two albums and three singles. I don't have the two limited editions of their albums but I wish I did. The CD singles I have are Age of Loneliness, Eyes of Truth, and Out >From The Deep. I'm trying to collect all or most of their CD singles since I just love their remixes. I've been going to music stores and looking at their imports. I only found two but that was far from complete. I obtained the Goldmine Ads through the Internet and have found a lot of Enigma CDs I'm interested in. I've been trying to call Overseas Accress many times now but every time I call there phone is busy. I'm getting mad because they are the only place that I know of that has Enigma CD singles such as Sadeness Part 1 and Mea Culpa Part II. I've tried other on-line music stores but they only have their albums and not their singles. If you know of any other place that sells Enigma CD singles from both their albums please send the information to me. As you can tell, I'm really a big fan. I found their home page on the World Wide Web and looked at the artists similar to Enigma. One of them was Deep Forest. I looked ar Deep Forest's review and was impressed and bought their CD. Again, my first impression was this sounds weird but after listening to it many times, I enjoy it as much as I enjoy Enigma. I'm planning on buying Delerium since they were also listed as groups similar to Enigma. Well this is all I have to say because I'm reaching the maximum limit. This is the first time I wrote something like this. I've sent email messages before but none like this. Do I always have to do this because I just wanted to obtain information about Enigma? If I have to write someting to contribute to the mailing list, then its okay. I love sharing my thoughts about this fantastic group. Bye. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jul 95 11:13:16 From: "C:DEMONSPOOLMAIL" Subject: No Subject To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here is some info about myself Name: Nigel Hudson Age: 16 Enigma collection: MCMXC a.d. and Cross of Changes Fist heard Enigma: On charts when Sadeness was released in Britain, now I am a very big fan. Other artists I like: Nirvana, Portishead, Chemical Brothers. Status: At sixth form at Aston Comprehensive Other info: I want to know if there is a new Enigma album out soon.-- NIGEL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:30:25 -0500 From: Kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: No Subject To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au You wrote: > Here is some info about myself > Name: Nigel Hudson > Age: 16 > Enigma collection: MCMXC a.d. and Cross of Changes > Fist heard Enigma: On charts when Sadeness was released in Britain, now > I am a very big fan. > Other artists I like: Nirvana, Portishead, Chemical Brothers. > Status: At sixth form at Aston Comprehensive > Other info: I want to know if there is a new Enigma album out soon.-- > NIGEL 1996 is the scheduled release year of the third album from Enigma. <<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>><<*>> \ Kham@gatewest.net / / \ kham.sonethavilay@twilight-exchang.com / \ <<*>><<*>><<*>><<1>><<9>><<9>><<5>><<*>><<*>><<*>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:22:14 -0500 From: kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: Others To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Can anybody suggest the closest group that is similar to Enigma? I am going out to get a CD but unsure of which to get. I hear that Deep Forest is good, i also hear that Gregorian just like Enigma. WHat do you think? -----------------------<<*>>----------------------- \ Kham@gatewest.net / / \ / \ -----------------<<1>><<9>><<9>><<5>>-------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 19:59:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Others To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Kham Sonethavilay wrote: > Can anybody suggest the closest group that is similar to Enigma? I am going > out to get a CD but unsure of which to get. I hear that Deep Forest is > good, i also hear that Gregorian just like Enigma. WHat do you think? dude, if you can get hold of a Gregorian CD, you'd be a hero. Please tell me where u plan on getting the Gregorian Cd and tell me!! :) -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:57:47 -0500 From: kham@gatewest.net (Kham Sonethavilay) Subject: Others To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au You wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jul 1995, Kham Sonethavilay wrote: > > > Can anybody suggest the closest group that is similar to Enigma? I am going > > out to get a CD but unsure of which to get. I hear that Deep Forest is > > good, i also hear that Gregorian just like Enigma. WHat do you think? > > > dude, if you can get hold of a Gregorian CD, you'd be a hero. Please > tell me where u plan on getting the Gregorian Cd and tell me!! :) > Is Gregorian rare or is it found only in a certain place? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 00:47:41 -0400 From: drh@greatlakes.k12.mi.us (Don Harder) Subject: Others To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au At 03:22 PM 7/12/95 -0500, Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au wrote: >Can anybody suggest the closest group that is similar to Enigma? I am going >out to get a CD but unsure of which to get. I hear that Deep Forest is >good, i also hear that Gregorian just like Enigma. WHat do you think? >From the two Deep Forests that I have, I would highly suggest them. The second one ("Boheme"), IMHO, takes a little getting used to. But the first one ("Deep Forest") is just perfect. Let your mind go and your body will follow... Hopefully to Ben & Jerry's ice cream! Harder "i believe that love is the answer... I believe that love will find a way." - Blessid Union of Souls from the album "Home", track one "I Believe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 10:06:44 From: "C:DEMONSPOOLMAIL" Subject: Others To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In article: kham@gatewest.net writes: > Is Gregorian rare or is it found only in a certain place? There are two CD's of Gregorian music available in the UK, I have seen them in Virgin Megastore in Sheffield. -- NIGEL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 09:14:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Others To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, When you mean "Gregorian music", are you referring to the group Gregorian? I believe, some people have been mistaking the type of music "Gregorian", with the group called Gregorian. BTW, the album is called "Sadisfaction" and reads, Gregorian featuring Sisters of Oz. -Alex _______________________________________________________________ | __________ | | | ________ | ************************************** | | || || * --------- Alex de Dios ---------- * | | || FAS || * ---- adedios@fas.harvard.edu ---- * | | ||________|| * ----- FAS Computer Services ----- * | | | ____ | * -- Macintosh Network Specialist - * | | |__________| * ------ Science Center B-13 ------ * | | |________| ************************************** | | /::::::::::::\`~~| | | ================ [=] | |_______________________________________________________________| On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, C:DEMONSPOOLMAIL wrote: > In article: kham@gatewest.net > writes: > > > Is Gregorian rare or is it found only in a certain place? > > There are two CD's of Gregorian music available in the UK, I have seen them > in Virgin Megastore in Sheffield. > > -- > NIGEL > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Jul 95 12:04:02 +0100 (MOU) From: Flavio Monaco Subject: Presentation To: Enigma MailList Posting Here is my personal Enigma's presentation: * Name Flavio Monaco * Age 21 * What is in your Enigma collection MCMXC a.D. The Cross of Changes * Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are Local Brasilian radios at 1990. Sadeness Part I had a good listening here! * Other artists you like Deep Forest Jean Michael Jarre Mood Swings * What course or job you're doing (if any) I'm a Programmer/Analist * Any other interesting information you wish to share None especially at now, but I want know how much Enigma is famous around world. /=-=-=-=-=-=> Monaco's <=-=-=-=-=-=-\ |INTERNET: monacos@embratel.net.br | |COMPUSERVE: 102113,1524 | |-----------------------------------| |THE END -**- SAO PAULO -**- BRAZIL | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ * Monaco's 95 * Internet is funny, but I prefer PIZZA! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jul 1995 15:35:38 -0400 From: lucas@InterLink.NET Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Gavin. This question has been on my mind for quite some time now, and heck, I had a few minutes to kill so I said, "Let's go ahead and ask!". Please, if anyone can give me an answer, go right ahead. Question : I'd like to know how many movies used ENIGMA's music for their preview trailers in theaters. Here are the ones that I know of : Robin Hood, prince of thieves Body of Evidence Sliver (of course) I am certain that there are more to his list, so I would like to know about them. Also, Mr. Stok, could you tell me how they go about doing that? Do they have to ask permission, or they just do it and pay up the copyrights afterwards ? Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 01:00:08 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Jul 2, 3:35pm, lucas@InterLink.NET wrote: > Question : I'd like to know how many movies used ENIGMA's music for > their preview trailers in theaters. Here are the ones that I know of : > > Robin Hood, prince of thieves I haven't heard about this one. What Enigma song was used here? > Sliver (of course) Actually, I don't think Enigma's music was used in the trailer here, only some standard movie music that goes unnoticed. Cretu had probably not finished the Carly songs when the trailer was put together. Note that UB40's 'Can't Help Falling In Love With You' was used as the music video to show clips from the film, not 'Carly's Song'. > I am certain that there are more to his list, so I would like to There are a couple of more. 1492 - Conquest Of Paradise used 'Sadeness' in the trailer. So did Boxing Helena, which also featured an edit of 'Sadeness' in a scene in the film. > that? Do they have to ask permission, or they just do it and pay up the > copyrights afterwards ? I assume they contact the publishers of the music (in the case of Enigma it's Data-Alpha-Mambo, and Enigma Songs which appeared for Enigma 2) and get the permission, and pay the royalties for the use in the normal fashion. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 02:13:30 -0400 From: lucas@InterLink.NET Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >> >> Robin Hood, prince of thieves > >I haven't heard about this one. What Enigma song was used here? They used.. Euhmm.. Lemme see, Mea Culpa if my memory serves me right... And you could also hear it all over the SPECIAL ROBIN HOOD FEATURE that was presented on one of the BIG american networks. That was days before the world premiere. It was like a "making of..." Robin Hood and the title song was Mea Culpa. I really liked the blend of the Robin Hood era and the Enigma Sound.. It made the whole production seem.. How should I say ? Grand... :) >> Sliver (of course) > >Actually, I don't think Enigma's music was used in the trailer here, My mistake, you are absolutely right. They did not use it for the trailer. Didn't they make video for Carly's song with scenes from the movie as well ? >There are a couple of more. 1492 - Conquest Of Paradise used 'Sadeness' >in the trailer. So did Boxing Helena, which also featured an edit of >'Sadeness' in a scene in the film. Ha HA! 1492, that's the one I couldn't put my finger on. Thanks ! And I didn't know about BOXING HELENA either. Whoa, two more to add to my list. :) How about BODY OF EVIDENCE with Madonna and Willem Dafoe... You didn't mention if you knew about it or not... Just curious.. ;) Thanks for the quick response. /\/\arty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:29:28 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Howdy! > Question : I'd like to know how many movies used ENIGMA's music for > their preview trailers in theaters. Here are the ones that I know of : From the Enigma FAQ: SECTION 7: MISCELLANEOUS Where has ENIGMA's music been spotted? The music of ENIGMA has appeared in movie trailers, mini-series, movies, and promotions. Some spottings of the music include: * Sadeness part 1 features in the movie trailer to 1492 * Carly's Song and the Everlasting Lust Mix of The Principles of Lust appear in the movie trailer for Intersection * The Fading Shades Mix of Mea Culpa part II appears in advertising for the Australian series Law of the Land * During a scene in the movie Single, White Female, ENIGMA's music is heard when one of the women enter a bondage & discipline (B&D) club * Apart from Carly's Song and Carly's Loneliness, the Everlasting Lust Mix of The Principles of Lust appears in the movie Sliver > I am certain that there are more to his list, so I would like to > know about them. Also, Mr. Stok, could you tell me how they go about doing > that? Do they have to ask permission, or they just do it and pay up the > copyrights afterwards ? I am not sure of how movie producers go about getting the music. For Sliver, they approached Michael Cretu and asked him to do the whole soundtrack but he declined. For his existing songs, I presume they approach the record company and pay a fee to license the track for the film. I do not know any exacts. Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 12:39:33 +1 From: Edwin Ollefers Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > This question has been on my mind for quite some time now, and heck, > I had a few minutes to kill so I said, "Let's go ahead and ask!". > > Please, if anyone can give me an answer, go right ahead. > > > Question : I'd like to know how many movies used ENIGMA's music for > their preview trailers in theaters. Here are the ones that I know of : > > Robin Hood, prince of thieves > Body of Evidence > Sliver (of course) > I can add one, maybe, allthough it's not a movie a know that they are using a piece of Enigma's music in an MTV-clip (you know, the ones that make you think "What's all this about, I was watching my favorite program ...;-)) Greetz, Edwin [ -= Message from Edwin Ollefers =- ] [ Life is Short, Play it hard ! ] [---------------------------------------------------------] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 11:16:37 -0400 From: Thumper01@AOL.COM Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au In a message dated 95-07-03 07:46:48 EDT, you write: >> Question : I'd like to know how many movies used ENIGMA's >music for >> their preview trailers in theaters. Here are the ones that I know >of : >> >> Robin Hood, prince of thieves >> Body of Evidence >> Sliver (of course) >> > >I can add one, maybe, allthough it's not a movie a know that they are > >using a piece of Enigma's music in an MTV-clip (you know, the ones >that make you think "What's all this about, I was watching my >favorite program ...;-)) > >Greetz, Edwin I recently heard Enigma being played in the background on MTV's Real World, the first episode of their latest set of mannequins in London. It was just a passing clip, but it perked me up ;-) Thumper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:14:48 -0400 From: lucas@InterLink.NET Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello there. Thanks for the infos on the sightings of ENIGMA music in the movie industry. I have a bit of news on that. I don't know if y'all can catch ENTERTAINMENT TONIGHT (television show on entertainment news). Yesterday they were talking about a new movie that is coming out soon : BLISS. Starring Sheryl Lee and Greg Sheffer. During the segment on the "making of" I heard Sadness and another Enigma song (goshdarnit I can't remember the title). Anyways, I don't know if they will use the music in the movie or if they just used it for the segment... There ya go. :) Marty Lucas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 02:28:15 -0400 From: lucas@InterLink.NET Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >I can add one, maybe, allthough it's not a movie a know that they are >using a piece of Enigma's music in an MTV-clip (you know, the ones >that make you think "What's all this about, I was watching my >favorite program ...;-)) Hello there Edwin.. Although I do not catch MTV over here (in Montreal, you need a sattellite dish to get it) I really appreciate your info. Thanks again! Marty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 21:35:09 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Marty, > >> Sliver (of course) > > > >Actually, I don't think Enigma's music was used in the trailer here, > > My mistake, you are absolutely right. They did not use it for the > trailer. Didn't they make video for Carly's song with scenes from the movie > as well ? Yes, there was produced a video for 'Carly's Song' (the Enigma discography has some details). This video apparently never made it to the public, and hence few people know the actual video... > list. :) How about BODY OF EVIDENCE with Madonna and Willem Dafoe... You > didn't mention if you knew about it or not... I forgot this mention of 'Sadeness'. :) Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jul 1995 11:15:03 +0200 From: A.Lint@ET.TUDelft.NL Subject: Question to Mr. Stok To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Tue, 4 Jul 1995 joarg@hsr.no wrote: > Yes, there was produced a video for 'Carly's Song' (the Enigma > discography has some details). This video apparently never made it to > the public, and hence few people know the actual video... MTV Europe showed the video at least once in a program called MTV Dance, somewhere around September 1993. Compared to the other Enigma videos it was real rubbish. Probably just a quick job from the producers of Sliver. I have to go now (for the summer) See you in September. Alexander Lint (alint@et.tudelft.nl) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jul 1995 09:35:08 +0100 From: David_Lincoln@vie.co.uk Subject: Re[2]: Enigma-digest V1 #70 To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) Sorry, but CD-ROM does have error correction!! We couldn't write games without it!! The sectors are the same size, but CD-DA uses it all for music whilst CD-ROM uses most of it for data and the rest for error correction & checksums. Back to Enigma.... Dave :) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Enigma-digest V1 #70 Author: lazlo@rt66.com (Lazlo Nibble) at Internet Date: 04/07/ 0 14:14 > a 24k gold plated disk is a far-less imperfect surface onto which the > pits are etched than the standard aluminum coating...what this does (at > the miicroscopic level and at angstrom wavelengths) is reduce the > occurrance of error-correction thus maintaining more accurate data > interpretation (viz. bits-is-bits instead of > psuedo-bits-passing-for-bits) And this "theory" of yours explains aluminum-based CD-ROMs...how, exactly? CD-ROMs are physically identical to CDs; on a bit-by-bit level there is no difference between the two formats. The logical extension of your claim is that aluminum CD-ROMs are constantly spewing data errors right and left. Remember -- CD-ROM has *no provision for error correction*. I strongly advise you to stop reading the audiophile rags until you understand how CDs work and can distinguish facts from bullshit. SAMS has a good volume that explains just about everything you need to know. Laz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jul 1995 22:23:14 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: REVIEW: Fading Shades To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au With special thanks to Enigma's management and Virgin Germany, I present you with my review of "Fading Shades": REVIEW: FADING SHADES BY SANDRA [1995] Reviewer * Gavin Stok (gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au) I have never been a great fan of European pop which explains why Sandra's albums have never been my favourites. Her latest effort, "Fading Shades" continues to sound like a European pop-orientated album but with a more dance-orientated flavour. This can be attriubuted to Jens Gad doing the music on most of the tracks instead of Michael Cretu who has done it in the past. Regardless of the slightly changed style of music, Sandra's voice has the same attributes it always has. Different, however, is the significantly increased amount of background vocals used - none of which are credited. I guess that most of them are the voice of Jens Gad. Literally every track also has some electric guitars to some degree or other - something of which Jens Gad can clearly be attributed to. In fact, I will go as far as to say that the next Enigma album, Enigma 3, will not only have Jens Gad involved, but will also involve electric guitars to a great extent. My track-by-track rundown with a rating out of five asterisks goes as follows: Fading Shades (Part I) [1'02"] ** The introduction to the album is instrumental and is fine until the effect where the volume is quickly changed from low to high (it's a trick a lot of people do on their home stereo by quickly turning the volume up and down). There's not really much to say about it except that it nicely leads into the first vocal track. Nights in White Satin [3'34"] ***** My favourite track on the album, and her first single, "Nights in White Satin" has a nice feel about it, with Sandra's vocals sounding clear and strong. There's a nice blend of electric guitar and background vocals which gives the track an uplifting atmosphere without sounding too pop-orientated. Son of a Time Machine [5'01"] **** Having a nice underlying beat, this track has a catchy chorus and once again uses a great degree of background vocals and spots of electric guitars. It is a bit repetitive in the vocal department, but still has a nice overall sound to it. Won't Run Away [4'14"] ** Her second single, "Won't Run Away" is a classic European pop sounding track where lyrics are continuously repeated, a sense of urgency is shown by an increased key change towards the end, and the samples are short and chirpy. I find it surprising that this was chosen as her second single, but perhaps Europeans will love this kind of track with it being released in summer. Tell Me More [3'15"] ** Another uplifting track with short and chirpy samples, this track is more listenable than "Won't Run Away". It is, however, short on samples, and lacks any decent lyrics in the chorus. The background vocals are used well, but with the chorus sung a staggering six times for a three minute song, it doesn't have enough originality. Will You Whisper [4'13"] * I have never viewed Sandra as a fantastic singer. This song, a slow ballad, clearly confirms for me just how nasal and off-key she can sound when she is given the wrong song. I honestly cringe everytime I hear this track! Invisible Shelter [5'20] *** Starting very promisingly with Gad's instrumentation for the first minute and three-quarters, the track then redirects towards a beat and vocals. Unfortunately it is also at this stage that the track goes from one reminiscent of what Michael Cretu would be know for, to another more dance-orientation and pop-sounding track. More of a duet than anything, this track shows good reasoning why background vocals should have been credited. You Are So Beautiful [4'38"] **** Reminiscent of "Son of a Time Machine", this track has a nice underlying beat, good use of guitars, and a catchy chorus. The normal background vocals formula applies (Sandra sings one or two lines, background vocalist sings one line) and due to the good instrumentation and catchiness of the chorus, it is worthy of being a single. The trick of adding a cheering group of people in the background towards the end of the song was effective. I Need Love '95 [3'28] *** Originally on the "Close to Seven" album, this version of the track still uses all the samples from the original, but also adds some more. Cretu plays around with Sandra's voice to good effect, and makes the beat more electric guitar driven. Overall the track is not drastically different to the original, but gives it more of a technological sound through the vocal effects, and more of a rock sound through the use of the electric guitar. First Lullaby [4'20"] ***** Clearly written for the twins Michael & Sandra are expecting in July 1995, the track makes great use of samples, notably through the soft choir voices in the background, and samples normally associated with fairytales. The melody of the chorus is extremely catchy and the lyrics are intimate and personal to people who are aware of whom the track is written for. The track becomes more climatic towards the end through the use of the choir becoming louder which is extremely effective. Overall, a track which puts across a great atmosphere and intimacy - it is worthy of being a single. Fading Shades (Part II) [1'06"] ** This track is nicely blended into at the end of "First Lullaby" and as for "Fading Shades (Part I)" sounds fine except for the sound effect where the volume is quickly raised and lowered. _________________________________________________________________ Overall, "Fading Shades" is an album which Sandra fans will enjoy to a lesser extent than her previous albums, and which people who haven't previosly heard her albums will only like for a few tracks. This review is (C)opyright 1995, Gavin Stok ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 03:45:52 -0700 From: lourd@ix.netcom.com (Lourdes Oakley ) Subject: Sadeness Part I, Mea Culpa part II, and Michael Cretu To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au.Is.it.difficult.finding.the.CD.Maxi-Singles.Sadeness.Part.I.and.Mea Culpa Part II by Enigma since they're old singles. Most stores don't have them since CD singles usually come and go. Does anyone know where I could find them. Also, are the CD Maxi-Singles the same size as regular CDs and what's so special about Maxi-Singles? I found the Enigma discography and found the Enigma remixes to Sadeness Part I remixed by Pool West. It contains 7 mixes. Does anyone know where I can find this also. I'm having trouble finding Michael Cretu records. How are his records like. How many does he have? Sorry if I'm asking for too much but I just love Engima and want to get their CDs I don't have. Thanx to everyone whose helped me find the CDs I'm looking for!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 13:19:18 -0500 From: etix@hti.net (Jeff Tix) Subject: Sandra To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au, enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi there. I'm new to the group, and I really should fill out one of those forms first, but I do have a question that I would like to toss out. Its probably old hat for most you. I have a difficult time getting hold of CD's by Sandara and other artists. I don't exactly live in a cultural center, or maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places. Requests for special orders are frequently met with blank, vapid stares followed by the word "Who?". If any of you are aware of better mail order houses like HOS and others, I'd like to know about them. I already get the HOS stuff. I'd just like to know if there are others as well. Thanks! STARFLEET OUT! Jeff Tix etix@hti.net (Don't ask about the "e", okay?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 12:08:29 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: Sandra's first single To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Inge's got a question. I've been asking this question for 9 (!) years but until now no one was able to give me an answer. So, here it is: Is it true, that before "Maria Magdalena" Sandra released another single titled "Japan ist weit", a german version of Alphaville's hit "Big in Japan"??? It's produced by Michael Cretu and became an absolutely big flop - that's what I know about it. If that single really exits, where can I get a copy of it? I'd even take an 8-Bit-mono-11-kHz-sampled-wave-file! Thanx, INGE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 20:41:43 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Sandra's first single To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Inge. To answer your question regarding singles released before "Maria Magdalena", I can tell you there were 2: 1. Andy Mein Freund [single 1976] This was a 7" made in Germany featuring Andy, Mein Freund and Ich Bin Noch Sehr Jung. I do not own this item and haven't heard it. 2. Japan Ist Weit [single 1984] This is a 7" made in Germany, released on Virgin with catalog # 106 430-100. It features Japan Ist Weit (3'53") and Sekunden (3'29").... I do not own this item and haven't heard it. I hope this helps answer your decade-old question! Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 01:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Poupon Douphayvan Subject: SANDRA--FADING SHADES To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au A few days ago I managed to pick up a copy of Sandra's Fading Shades at Rasputin's (a Berkeley cd shop with lots of Enigma singles). It was the only copy they had and I must say I was very fortunate to find it....so there definately was no thinking it over--I had to get it right away. Fading Shades is absolutely amazing. Not a disappointment at all. One of my favorite Sandra albums of all time. The cover is quite different from the older Sandra cds. It really does stand out. There's a closeup of Sandra's face. Is that her hair we see in the background? It's weird because they seem to stick out like little twigs. It's unusual but very nice. And of course, Sandra is a babe--especially the photo of her on the back cover of the cd. The music itself is very Euro-pop...similar to Sandra's older albums such as Mirrors...but more of a dance/techno feel to it. I seem to like the album version of Nights In White Satin better than the single's radio edit (although they are pretty much the same). Perhaps it's because Fading Shades (part 1) is used as an intro to Nights In White Satin. It's nice how Fading Shades mixes right into Nights In White Satin. It reminds me a lot of the Enigma albums. Now I only wish Sandra would have released Nights In White Satin starting off with the Fading Shades instrumental. The two works perfectly together. Son of A Time Machine is an excellent track. Sandra's vocals just make you melt....but then again she seems to have that effect on every song. Won't Run Away---Great choice for the next single. Very upbeat dance/pop music. It runs along the line of Everlasting Love (the Pete Hammond/PWL remix). Just superb! Tell Me More--Another great dance track. Same as Won't Run Away. Will You Whisper--What a beautiful ballad. You simply have to hear it before going to bed.... Invisible Shelter--Although Sandra sings only the chorus on this one, the song is just excellent. It starts off slowly then builds into a super techno/pop hit. And the way Sandra says "Can you feel me tonight?"....Wow!!! You Are So Beautiful--Very upbeat dance track...similar to the older Sandra materials. I Need Love ('95)--One word BRILLIANT!!!--Michael Cretu did an excellent job with this remix. I like how it's slower that the album version on Close To Seven. It sounds very Enigma. First Lullaby--What a touching ballad. I can just imagine Sandra singing this one to her twins. It's very beautiful and calming. I really like how it ends with Fading Shades (part 2). They flow so well together. So here's how I would rank Sandra's albums from 1 to 10: Fading Shades (10) 18 Greatest Hits (9) Sandra--Greatest Hits (10) Close To Seven (9) Paintings In Yellow (10) Everlasting Love (US Best Of Comp.) (8) Into A Secret Land (8) Ten On One (8) Mirrors (10) The Long Play (9) Sorry about the high rankings--but I'm a big fan! For all you US Sandra/Enigma fans out there--special order Fading Shades right away. It's a definite must have IMO. Cheers, Joe Berkeley, CA USA ++++ "WE CAME OUT FROM THE DEEP... ++++ TO LEARN TO LOVE, TO LEARN HOW TO LIVE ++++ WE CAME OUT FROM THE DEEP... ++++++++++++++ TO AVOID THE MISTAKES WE MADE. ++++++++++++++ THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE!" ++++++++++++++ ***ENIGMA*** ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++ ++++ ============================================= = JOE POUPON DOUPHAYVAN = = Let's Get To It--Write Me! = = joedoupw@uclink2.berkeley.edu = = joedoupw@ocf.Berkeley.EDU = ============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 19:59:02 +0300 From: Antti Nuoreva Subject: SANDRA--FADING SHADES To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi! First, I thought I would comment every part of your 'report', but when I tried, I just would have made the same sentences again! So, I can just say YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY 100% RIGHT! On that CD, her voice is even more seductive than in the previous ones. She really can combine heavy breathing and beautiful singing! Hmm..that's impossible to describe, it must be heard! Here are some comments, though: >Will You Whisper--What a beautiful ballad. You simply have to hear it >before going to bed.... Hmm...I must disagree...because if you go to bed right after that song, 1) you'll miss the rest of the songs on the CD and 2) you CAN'T sleep for some time...:-) :-) >Invisible Shelter--Although Sandra sings only the chorus on this one, the >song is just excellent. It starts off slowly then builds into a super >techno/pop hit. And the way Sandra says "Can you feel me tonight?"....Wow!!! YES! _WOW_! >I Need Love ('95)--One word BRILLIANT!!!--Michael Cretu did an excellent >job with this remix. I like how it's slower that the album version on >Close To Seven. It sounds very Enigma. Again, you are absolutely right! This remix is even better than the original, which was great too! It brings some power to the backgrounds, making it sound like a slow song with very heavy beat...REALLY GREAT! >First Lullaby--What a touching ballad. I can just imagine Sandra singing >this one to her twins. It's very beautiful and calming. I really like >how it ends with Fading Shades (part 2). They flow so well together. Yes, that is very beautiful song too, unlike the ballads usually nowadays...very touching... >So here's how I would rank Sandra's albums from 1 to 10: > >Fading Shades (10) I vote the same >18 Greatest Hits (9) >Sandra--Greatest Hits (10) >Ten On One (8) I don't vote this because they are collections :-) >Close To Seven (9) I vote 10! >Paintings In Yellow (10) Agree! >Everlasting Love (US Best Of Comp.) (8) I don't have this version since I live in Finland so I don't vote :-) >Into A Secret Land (8) Yes, maybe 8.5 >Mirrors (10) Agree! >The Long Play (9) Yes, maybe even 8.5, it's getting a bit old...I have heard it so so many many times...but even the 'Maria Magdalena' is still great! The reason that I don't vote the collections at all is that I want to hear the albums their completeness, not song from some and then another from another... >Sorry about the high rankings--but I'm a big fan! Hey, you can't help the truth! Those ARE great albums! :-) >For all you US Sandra/Enigma fans out there--special order Fading Shades >right away. It's a definite must have IMO. ABSOLUTELY! Sorry if these opinions annoy someone, but I really mean those! They are not any kind of propaganda! :-) Antti ______________________________________________________ Antti Nuoreva Helsinki, Finland EMail: atn@lizard.pp.fi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:08:27 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: SANDRA--FADING SHADES To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hey guys, I just read those enthusiastic mails; they remind me of some "good old times" when I was about 14 years old and the greatest Sandra-Fan in the world. Can you imagine what it means when you have NO chance to get any record of your favourite star (because you live in a totally isolated country, the GDR)? It means sitting in front of the radio hour by hour having one finger on the "record"-button of the tape deck. West German radio staions were far away, so the stereo sound was terrible; East German programmes played 90% east german music. If Sandra reached the Top 10 list with a song it could be heard very often, for example "Maria Magdalena", "In the heat of the night". The other ones came veeeery seldom, like "Little girl" or "Loreen". That's why I was madly happy when I finally got a copy of one of those "rarities", as happy as a man who receives an Acadamy Award. Today you go into a record store - and there you have it. Times have significantly changed. Words are too poor to decribe the feelings when I held the album "Mirrors" for the first time in my hands (it was a gift by a friend), I listened to it maybe a thousand times. Sandra - just the name meant magic. ... and ten years later I communicate with other fans ALL OVER THE WORLD while the CD "Fading Shades" turns round and round in the CD-Player... In the 80's I met many people who said: "Sandra? Won't last three years. Soon she will be out of the music business." Now we have 1995 and she's still in! Some say: "She can't sing. This voice is too high, sounds like a crying cat. The songs are of the same style like Jack White (Laura Branigan) or Frank Farian (Boney M.) productions. Just commercial music." We all know: They didn't listen close enough. Sandra's voice doesn't sound like any other; you don't need more then one second to identify it. It's more difficult to tell apart Sally Oldfield from Maggie Reilly. But Sandra has not only an unique voice, she's also able to USE it. I mean she doesn't simply SING, she LIVES the songs. She puts many soul into the music. Who can resist when she sings "Just hold me once again 'cause I love you" (would you feel the same if you'd hear Madonna singing this?). ... that desperating cry of loneliness in the dark: "Oh I loooooove you" in "Nights in white satin". Bonnie Raitt once told the following words about Aretha Franklin: "... even though the music was always incredible, somehow I knew that she had to always get into the lyrics before she could sing 'em." That's exactly how to picture Sandra performing her songs. Perhaps this is also the reason why Richard Branson wanted HER to do the vocals for Enigma. I've been always told to be "cuh-ray-zee" because of my attitude towards the german artist named Sandra. Did I finally find people sharing my opinion about this kind of music? After years of "isolation" and "desperation", years of asking over and over again: "Am I the only one in the world thinking that way about Sandra?", after all these years I read letters containg words that might have been written by me! It's a wonderful feeling. Inge is happy. At least one word about my hitlist of all albums written or produced by Michael Cretu: In a scale from 1 to 10 they're at 10; except the albums "Paintings in yellow" and "MCMXC a.D.": I put them at 11. INGE ****************************************** e-mail: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de ****************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 22:24:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Sandra-like music...like Gregorian To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, For all you Enigma fans that would like to sample music from Gregorian, definitely buy Dive or at least "Once in a Lifetime" (if a CD single exists). The song "Once in a Lifetime" is practically the same "Once in a Lifetime" by Gregorian. The major difference between the two are the lyrics. Sarah's version is focused on Dolphins (I think) and Gregorian's is focused on (Love-making!?). I still prefer Gregorian's version though. Anyway, I'd like to hear some responses from the people who have listened to both versions. -Alex _______________________________________________________________ | __________ | | | ________ | ************************************** | | || || * --------- Alex de Dios ---------- * | | || FAS || * ---- adedios@fas.harvard.edu ---- * | | ||________|| * ----- FAS Computer Services ----- * | | | ____ | * -- Macintosh Network Specialist - * | | |__________| * ------ Science Center B-13 ------ * | | |________| ************************************** | | /::::::::::::\`~~| | | ================ [=] | |_______________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 12:09:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Paul Nguyen Subject: Sandra-like music...like Gregorian To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Alexander Dedios wrote: > Hi all, > > For all you Enigma fans that would like to sample music from Gregorian, > definitely buy Dive or at least "Once in a Lifetime" (if a CD single > exists). The song "Once in a Lifetime" is practically the same "Once in a > Lifetime" by Gregorian. The major difference between the two are the > lyrics. Sarah's version is focused on Dolphins (I think) and Gregorian's > is focused on (Love-making!?). I still prefer Gregorian's version though. > Anyway, I'd like to hear some responses from the people who have listened > to both versions. hi Alex, i like both versions because they are unique in their own ways. But, have you heard the extended remix for Gregorian's Once in a lifetime? now, that one really rocks. I like it better than the one on the album though. She sings better in the extend version. Brightman's version is great, the lyrics are kinda strange. i can't make any sense of it, but her voice and singing makes up for it :) later. -Paul Nguyen st8av@bayou.uh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 13:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Dedios Subject: Sandra-like music...like Gregorian To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > hi Alex, > i like both versions because they are unique in their own ways. > But, have you heard the extended remix for Gregorian's Once in a > lifetime? now, that one really rocks. I like it better than the one on > the album though. She sings better in the extend version. Brightman's > version is great, the lyrics are kinda strange. i can't make any sense of > it, but her voice and singing makes up for it :) > later. > > -Paul Nguyen > st8av@bayou.uh.edu What is this extended remix? Is this included in your friend's French version? Or are you referring to a Brightman extended remix? Please shower me with more info! :) Take it easy. -Alex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 13:25:33 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Sandra like music : Sarah Brightman To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, I've bought last time some albums and singles wich are very similar to Cretu's music, and I'd like to say something about them : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- from Sarah Brightman : ! The following cd's are all (co-)arranged and produced (most songs also co-written) by FRANK PETERSON, who was also involved on Sandra's "Paintings in Yellow" and "Into a secret land" albums and (known as F.GREGORIAN) on the "MCMXC a.D." album. - CDMaxi "A question of honour" <..***> EastWest 0630-10829-2 (1995) 1 A question of honour (radio edit) <..***> 2 A question of honour (extended version) <.****> 3 On the Nile <..***> "A question of honour" is a very strange song, it begins with opera-like singing with some synthesizers, after that there's a good Enigma-like dance beat on wich the verses and chorus are sung. It doesn't contain many lyrics, but the melodies are very good. At the end there's again the opera part. I prefer the extended version above the radio edit, because in the radio edit the song itself (without the opera parts) is a bit short, in the extended version this part is much longer, and better. "On the Nile" is a very short song, wich only exsits of some synthesizers (no drums) and singing, but it sounds very well. I don't know if this single is already available outside Germany, but if so it's worth buying. - Album "Dive" <*****> A&M 540 083-2 (1993) In general : All songs contain beautiful melodies, and there are many short very good keyboard and guitar solo's (just like on the "MCMXC a.D." and Sandra's "Close to seven" albums). This album is very much like what I expected from the new Sandra album, but "Fading Shades" doesn't even come near the beauty of this album. I think this will become one of my alltime favorite albums, together with among others "MCMXC a.D." and Sandra's "Paintings in yellow" and "Close to seven". I can strongly recommend this album to all Sandra fans, especiallly to those who think that "Paintings in yellow" and "Close to seven" are her best albums, and who think that "Fading shades" is disappointing. The track listing is as follows : (I didn't have the CD with me so I can't write down the song credits at this moment, but most songs are co-written and arranged by Frank Peterson and the album is produced by Frank Peterson with Sarah Brightman). 1 Dive <..***> This is an instrumental intro with some spoken words, just like the intro's on the Enigma albums. 2 Captain Nemo <*****> This is one of the best songs of the album, it starts very quiet, but towards the end it becomes more complicated, with guitars and a choir. 3 The second element <..***> This is also a good pop song like many Sandra songs, with a good guitar solo at the end. 4 Ship of fools <.****> This is a beautiful ballad. 5 Once in a lifetime <.****> Also a very good pop song 6 Cape Horn This is an introduction to the next song it contains an exerpt from the movie "Mutiny on the Bounty" 7 A salty dog <*****> Also a beautiful ballad I think the lyrics are inspired by Mutiny on the Bounty and/or other similar movies 8 Siren <*****> Beautiful, very Enigma-like, introduction to the next song 9 Seven seas <*****> In my opinion the best song from the album. It has a bass very similar to that from Sandra's song Paintings in Yellow. 10 Johnny wanna live <.****> Indeed this is the same song as Sandra recorded for her "Paintings in Yellow" and rerecorded for her "18 greatest hits" albums. This is also a very good version wich also contains elements from the extended version on Sandra's CDMaxi/12". (Since I know Sandra's versions for about 2 and a half years, and this one only a few days I think this one is not as good as Sandra's version, but maybe when I should have heard this one before Sandra's version I would have liked this version more.) 11 By now <..***> This is also a good song, but I think the chorus is to easy. 12 Island <..***> This song is very similar to By Now. 13 When it rains in America <..***> Another good pop song. 14 La mer <*****> A bit Enigma like, with spoken words in the verses and many melodies with keyboards, it has many similarities with some songs from Sandra's album "Close to seven", especially the song Steady me 15 The second element II <..***> The same song as the 3rd, but with some other lyrics, and very different instruments; this version sounds very acoustic. I think I prefer the 'normal' version (=song 3) from Andi Slavik & Susanne Kemmler : - CDMaxi "Indian Spirits" <..***> MCA : MCD 31725 (1994) - CDMaxi "Close to heaven" <.****> MCA : MCD 31748 (1994) - CDMaxi "Will I be faithful?" <.****> MCA : MCD 32339 (1995) - Album "Close to heaven" <..***> MCA : MCD 32335 (1995) "Indian Spirits" is from the C&A commercial, shown many times on MTV and maybe some other channels, about 1 and a hlf years ago. On the CDMaxi of "Will I be faithful?" are 2 mixes by JENS GAD, instead of the house mixes on the Enigma singles (I don't like that mixes) these are good mixes, wich preserve the style of the original version. On the "thanks to.." listing on the "Close to heaven" single and album is MICHAEL CRETU mentioned (I don't know why). Most songs are (co-)written by HUBERT KEMMLER, who also co-wrote many of Sandra's and Cretu's songs, and who recorded some albums by himself as HUBERT KAH. (Also on that albums he worked together with CRETU) Most songs have similarities to Cretu's music. Also these cd's are much better than Sandra's "Fading shades" album. These reviews : (C)opyright Robin Wessels 1995 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to hear from others what they think of all above mentioned albums and singles. Robin Wessels R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl P.S. My grading system is as follows : <-> : disgusting <.....> : very bad <....*> : bad <...**> : average <..***> : good <.****> : very good <*****> : fantastic : this song hasn't been graded. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:24:13 GMT From: harry@g3server.sc.ti.com (Harry Ahluwalia) Subject: Sandra like music : Sarah Brightman To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hello Robin and all: I too have the album "Dive" by Sarah Brightman and think too highly of it. In fact this album inspired me to purchase 4 of Sandra's albums. I have mentioned Sandra's superior vocal delivery but Sarah is no second to her. I agree Sarah's music is a lot similar to Sandra's. I did not notice the Frank Peterson commonality but another person by the name of Peter Weihe (pardon my spelling) the guitarist for both "Dive" and "Everlasting Love" by Sarah and Sandra respectively. I like Sandra and Sarah type music - can anyone suggest more artists of the same type of vocals and music ? In America, I could not find any more albums of Sarah. Are there anymore releases by her ? From the msg you (Robin) indicated there seem to be several releases under her. I couldn't really understand. My favorite songs from Sarah's "Dive" album are:- 1) Captain Nemo 2) Once In A Life Time 3) When It rains In America 4) La Mer Any views/comments on the Sarah's music ???? By the way, is Sarah German or English ? Or American. She is also the lead performer for "Phantom of the Opera". Regards, Harry Ahluwalia harry@pilot35.sc.ti.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 14:26:09 +0700 (PDT) From: claudio@ixi.COM Subject: Sandra like music : Sarah Brightman To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > Any views/comments on the Sarah's music ???? By the way, is Sarah German or > English ? Or American. She is also the lead performer for "Phantom of the > Opera". I think she's english. She used to be married to Andrew Lloyd Webber, nuff said. I've got the CDsingle of "Capt Nemo" which is very good, but don't have the album. I may have to remedy that. Still, am i right in my memory of someone dressed in silver singing "I lost my heart to a starship trooper" on Top Of The Pops way back in '78? Legs & Co....Mmmmmmmm :-) claudio ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 10:52:44 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Sandra like music : Sarah Brightman To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Hello Robin and all: > >I too have the album "Dive" by Sarah Brightman and think too highly of it. >In fact this album inspired me to purchase 4 of Sandra's albums. > [...deleted] >In America, I could not find any more albums of Sarah. Are there anymore >releases by her ? From the msg you (Robin) indicated there seem to be several >releases under her. I couldn't really understand. > Below "Dive" I wrote something about some releases by Andi Slavik & Susanne Kemmler, this hasn't anything to do with Sarah, but also this is great music, wich also has similarities to Cretu's music. As far as I know Sarah sings from about 1978, so there will be a lot releases by her, but I don't know what. > [... deleted] >Any views/comments on the Sarah's music ???? By the way, is Sarah German or >English ? Or American. She is also the lead performer for "Phantom of the >Opera". I think she's American, On the album "As I came of age", (from 1990) wich I hired for a week at the local library (that was the only cd they had of Sarah), there was mentioned that there is a fanclub in Los Angelos (Frank Peterson didn't contribute to that album) >Regards, >Harry Ahluwalia >harry@pilot35.sc.ti.com Robin Wessels R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 19:53:22 -0400 From: jfsmith@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jerry Smith) Subject: Sandra Records To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I found at my local Camelot Music Store, Two Sandra Albums..... 1) Ten On One (The Singles) 2) 18 Greatest Hits Wow!!!! Jerry Smith jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us and various other places "Turn out the lights, take a deep breath,....Relax" Mea Culpa Part II Enigma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 21:43:26 -0400 From: mulyono@infi.net (Paninaro) Subject: Sandra Records To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > > I found at my local Camelot Music Store, Two Sandra Albums..... > > 1) Ten On One (The Singles) > 2) 18 Greatest Hits > > Wow I found at my local Blockbuster Music store every single album of Sandra plus they have special ordered Fading Shades for me, cant wait for it to arrive. Dave mulyono@infi.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 95 18:54:28 CDT From: woody Subject: The Deseo Remixes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au For Deep Forest fans only: I just found a new various artists cd with new Deep Forest mixes on it (unavailable on other cd). It's called "The Deseo Remixes" and it's based on Jon Anderson's album by the same name. I hadn't seen anything on this list regarding this release. Is it new? The mixes include work by FSOL and Deep Forest (2 different mixes by them) and some other guys. Not bad stuff but nothing like the Deep Forest albums. Much more techno oriented. Does anybody know the story behind this cd? It has a wonderfully trippy 3D cover. Cheers, Woody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 23:28:35 -0400 From: SKESSLER@AOL.COM Subject: The Deseo Remixes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Where did you find it? How can I get my grubby hands on one???? Thanks in advance.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 08:28:04 CDT From: woody Subject: The Deseo Remixes To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Here's the information on this disc: Tracks: 1. "Deep Floresta" by Deep Forest 5:59 2. "Intercity 125 Mix" by Trans-Global Underground 7:46 3. "Speed Deep" by Deep Forest 6:36 4. "Master Mute vs The Tone-E Programme Mix" Trans-Global Underground 7:22 5. "FSOL Deseo Reconstruction" FSOL 7:51 6. "Amor Real" Global Communication 8:58 7. "Master Mute Instrumental Mix" Trans-Global Underground 7:17 8. "Bless This" Global Communication 7:19 It's copyright 1995 on High Street Records (The Netherlands). Distributed in the US by BMG. Executive Producer: Robert Duskis The liner reads: Best known as the lead singer of the rock supergroup Yes, Jon Anderson was joined by prominent Latin American musicians to produce "Deseo"-- the original recording which is the source of these remixed interpretations. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 07:02:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Judge Cody Kirkwood Subject: Those singles... To: Enigma Listserver I know this is improper, but I thought I might go ahead and express an interest in that Principles of Lust single that Dinh had bought at BB Music... I've looked EVERYWHERE for this and haven't been able to locate a EUROPEAN version of it--only the Japanese import which I do not want... I would appreciate any help in finding or purchasing this single--I'd be willing to pay for it by mail, which I don't usually do... hehehe :) Thanks for your time... ****************************************************************************** Judge Cody Kirkwood judge@jove.acs.unt.edu The Eyes Of Truth Are Always Watching You Geek Code 3.0 GMD/AT d-(--) s+:++ a17 C++>++++ UL>++++/S++>+++ P+ W++ | ENIGMA Will L>++++ E---- N+++ K- w--- O-- M-- V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP- | Save The t+++ 5-- X- R tv+(--) b DI++ D++(---) G e- h!(*) !r y?>+ | Planet ****************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 23:11:43 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: Those singles... To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > I know this is improper, but I thought I might go ahead and >express an interest in that Principles of Lust single that Dinh had >bought at BB Music... I've looked EVERYWHERE for this and haven't been >able to locate a EUROPEAN version of it--only the Japanese import which I >do not want... > I would appreciate any help in finding or purchasing this >single--I'd be willing to pay for it by mail, which I don't usually do... >hehehe :) > > Thanks for your time... > >****************************************************************************** >Judge Cody Kirkwood judge@jove.acs.unt.edu > The Eyes Of Truth Are Always Watching You > >Geek Code 3.0 >GMD/AT d-(--) s+:++ a17 C++>++++ UL>++++/S++>+++ P+ W++ | ENIGMA Will >L>++++ E---- N+++ K- w--- O-- M-- V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP- | Save The >t+++ 5-- X- R tv+(--) b DI++ D++(---) G e- h!(*) !r y?>+ | Planet >****************************************************************************** > > Inge's suggestion: Tomorrow I'll go into a record shop and ask for "Principles of lust". If it's possible for them to order a copy for me, YOU have the decision: 1) you wait for the ordered copy (2...3 weeks) 2) Inge sends HER single to you - of course in "used look" (and I'll take the ordered one); then you'll have it at the end of the week 3) try it another way. The costs will propably be at $10...$14. The earlier you tell me your decision the earlier you get the single... INGE ****************************************** e-mail: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de ****************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 10:10:52 -0700 From: lourd@ix.netcom.com (Lourdes Oakley ) Subject: Trouble finding Sandra and Delerium To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au.I'm.trying.to.find.Enigma.related.artists.like.Sandra.and.Delerium in music stores but I've been unsuccessful. I notice that a lot of people on this mailing list has Sandra's CD but where did you get it? If anyone knows of any place where I can buy Sandra, Delerium, and Enigma CD singles from their first record please tell me. Tell me the store name and their phone number. Also, can anyone give me a review of Delerium's music. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 15:47:30 -0400 From: tim@enterprise.nwi.fws.gov (Tim Fritz) Subject: Trouble finding Sandra and Delerium To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >in music stores but I've been unsuccessful. I notice that a lot of >people on this mailing list has Sandra's CD but where did you get it? >If anyone knows of any place where I can buy Sandra, Delerium, and >Enigma CD singles from their first record please tell me. Tell me the There is a place called the CD Connection and they're on the net. Telnet to cdconnection.com. They have an affiliate that carries many imports, telnet to cdeurope.com. I just ordered a Sandra CD from CD Europe last week. It's around $20 US with shipping. -=TRF=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 22:11:37 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: Trouble finding Sandra and Delerium To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >in music stores but I've been unsuccessful. I notice that a lot of >people on this mailing list has Sandra's CD but where did you get it? >If anyone knows of any place where I can buy Sandra, Delerium, and >Enigma CD singles from their first record please tell me. Tell me the >store name and their phone number. > Also, can anyone give me a review of Delerium's music. > In Germany there is a company "Magic Music", they deliver ALL CD's you order from them. I repeat: ALL CD's. If there's an album only sold in Japan - they get you a copy. Just try it with this one. The Adress: Magic Music Tontraegervertrieb Postfach 32 64662 Alsbach-Haehnlein Germany Sorry, didn't find a phone number, but you can send a fax: (German int. access code) +6257 63964 | |--> possibly 0049 service-INGE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:05:07 -0400 From: jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us (Jerry Smith) Subject: Trouble finding Sandra and Delerium To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >There is a place called the CD Connection and they're on the net. >Telnet to cdconnection.com. They have an affiliate that carries >many imports, telnet to cdeurope.com. I just ordered a Sandra CD from >CD Europe last week. It's around $20 US with shipping. >-=TRF=- I just ordered Sandras album and her single from CD Connection, it was easy and "virtually" painless. Thanks for the info. Jerry Smith jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us and various other places "Turn out the lights, take a deep breath,....Relax" Mea Culpa Part II Enigma ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 04:02:02 -0700 From: lourd@ix.netcom.com (Lourdes Oakley ) Subject: Trouble finding Sandra and Delerium To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au You wrote: > >>in music stores but I've been unsuccessful. I notice that a lot of >>people on this mailing list has Sandra's CD but where did you get it? >>If anyone knows of any place where I can buy Sandra, Delerium, and >>Enigma CD singles from their first record please tell me. Tell me the >>store name and their phone number. >> Also, can anyone give me a review of Delerium's music. >> > > > In Germany there is a company "Magic Music", they deliver ALL CD's > you order from them. > I repeat: ALL CD's. If there's an album only sold in Japan - they > get you a copy. > > Just try it with this one. > > The Adress: > Magic Music > Tontraegervertrieb > Postfach 32 > 64662 Alsbach-Haehnlein > Germany > > Sorry, didn't find a phone number, but you can send a fax: > (German int. access code) +6257 63964 > | > |--> possibly 0049 > > > service-INGE > >Thanks a lot! I have a few questions before I mail to them. If you can't answer these questions, its okay. Do they sell mint condition CDs? Do they have a refund policy? Are their CD prices reasonable? Could they get me a CD single from the 1990's? How long does it take them to deliver? Are the CDs packaged safely so that they won't get destroyed while being shipped? Sorry for all the questions but they will help me when ordering. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 15:05:01 +0000 From: antje.kuechler@mb2.tu-chemnitz.de (Inge) Subject: Trouble finding Sandra and Delerium To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au >Thanks a lot! I have a few questions before I mail to them. If you >can't answer these questions, its okay. >Do they sell mint condition CDs? It likely depends on your demanded CD. That's a question Inge can't answer correctly. >Do they have a refund policy? No. > Are their CD prices reasonable? Their advertising slogan: "We deliver any CD you want at the lowest price we can make possible." ... that's true: Recent CD's (for example Sandra's "Fading Shades") usually cost in Germany between 34.95 DM and 38.95 DM. If you order from Magic Music, you pay 29.99 DM. (CD's in Germany are more expensive than in the USA, aren't they?) >Could they get me a CD single from the 1990's? If there is a store anywhere in the world where your CD single can be found: Yes. > How long does it take them to deliver? A CD that tops the charts at present: mmmmmmhhh ... overseas ... well ... I'd think ... 2-3 weeks. A rare CD only to be found in Siberia: 4...5...6 weeks. > Are the CDs packaged safely so that they won't get destroyed while being shipped? Well, if the ship sinks ... water resistent the packages are NOT. (was a joke) The packages are as save as possible. My experience: A few months ago I ordered Aretha Franklin's "Amazing Grace" - it wasn't to be found in any german record store. Now I own a "manufactured in the USA"-copy, without scratches or something like that. I've waited 5 weeks for delivery. I hope this information will help you with your decision whether to order or not. INGE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 1995 18:04:45 +1000 (EST) From: Enigmatic Subject: Various News To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au G'day all. Various news: 1. Deep Forest's "Boheme" was released just over a week ago in Australia and debuted at #8. 2. These postings from Olga are out of my control at the moment as I can not track down the original poster. I have passed it onto the system administrators here who will hopefully search & destroy!!! 3. Please remember what to do when unsubscribing! If in doubt, mail to Majordomo@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au and make the body of the message say nothing more than "help"! Regards, Gavin Stok (Enigma Mailing List President) *********************************************** ** Email: gps@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au ** ** WWW: http://yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au/~gps ** *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jul 95 00:41:00 +0200 From: craig.austin@digitec.co.za (CRAIG AUSTIN) Subject: Welcome to enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Greetings and Well Met to everyone! I was exploring the net the other night, searching all the music archives on a hunch that Sandra has released a new album (unfortunately here in South Africa we receive many titles several months after their releases over there) and next thing I find an entire WWW base dedicated to Sandra. So after really being impressed, I had to join the mailing list as well. So here are my details :- Name? Craig Austin Age? 23 What is in your Enigma/Sandra collection? MCMXC AD Cross of Changes Eyes of the Truth (single) The Long Play Mirrors 10 on 1: The Singles Into A Secret Land Paintings in Yellow Close to Seven 18 Greatest Sandra Hits (Fading Shades - on order) 10 on 1 : The Singles (video) Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are? Heard them both first on the radio. When I first heard Enigma, I was captivated first time, and when the DJ mentioned that it was done by Michael Cretu, with Sandra being the Voice of Enigma, I was beside myself with amazement. I just love Sandra and her music and voice is so mystically beautiful, I cannot help but fall in love with her. I'm not crazy am I? ;-) Other artists you like? I also enjoy many other artist, particularly Enya, Loreena McKennit, Peter Gabriel, Alphaville, Ice House and various techno groups as well. In fact anything with rhythmic melancholy pop. What course or job you're doing (if any)? I am a computer programmer working for an international company called Andersen Consulting. Any other interesting information you wish to share:- As previously mentioned, here in South Africa we don't get the releases straight away and even when they are released overseas, we still never know about it until they just get released here on the shelves. Some of the more popular artists are usually advertised about a week before. This mailing list will definitely solve that problem for me. I seem to have a sixth sense as far as Sandra releases go :-> , I predicted Enigma 2 and the last two Sandra albums about 2 months before they were(are) released so I'm pretty chuffed with myself. I always get these hunches that it is about time Michael Cretu released a new album. ;-) Hope to hear lots more from all of you! Regards Craig I know a place where the moon shines bright, It's called La Vista de Luna Sandra --- * QMPro 1.0 12-3456 * The stars, like dust, encircle me - Isaac Asimov ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:27:42 -0400 From: JPS3700@AOL.COM Subject: Welcome to enigma To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I am new to the mailing list and this it my "Homework". Hope I get an A :) My name is John Silva I am 21 years old and I live in Las Vegas, NV. My current collection of Enigma CD's is all that have been produced (that I am aware of anyway) MCMXC a.D. MCMXC a.D. The Limited Edition <---- You have no idea how hard that one was. The Cross Of Changes The Cross Of Changes Special Edition Silver Soundtrack Age Of Loneliness (Single) The Eyes Of Truth (Special Edition Single) Mea Culpa Part II Out From The Deep (Single) Return To Innocence (Single) Sadness Part I (Single) I first heard of Enigma in July of 1992, and I was immediatly hooked. Ever since then I have been on a quest to find all the music that Enigma released. I realised that they were not based out of the U.S. so therefore I was sure there was albums or discs that I did not have access to. So I started to check the import section of the local record stores and found all of them eventully. My other music interest are pretty open, you would find that I like pretty much all types of music from rock to pop to classical to C & W, to you name it. I am always looking for new music or something that is different from anything I have heard before. Thats what I think attracted me to Enigma so much was the unique sound of the 1st and second album. Well that about covers myself, if there are any other questions anyone has for me feel free to e-mail me I am always checking my mail and welcome it. I am also looking for a more material that Enigma may have put out that I am not aware of so if there is any please, please, please, please let me know. :) Thanks for listening, and hope to hear from you all. John Silva Las Vegas, NV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jul 1995 23:59:14 -0400 From: jfsmith@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jerry Smith) Subject: Welcome to enigma-digest To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au > >Hi Enigma Fans, > > Here is the info requested via the digest subscription > >* Name: Jerry Smith >* Age: 40 something >* What is in your Enigma collection: > 1) Enigma MCMXC a,D, > 2) The Cross of Change > 3) Out of the Deep > 4) Age of Loneliness > 5) Age of Loneliness (Euro Edition) > 6) The Eyes of Truth > 7) The Eyes of Truth (UK Edition) > 8) Return to Innocence > 9) MTV Party to GO (Sadness is one it) >* Where you first heard Enigma, and how much of a fan you are: > A young lady was dancing to Sadness, and I feel in love with the music > not the young lady. >* Other artists you like: Sandra (of course), I enjoy all forms of music. >* What course or job you're doing (if any) Internet Engineer >* Any other interesting information you wish to share I collect art, Ruth Adler, Steve Hanks, Renee Porter, Jody Boren to name a few. I grow roses, a lot of them. Enjoy good food and great pizzas. I like to cook also. I currently do not have a lady in my life and I am looking for one. > Jerry Smith jfsmith@freenet.columbus.oh.us and various other places "Turn out the lights, take a deep breath,....Relax" Mea Culpa Part II Enigma ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 13:32:21 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: what are they doing now? To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, I'd like to know what Hubert Kemmler, Klaus Hirschburger, Armand Volker, Markus Lohr, Frank Peterson, and all other songwriters with whom Cretu collaborated on the Sandra albums have done further. Also I'd like to know for wich artists Cretu produced or wrote songs. If anyone knows something please let me know it. Robin Wessels R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 02:39:11 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: what are they doing now? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Robin, > I'd like to know what Hubert Kemmler, Klaus Hirschburger, Armand Volker, > Markus Lohr, Frank Peterson, and all other songwriters with whom Cretu > collaborated on the Sandra albums have done further. Klaus Hirschburger worked with Cretu and Gad on Angel's 1993 album Welcome To The Soul Asylum, as a writer. Armand Volker has produced Maggie Reilly's two albums. Reilly is rather interesting in this respect, because her songs are written by the same people who have written songs for Sandra, ie. Kemmler, Hirschburger and also Cretu. Furthermore, she's on Virgin Germany and her songs are published on Mambo. Her second album, from a couple of years back, was called Midnight Sun, and the title track here is the same as Hubert KaH's song from their Sound Of My Heart. You'll also recognise the musicians playing with her as people who have been playing on Cretu-produced albums. Frank Peterson and his Gregorian and Sarah Brightman involvements have been commented on already. I don't know about Markus Lohr. And let me add Richard Palmer-James, does anybody know what he's doing? He wrote the lyrics for Cretu's 1985 album The Invisible Man, which featured 'Samurai', as well as the standalone single Gambit. I also think he was involved in Moti Special's Motivation album (1985). But after this he seems to have disappeared. > Also I'd like to know for wich artists Cretu produced or wrote songs. Apart from the above mentions you have his collaborative projects like Cretu And Thiers and Cornelius And Cretu. He also co-produced a song on Mike Oldfield's Islands album - 'The Time Has Come'. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jul 95 10:52:51 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: what are they doing now? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au I'd like to thank Joar and others, for sending information about Maggie Reilly and Gregorian, I'll go to some recordshops soon, and look if I can get something. Robin Wessels R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl P.S. Does anyone know if there are fanclubs for Sandra, Cretu or Enigma ? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 01:58:19 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: what are they doing now? To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Robin, > P.S. Does anyone know if there are fanclubs for Sandra, Cretu or Enigma ? There was at least one for Sandra, but I don't think it operates any more. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 95 10:44:36 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Won't run away - released in Germany To: enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi, I've been in Germany on last Wednesday and they had the new single "Won't run away" in a shop, so I bought it. The track listing is as follows : 1. Radio edit (140 bpm) 4:12 2. The sunshine mix (140 bpm) 7:24 3. Happy dancer mix (128 bpm) 4:57 4. Extended guitar mix (140 bpm) 6:26 The cat # of the cdmaxi is : Virgin 8 93038 2 DINSD 147 The mixes are all dance/techno mixes like also on the "Nights in white satin" and Enigma singles. Robin Wessels R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 13:42:08 +0200 From: joarg@hsr.no Subject: Won't run away - released in Germany To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi Robin, > The track listing is as follows : > > 1. Radio edit > (140 bpm) 4:12 > 2. The sunshine mix > (140 bpm) 7:24 > 3. Happy dancer mix > (128 bpm) 4:57 > 4. Extended guitar mix > (140 bpm) 6:26 > > The cat # of the cdmaxi is : Virgin 8 93038 2 DINSD 147 > > The mixes are all dance/techno mixes like also on the "Nights in > white satin" and Enigma singles. Could you give some more details about the release, for instance who's behind the new mixes, what's the cover like, etc.? For Norway's part, this single is only out in a promo release which features only the Radio Edit. A regular release looks doubtful, or at least uncertain at the moment, as the single hasn't been doing too well. Joar -- Joar Grimstvedt ------- Stavanger College Computer Science Stud. | 2 | Stavanger - N o r w a y Email: joarg@gribb.hsr.no ------- http://www.hsr.no/~joarg/ Sandra.html Co-owner of the Enigma mailing list Enigma.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 95 10:53:19 CST From: "Robin Wessels" Subject: Won't run away - released in Germany To: Enigma@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Hi all, >Hi Robin, > >> [Won't run away tracklisting deleted] > >Could you give some more details about the release, for instance >who's behind the new mixes, what's the cover like, etc.? As far as I can remember all remixes are done by Jens Gad, maybe together with Michael Cretu. All mixes are dance/techno remixes like also on the Nights in white satin cdmaxi and the Enigma cdmaxi's. I certainly don't like that kind of mixes, so I don't know what more to say about them. About the cover : I don't know if the picture is somewhere in the booklet from Fading Shades, I have to look for it at home, so I'll say more about that Monday. >For Norway's part, this single is only out in a promo release which >features only the Radio Edit. A regular release looks doubtful, or at >least uncertain at the moment, as the single hasn't been doing too well. I think that now it's been released in Germany, the rest of Europe will folow soon. Robin Wessels R.Wessels@Student.UTwente.Nl PS Sometimes it can take a few days before I answer something someone asked me because I'm only emailing at Monday and Thursday mornings. (I don't have a computer of my own, but I can make use of the computers at the university, and now it's holiday I'm not going there everyday) ------------------------------ End of Enigma Digest ******************************